We may well not know without an investigation but one thing is clear, his sudden wealth is without doubt linked to theft of Lagos state's money amongst other heists and corrupt practices around SW.

A most Disgusting politician.

RiceProducers:
Oga, first of all every herdsmen was once a ranch owner.

We won't stop drumming this Ecology 101 course.
Wars, climate change and inter communal clashes force people to move. People like to move with their property unless you are an Ijaw man.

We are saying because you have some hard luck where you are coming from does not permit you to ruin me financially by destroying my crops and assaulting my wife which is abominable and unpardonable.

The FG and all state governors are saying the solution is to separate herders and farmers. One SINGLE solution agreed to already.

The problem is now to interpret that solution to mean you as a state governor can institute an apartheid kind of law that would make a white SA farmer envious in its sheer unfairness.

The alternative is having zones that will be used by ranchers and also admit itinerant herders. The states will issue CofO to ranchers and passing permits to herdsmen. Itinerant Fulanis can be anti social and downright expansionist so having the states regulate passage and balance out the settlements and flows should protect vulnerable ethnicities.

What we will see gradually is that pastoralists will gradually improve along their own paths as well as ranchers. Some may opt to settle and some ranchers may embrace the cheap costs of moving with the cattle. Pastoralists are breeding for their better quality meat. Ranchers are in it for meat and milk.

First paragraph is conjecture, unless you break it down.

Just like Covid forced people and organisations to restructure is the same way, others would have to adapt. The logic that a significant portion of a region be engaged in a specific sector is dangerous. There's a need for diversification of their skills else they'll all lose their economic base should a calamity hit such industry in this case the struggle for land for grazing and farming.

Security is important for us to grow to a developed country, half patches would see this thread on 5000 pages and still discussing lost personnel, loses and victories instead of regaling in peace and tranquility.

Don't patronise me about nomadic cattle been best, I have eaten Argentine beef, Angus and our meat doesn't even come close nor do we have a great pedigree in dairy production.

Our Nigerian pygmy goats are a darling around the world (check YouTube), yet it is little explored.
There are multiple case studies on the failures of ranches in Nigeria (Tsetse fy, in breeding, etc) why can't we study it rather than asking states submit land for ranches if they don't want to.

Not every herder currently with cattle should continue. They can transit to other roles/jobs with government support/training and those who persevere should be given subsidies and improve livestock farming to a better state than the current form we have.

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RiceProducers:


The cattle zones idea that I just mentioned is a more modern approach.
It is hybrid ranching and grazing.

Who told you Ranching is a modern practice?. That's another Nigerian lie told by we the 'superior' southerners.

There was ranching mentioned in the Bible. That was 3000 years before Christ.
Jacob worked his ass off in a ranch just to raise dowry to marry.
You guys just mouth these bullshit and lies everywhere about ranching being modern. Lori iro

And this nonsense about spoon feeding.
Who is being spoon fed?.
There are more than five CBN / World Bank supported programmes targeting crop farmers and their value chains. There is ZERO for livestock farmers.

Spoonfeeding?

The country is just shameless. Upon all the N600bn a CBN assistance, it is a struggle for crop farmers to improve their land productivity. Nigerian is producing all crops worse than every other country in earth but it is herdsmen that is your problem.

Very soon the UN is going to get involved. Wasting land, cutting vegetation senselessky because you can't apply modern processes to you lr crop farming.
Did I also mention that as much as 70% of CBN provided seedlings, fertilizers, herbicides and insecticides are sold illegally by crop farmers?
So upon all the spoonfeeding by governments our farmers are also thieves.

We need to inflict the truth on people in this country. It is a country of liars.

In one sentence, ranching and grazing is 'more modern', in other paragraph, it suddenly isn't.
Stick to a side...

Due to space constraints and other issues, many developed and developing Nations adopted best practices for livestock. Ranching isn't perfect but it is continually evolving to overcome challenges. Your diatribes and your skirting over the issues (of average farmers like my Uncle) is probably a pointer to the kind of apathy of those in power. Food security is highly important!

That failures have been recorded in the past doesn't mean we should scrap all efforts to solve or adapt better solutions suited to our problems. Many articles on failures and advancements on ranches in Nigeria. Prior to 'Tomato Jos', tomato yields in the North were dire but now it is reaching record yields with a factory on the way?

