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Roland17:
BIRDMAN BIRDMAN!!!

Sounds more like an emotional choice..and when you mention unselfishness, LBJ is not exactly innocent.

Can Lebron survive in the western conference? i would say maybe with an efficient shooter/ scorer who can averages 25 points a game, anything less than that Lebron would not and his team would suffer.

Lebron can dominate the Eastern conference averaging 24.8 points and 6.4 assists as the best player in the rotation.

The competition in the western conference is not entirely hinged on the quality of the teams that compete but the average points winning teams make, teams in the western conference win games scoring over 105-115 points, this is not exactly the case in the Eastern conference, the bulk of overtime in the NBA is registered in the western conference.

Yeah, there is probably an emotional component . But that is generally true for most players we like or hate - its a little more than the stats. Still, I think someone with his skillset, who can essentially play point forward and almost triple double on a regular basis will always be in the mix in the west.

Like you said, the west is faster paced and you have to produce 100ish point per night against top teams. But almost every team in the west has side kicks that can produce points. So if LBJ was in the west, I think this would be a non issue. Likewise, If Curry alone went to the east, I believe his production would struggle. The pace is different, and on any eastern team, it would be easier to check him.

Donlittle:
No doubt, lebron team will improve more....... I am not even going to argue against that.... If you put lebron on any team, that team is going to at least the Eastern conference finals if the team is in the east, if he comes to the lakers today, I can put all my money on it that the lakers is not getting pass the first round until the team gets another all star.

The reason why lebron stat will not take a hit is because he plays like a point guard which i do not like. I see him as a ball hog, a stat sheet stuffer. Lebron makes the role players around him look really good, look at dellavadova, james jones, mike miller, and all of those guys... he makes them look really good. When you are talking about Star players on his team, he makes them look really bad. Look at chris bosh, At toronto bosh averaged 22.7 and 24.0 points in his last two years and while he was in miami he averaged 16.6 and 16.2 respectively in lebron last two years.

You want to know what Klay Thompson is averaging right now with the MVP still on his team currently? Dude Averaged 21.7 last year and is averaging 20.9 this season and that is because he has not been shooting the ball well like he did last year. A star is still looking like a star on curry's team because of the way he plays, and guess what? The role players look like good players because he lets them handle the ball, Players like Shawn Livingston, harrison barnes, andre iguodala, barbosa, and even draymond green and co look like star players almost every other day because curry makes them better. It is even unfair to call these players role players anymore because they just look like star players when you watch them play. Lebron does not adjust to other players, everytime people have to defer to him or learn how to play with him. What is Tristan Thompson Averaging? I will wait, What is Kevin Love averaging? I will wait, Heck what is Kyrie Averaging? I will wait.

No matter what kevin love does, he is always going to look like a freaking role player unless lebron finally understands he needs to play like a small forward and not a Point Guard. The guy is not even a great shooter, if he was i will understand what the heck he is doing out of the three points line thinking he is Larry bird.

Lebron is not winning a chip anymore, and i hope he gets to the finals so he can be 2-5 . Just because he keeps taking his team to the Eastern Conference finals does not mean he is the best player on the planet.

LBJ is now a ball hog? The same guy you keep wishing would assert himself and take the last shot? The same guy averaging PG assists. The same guy that gets all the way to the rim, and will then pass for an open 3 instead of taking a floater? Bosh own 2 rings with LBJ's game. An old dwade 2 more. I think they came out just fine.


Second, you cant compare the warriors with the cavs by mentioning klay thompson. The warriors are playing what looks like a princeton offense the Kings used to play when chris webber was at his peak, albeit the warriors have a much better 3pt shooting PG than Bibby was for the kings. So you cant make an individual player comparison. On the Warriors, the center should be in double figures due to the free flowing offense and small ball. On the Cavs, Mozgov for example is a traditional center and will not average more than 10 points. Love will also have to adjust to a more traditional PF role, his points will come down but his rebounds and putbacks should stay the same.

Donlittle:
fam, i didnt even know you were this much of a lebron fan.

one question: The self proclaimed king or The black Mamba and why?

LBJ. Unselfishness, not just in the game, but in the community.

Decale:
People ask this every time forgetting Lebron is in the East. Surely, Lebron sticks to the east knowing he's bound to reach the playoffs every season.

