₦airaland Forum

I-man:
How is someone whose mother is white a black man? At best,he is half-black.

God bless you my brother

toshmann:
this, for me, is the message of obama. he wont get there, but he has showed the black world that we have the right to dream big, and the capability to pursue our dreams. . . . as part of those famous words in the american constitution . . . . . that we hold these truths to be self evident, that all men were created egual . . . . . . .inalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness

Escuse me,

Is Obama a black man?

naijaking1:
Mr. Unilag-college-educated-quota-allocated-sharia-inclined-muslim-zealot, I bet you never obtained a university education in Unilag, so why make noise.

People like you merely obtained college level bachelor's education despite being in a university.

If you had obtained a truely university education anywhere in the World, you would have learnt that protest does not equal riot.

You can't run away from the main topic of this thread, ie the murderous behaviours of muslims like you at the slightest provocation and stupid misinterpretation of the laws of the land by your muslim cohorts.

You do display your stupidity. College is NOT equal to University. That is what you have been taught where you migrated and you think it applies worldwide.

You further display your arrant lack of intelligence by referring to me as a muslim. Everyone who has a different opinion from that of your GOATSHIP has to be a muslim. Seeing that you are so unintelligent, I chose not to have any discussion on this with you.

Yes. Britain is terrible for that. It's all, in my opinion due to their inability to properly train their children. In Britain, good parenthood is equated with spoiling your kids and buying them everything they request even when it is not good for them in the long run.

It wont be long till this kind of behaviour becomes rampant in Nigeria as Nigerians are always looking to copy whatever is done in Britain and America

naijaking1:
Wake up ol man, all the so-called universities you attend after high school na colleges.

Unless you're in a Masters' or doctorate program, you're just in college.

I know the obession with the term university in naija, but 80-90% of students in naija's universities are really doing college level works, ie bachelors' and equivalent.

I don't think you'll understand since all you learnt from UNILAG was that riot=protest.

the attitude of goats like you is to believe that Nigerians have to adapt everything American. A Nigerian University is NOT a College, you fool.

Even in the UK, a University is different from a College. The problem with fools is that they think what they have learnt in America has to obtain all over the world. I wont blame you anyway. It is the shallowness of your mind which dictated in the first place that you had to go and wash plates in America to go to 'college' and then you think you know something that any other person does not know.

Once again fool, a college is NOT a University

babasin:
Go back and live in naija for another 1yr and come and tell us if you don't 419 anyone.

ha ha ha

Thanks for letting that be known bro

What a complete idot this misguided fool is.

I see that it is in your nature to ascribe things to people in order to find room for insults. Go the way of your brother, you jumpy baboon.

You even equate Unilag to a college in your stupidity.

You can train them as much as you want. As long as they see other citizens getting rich by corrupt means, they will forget the training and the training becomes useless.

It's a total National re-orientation that can achieve anything meaningful. Most of the thieves in nigeria now were very well trained abroad, so what happened to all their training?

while zero tolerance for armed robbery should be advocated, we should all also examine ourselves and stop our attitudes of being robbers-in-waiting.

Most of us are robbers in waiting. We just dont have the opportunity to rob yet: maybe not with arms but in different ways

folem:
1 way to prove it.

Take away all Nigerians to e.g a Western Country like US (since so many Nigerians play the Visa Lottery) and then bring all the Americans to Nigeria and before you Know it, 20 years down the line all the "Old Nigerians" will be playing another Visa Lottery to relocate back "Home".

hilarious

smile4kenn:
we don't need your prove

I take it you wanted to write 'proof'

Nigerians in totality are responsible for it.

if you disagree, i'll prove it

Kobojunkie:
The Police needs training. Other agencies need to be trained as well but that does not change the fact that regardless of where the others are, right now, the police force needs to be trained and ready for the others.
Infact, Traing the police force is more for the public than for other sectors. We need a force than can at least understand how to deal with basic workings of police. We can not afford to put the training of the police force on hold for when we can better tie things together in other areas, which we have not been able to do for decades now.

You do not put the education of the mechanic on hold until you have a car ready for him to fix. You train him so that when the car arrives, he is already able to deal with what is needed and knows how to apply what he ALREADY knows to fixing the car.

Good point.

However, knowledge that cannot be used is wasted knowledge.

babasin:
Nigeria is offically an islamic state:

51% Muslim
48% Christian
1% others

This is not what makes any nation Islamic or otherwise.

Last time I checked, Nigeria was a secular State

naijaking1:
Why do you even have to go to Sudan to appreciate lawlessness among muslims?
All yo u need to do is go to any northern city like Kano.

Do you need a lecture on the frequency of lawless muslim rioting at Kano?
British and American laws do not make almajiris fill up the streets, looting, stealing and killing without proper justification.

You really have to be completely daft and brainless not to see the mayhem caused by your fellow muslims in Nigeria without transposing the situation to Sudan.