Imposing a system that does not sit well with other demographics is only going to lead to resentment. Pity some here are interested in shiny new weapons, fancy gears et al without wholesome pictures of fighting battles that could be better avoided.

Whyem15:




There are certain plants your uncle can plant around his farm cattles react very badly to, in some cases it causes permanent growth retardation. This will prevent any incursion into his farm.

Pointers to this would be good and valuable. Cheers

RiceProducers:


Actually cows are wandering about Ondo State as we speak.

I passed four sets cattle grazers along Dangote Refinery road at Ibeju Lekki, Lagos last week.

I am waiting to see the first six sets of successful arrest, trial and jailing of herdsmen in this country.
You will explain when Nigeria became S. Africa of the 60s.

We are railing everyday against state laws that appear to be unconstitutional like Sharia, banning alcohol or ethnically or vocational targeted laws and people think it is right to arrest herders that are not trespassing peoples farms.

You will tell me why street traders are roaming free and people violating town planning laws have not been arrested.

States should sit down and agree with FG areas to use as cattle zones within each state where people can establish ranches cheaply because of shared services that will make it cheap. Those cattle zones not 'grazing' zones should permit a controlled number of grazers.

The state will own the cattle zones and issue c of o only to the ranchers. Grazers will operate only with permits.

Ranching is expensive and the land take could also drive away crop farmers. The cheapest way to do it is via shared services of water, foliage, silage, veterinarian and the all-important transportation costs.

Herders on transit does not mean they would not trespass someone's farm or allotment when out of sight.

My Uncle's farm in Kabba lies fallow because of nomadic grazing or is he a second class citizen where cows and man gazumps his land but he cannot respond or chaos ensues.

That I used to allow an entity access to my well doesn't mean they become entitled to demand water or break my wall when I decide to fence it off for my own reasons. That grazing routes were allowed in the past doesn't mean it could continue forever. Our population is outstripping available spaces with land prices creeping up year on year.

High time the Northerners get with the time and embrace or start transiting to more modern forms of livestock rearing. That we have to spoon feed them via that process isn't a must. Same country gave us all equal opportunities to learn, become knowledgeable amongst others but their failure to embrace modern life should not be a burden for us all to endure.

Whyem15:



I do not know much about the NASCO issue and as such wouldn't want to say anything on it except to ask why there wasn't a conviction in 2005 when the case was first taken to court and why the owner's name was eventually removed from the US and UN sponsors of terrorism list.

My issue is the Nigerian state's intransigence to take over or curtail instances like these before it escalates.

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna8421366

On the other article going viral by David H (Cornflakes for Jihad), apparently it is somewhat open knowledge among Northern hierarchy.
However, there is a 'Not a rejoinder' to issues raised in the article here if anybody is interested.

https://ak61.medium.com/on-david-hundeyins-cornflakes-for-jihad-9d0918b44b9f

Whyem15:


Individuals and groups across the country have done this, it is only easier to use religion as a tool in Northern Nigeria, often times the end game is economical and at other times it is political and until the government is much stronger, there isn't much that can be done.
A good example is the man Government Epemupolo popularly known as Tompolo, he has been declared water by the state but the state can't really go after him even though they know where he is. There are many such people and entity across the country. The day human and organ trafficking rings get exposed in this country, many important people will be indicted yet nothing will be done, the state already knows those involved from interrogating criminals caught but there isn't much that can be done.


Another important example is the Panama papers that indicted very important people including Dangote, Saraki and David Mark, today they walk free. Mind you, another document similar to the Panama papers was released today.

The government knows those who sponsored terrorism, but going after them will be quite difficult, I believe this is part of the reason the current government is yet to release the names of the sponsors, many of those people are capable of severe damages.

No denying there aren't underlying issues in other parts of Nigeria with ideological issues binding them. E.g I believe cultism is a simmering issue that could threaten the fabric of society and state if not curtailed and actors, sponsors, jailed before their cancer spreads.

That the North is mentioned often is just down to current dynamics and the level of funding deployed to shut down threats to almost no avail.

The NASCO revelation for example, should have been exposed and adequate actions taken.

From the clusterfuck we're in, can it be postulated that core northern states and some parts of their population willingly or unwillingly have been engaged in acts in parallel with the Nigerian state and constitution under guise of religion.

Where do we go from here or stop this in its tracks?

