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I am not even a Barca fan, if you were a regular visitor here, you would know that. Always jumping hastily into conclusion. Typical Nigerian. Now run off to your thread, if you even have any.

Kholiwe:
Typical Barca fan. All rant but nothing upstairs but okey dokey.

It's ok, no too boil. All ronaldo fan boys are projectors and predictors. Coulda, woulda and shoulda. . You literally use projections where it doesn't necessarily apply. Don't you get tired of creating unrealistic scenarios in your head? But anyway i would like to end this discussion. It's gone stale, perhaps we can go back to talking about issues that conform to the purpose of this group.

Kholiwe:
I repeat Messi has enjoyed playing with better players all through his career than Ronaldo. Add in that factor. Put Ronaldo in that Barca side and he will shatter all football record.

Oh really, Ronaldo has been playing with farmers, en? Shame no dey catch you.

Kholiwe:
Bollocks. Messi has enjoyed playing with better players all through his career than Ronaldo. Add in that factor. Put Ronaldo in that Barca side and he will shatter all football record.

Oh my oh my, what kind of bullshit stat is this? Very disingenuous. Earlier you put forward a stat that considered 476 and 438 games for Messi and Ronaldo repsectively, but now you carefully selected 101 games to create a semblance of a higher number of assists. .You no go take laugh kill me. Let me help you out. In the number of games mentioned above they had 176 and 119 assists respectively. I'll let you do the ratio yourself. . Wetin pain me pass be say you no get shame to post that stat.Ah. . You no try at all. Sorry for going through all the trouble of carefully selecting that stat.

schurley:
Here you go boss

UCL

Ronaldo

Games 101
Goals 105
Assists. 27


Messi

Games. 92
Goals. 83
Assists. 20

Anything more

Yes, your head dey there. . Ronaldo has a slightly better goal to game ratio. Now, look at the assists. Don't ignore it.

schurley:
Ronaldo
Overall goals: 450 goals, 438 games,
Games - Goals ratio: 1.02

Messi
Overall goals: 472 goals, 477 games,
Games - Goals ratio: 0.98

What eles?

Be specific man. Goal to game or Goal to minutes played. Also please if you want to talk about goal to anything, it should be for the entire period they competed in the same league.

schurley:
Prove it, Ronaldo had more best goal ratio for the time spent in the Laliga, that should tell you something. bring out their stats.

men, i'll take distorted version of Rohr's name any day. . Indeed rubbish.

elyte89:
Aw far smartsmith0709 ,what's d latest abt ROHRbish


Has he been fired?

Saying he's better cos he's two years younger by itself is not a sound argument. If it's a projection, as in cos he's two years younger he would have topped Ronaldo in most statistical categories at the same age. But well it may never happen. His decline could be slow, and so ensures the prediction would come true.

Karleb:
The instance was not meant for Messi alone. I included Ronaldo.

Bottom line is, Messi benefited a lot for joining Barcelona the same way Ronaldo benefited from joining Manchester united.

Saying Messi is better because he's two years younger than Ronaldo while not factoring in the the age they started first team football and the clubs they started with is not a valid line of argument.

A Messi minion might enjoy that but it's not valid.

Yes i know, but it's not a reasonable one. I mean there are a lot of variables you are not considering. You are assuming if Messi was playing for Athletico, he would be the only thing that changes. Maybe Simeone won't be their coach. Maybe we never see Godin in an Athletico shirt. Maybe we never see Griezmann in an Athletico shirt and so on and so forth. You see you need to consider as many variables as possible. And if you do, the thought of it would tire you.

Karleb:
Oga, it's an hypothetical case. Giving an instance. It's common in arguments unless you don't argue much.

True. But you don't have to start arguing along the same lines. But well if you had opined that as a way to tell them their argument is bullshit, then that's fair game, I can accept that.

randomperson:
But people use it as a point against Messi. That he had it easy because he started at Barca.

They forget that Messi started at Barca because he was already good at 13. So it was not by sheer luck he made it to Barca at that age, so why criticize him for that?