Muslims don't riot and kill in US, UK, France, etc, but guess what? They do so for every imaginable provocation in Africa.

Why?

You have to be an slowpoke for replying with insults. It should be clear to anyone with any brain at all to read my posts and realise that I am not a muslim. What has Kano got to do with Sudan?

Muslims protest in UK, they have protested in France as well. The reason they dont riot in UK and France and US is the same reason why others dont riot in these countries. Riots are what people do to protest in several parts of Africa but you are too daft to see anything. When I was in Unilag, the word protest was synonymous with the word riot but you are too daft to see how things relate. People dont generally riot in the countries you mention so muslims are not likely to just jump onto the streets and riot.

When anyone protests in Nigeria, it almost always invariably turns into a riot; it is the way the society is.  

Do imbeciles like you just resort to insulting people whenever they dont buy your stupid arguments?

idupaul, stop taking your news from only one source. compare with other sources and make your mind up

idupaul:
what i meant by Musharaf being stable was that his sense of judgement when it comes to issues is really fair, mentally i think he is stable, imagine what will happen to bhutto if Saddam was incharge in pakistan, Even hugo chavez wont allow that

isn't it obvious why Bhutto was allowed back? Did you not realise what was going on in Pakistan at the time?

Allowed back only to be put under house arrest when the events were not going according to plan. I still cant believe you are saying that Musharaf's government is not a rogue government. Is that just because he is Bush's ally?

The worst thing in Nigeria today is NIGERIANS:

Almost every NIGERIAN is a thief-in-waiting
Most NIGERIANS have a feeling of worthlessness based on successive under-achievement
Most NIGERIANS prefer to do that which is wrong as long as they achieve 'quickly' certain ends
Most NIGERIANS do not feel the need to TAKE ACTION to correct any percieved anomaly
Most NIGERIANS support everyone who oppresses them as long as they get the crumbs from the table of the oppressor

when your father starts teaching you right from wrong, you will be able to determine who is a toddler and who is not. I'm sure your father is more of a toddler than I am

Those who are old enough know that Marwa was a very corrupt Governor of Lagos State.
The idiots who looted our treausry so much should never be seen in public life again if Nigerians have any sense of decency.

davidylan:
Take a chill pill, not everything you read is an insult. Grow up.

You very well know muslims don't obey that rule, rather they misuse the priviledge of free speech (a tool that is alien to the laws of their home countries) to go on rampage demanding for "their rights" (another facility that is unavailable to them in their home countries).
Muslims were outraged when France came out with its no-hijab laws . . . did they stay away from France? Your guess is as good as mine.

1. I'm not obliged to answer any question.
2. I don't waste my entire life hating muslims, they do a pretty good job with that themselves.
3. If i didnt put my brain to good use i'd be just like you today, unable to think outside the box.

And nations like Sudan, who stupidly copied everything from the quran, are paragons of progress?

Isnt it surprising that the West, with all their laws are light years ahead of your non-law copying nations?

Telling me to grow up is rude when you dont even know how old I am.

You have resorted to insults! It seems to be your lifestyle.
If you were properly bred by your parents, you will not become such a loose dog prowling and hurling insults at everyone who disagrees with you. It would be great to see what kind of home such an ill-mannered fool like you emanated from.

not only are you ill-mannered, you are also brainless being unable to realise that there are some muslim people who are French Nationals and have no other country. You are too stupid to realise that so you advocate that all of them should vacate their own nation and migrate to foreign lands. You cannot see anything in it's true light as your mind is not developed enough to see them and your parents did not offer you the background to enable a rounded development of your brain.

You think that Nations are built on religious beliefs.

I will now ignore you as you have succeeded in making me do what I did not set out to do.

davidylan:
and why do you hypocrites keep trooping into the very same western nations you accuse of being the great shaitan?

If America and Britain adopted similar laws as Saudi Arabia and Sudan, islamic hypocrites would be the first to cry "rights"!

hmmm most muslim nations including Sudan fall straight into this category.

Do you only know how to insult people? I am not a hypocrite and I did not 'troop' to any western nation.

America and Britain have their own laws that some nations dont necessarily like. Any foreigner who does not like British laws and it's applications should stay away from Britain, same for America.

You failed to answer the question about how I suddenly became a muslim. it would appear that your whole life is dominated by a hatred of muslim people. I hope this does not impact on the use to which you put your brain.

One of the main reasons Nigeria has failed to progress is the fact that Nigeria stupidly copies everything from the west without consideration for it's own uniqueness in terms of social life and cultural differences

Thirdly, since the Nigeria police problem is a reflection of Nigeria's larger political and social decadence, whatever British assistance being sought would not have any desired effect until a major surgical operation of the larger problems of the Nigerian society is undertaken.

Absolutely.