IPOB is a terrorist group and I think any entity wanting to work with them should be mindful of the heinous acts they perpetrate.

Maiming, murdering citizens and security officials is the hallmark of evil and I shudder to think what occurs if they mistakenly rule even a small portion of Nigeria.

Y'all want a fence so that Gen. Buhari can get more worried about his cousins in Niger?

On a serious note, we need some sort of border control. Trawl through Twitter every week and you'll form a mental picture of supposedly vast unmonitored border crossings between Nigeria and countries bordering us. Its actually worse than the media reports and solutions are needed ASAP.

Apart from the stupid proposed rail line to Niger Republic, is it also possible for citizens to crowdfund infrastructure projects?

Drefaithful:


The following are the combat corps in Nigerian Army
1. Infantry
2. Armour
3. Artillery
4. Engineer
5. Signal

All the aforementioned corps be it officer or soldier, they are war lords, Engineer corps are more involved in deep battle.
Sometimes at the front, when jungle matures, the engineer will provide a temporary bridge, in order to maneuver the enemy or when the enemy has cut off the bridge.

Please erase the erroneous misconception that engineer are limited to workshop.

We've seen the odd bits of engineers building pontoon bridges, roads and all but they're seemingly underutilised in key areas.

By now, there should be a template for bases/FOBs to enable soldiers 'live, fight and move' in hostile environments.

As much as those MRAPS and offensive pieces often bought, we see very little instances of engineering hardware bought or ever considered.

ugo4u:

I think it's provision of resources to work with that is usually the challenge, they have solid engineers in the army. Infact engineering (Mechanical/Building/Civil/Construction) is one of the strength of the Nigerian army, I've seen some of their officers present excellent technical papers at NSE meetings but what's the use if you don't have the requisite support to implement your plan. Those officers/men manning those FOBs with poor defences that are being overrun don't want to die na if they have the means I believe they will setup a proper perimeter some still use digger/shovels to dig trenches in some FOBs.

They seem to have not adapted in supporting an insurgency where troops are required to move into a new location and a secure base built to deter incursions and so.

They need to shift priorities from just in house projects to actively support the troops on ground.

All these talks of FOB and Bases all the time...

Do the Army Engineers exist or they're just confined to desk roles only?

Whyem15:
Some pages from the publication with the profiles of some fo the bandit groups.

Insights like this are needed on this thread before we have fantasies of military expeditions abroad.

Seems we have a massive demographic problem than we all knew. What are the odds of these groups also responsible for the genocide/insecurity in NC or their willingness to cause further issues for all in Nigeria.

I think the issue is some states are more proactive than others in collecting VAT but get equal opportunities when sharing.

However, we need to also eliminate issues of multiple taxation, apart from VAT which includes stupid levies, agberos, etc.

DSS (GESTAPO) would soon go visit or kidnap him.

Tyrannical Government.

bidexiii:
“Bandits” with brand new Polymer magazines for PKM ?
Unless we control our borders well, weapon's and terrorist will continue to infiltrate in and our against bandits/terrorist will be an endless war !

The guy behind these photographs is https://twitter.com/jh_barnett

Seems he's on ground and with lots of reports on NW banditry issue.

Covert1:


One word for this position: shortsightedness

Whatever happened to the dictum: prevention is better than cure". I'll add why take the medicine after death. You might want to re-read ur statement a little bit more slowly again because the question to that would be so we should be the ones going to die for them in their civil war when we could prevent it in the first place. What a tragedy that would be.

Conde did himself but so too ECOWAS which should now pay the price but a smarter way.

Don't get the fascination to put out a smoulder in Guinea when we still have full blown fires raging all over our home turf.

I hope some of us here don't just read just this thread and gaze at military photos but rather read wide too; economy, finance, debt repayment, restructuring and other issues of Nigeria.

Hypothetically, we take out the junta with already inadequate hardware, overstretched battle weary personnel and funds we have little of.

Might seem farfetched, but let ECOWAS spell out to leaders that any attempt to lift term controls should be highly discouraged, threats of expulsion from the body and possible sanctions.

ECOWAS stabilised Ivory Coast but Outtara played the field, when tomorrow doo doo hits the ceiling, Nigeria and the others would have to step in to their childish squabbles again right?


We can agree to disagree.