And your number 2 question is not genuine. If I remember, Kevin Love was averaging numbers in monstrosity in a team like Minnesota before plummeting in Cleveland. Even Kyrie's stats didn't take a hit in Cavaliers bad seasons until Lebron came. Same thing could be said for Wade and Bosh. What makes you think Curry's numbers will take a hit when he already has another teammate averaging 20+ppg and another 7+apg. If for anything, Curry's numbers will dynamically increase.

Lemme change the question a bit

Put Lebron in a team like Lakers in the WEST!!! Will he still make playoffs?

Of course he will still make playoffs. If you meant wiill he make it to WCF? Again I would say yes. Would he win the WCF to get to the finals, that is not a sure bet. But this is true of any other team in the league.

You say stars around Lebron are averaging less because of him. But as I remember, Bosh won two rings because of LBJ. If you ask Bosh which he wants 30ppg 10 reb for 4 seasons or 2 rings and 4 finals in 4 seasons, which do you think he will take?

panafrican:
Why not talk about this ? It is happening now.
see what someone did to a whole population

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgQq9FOY3vA

Besides
1. How are people of different accents treated in the United States?
2. How are Black people portrayed in the mainstream media in the "free world"?
3.Why didn't the U.S constitution prohibit slavery in the very beginning ?
4. Who is nourishing chaos in Cote d'Ivoire ( 10-year war, more than 100 000 killed,more than 16 million displaced )
5. Who destroyed Libya ( a whole country blown up, millions of lives shattered )
6. Who gave weapons and military support to ISIS against Syria?
7. Who benefited from the triangular slave trade for centuries ?
8.why are police shooting Black men and women and getting away with it in so-called democratic countries today ?
9. Who were those cross burners hanging Black people in the South in Ameri KKK a?
10.Who was behind the bloody civil war in the Congo in the early 1960's ( more than 1milion dead )
The North Korean regime ?

Stop the lies of them globalist plunderers. North Korea is doing better than many western KKKountries

are you well? you are defending n korea

Roland17:
I blame the main stream media who are still aggressively marketing Lebron as the best player overall in the league, its pretty frustrating especially when we all know Curry is King.

But trust "Father Time" he has never failed.

Which curry? 2 simple questions for yall.

If I place Curry or Lebron on the worst teams in the NBA
1. whose team will improve more?
2. whose individual stats will not take a hit

ehen! so you see why LBJ is king indeed

SIRcumalot:
@birdman
me personally would have preferred if he took a more active role in the sport in Nigeria,but i can't fault him for staying away I know I would too. the guy na correct guy you probably already know the story concerning his sneakers
I was also very surprised when I saw that the raptor's GM na naija guy.

that raptors dude is a g for sure. Amazing story

kliq:
He's talking about security situation as he might have to walk around with bodyguards and all he really didn't make much sense to me,his tone of voice says it all(he is not willing to give back)

Yeah, he has that body language. Unfortunately, he is very willing to help - it just really isnt his strength. Being simple minded can be a good thing, but boy, in Hakeem's case I think it bordered on .

Even when he was playing, he never really exerted any influence. Look at how Kenny the jet Smith, a lesser player on the same team has way more business and social currency in htown. I remember shortly after retiring, Hakeem just disappeared to Saudi for like 2 years lol! I will always appreciate Hakeem being a stand-up character, but lawd, I can only imagine the people, especially Nigerians he could have pulled up while he had the opportunity to.

what do yall think about this vid. I saw it on another nland thread - basically interviewing Hakeem and asking why he hasnt contributed back.

From back in the day when Hakeem was still prominent in Houston (he is spotlight shy and pretty much dissappeared after retiring), I had certain views about Hakeem, especially his interaction with the Nigerian community. I'll keep em for now - I just wonder if anyone else can decode his body language here. Is he making sense?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-X8fnKSCUs#t=124

A40:
They will get to the Finals and suffer another crushing loss

I will live with getting to the finals. Anything can happen there.

With Blatt's rotations, the Bulls had a really good chance beating the Cavs in the ECF - Gasol is playing like in the early days with Lakers and Rose is starting to blow by people again. If Lue has different rotations like I think he will, I like Cavs chances. Yeah, I dont like the fact that they chose Lebron's childhood friend as the coach even tho I like Lue as a player. But if Lue gets out of the east, he will probably live to see another season.


...And anything can happen in the finals.

joephemzyz:
Where is birdman? *mo ti foh e lenu

ahhh, even Gasol wey I drop dey flog me. there is God in everything we are doing

this is more than a mansion

who is foolish enough to act as surety. If Metuh escapes the country, na to cry be dat now

A40:
espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14629892/nba-final-unraveling-david-blatt

LeBron clearly wanted a yes man. Blatt was just way in over his head but he didn't hire himself and I'm sure he wouldn't have taken the job if this circus was part of the package.

