₦airaland Forum

Checkmate!!! the ruling class have finally backed everybody into a tight corner and this the end result. this is what happens when people are made to feel that their votes dont count. if my vote dont count and the judicial/police system is not in my favor, what other recourse do i have? now a group of people, namely MEND, who in a normal society would have depended on their votes to get their message accross are using another means to send their message. what makes it worse is that the coming generation are not being groomed properly with the right mentality to take over the future reigns of the country.

shinystar:
Preliminary investigations by SSS revealed that some suspects arrested over the blast sent text messages to Dokpesi. The terse, [b]coded message, SSS sources disclosed, simply said, "the deed is done. What about our balance?"[/b]SSS officials said Dokpesi will be confronted with evidence against him tomorrow to which he is expected to react.

It was also gathered there were exchanged calls and SMS between the suspects and some high-placed Nigerians, which will be made available in the course of the interrogation.

Someone in the Babangida's camp, British intelligence services, revealed was sighted in South Africa last week where Henry Okah, the leader of MEND resides before his eventual arrest.

To set him up I can as well get his number send the above text, call the SSS and sit back. It amazes me that all of a sudden our authorities investigative skills have quadrupled ten fold overnight.

faithin9ja:
@bidemi12 in my previous posts I have suggested we start at the local grassroots. Every local taxpayer deserves to know what his or her local government chairman is doing with their local tax money. Most if us on nairaland don't even know who our local government chairman is?

Market women, okada riders, petty traders, these guys pay all sort of levies to local government everyday, they have a right to gather themselves, march to the LG head office and put forward their demands. The demands should be for simple achievable things like fix pot holes on a local road, clear the rubbish from a market, set up clinic for okada riders that have accidents. Believe me the levies these LG's collect is heavily misused whilst we all have our eyes on Abuja.

Honestly dropping bombs in Abuja is not going to bring 24 hour light or fix Lagos - Benin expressway, somebody will die, maybe even a head of State and another thief will take over, 'an eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind.

Are you serious? You are talking as if your vote counts in Nigeria. What is the weapon the American citizen has over govt? his vote. The govt knows if they do not do right by them they will definitely be voted out in the next elections. If the local taxpayer in Nigeria demands to know how his taxes are being used and he is rebuffed what will happen? Absolutely nothing. the police authorities are ineffective, votes don’t count. what other means do you realistically foresee will force govt to sit up and listen? When the british were oppressing the Americans before their independence the Americans did not carry placards or depend on votes because they had none, just like us now. Do you know how they became free? With brute force. A lot of lives were lost and even when they got their freedom they still had to fight again to get it right. It took a few men to take up the initiative for all this to happen. I am not saying mend is fighting for Nigeria but the ideology has been planted that maybe brute force is what we need. Think about it, if you were a known looter would you feel confident flaunting your wealth whey you know that you might be taken out by a bomb one day or a sniper. I doubt it.

faithin9ja:
@bidemi12 Freedom is worth dying for but the current crop of groups in Nigeria, none of them are freedom fighters, we are all just cheap 'rent-a-crowd' participants, and to make matters worse we don't even know who is renting us, currently it's MEND, Boko Haram, IBB camp, GEJ camp, Atiku camp, etc

Sorry most placard carrying Nigerians in any riot, carrying green leaves, call any of them aside and offer them money - they will stop the riot and follow you. it's only a question of how much , not any ideology, not any freedom fight, we as a people we are not conditioned for that, even the people in Jos accepted money to start their riots.

Forget violence, there are better ways to effect change in Nigeria

So where do we start from? In order to attain freedom from this oppression, i mean.

faithin9ja:
Where are all those nairalanders advocating violence? all them who were applauding the bomb attack on 1st of Oct - Respectable posters were saying don't condone violence as we don't know the agenda of those perpetrating this violence, you guys started throwing around swear words and calling rational people cowards.

You are quiet now.

I said in a earlier - post you will die for nothing - cap28 decided to try on lecture me on the Chinese Cultural Revolution and the murderous regime of Mao TesTung, which by the way took China backward, it was Deng in 1988 that boosted China

MEND, Boko Haram, GEJ, IBB and other person or group is not worth dying for

Do you agree freedom is worth dying for?