Covert1:


I beg to disagree with the term "grandstanding" in the event of a military intervention in Guinea to restore constitutional democracy. We've been here before in our history. I don't know how old you are but some of us bore the brunt of military misrule in Nigeria. And whilst none of us wants to leave pressing matters at home to go fight any foreign war at this point in time the circumstances are just too dangerous to look away. It is in our national interest and security to do something immediately about Guinea, Mali and speed up the political calendar in Chad. It is irresponsibility and criminality for someone to usurp power just because he holds the gun whatever the sins of who is in power. Just look at the diatribe of this so called special forces soldiers in power now in Mali and Guinea anything different from coupists in the past. They get there and make a mess. If we do nothing it will come home to roost.

Here below is a fine article on the matter. The contents are not mine. But I largely agree with his submissions on the recent Guinea coup.

https://punchng.com/guinea-buhari-should-arrest-malady-doumbouya/

Lifting a quote from twitter...

'Where was ECOWAS chair when Alpha Conde was amending their constitution to favour him for a third term? What did African leaders do or say?' An 83 year old man too? Lol!

Unless Guineans descend into a full blown crisis, its an absolute waste of time!

I'd go as far to say, let every state find their own means of revenue. Let the Niger Delta and her people keep their oil.... I'm SW and I also consider some states there to be near parasitic.

This country's so badly structured that it has now become almost mandatory for other states to do little but expect largesse no matter their close to zero contribution to national coffers.

Xbee007:

I have seen videos of the way this is used by Talibans. The motorcycle is parked and then the gun is dismounted and placed on a very stable 2 leg stands, the motorcycle standing as the third leg so it is stable. The gunner has nearly 360 degree rotation. You can also raise it up and down.

Truth be told, I'm a battlefield novice. I'd imagine whilst very mobile around difficult terrains, a quad bike might just be better with stability and all.

Let the bikes be for recce unless the end justifies the means. That NA contraption is a most horrible one and should be hidden.

With the motorbike, won't the rider also have the discomfort of scalding hot spent ammo falling onto his head, body plus the deafening sound.

Would this contraption be better? Admittedly it's from one of those ragtag terror groups.

kabe1:


GEJ Diplomacy is usually too soft, too understanding.

We need a hardliner to act as a counter-weight to him with regards to diplomacy.

Short term military interventions are really important, however i don't think we should get into it for now.

Although i believe we can spare 2,000 soldiers for any intervention.

Short Term, yes. Long Term..... NO!!!

It is only but a coup and unless it morphs into a full blown conflict, I do not think we should be involved at all bar sanctioning or soft/medium diplomacy.

Apart from her location in West Africa, Guinea offers nothing to Nigeria but for her instability causing issues for our neighbours.

I just believe our current state of insecurity means we requires all hands on deck; the personnel and hardware should be solely dedicated to resolving or containing the situation especially in the North. Anything more than this is grandstanding.

& @Covert1

lionel4power:
Meanwhile, our brothers in Guinea operates MiG-21s (less than a squadron strength though) in case we need to bring freedom to their doorstep.

Nigeria should stay away from any hard power diplomacy unless its likely to become a threat to us or impact on our closest neighbours.

We have far too much insecurity on our home turf to go get stuck in a quagmire in Guinea.

4++ JF-17?!

Ok o.

All farm animals be tagged and permission taken before moving from Point A to B. Would nip rustling in the bud.

Covert1:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH1QQdfSzKw

Finally with this acquisition Nigeria now has for the first time in over 25 years achieved a viable element of deterrence against state & non-state actors in the region. With the M346FA augmenting the JF-17s, F-7s and the A-29 Super Tucanos the NAF now has the strategic and tactical advantage of air power over its existing and potential enemies. This calls for a neat drink to the health of the Nigerian Air Force and the Armed Forces of Nigeria. Long live the Federal Republic of Nigeria! Cheers!

These new jets might well mean JF - 17 may not be procured further?

In other news

I think we should quit calling them 'bandits', it's a terrorist organisation albeit based largely on loose ideologies operating in the NC, NW.

kabe1:


Can you point out to me where i said Buhari should not be blamed?

In times of win/achievements, it is not Shehu Shagari that would claim the spoils.



Clearly using a political undertone and using political bias in your argument, but that's fine.

Has Buhari provided the tools the military requires within available budget to ensure that our armed forces have the right equipment to combat insecurity in Nigeria?