These guys here just dont get it. they think that chasing shadows will help them rather than dealing with the substance. We have a Nation of rogues where almost nothing works well and everybody thinks one department can be singled out to work well within such a society. The Police does not work in isolation in any nation. They rely on all other government agencies for various things.

I think we need to stop displaying our 'half knowledge'. Lets get things in proper perspective so we can have meaningful debates and discussions

naijaking1:
For you and Olabowale, I remain astonished that you would stay in UK and US, appreciate the orderly nature of things, and yet take every opportunity possible to promote lawlessness- via religious intolerance when Africa is involved.

For Nigeria, you guys want a strict and self limiting forms of your religion via sharia, restriction of movement and freedom for women, and worst of all death sentence for anybody you think went against your percieved interpretation of your holy book.

Same thing has happened in Kano and othe northern cities in naija, now you're arguing that it's an applicable law in Sudan.

Please call a spade a spade.

I am amazed that you have grouped me with someone else whom I am not sure I ever read from/about.

Do you not know that promotion of lawlessness is to tell a Nation not to apply it's own laws? Why must that nation follow what Britain and America consider as proper? Must everyone else become daft and brainwashed to accept everything thrown at them by Britain and America? If you want to live your life by what others do, it's your prerogative but you should not expect that everyone else has to be the same way.

Narrow-mindedness of oppresors and the acceptance of same by many who consider themselves inferior is one of the reasons certain sections of the world will never rise to greatness. they already believe they are inferior and have no place in striving for greatness in their own unique way!

davidylan:
when the French government enacted laws that prohibited girls from wearing hijabs to school[b] you and your fellow muslim brothers were the first to cry foul [/b] . . . claiming an infringement of your "rights". Why didnt you just vacate France if you didnt like the law? Hypocrites!

Okay. You are one of those people:
How did you come to the conclusion that I am a "muslim brother"? because you live in your world where you cant accept people who see different things: maybe because you cant really see the right things.

Why did Gillian go to Sudan if they are so backward and they dont know how to apply anything, especially law?

Kobojunkie:
Well, in that case, I still think you should look to self for the colomentality. The arguement for it has so far not been about Nigeria being a former british colony but simply about what we can gain compared to what we have now. I am not sure Yar'adua went in with the mentality that since we used to be under the british means they know more than we do in all things. So please, can we focus on what we can gain from this and not the same old COLOMEntality that has kept us were we are today due to stupid pride. There are so many things the government could do and not do [[b]color=#990000]but the government is not responsible for collecting information and data for law enforcement[[/color][/color][color=#990000][/color][color=#990000]/b]. Infact, all that should be done by the agency itself and since it has not been able to successfully achieve that means help might be needed and there is no point going around talking about what we could have and not have without actually doing something about it. Let them train our men in data collection and get things working. This has nothing to do with colonialism or black vs white issues but simple common sense.

The discussion has just ended.

The police should be responsible for monitoring and keeping records of who gets in and out of the country? the Police should be responsible for doing the job that the office of statistics should be doing? The police should probably be responsible for getting us fed.

chineke

can you guys not disagree without resorting to insults?

I will personally kill some of them if I set my eyes on them in any hospital

If you dont like the laws and application in a nation, stay away from there

Kobojunkie:
Your argument is flawed for the fact that you somehow do not see that this problem did not start today or in the last 10 decades but from over 3 decades now. During that time, the police, if it really wanted to, could have collected all the stats it needs to get at least part of the job done today. Stats and records do not drop from the sky, they have to put it together themselves. Even without a computer, you can do simple record keeping, work which even today many companies still handle with ease. I am sorry I do not think I can get into this with you but about the colomentality you speak of, I think you should look to self for that. All big countries in this world have at one time or another recruited the help of other countries to help train it's people. The British army still gets american millitary to train it from time to time in different skills. Same with Nigeria, the millitary still gets training from America and from other countries with training to offer. Every year thousands of Nigerians travel abroad to get educated in the UK and many other countries. Companies call on foreign companies to help train their staff each year in new technologies and effective business practices. Even China hires thousands of Americans to train it's own business people. Why it is colomentality when it comes to training our Nigerian cops??

It is not the idea of training the cops that is colomentality. It is the belief that whatever the colonialists feed us must work and must be better than the way our brains work that is referred to as colomentality.
Statistics with regards to a lot of things are not to be made available by the Police. The government should be responsible for having functional departments which will make good, traceable records available for the Police to use. Without such records that other government departments provide in Britain, the police forces in Britain will be as hopeless as the Nigeria Police Force. The fact that you think it is the duty of the police to have statistics, eg stats of people in work, stats of people migrating, stats of people who are of voting age: these are not for the Police to provide. Until we understand that there have to be certain things in place for law and order to exist in a Nation where majority of citizens are criminals in waiting, we will not move forward in any endeavour.