You have the mind to tell me to discredit such a wack analogy? . Arguably, the greatest ruler of all time was Napolean cos he conquered several lands, so the greatest footballer of all time must be Ronaldo, cos he hopped from one team to another. Wow. Friend, i know your line of reasoning regarding this subject, I would rather not continue with this. If he was playing in Argentina, i would probably agree with you, in that case, he has to move somewhere more competitive. But this guy plays for a team in a league that's been adjudged the best for the better part of a decade, but you insist he must move.
I am going to say this again, please think deeply about any argument before dumping it on my lap. I usually do my due diligence. Please how far has Ronaldo ever gotten at the world cup? Still, i don't hold that against him. I mean if Higuain had made the most of the chances he had in the 2010 world cup final, we could be talking about something else, perhaps you would be finding another excuse. . But well he never did. Fate happens to us all.

This GOAT debate will never be resolved fully, only that one person will have a majority of the GOAT vote, most probably less than 50% self. Pele won 3 world cups, but many will argue he never played in the most competitive league, which doesn't necessarily mean it wasn't the best. Some could say he played in Brazil most of his life.

On your governor/king argument. The last time i checked the reign of kings is long past. Their power pales in comparison to that of the governors. You don't have to look too far for evidence. It's right there in that country called Nigeria. . Unless you are queen Elizabeth and a few other monarchs, you don't want to be a king/queen today. You want to be a governor, the president.

odizeey:
Discredit the analogy with points.

You can't be king of football from Spain.

The kings all meet in the world cup, with different tools, to fight but Messi ghosts.

Kings sojourn, to test waters but Messi stays put.

A king is different from a governor ( greats like Scholes, Pirlo, Xavi, who are governors of midfield ).

A king test waters. Messi is a governor.

Permit me to say this, what kind of bullshit argument is this? . Coulda, woulda.Ah.

Karleb:
For argument purposes, do you believe (or agree) that Messi (or Ronaldo) would win a Ballon d'or if he played for Athletico Madrid for 4 years at his prime?

I am a Messi fan too, but this argument has a very weak foundation. It doesn't really matter when you started making waves. In the end it's your career against mine. I mean i could be struggling through my formative years, then just explode. So the 13-year-old argument doesn't hold water.

randomperson:
Is it Messi's fault that Ronaldo was not good enough to make it onto a big team at 13 years old.

That's how you know who's the best, one has been making waves since 13, the other had to wait for a few more years

This is my problem. You are using analogies that do not quite fit. Honestly, what has land conquering or empire expansion got to do with the greatness of a footballer?. They are as far away from each other as possible. I am a little disappointed you don't see this analogy has too many faulty lines. I can't help but assume you just don't like the guy, so there's always the tendency to find any moot excuse to discredit that man. It's ok. It's ok.

odizeey:
You can do better sha.

The point is that you can't compare someone who has been in on place to someone who has been in multiple places, overcoming the challenges.

He try. But only kings. Do that stuff. In the old days kings conquer lands. They don't sit one place. Na wetyn make David go sleep with person wife be that.

You know, i am just trying not to insult this man cos he's elderly. . The man dey vex me gan.

Edopesin:
Rohr...

"We have a young team, it was a shock the other day after the injury of Victor Osimhen, everybody was afraid [and] today, they wanted to fight for him, they did it, they [fought] very well.

“And I think this draw now still keeps us top of the table we have to play another two games now, its Benin and Lesotho and normally, it’s not official but we are very close now to qualification so also the result of Benin who made a draw against Lesotho all the games are difficult they’re are no little opponents everybody is well organised.”

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"We have a young team" is our new slogan

Sound foreign coach? That one na lotto ooo. . Where you wan find am? Hence the need to put our house in order.

chucs:
Everything about Africa is abnormal. The match today was horrible to say the least, from the pitch to the visuals and commentary. Same substandard pitch and visuals was noticed in the earlier fixture played in Benin. By the way, why can't we watch the national team on the national TV? Corruption everywhere.

As for Rohr, we all know that he is not technically sound but we are not matured enough to have an indigenous coach, in my opinion. Federal character will be the order of the day if that should happen. We have all seen it in the past.

I will suggest we go for a sound foreign coach. Unfortunately, those in the glass house would prefer a grade Z coach as usual for reasons best known to them.

I no dey curse you dey laugh. I just can't do without those, cos it's quite funny say you dey think that way. Na confirm i dey tell you. I no know why you go think say person wey no dey move around no fit be undisputed GOAT. I mean why not? Why would you assume that sitting for one place somehow is a dent in his case for GOAT? Talk something else abeg.
And i no mind to chop beating from elders.

odizeey:
No dey curse me dey laugh. I no go laugh with you.

