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MuttleyLaff:
Why it is only the last question you are willing and ready to answer I dont understand why. How clever of you, to do that.

Because I have no intention on arguing all day. Even when verses are laid out before you, you still choose to not believe what is in front of you.

Stay stubborn and be professorial all you want - on the day you need it, the information is there. My part is done. Be blessed!

MuttleyLaff:
Verses, like John 3:8, John 4:24 and Romans 8:26, promptly flashed through my mind when about to respond to you.

The Spirit is free, it is like a wind, we dont see it, we cant touch it but we can sense it, we can hear it. It moves, one minute it is quiet and still, next minute, it can be howling and noisily slammimg doors shut

God is a Spirit, we pray in the spirit to associate oneself with what is happening or about to happen in the Spirit realm, with what is hapening in the Spirit's world, as in God's great/​grand scheme of things. When we pray in the spirit, we literally are positioning our "satellite dish or antenna" for good and maximum signal strength to get sharp pictures and/or clear broadcasts from God as pray in tune or in accordance with His "Thy will be done" and not our will

Without tuning in, (i.e. without praying in the spirit) distortions, bad reception, ugly feedbacks, clashing stations etcetera will be the end product, and we end up praying out of tune. So, by the way Jude 1:20 has nothing to do speaking in tongues but means what it says out of the tin. It means to literally, pray in the Holy Spirit, as in, like, to pray in line with the Spirit, similar to that ''thy will be done and not my will" Jesus' prayer and not to be praying in some uninteligible and inarticulate language
Do you know what a ''thy will be done and not my will" Jesus' prayer is?

birdman, you are in a gathering comprising of like minded people with Igbo, Yoruba, Fulani, Hausa, Edo etcetera backgrounds, who dont speak nor understand each other's unknown languages (i.e. each others Igbo, Yoruba, Fulani, Hausa, Edo language is unknown to the other), the only common language each undersands is English, now when it is time to pray, teach or preach, which language in the absence of interpretation, will you speak, pray, teach or preach in?
What language please?
Also why do you want or need to speak to God in an unknown language you do not understand what your mind is saying?

I will answer the last question. You need tongues because you do not always know how to pray as you ought. There will be situations where you will be confused by the circumstances. By praying in the spirit, you enlist the help of the Holy Spirit to pray accurately, bypassing your fears, anxiety and prejudices.

Who to vote for in this election is an example. Sudden report of a loved one in an emergency ward after an accident is another. Your prejudice or fear can interfere with your faith in either case. To this point, praying about Fulani herdsmen in tongues by Enenche is an excellent choice. The truth is, most of us dpnt really know what is going on. Most of those attackers could very well be someone else.

As you can see, you would be depriving yourself of gifts God has given you for victory. I hope you remember this someday when you need it.

Note I am not in support of those who just blab willy nilly with no interpretation. While it is not always wrong, I suspect it is a sign of immaturity many times.

@ goshen360 muttleylaff

For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.
I Corinthians 14:2 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/1co.14.2.NKJV


No one, including the speaker understands this tongue. But in spirit you are praying secrets beyond your intellect. The tongues in Acts 2 was a sign. But there are diverse tongues as you can see.


But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit,
Jude 1:20 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/jud.1.20.NKJV

When you pray in the spirit, you build up yourself. And finally

Therefore let him who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret. For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful. What is the conclusion then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding. I will sing with the spirit, and I will also sing with the understanding. Otherwise, if you bless with the spirit, how will he who occupies the place of the uninformed say “Amen” at your giving of thanks, since he does not understand what you say? For you indeed give thanks well, but the other is not edified.
I Corinthians 14:13‭-‬17 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/1co.14.13-17.NKJV

Self explanatory

Goshen360:
There is nowhere in scripture u have a man speaking OR PRAYING in tongues that NO MAN OR CONGREGATION can understand. If u have one insident show it to us.... that's my WHOLE POINT FOR STARTING THIS THREAD.....do u understand me now?

read 1 Corinthians again. there are tongues of angels. and tongues that edify but no interpretation. interpretation is not always necessary

lol. goshen360 has come again. but you have some points. speaking in tongues edifies the speaker, but the congregation is clueless. If an unbeliever were to be in the midst of the church, he would be justified in concluding madness. So, in such public settings, such tongues should be with interpretation so everyone is edified, and visitor convinced of Gods power.