Has the President put in place the mechanism to eliminate corruption in procurement of arms, favoring deals instead of black market purchases?

Has the President appointed competent individuals to lead our Armed Forces, with the likes of S.B Abubakar, Buratai and Ibok Ebas?

Has Buhari ensured local participation of Nigerian companies by signing Executive Order 5 in the procurement process?


Just like a FTSE 500 company would elect/select a leader to turn around their fortunes or steady a rocking ship by identifying areas of weakness. In that time, lack of elements of leadership have been GLARING with Buhari.

All previous failings should have been enough to provoke a defence review and innovative adjustments applied. Human components, updated leadership training for officers, adopt best practices, revamp army culture, recommendations to plug operational gaps, intelligence gatherings, and so on.

So can you explain to me, what this is?

Submission of Report of C’tee on Review on Armed Forces Act CAP 20

The need for the establishment of necessary institutions and framework to meet the yearnings, aspirations of citizenry, officers and men of the Armed Forces in order to lay solid foundation for an enduring and sustainable legacy for the Armed Forces cannot be overemphasized.

This remark was made known by the Honourable Minister of Defence, Mansur Muhammad Dan-Ali, while receiving the final submission of the reviewed Armed Forces ACT CAP A20 Laws of the federation of Nigeria, 2004, in Abuja.

While addressing the members of the committee, the minister stated with delight that the combined efforts of the report of the constituted Committee has contributed towards his dream of leaving a legacy of a strengthened and sustainable legal framework for regulating the Armed Forces of Nigeria.

The Constituted Committee were mandated to critically examine the Armed Forces ACT of Nigeria, collate views from relevant stake-holders and to come up with a reviewed ACT that is comparable with what is obtainable in other developed democracies.

Minister added that the reforms made by the Reviewed Committee will go to annals, of history as a ground breaking efforts geared towards bringing the Armed Forces ACT up-to-date in this 21st century, consistent with international Standard and the best practices.

Instead, we are still playing from the same old military era rulebook, buy new equipment and think we can build a successful army when we haven’t addressed the human factor.

https://defence.gov.ng/2019/08/21/submission-of-report-of-ctee-on-review-on-armed-forces-act-cap-20/

The NAF is currently made up of six commands namely: Tactical Air Command, Special Operations Command , Mobility Command, Air Training Command, Ground Training Command and the Logistics Command with headquarters in Makurdi, Bauchi, Yenogoa, Kaduna, Enugu and Lagos, respectively.



Let’s not get too hung up on this thread too, but read through the indices, study the dynamics of what NA failures is doing to communities.

IDP camps springing up in Northern states, food famine due to deserted farms, migration from the North, already impoverished families selling up lands to richer folks to be able to pay ransoms. Who should take the blame for this otherwise?


You made claims you cannot prove, emotional outbursts that is consistent with most Nigerians, no research, no investigation, just unfounded claims.

Nobody is happy with the level of insecurity in Nigeria, but to make claims that this government hasn't made the necessary investments, Passed necessary laws to ensure that the level of insecurity we currently see in Nigeria is nipped in the mud is a blatant lie.

These investments haven't yielded the positive outcome that we want to see, but their has been real commitments.


In my own assessment, and irrespective of our political, tribal and religious views, we as Nigerians need to understand that the security of Nigeria is also our responsibility irrespective of who's in power.

I am not absolving this administration, the buck ultimately stops at the President's table, he is responsible, but we also need to do our own parts.

These criminals whoever they are, government or people are from our communities, they didn't appear out of thin air.

I think you'll find same levels of vitriol towards Jonathan, so any insinuations my views are political are dead in the water. Borrowing a leaf from the media, I choose to address him as such cos of his increasing strangling of our freedoms. (Old habits die hard you see)

He has indeed provided more materials than most others, however we're still experiencing heightened levels of insecurity.

Haven't seen a defence review before as that, cool. So what's the update on how it is to be implemented or...?

You can read wide I believe, rather than issue conjectures that my opinions are based on emotional outbursts.

IDP camps in Plateau (Reported in the media)
Farmers abandoning farms in parts of North (highlighted by UN, Think Tanks, Media Reports)
Reports of families selling land to fund ransoms (Reuters report, Senators et al)

So, I'm here due to the same reasons you are. We can agree to disagree but this is my opinion on the situation.

bidexiii:



You don't need to reply this throlls !