You go chop beating.

Messi is just one of those good attackers.

But you get weird mentality my friend. What does that even mean? Comfort zone? Let me tell you something, some of us still appreciate loyalty, ok. . I definitely understand your angle. Typical Nigerian. Make i dey move from one place to another like Ashawo. . But i agree with your Argentina argument though. He should have done better.

odizeey:
All his mates claiming GOAT have done things outside their comfort zone. Let him do also. At least, for Argentina.

Oh sorry, i actually meant undisputed best Player. . Na matter for naother place dey my mind wey i take enter here.

odizeey:
Who is talking about coach? If you want to talk about Ferguson, go check his records. Ferguson left Arbideen and came to united where there was war.
Mourinho left Porto and came to Chelsea where there was war.
Pep left Barca to Bayern and Man City.

Careful man. Careful. The bolded is complete bullshit. . Who says i cannot be the undisputed coach where i am at? Which school of thought is that?

odizeey:
Since we've been arguing GOAT did anyone bring up these names? How many ballon d'Or do they have combined?

Wo. I don't have time. Pele said he's GOAT, people have called Maradona GOAT, CR7 called himself GOAT, Messi carried a goat to do a photoshoot, but you are bringing people who did not claim or were slated as GOAT.


The issue here is, as an undisputed champion you have to go where the fight is. Dare.
You can stay one place if you are not the undisputed champion.

At the end of the day we'll just sneak Messi in as one of the best attackers

The fact that C Ronaldo is a Man Utd legend does not mean you have to shit over the achievements of a contemporary. This is kind of too much.

LostMyZeal:
They're stats ofcourse

Fraudulent stats accrued all through his stay at Barcelona while he was busy faking his retirements and making empty promises upandan

The strange thing is....Your Messi is only just a Barca Legend

And even if he ends up winning the World cup...it will never mean shii to me...FIFA actually wish they gifted him the World cup ...but the world is watching

But I wanna ask you just one question

Do you think Messi is a fraudulent hypocrite?

Answer honestly

You blame Aina for being outdone in air duels by a taller player? Wonders shall never end. . You can't help but defer the blame to the players. Continue. . Are you still mentioning matches we played over a year ago? Rohr is clueless, just admit it.

smartsmith0907:
On aina I wasn't too happy with him today...firstly these sierra Leone players are tall and very strong they took advantage of aina's height and aina did well offensively but defensively was nothing to write home about.
Partially rohr was at fault coz he should have been more vocal when we were still leading 4-3 and implore the team to defend more but the fact sometimes coaches are given red cards and told to leave the pitch had it been we have such situation won't this players makes same mistakes..this players lack discipline and feelings for the national team there is no bit of patriotism sir I remember during your days there is patriotism in the team.these player plays with their last breath...thats why the likes of yak,KANU,odegbami did expectionally well in the international scenes and lastly sir there is no sprit of leadership in the team.musa and ekong are bad leaders am speaking here not as an insider but as a pundit ekong should be able to call the team to other which he failed today. Way forward is there is need to a leader in the team I mean a vocal leader.am not happy tonight despite everything done to make Nigeria happy the result was very poor. The truth there is no crime in falling down but the main crime is in staying no be this rohr played well against Cameroon,south Africa ,Brazil et al like that.

Why you dey insist to dey drop useless statements, back to back. . Of all matches na this kain match you go praise Okoye for keeping cleansheet, na this kain match you go blame aina? But this thing funny sha. Apere wey don train for decent pitches all in life concede 4 goals for ok pitch kon refuse to concede for bad pitch. Wonders shall never end. . You know say you be my friend. But you no get shame i swear. . We should try to be insightful in our analysis? You weak seriously.

smartsmith0907:
many of the fans here are funny
Drop okoye ...he kept a clean sheet today
Start aina rohr obeyed yet nah rubbish aina played
Drop musa ....yet musa didnt even flop today he was one of our top performer...y'all want rohr to be sacked coz of drawing two games who does that
Let's try to be a little bit insightful in our analysis abegiii.