What I wrote above is a summary of Paul's doctrinal correction to the Corinthian church. And there lies the issue. If its doctrinal, its a guideline which may not always be applicable. For example, the doctrine of women covering their hair in church, or women not speaking in church are other doctrinal points not applicable today.

Praying in emergency situations, even in corporate setting is a possible exception in my opinion. I think the issue is to be balanced and not get to the point where start saying good morning in tongues! This actually used to be an issue back in the day. It seems to be making a comeback in songs though. It is annoying to hear recorded songs being mixed with tongues. This is NOT edifying to me the hearer!!

Again, I dont see much wrong with Enenche's delivery, but the key has always been balance. But Im not sure Nigerian christianity can handle balance right now

awon enemies...waiting for team lebron to go down. but baba God no gree dem. a40 i see u

aytons haircut tho i guess its a rookie contract but they got good barbers even in phoenix. what an eyesore

i wish we can go back to when 90 pts was a high scoring game. what we are watching right now is not basketball. this is a business decision to grow nba viewership, even if the product sucks.

benji93:
Did Sir Charles just call Dirk the greatest foreign ever on the Half-Report show Team world vs Team USA? Or does he mean greatest non-citizen, given Olajuwon later obtained citizenship?

im not sure barkleys thoughts are that deep. dude just blabs sometimes

Roland17:
Am I the only one who thinks Steve Kerr’s rant looked fake?

i thought the same thing. the reaction was out of proportion to the situation. Even Draymond was like wait, Im supposed to be the one acting up

Blackavast:
Hello Basketball people pls I need your advise
I just started playing basketball I'm 24. Can I still make it to the NBA if I horn my skills or I should forget about it.

one thing that may help you is if you are really good at football aka soccer. The footwork may just give you the edge you need. Bball IQ can be quickly developed depending in what you are exposed to and how hungry you are.

As for shooting, forget am That is likely not going to be your primary strength. Just make sure you do enough drills to make sure your fundamentalslike scoring off the glass are passable

i have never seen a home team so quiet. sixers fans are in adream state rite now, trying to see how this new lineup pans out.

@a40 i thought the same thing! pops is a piece of works, but hes in your corner

Roland17:
You be my own person baba. I always appreciate arguments on this thread because they are civil, respectful and devoid of name calling. I learn a great deal from everyone here.

I work in a tenured environment and while I am not tenured, 3 of my career mentors (1 in the academia and 2 in healthcare) are on tenured contracts and in recent past, this has been one of our discussions.

You sure say you fit run a profitable business like this?

After buying a range rover, purchase Lekki lot and throwing weekend parties, I know profit go still remain

Interesting. Im at the opposite end of being tenured. I stay at a place as long as I feel Im growing technically and the company values my input. Once I sense wahala, I migrate. I have dodged about a dozen plus company wide layoffs this way in 10 years.

I have never really been a money person, but as a side effect of pursuing the next opportunity, I am now making about double what I made a decade ago. The scary part to me is I now realize some of my colleagues were already making that kind of money when I started out. I thought I was doing well then, but I really had no idea.

I feel this is one if the insidious ways even educated minorities fall behind in wealth. For me personally, I realized I was book smart, just not so much when it comes to wealth.

I freely admit I still dont know it all though. Maybe thats why I see Lebrons jumping from team to team in a good way ...never thot of that before

BluntBoy:
Tithe is land based and it is tied to the Promised Land. That is why an increase in yields on the Promised Land is tithed. Only crops and livestock. There was money in those days because there was an option of redeeming tithes, but you couldn't give tithes in money. And to emphasize the essence of tithe being land based, redeeming tithes came with a price.

Tithes was land based and it was tied to the Promised Land which defined God's covenant with Israel.

There is no Jew on this earth who would tithe outside the Promised Land. But you, Christians, who have decided to let others do your Bible readings for you, are at the mercy of wolves in sheep's clothing who pervert the scriptures for pecuniary gains.

Thanks for stating your position succinctly. You make an interesting point on tithes not being in money primarily. I will check that out.