Still a bizarre sack. Do not see Lue magically turning the Cavs to Champions

What I deduce from the article aside Blatt's foibles is Lebron's Russia sized ego, clearly he feels he knows better than the coach. If you are going to keep hiring yes men might as well make him coach and cut out the middle man

They have come again oooo. The only people that thought this was a bizzare sack are people that loved seeing LBJ lose to start with. Anyone could see where this season was going - Cavs win the ECF and get flogged in the finals. All these sudden crocodile tears for Blatt when we know folks were waiting to see another finals loss. After that stupid play Blatt drew in game 4 of the finals, I knew this guy was out of his league. And so did the players.

Something Cav/LBJ haters need to know. Blatt is a rookie coach in the NBA. And superstars in the NBA have some input into what happens on the team. Nothing about Blatt's rotations inspired confidence. Deal with it. If you didnt have a problem with it when Kobe's ego was running amok in lala land, you need to hold your nose right now.

Anyhow ima dust off all that haterade now. This team will be in the finals barring injuries. Lue! throway salute!

SIRcumalot:
@birdman
What do you think is the new ceiling for this team ?
Have always stood up for Bron on this thread but this doesn't look good.i know the goal is still the champion let just see how things plays out for awhile

Yeah it doesnt look good. I think its why they canned Blatt now - give Lue a chance to prove this is his job. If not, get an experienced coach off-season. If this team gels, they have the pieces to make the finals and make some noise. But the bench is still suspect and coach is untested and they will probably lose.

Still, I have a little ray of hope based on what I just saw from first two halfs against bulls today. I have seen LBJ passing to Love in the post, and I've seen Mozgov attempt a jumpshot from the top of the key. I know cavs are playing extra hard for the new coach and this new enthusiasm will soon wear off, but i am very intrigued to see how Lue will stack this team up.

i am hoping oil hits $20 a barrel and does not go up for the next 2 years. It is obvious that the changes we need to make will only happen when we are uncomfortable. If the only 2 things that come out of this presidency is diversification and killing corruption, I will take it any day

arresa:
Well said..

Penny wise, pound foolish...

you quoted it before me, but boy, it is worth quoting again!

Is it cheaper to drive on a road free of toll, and spend 5 hours for a 1 (one) hour journey? If you calculate the fuel burnt in 5 hours of standstill traffic and the stress, you will see that the toll free is not free.

Donlittle:
I am tired of this David blatt does not know his X and O, or is not that assertive or does not have technical intelligence.

This guy is a basketball god in Isreal... The 2nd best league in the world.

It is just tough, and i think it will be tough for any first year coach in the league to manage the Ego of a self proclaimed king. Rumor also has it that this same guy called Lebron did not buy into Spoelstra coaching method in miami, But thank goodness Eric was Pat Riley boy, if not, the guy would have been fired because of some queen who throws tantrum at any given opportunities. Lebron thinks he is the coach, and i saw this happening since they lost the championship. I am surprised they did not fire him before the season started. Its tough to coach when your best player does not buy into what you are trying to do. eff lebron man.... I can not wait for him to go (2-5) in his ring chase so we can all put a stop to him being the greatest to ever do it. The guy could not even hold the torch of being the best player for 5 freaking straight years. He is a freaking queen.

It does not matter what anyone says, what Tyrone lue does, that team is not winning a damn ring.

Did you just compare Israel to the NBA? And you skipped over spain, argentina, germany even greece. Ok, I will leave that one to you .

Why is it that when the Cavs, who are on top in the east play well coached western teams they lose badly. Yet lesser teams play those well coached teams and the game is close. Here is the truth: Blatt cant coach the NBA. He knows his X's and O's but the speed of the game and physicality of the NBA always confuses foreign players and coaches. The games cavs won, it was mainly a Lebron one man show. And that always gets exposed against good coaches.

If you give Blatt another 3-4 years, I am sure he will become a good coach, just like Gasol and Nowitzki became good players. but who has 4 years?

Tyron Lue reminds me of Avery Johnson. Both were PGs that had to rely more on IQ to make up for their height/strength. Avery coached a crappy mavs team to beat the spurs in the west - I am excited to see if Lue has the same kind of insight.