@ZIGA,

listen woman. why would you not be afraid of a revolution? anything that would disturb your daily beer-parlour hoping must be discouraged abi? like avalani said we shall band together and force you to face reality. beer will not solve your problems. facing the truth will. and dont worry about being a coward, you can overcome it with time. i could give you a few pointers on facing your fears and overcoming it. i have the t-shirt to prove it.

what a joke. authorities that cant even catch a local burglar. wuru wuru to the answer, as usual.

oyb:
you have missed it big time. the something they are doing is along thelines of what was done by the ruf, charles taylor in liberia, and the lra in uganda

in fact, just as the ruf traded in blood diamonds, mend trades in bunkered oil

they are an ill wind the bode no one any good, because in the end, they do not stand for anything.

they are just a bunch of aspiring warlords

Okay, lets find out. with the situation on ground, would you trust the igbos if you were yoruba or vice versa. or trust the yoruba and igbo if you were hausa. that is what we have come to my friend. we need to to break away as a federation for sanity to be restored. so mend, fighting for themsleves is only the begining of the direction we must take as a nation because our leaders are exploiting this federalist ideology for personal gain

ziga:
Mr man,

What is your problem. What is your fascination with me or Nigeria LOL. You need to grow up because i'n not here to score points.

@Other people.

Violence can't solve anything in our current situation, because there is no unity of purpose amongst Nigerians. We all can see the way political issues are turned into religious or tribal issues, and we all fall for it.

MEND is obviously not fighting for Nigeria, so why should true Nigerians support them

This division is our biggest problem, and if the youths don't face that problem and refuse to be fooled by the usual talk of "because he is from this state, or he is too young, etc, he can't be our leader", then violence will result in multiple factions that will have their own selfish agenda which will be used by the same political leaders against themselves.

And it is always amusing that most Nigerians really want the same thing at the end of the day, but they attach useless conditions to the solution e.g he has to be from ND, or from the north or Igbo/Yoruba etc.

These leaders know we dont have one voice, and they know just how to trigger the division between us.

If we don't solve this Nigerian arrogance/ "my own is the best" problem, we aint going nowhere.
It is always funny because war advocates are always the ones who lose their face when action begins.

Who cares if MEND is doing it for Nigeria or themselves? The point is they are doing something. Will you fight for them? It would be nice for all to come together in one voice to fight for the same cause but good luck with that happening. We as human beings are inherently selfish anyway. Left to you come 2020 with the status quo beign the same, we will still be celebrating another 10 years of failure. At what point do you take action? And o yes!! I am fascinated with you. I am always fascinated with retards on NL and Nigeria In general. I am still trying to decipher how people like you exist. It is a scientific project for me now and I must get to the bottom of it. slowpoke

df2006:
^^^^^ i tire o! cholera just took away more than 200 lives and i did n,t see this people condemning the government, who failed to provide common drinking water, lead has killed more than 500 children, their parent had to go digging just to survive, i didn,t see all this commentators talk about it. @faithin9ja you could just die just from driving btw benin and lagos, trying to maneuver your way tru the portholes, so dieing and killings are nothing new to nigerians.
It cannot continue to be so, business as usual, this are just wake up calls, from kidnappers in the east! bokoharam in the north! jos crisis in the middle belt! and mend down south, unemployed youths are taking matters in their hands! it is inevitable that this things will happen, as long as the situation remains the same in the country, so the bomb blast is just a test case, if mend did n,t do it, some other groups will do it, but i know that you are familiar with the phrase that "warri no dey carry last".

GBAM!!!!!!!!