On the promised land, remember that Israel is a type. Every believer is in the promised land, by virtue of the great and precious promises which give divine life...see 2 Peter 1. Based on this and Abrams example, the overriding principle is to tithe what you acknowledge divine power has giving you materially. The tithe is specifically tied to material things. Wether it be land produce or its equivalent, which is money.

On Jews and tithing, many would be surprised at how they view money and wealth. While they are not a perfect example, hints can be useful.

A40:
LeNomad is not some sort of social crusader like you're trying to paint here. If not for the Davis scenario he no for chook mouth for Harrison Barnes matter and we both know this

No doubt, Lebron is not a choir boy. Even social crusaders often have selfish interests. I am sure that is the case to some extent with Lebron. Such is the nature of change though...we lionize such people decades later, but everyone has flaws.

The reason I compared to Ali is that in his time, Ali was considered a dumb tool, even by some NOI members. Today more people know him than the founder of NOI. Still, flawed as he was, in the middle of the hype, there was some good change.

donlittle25:
Birdman, your man isn't chasing the ghost from Chicago again?

He say na icing on the cake

. one of LBJ's flaws is he talks too much.

As I am about to receive machine gun fire from Roland17. Wey my own contract biko

A40:
Lol Ali loun loun. That's a huge stretch bro! There's nothing Aliesque about what he is doing.

The Pelicans would only lose if AD gets hurt. If he's healthy the offer would still stand either from the Lakers or other teams willing to take that punt. Remember AD has no say on where he gets traded to regardless, he can only opt to not extend with them.

Taking shorter term deals is the only way to circumvent these scenarios which KD and LeNomad showed in his second stint with the Cavs but how many players can afford to take that gamble? Remember the teams also bear the cost if the player ends up a dud. Luol Deng, Chandler Parsons, Otto Porter, Evan Turner, Hayward, Jabari, Lavine, Barnes, Kanter. the league is flush with terrible deals and unlike the NFL these monies are fully guaranteed so the narrative that the players are victims or being held under duress or painting it like a hostage situation is a bit misplaced IMO

I definitely dont like those situations where players get a big payday then refuse to show up on the court. But I think we still need to be fair to all parties involved. There will always be cheats and lazy workers. You cant get rid of this risk wether its mcdonalds or the nba.

Speaking of which, on your list, im not sure I can fault Kanter. They shut him down even though he wanted to play.

BluntBoy:
You don't even know what tithe means.

Tithe is a tenth of an increase , not of your original produce or earnings.

If you make 2000 naira this month and 2,000 naira next month, you are not mandated to tithe because there was no increase on which to tithe a tenth.

Lol. so it must be 3000 the next month do you can tithe off the 1000 increase. Its ok. I wont bag on you anymore. I pray we all get grow in understanding.

Goshen360:
And the rest of war goods returned to the owners....the war Lord not keeping anything for himself..... practice that kind of war goods tithing and let's see how u survive with the rest of your upkeep to household in few months.

Wrong. Abram shared the 90% rest of the spoils with his allies. And he gave the king of Sodom his people back.

Roland17:
Your analogy should shoot you in your face. Have you ever heard of tenured contract jobs? If you have ever signed a tenured contract job, you must stay until the end of your contract. There are severe penalties if your choose to leave your tenured contract before it expires no matter the offer from competitors.

Priced assets are tenured, once you sign, you understand the implications but you also know you are respected and deemed an important piece for being tenured. The health sector and academia in the US have many tenured jobs.

Stop making excuses, there is a reason why it is called a contract bro. Stick to the rules of the contract and respect especially when there is no clause supporting a breach.

Its a negotiated contract. You know that the job you have right now is a contract right? There are employment laws on the books put bounds on how you can be fired. Even in right to work states. And there are rules that state how that contract can be modified.
Everything done so far is within the law of the contract! You understand that right?

Before you respond, I need you and every one else on this thread yo realize it. Your job is a negotiated contract. You make less than ballers maybe. But the principle is the same. Hate Lebron if you want, but get your pen and papet and take notes. This is how you succeed in life.


You too can be an owner. Stop bring afraid!