Man, just put yourself for corner with your tail between your legs. You still get liver they remind us say Rohr get UEFA coaching batch, like say na Nobel prize. You mean you still get mind dey defend some clueless average coach. By the way no be Nigerian money dem dey take pay am. Why this useless tactic of reminding people they are professional coaches? If you have been employed to do a job, do it well, or accept all criticisms. Typical Nigeria mentality, always resorting to the professional coach argument. Ah.

smartsmith0907:
Rubbish and absolutely rubbish ....many of ya here open mouth and say trash...what do you know about football Many of them can't even coach team on PS4 for their stupid mind the mind they wise pass rohr with UEFA coaching batch.

I will take the bad pitch argument, which i believe is grossly exaggerated. Rohr should have seen it and found a way set up his team for a win. Oh sorry, i forgot, Rohr has absolutely no idea how to set up on this kind of pitches. But don't give me that physical bullshit. . Na now you know say Sub-sahara African countries dey play physical?

smartsmith0907:
How am i a fraud
I predicted an early goal in the last match we scored 3 goals within 15 minutes then I wasn't a fraud that was the tactics and strategy we layed out ...unfortunately it didnt work out as a result of bad pitch and the physical player of the sierra Leone.not sign of technicality from them...all is just about jam body

How i go judge this match, en?

Are you serious?

busky007:
Rohr has tactically changed the game . we are massively pressing. The Leones are making a lot of mistakes

Abet no make we start Chelsea vs Man Utd argument here. Fernandez dey play every position? Besides you dey talk like we don enter the second half of the season. At this poimt one win fit take you 5/6 places up. Na so so gra gra last season wey Sports prefect Ole still finish 3rd ahead of Lampard. Abi you don get gpod players now. Your people self dey talk say Havertz better pass Bruno. .No worry, we go talk again at the end of the season. You know where to find me and i know where to find you.

Edopesin:
My guy just give lampard this Ole squad and see if he will be in 15th position on the table Fernandes is the only one helping Ole keep his job

God help us.

Danielnino00:
Lemme go down to Africa.

Algeria - free flowing pass and counter attacks from the wings

Madagascar- Park the bus and counter attack

Cameroon- jam body and attack from the wing

Morocco- Short,crisp passing style with creativity from the midfield

Senegal- Physical, quick and direct attacking football..

please,what is Rohr's style?

Why you no add lampard for the list? . You be Englishman ni? You mean the same Ole against which Lampard dey look for draw.

Edopesin:
There's no difference between Rohr, Ole and Southgate, they all depend on individual brilliance and it has a way of saving their asses

So my people i come start to dey dig ooo. . I come dey think se na ill-luck ni abi Rohr is just cluelessness, not that i have not always known this. . I don tell una. What was the criteria for selecting this coach? The man had literally achieved nothing in African football, prior to his employment. Under him Gabon failed to qualify for Afcon, losing to Togo. O sorry i forgot, NFF is a crime family of some highly connected and incompetent people. . Oh i been don forget, the people that decide who and who get to work for NFF are highly incompetent and corrupt. . In the end it all leads back to the wicked and unrepentant oppressors at the top. . I mean i look at this guy at the bench, i just say ah, look at this man, like say him one cry, but yet can not take any action. . Have you noticed he never issues orders unless the camera is fixated on him? The last time this man had some success was in 1996 when he too Bordeaux to the Uefa Cup finals. Not only has he been unsuccessful for a long time, but he's also literally not done anything with the African teams he has previously managed. Yet NFF deemed him qualified. NFF literally does not care. Just help our locals get training. I mean how this one go take correct person now. . Ah Etebo, i say play more centrally, If Etebo no understand him go come toucchline ni? When play still dey go? Yobo na one confirm otu assistant too. . You no fit go touchline talk sense ni. Eh Ajayi, "your papa, you no fit watch the guy wey dey your front ni, your wife get belle ni, abi dem swear for you ni"? . Me don talk am at this point. Send our former players for training and put them in charge of everything. If they fail they fail. Nonsense. Ah.
Man utd dey vex me. Wetin dey do this second-hand german coach too, en? Ah

Oh Enyeama. I miss that man. He go don craze for the people wey dey back, na you go dey call coach make him change you self. .

Man, no make i vex you. . In that scenario who should be in the best position to judge where the ball is gonna land?

Karlovich:
for the second goal it looked like Ajayi was going to head the ball but he missed it so it. Ajayi was the one at fault for it. It agree with everything else you said about Okoye. Also the rest of the outfield players need to step up as well. In the second half once Balogun left it looked like we had zero leadership in the team.