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=523935.msg6865208#msg6865208 date=1286077022]I will never forgive MEND for this.[/quote]Aunty mi, i swear i am not happy for the loss of innocent lives but you are i know that freedom is never gained by chit chat but by blood. if we all continue to blast MEND then it must be for the right reasons. for instance why not place the explosives strategicaly so that it is only government officials that are targeted. why detonate two of the bombs in close proximity to each other and minutes apart. obviously meant to draw in people with the first one and take out more with the second. That i detest. If MEND have to do it then do it right.

justwise:
Has fighting brought peace in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Let me get you right. are you saying Nigerians shouldn't fight because wars do not solve anything? you can use violence to jar people back to reality (like ziga, who is in a perpetual fantasy land), change the ideology of a state (russia, china, cuba) or wrestle your independence (USA). All we need is to identify what we are fighting for. personaly i think part of the reason we are the way we are is because our independence was handed over to us on a platter of gold. If you struggle and sweat for an objective you will value it more. historicaly, the end result of wars is not immediate but reveals itself overtime. Also, think of the Nigerian situation as that of a bully in school. until you stand up to that bully he/she will continue to ride you until forced to see otherwise. even if you stand up to him/her but do not win, that bully will think twice before approaching you in the future. that is why although i abhor the loss of life, i congratulate MEND on their bold venture. Those basterds in government must realize that no place will be safe for them.

ziga:
Congratulations Mr. American.

Then shut up, because you really don't have anything at stake in Nigeria.

You have no love for Nigeria, you seem to be really bitter that you had to go fight for another country to become accepted there. And the smelly things coming from your mouth will not be in the interest of a lot of Nigerians.

Enu dun rofo.

Ode. Adie fun fun ti o mor are re lagba. Go and celebrate and continue celebrating till your doom.

ziga:
Mr Ediot.

My opinions are mine, and i don't understand why you should take it personally. Useless terrorist.

You are advocating violence from behind your computer screen. I'm sure the closest you have been to a weapon is when you are playing on your playstation. Atoole osi. You better go cry to your mama and stop with your whining.

I was waiting for that. My guy, I have fought in two wars. In afghanistan and Iraq. I fought in it because it was worth it for me and my family. It guaranteed my children and wife’s future. Educationaly, financialy and healthwise. Even if I had died, their future would still have been guaranteed. It was worth risking my life for. What guarantee is there that things would change if I fought and died for Nigeria? I have been to places and done things you can only close your eyes, cross your fingers and wish for. when i see the change in the mentality of nigerians and the willingness to fight i will do same. Not before. for now, with people like you in it, it is not worth it.slowpoke

ziga:
You are a complete ignoramus for calling me out. the fact that i don't speak doesn't mean i have nothing to say. A lot of people have said exactly what i would have said already.

You were against celebrating our independence, so i believe you are happy about the bomb attack.

A lot of people here have said.it. the problem with Nigeria is us. Everybody can point fingers but like someone just posted. 90% of the people accusing will go into government and do no better than even Abacha. Most Nigerians are arrogant and un-accommodating. Why can't we "live and let live" That same arrogance is displayed in everything that comes out of Mr. Bidemi's mouth.

So, please keep my name out of your mouth. Shiorrrrr.

Useless fool, when you will never face facts. Do you see what happens when fools like you ignore core issues? it comes back to bite you in the arse like I earlier said. People are angry and morons like you are celebrating. Fool.

rhymz:
Caps
I see U re schooling most these kids on the imperatives of taking a bold step for change. The American society is a perfect example of the point the likes of U and I are making. . . Until the African Americans decided to take their own destiny into their hands especially after the Rosa Park incidence that awakened every black American to their plight. . . Even where we had Marthin Luther God king, there was Malcom X who represented the combative aspect of the struggle. . . Today, the younger generation are ripping the benefits of such a bold step to freedom, it is even argued that Abraham Lincoln was forced into glory giving the circumstances that led to the abolition of slavery. . .all these did not come through wishful thinking and talking just intelligently- action and violence brought these victories-if Nigerians realy want a change, they will have to change the way we demand for our rights from these rogues. Unfortunately, not everyone we live to see this change, some innocent lives will be lost in the process that is a guanrateed fact, the best that can be done is to reduce it to a bearest minimum but it is inevitable.
The way I see the action of the MEND is from a survivor viewpoint, a very strong message has been passed to the rogues, unfortunately, there is no casualty-free method for passing it across, in an ideal world may be but in reality, I am thinking but you were warned to stay away. Cruel may be but in comparison to what these rogues are making us do, it is fair game.