A40:
I'm not sure they care. They made their moves purely out of spite and pettiness, I actually put the blame squarely on Rich Paul who was not so 'Clutch' with his laughable lack of tact and diplomacy and failed attempt at trying to strongarm his client out of NOLA. Even LeNomad did not pull this stunt with 18 months left to run on his deal

What made him think he and Anthony Davis held the aces I will never know

Im not sure Rich Paul is that tactless. I think anything that involves LA or NYC will have a media buzz so strong it will overwhelm any shred of truth. We dont really know how AD presented his case. Or what Lebron said exactly. But the Pelicans front office will be the biggest losers in all this. I would have expected this to temper their reaction.

There are many things that Lebron does that he gets flak for rightfully. On this one, Im with LBJ. To the extent you can use your status to better yourself, do so. This is an Ali moment...a decade from now, folks will realize it

BluntBoy:
You didn't know what tithe was. If you did, you wouldn't have mentioned salaries as a reference point. We all know that salaries mostly always remained fixed over a period of time and yet people are compelled to tithe out of their regular salaries.

You said tithe was not always land based and you are saying this so confidently because of Abraham who tithed out of the spoils of war.

You people need to make up your minds. Do you tithe like Abraham or as people under the law? You can't say both because tithing like Abraham is totally different from tithing under the law.

Abraham tithed out of war booties and not out of an increase in his produce and/or livestock. So, you should know I wasn't talking about Abraham when I said tithe was land based.

So, please, answer my question. Do you know why tithe was land based?

sigh. ok. you think salaries are not titheable. instead of going back and forth, tell us why. Im not interested in back and forths and gotchas. Tithe is not land based. If you believe otherwise state your case. I stated mine.

Like I said. Raps are for real. I know this is an older marc gasol. But boy oh boy...

I feel like Pelicans goofed just like AD. Now you reactivate him, but the damage is done. From jump, they should have wooed him. You dont like the play Lebron made? Make your own play! Instead of getting mad at the game.

Roland17:
At some point the owners are going to fight back, I keep saying it. They choose to stay quiet while the players have continued to blackmail them on social media and other avenues. The next collective bargaining meeting is going to be a difficult one I can assure you guys. This has gone too far.

Its like getting a job, and they offer you 100k salary. But you are sharp...you checked glassdoor. You checked levels.fyi. So you insist on 115k. The company comes back and pays you 110k.

The company is not mad at you. They make millions off your thousands. Your extra 5k is a drop in the bucket. In fact, your boss respects you more.

This is what negotiation is like. The players have nothing to be afraid of. Kudos to Lebron leading the way. And younger playets like Durant, etc following suit. While many of these guys are enemies on the court, you are increasingly seeing them forge partnerships, even friendships off the court.

This feels like the current data science job market. The guy with a stanford phd and industry exposure is naming their salary right now. Why not the best ballers in the world?

Dont let all these owners bamboozle you with storied histories lol. At the end of the day, they look out for their own money. Players aint slavess either. Get some! No fear !

BluntBoy:
You are merely repeating me rather than refuting me.

Anyway, do you know why tithe was land based?

i see. but you said i didnt know what tithe was. ok.

tithe was not always land based. in some cases, it was war goods.

Goshen360:
First of all let me tell you this, I am I grown man and fear (negative) no one. If I said I don't even want to quote you is because sometimes I have lots of time to respond in details and in that case I'll quote you and respond well and another time when I read you or someone if it doesn't make perfect sense I just write short NOT BECAUSE YOU GAVE REBUTTAL SO GOOD.

Again, what you doing is YOU LACING THE TRUTH WITH A BIT OF LIE AND HERESY HERE AND THERE and your lies and heresy that's what I point out that's why I don't quote everything you say on the other hand. Otherwise I'll quote you paragraph by paragraph and respond. Hence, I keep saying you confusing yourself and also some readers.

Now we agree THAT TITHING IS A WAY OR FORM OF GIVING....(the truth aspect we agree on one hand) BUT nowhere in the NEW TESTAMENT does it specify ANY PERCENTAGE attached your our giving..... doing such in d New testament amount to legalistic giving or legalism......(this is where u LACING lies with truth that I don't agree because no such in the new testament)

Give whatever you want to give in the new testament and stop calling it tithe because again, anything you give is always a certain percentage of your income.

Also, you people want to go back and pick just Abram tithe in the old testament like a cafeteria Christians that pick and choose what you like, slavery and other rituals too existed before the law and WAS STILL CARRIED INTO THE LAW....DO CHRISTIANS DO ALL OF THAT TODAY TOO? The Bible is clear how Abraham is the father of THEM THAT ARE GENTILES AND OF THE FAITH.