SIRcumalot:
am wary of critizing coaching effort because their influence is sometimes hard to notice some like SVG,D'antoni or thibodeau you can see their style of play.
I have to agree with some of the folks on this thread CAVS May have to move love or stagger his minutes so he plays mostly against 2nd units,if things don't change.

looks like coach blatt is out! Seems someone at head office agrees. The way the warriors won that game, it was all coaching imo.

They consistently fastbreak you so your defense is never set, and will relinquish the offensive rebound in favor of getting back on defense and setting up. which is why they kept scoring easily, and on every play, and the cavs had to manufacture shots. To me this is fundamentally a coaching problem.

I now really understand what mark jackson was saying about Curry and fundamentals. All those flash, off balance 3s curry keeps making deceives a casual watcher into thinking the Warrior are flashy, up tempo team. This team is coached as well as the spurs are. Lets see in tyron lue can do anything to this team in the next 3 months

computer science - you can take IT certifications in parallel. Even if you did IT, you still need to produce your CCNA etc. With comp sci, you can do ccna etc if you need to. Moving from comp sci to IT is easy (anyone can move to IT). Moving in the other direction is hard

SIRcumalot:
All this recent Cavs failing just makes me appreciate the work Bosh did during the 'big 3' era.
Cleveland has played the GSW twice, the spurs once and lost those games. This cavs team isn't on that level.

The heat have a different culture. You could not half-ass a game with Pat Riley as the GM watching you. And yes, Bosh did things that made that team go.

Ultimately though , its on the coach. He appears to be clueless about NBA defense. Maybe he could hire Thiboudeau or something. Also, his offensive sets are anemic - Kyrie is scoring on isolation plays. ditto for Lebron and KLove - I rarely see them score easy buckets. I'd toss this season down the trash can, fire the coach and start new next season lol

Roland17:
The energy from the young roaster can be contagious, we desperately need perimeter shooting but hey i think Coach Stevens is doing a great job with talents at his disposal, considering the are very young and inexperienced, i feel like we have got the defensive intensity to compete especially from players like Crowder, Smart and Thomas but the offense needs a lot of tweaking and a potent perimeter shooting would improve our offense.

Great win tonight.

I have been impressed by the celtics energy every time I watch them play - back-to-back-to-back-to-back steals against pacers was mindboggling.. Still though, is this a playoff team this year? As in can go deep in the playoffs. It looks like it may be all for nought

Skywalker5:
Who? Curry for who? i dey down ooo

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your whole team

Killrhymz:
What do u expect?kyrie is back lebron is balling

in other news, pgs for sale!!! pgs for sale!!!

femzyz...o reject mi! e pain me o . anyhow lemme see how skywalker's new high powered offense does this week...

subscribing. I am genuinely curious as to what your gripe is

Abeg leave kliq alone lol. In other Laker news, Kobe tells team mate to stop playing like a light skinned dude

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jordan-clarkson-kobe-bryant-light-skinned-dude_568a7e0fe4b06fa68882c947

Its ok to judge. While you are judging, keep the following in mind

Matthew 7:2 - in the same way you judge others, you will be judged. and the standard you use in judging shall be used for you.

James 3:1 - not all of you should aspire to be teachers, knowing we will be judged more strictly.

Based on the above, I think a wise man/woman keeps their mouth shut more often than not. And if you will be honest, most of the time your "judgement" isnt edifying anyone. Its just stirring strife and dissension. Even Paul knew when to live and let live - phil 1:15 - "it is true that some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry...but what does it matter? the important thing is that christ is preached". And Jesus chose a day to confront money changers even though he must have been seeing them all along.

Truth be told, behind a lot of so called judgements is pride

Donlittle:
I do not think dwight is interested in playing basketball anymore. I do not know why houston was crazy about him though, he was already average in LA. Him and Harden is just a bad combo, one is lazy on offense, one is lazy on defense, but they still do not compliment each other. I wonder if dwight will still be in the league playing well in 4-5 years

He landed in LA against his will. So it looked like he just wanted out. And it is hard to ignore his physical size and agility at center . Dude ought to be a stronger version of Hakeem by now. DH will always find a team to take him - the possibilities of a center that big, strong and fast is too tantalizing to pass up.

kliq:
Lakers 3 straight wins

ehen?

IyaIode:
Those of you that killed this thread, i hope yall are happy now.

why would anyone want to kill this thread . it appears i am not on nairaland enough these days, and must be missing some happenings.