Do you know why Nigeria will remain the way it is? Because Nigerians are cowards. And selfish, I might add. Fight ko fight ni…everybody is too scared for his or her life.

faithin9ja:
@Cap28 if Nigeria did not have oil, today we would be a fractioned none-nation like Somalia & Afghanistan. We are together because the powers that be and (don't kid yourself the king makers in Nigeria cut across all ethnic groups), these powers need Nigeria to be one.

the Abuja bombing is a warning to IBB, etc not to mess with GEJ.

But we as Nigerians ( I mean 90% of individual Nigerians) will do as bad as Abacha, IBB, OBJ, Ibori, Odili if we ever get to power. I pointed out the behaviour of so-called Militants because I know the havoc they wrecked on my business in Warri - are these the people you want to see in power?

My friend you say you would rather chose MEND over our corrupt politicians, My friend there is  NO choice they are one and the same. the govt knows MEND as MEND knows the govt.

Nigerians grow up, who are we fighting for? the corrupt police man, the corrupt immigration officer, the customs man, NEPA staff, lecherous university lecturers, stealing bankers (at every level) - which one of these people will do a better job then the thieves we currently have in power. The average Nigerian prays to either be in power or for his brother to be in power so they too will have their turn-  in other words steal.

what keeps us together? the belief that one day it will be my turn and I will have my share of the National cake ie oil.

So stop romanticising about conspiracy theories and violence being the solution to our problem, if your really what to help get the real masses on the streets, the truck pushers, farmers, fishermen, taxi drivers, primary (notice primary school) teachers, let whoever leads this country give these people jobs, health care and electricity - our people do not ask for much.

By the way I am from Warri, personally have met the boys in the creeks, I know many politicians personally, I have met them sharing money in London - believe me it is simple but not simple.

i scanned and scanned the all the posts so far on this topic, yes all 23 pages, looking for any contribution from two of the most useless contributors on NL, TENSOR77 and ZIGA, on their views of this latest development from nigeria. shame no gree them contribute. This is what happens when people decide to ignore problems in any society. It comes back to bite you in the arse. Those basterds in abuja prefer to celebrate with our billions instead of reflecting on the state of the nation. much as i detest this new development, it will help to jar those basterds back to the reality on ground that all the fanfare will not distract nigerians from the truth. We are becoming a failed state. That the only people interested in the continued unification of the country are either looting the country blind, have business interests in the country or dont just know what the hell is going on. The sooner we face facts and consider the total overhaul of all institutions in Nigeria then war might be a viable and foreseable option in the near future. And dont say it is not possible. The signs are already manifesting.

fracking country. getting worse by the day.

i scanned and scanned the all the posts so far on this topic, yes all 17 pages, looking for any contribution from two of the most useless contributors on NL, TENSOR77 and ZIGA, on their views of this latest development from nigeria. shame no gree them contribute. This is what happens when people decide to ignore problems in any society. It comes back to bite you in the arse. Those basterds in abuja prefer to celebrate with our billions instead of reflecting on the state of the nation. much as i detest this new development, it will help to jar those basterds back to the reality on ground that all the fanfare will not distract nigerians from the truth. We are becoming a failed state. That the only people interested in the continued unification of the country are either looting the country blind, have business interests in the country or dont just know what the hell is going on. The sooner we face facts and consider the total overhaul of all institutions in Nigeria then war might be a viable and foreseable option in the near future. And dont say it is not possible. The signs are already manifesting.

honeric01:
the last time i checked, your profile says "Savannah GA" where in Nigeria is that?


babe, i dey jare, that guy said today again, but not online, waiting for him, can you come on FB? lets talk through FB

What the hell is he talking about? so because i live abroad that makes me less nigerian or that i have lost touch with my roots? think again bro. but l agree you are very nigerian; a typical one for that matter.