Lastly, as per me criticizing men of God and have issues in my life....the same way I'm not a perfect man n have never claimed to be, your pastors too are not perfect but they want to show themselves as holier than the rest and when they err, we correct and same goes to me when I err, someone kick my behind and I take full responsibility for my actions.

Because Abram was before the law. But lets use your favorite apostle

Check out Paul's second letter to the Corinthians. He expected them to give wholeheartedly to the ministry. And he expected it to be much! He said other churches were giving generously, and they ought to partake themselves. Paul said they should keep the offerings for him until he arrived. And he said he was expecting a good offering! That is your apostle of grace o.

Sacrificial giving ought not be a problem for those under grace. Like I wrote to bluntboy, if you consistently feel the need to fudge issues so you can give less, mammon has a foothold!

BluntBoy:
You don't even know what tithe means.

Tithe is a tenth of an increase , not of your original produce or earnings.

If you make 2000 naira this month and 2,000 naira next month, you are not mandated to tithe because there was no increase on which to tithe a tenth.

If you used 10,000 to do business, and you make 12000, your increase is 2k. If next month you use another 10,000 and make 2,500, your increase for that month is 2500.

If you put in 10,000 in month 1 only, and make 2000 each month after, your increase in 2000 each month.

If you dont want to give, dont. Nobody is forcing you. But dont deceive yourself. If the money is that important to you that you cant let go, you have mammon issues. Deal with it

Tithing is giving. It is giving 10%. Why are you even arguing this.

Dignity in labour is works, is it not?

In the new covenant, even lusting after a woman in your heart is already adultery according to Jesus. Is that not going further? Yes it is.

The reason you didnt quote me is because I refuted your stance with solid scriptures. And you didnt want me coming back again. But here I am.

Before you go around deciding what man of God is right and which isnt, take some humility lessons yourself. Physician, take your own medicine.

You see, what you haven't realized is that people who spend their time criticizing others usual have their own flaws hidden in plain sight. Tend to the log in your eye brother.

Knowledge puffs up, Love builds up. Major on the latter!

I would stay with the Raps if Im Kawhi. Getting superstars is one thing. You need strong role players and a deep bench. This requires a savvy GM. I dont see any other team in the east that ticks these boxes. Philly loaded up with Harris, but their bench is so so. Celts could be in the convo, but...

Goshen360:
Now, everything you said are okay and correct until you applied it to Tithe AS SOWING AND REAPING. Tithe IS NOT SPECIFICALLY TAUGHT AS A WAY OF SOWING AND REAPING and that's what you're doing by bringing Tithe into sowing and reaping.

Also, where does scripture says tithe IS A COVENANT we entered by grace? Or rather, explain yourself on the last paragraph.

Try this:
Dont go to work for the next week, Let grace pay your bills.
Dont study for your next exam. Let grace help you pass.
Dont plant any crop. Let grace provide a harvest.

Is it not obvious that to reap a good grade, you must sow time in study? Did the food you ate today appeared without sowing and reaping?

The intent of the tithe is revealed in Genesis 14, by Melchizedek after Abram defeated 5 kings. Note, he meets Abram AFTER the battle and Abram gives a tenth of the spoils.

After this pattern, when you, or the Isrealites win because of the power of God, either on your job (salary), or your harvest(sheep), you bring a tenth to acknowledge the power that blessed you. For Jesus is a priest after the order of Melchizedek.

Abel did it, as did Abram before the law. The new covenant, being better than that of the law does not remove acts of praise and thankfulness. If anything, we are to walk in it much more!

You can go to heaven without tithe because the righteousness needed is settled in Jesus. YES! But as Paul said, in a great house, there are many kinds of vessels. For me, I do not give because of threats. I give because the covenant I am under is far better! How can those under the law outgive those under grace!

shouldnt good news like this be on the front page?

A40:
Ohh no no no no. The Pels are not obliged to do anything on AD's clock. He still has 18months on his deal and he and his agent have to be put in their place. They started the petty wars with the announcement and I don't begrudge the Pelicans for fighting the only way they know how

AD went about this wrong. In this kind of business, never show your hands until you have to. Magic needs to learn that lesson too.