Fela kuku has a song for you. Lol
(I dey play o)

kabe1:


The incident at NDA is an unfortunate breach of security.

However, your outburst was unnecessary and unfortunate.

Remember when terrorists bombed Force Headquarters in Abuja, also remember the October 1st bombing while former President Jonathan and other African leaders were all seated at Eagle Square.

Remember at a time insecurity in the Niger Delta was so bad Nigeria only produced 600,000 barrels of crude oil per day, a country whose OPEC quota was 2.4 million barrels, and had the capacity to produce 4 million barrels of crude per day.

Going back in history we've had mastastine sect perpetrating violence in Kano which killed thousands of people.

The end of the civil war in 1970, a brutal civil war in which more than one million people died.

This was followed by years of military rule - broken only by a four-year spell of democracy and ended by elections in 1999.

Military rule suppressed long brewing grievances among the various ethnic groups, but by the 1990s restiveness had begun to boil over in the Niger Delta.

Violence exploded in western Nigeria following federal elections in 1964 and regional elections a year later.

There has been a history of violence in Nigeria, which even goes further back to 1804.

So to make it seem that the current spate of violence we are seeing in Nigeria today is solely because of the leadership or lack of, of Buhari is disingenuous, misleading and a misrepresentation of the facts.

Ensuring security of lives & properties is the responsibility of the government, it does not mean that citizens do not have roles to play.

Security situation in Nigeria is bad, but has this government made the right investments to ensure that the security situation in Nigeria improves?

The President has made available the tools requested by the Nigerian military, giving the available budget that we have.

He has also changed his service chiefs, it's now the responsibility for the individuals in charge of security to put in mechanism in place to ensure that we have the necessary protection in place to prevent, repel and go after security threats that bedevil Nigeria.

You say the President's body language, however it's this same Buhari that held security meetings with Service chiefs, Police, DSS & NSA last week Thursday.

Do you expect the President to pick up a gun to go after these bandits & terrorists?

I do not understand why Buhari should NOT be blamed? In times of win/achievements, it is not Shehu Shagari that would claim the spoils.

The Nigerian Armed Forces has a culture of apathy and dysfunction. Over time, this behaviour has been learnt, adopted, increasingly internalised, and passed down generations to the present state of affairs. Essentially, the current crop of defence Chiefs are a product of that system.

Rt Gen Buhari rode to power on the wave of solving increasing levels of insecurity and was one of the major critics of the previous administration with a promise to ‘lead from the front’.

Just like a FTSE 500 company would elect/select a leader to turn around their fortunes or steady a rocking ship by identifying areas of weakness. In that time, lack of elements of leadership have been GLARING with Buhari.

All previous failings should have been enough to provoke a defence review and innovative adjustments applied. Human components, updated leadership training for officers, adopt best practices, revamp army culture, recommendations to plug operational gaps, intelligence gatherings, and so on.

Instead, we are still playing from the same old military era rulebook, buy new equipment and think we can build a successful army when we haven’t addressed the human factor.

Let’s not get too hung up on this thread too, but read through the indices, study the dynamics of what NA failures is doing to communities.

IDP camps springing up in Northern states, food famine due to deserted farms, migration from the North, already impoverished families selling up lands to richer folks to be able to pay ransoms. Who should take the blame for this otherwise?

kabe1:


I expected better from you.

Go and cry to Buhari at the villa.

Stop wailing in this thread.

E reach to moan, groan and scream at the top of my lungs.

There's a need for ubiquitous leadership and not scarcity which our President seems to have not got the memo. Either they filter reports to him by his advisers or he chooses his own narrative to believe.

It is not enough to buy shiny weapons amongst others whilst the enemies continues to explore repeated operational deficiencies.

I'm not going to pretend to know what goes on within the army hierarchy but as an outsider, issues are glaringly obvious. Go and read books like Thieves of State: Why Corruption Threatens Global Security and understand how issues like this can set us back.

Under this tyrant, complaining about things like this or taking matters in your hands would see DSS (GESTAPO) stealing you and your family away in the middle of the night. At least, we could complain and protest under Jonathan.

And let's continue comparing ourselves to Afghanistan because we're a failed state too? Might as well scrap this thread cos some things are beginning to beggar belief.