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=522722.msg6848836#msg6848836 date=1285838902]abeg this is not the time to trade blame or analyse failures of the system,it's evident that the problem in Aba has gone beyond what the police can handle and a state of emergency is the last resort.I'm talking about constitution demands and not what you feel is wrong or right.[/quote]Okay. For the sake of the children i will agree.

asha 2:
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as a military man you be

Lai lai. My own army no craze reach that level. how you wan take see us for town in the first place. well, maybe if we de go home sha.

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=522722.msg6848752#msg6848752 date=1285838065]What exactly is your point,that deployment of soldiers is not a good option or what ?[/quote]follow the track record in all situations where the government have utilised the army and tell me if this has brought lasting solution to any crisis in Nigeria. where will they start the investigation? you and i know their "investigative" technique involves rounding up everybody and trying to beat the truth out.

honeric01:
I BET YOU, YOU CAN NEVER BE MORE NIGERIAN THAN ME.

I pray i never am. (more than you i mean)

jamace:
You seem to have just paradropped from outer space into Naija. If so, ask the inhabitants about what efforts the police had made and failed in curbing the kidnap issue.

Oh oh. not another one. Nigeria seems to be filled with these one time failed NECO applicants. must i always explain in detail for some people to understand the hidden message? okay i will. the message is; why would the police fail? if not for the stu.pidity of government in not equiping them in the first place. people live in a state and nobody knows how many, who they are and where they come from. no means of tracking anything or anybody. and 2; why must you use the army with no investigative record or means. people who are supposed to defend the borders are now doing the jobs of cops. They are definitely going to round up the good the bad and the ugly not to mention the innocent. phew. I hope you get it now.

tensor777:
Oddly enough I have to say I appreciate your honesty. However we all have to be hopeful and prayerful about Nigeria as being negative never leads one anywhere.
You never know what tomorrow would bring.

Like i said before "e go better" abi tensor?. Nigerians are getting tired of that crap saying. I like you sha, you'd rather go down fighting.

well done. 419er. you hear. i hope no one falls for this crap.

as if this would solve the problem. bet you enough innocent lives will be caught in the crossfire. only in nigeria would we resort to using the army in such fashion without fully utilising the police first. wetin i de talk? we get police? Anyway, my prayers go to the children and their families

Beaf:
@DatNiggaAk
Dude, this is the second time I'll be telling you to keep away from this tribalistic nonsense.
What we have in Aba today, is a social tragedy. The rest of Nigeria is not far behind.

Na wa oh, MEAT don repent oooo. i never thought i would ever see the day that meat would lambast someone else for being tribalistic. proves there is hope for everyone. 

tensor777:
I don't have the time for that. However it's funny how some disgruntled elements here always proclaim Nigeria was a better place when they lived there. That is their real optical illusion, no doubt brought about by constant immersion in negativism and defeatism in the almighty Western media.
That notwithstanding, Nigeria has a great deal to be proud of and I for one congratulate all the leaders who have kept the country united and independent for the past 50 years!

someone please pull out a straight jacket for this guy. obviously going crazy. i keep telling you have lost touch with your roots. your above post proves it further. My guy it is the citizenry holding the nation together. The day the citizens say enough is enough then you will realize it. That is the difference between our mentality and that of countries like the US. the govt here is grateful to the citizenry for their existence while it is the opposite for us. why wouldn't you feel that way anyway? your vote doesn't count. well, does it? slowpoke

dappssee:
[size=20pt]If they want us to believe they are serious, state governments should be solely responsible for payment of all ransoms henceforth[/size]

Is that the solution?

kabukabu:
I 'll give you an opportunity to enumerate all the positives to celebrate, and also while you are at it, compare nigeria in the early 80's to nigeria in 2010.

kabukabu i go advice you not to reason rationaly with tensor ooooo. my guy de london de enjoy and e no no which suffer you de talk about. small time ziga wey i'm sure suffer don make am mental go start miss-yearn too. these guys and a lot of nigerians have no clue about what is happening in the country. they'd rather not face the truth and drown their sorrow with beer and hope by morning things will get better. we have gone from a country with stories of robbery incidents to a country where a school bus filled with children have been kidnapped with a ransom of 20 million naira and these morons are celebrating. kai.