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MuttleyLaff:
That is a clever way of saying, I dont want any of those questions to unnerve me, lol, I will just keep my distance and stay very clear and away from them, lol.

I rate highly, think much of and hold in high regard original thinkers. What I am trying to tell you blueAgent is that, I will value you, respect you and hold you in high in esteem, if you first express your thoughts, ideas, concepts, theology and/or philosophies in your own words and not be sign posting me to internet websites. Everyone gets cow milk from different dairy farms, to then make their cheese from the milks. I want to see and eat your cheese, not someone's else "the one I made earlier". Capisce?, lol.

PS: You're a smart guy, quick learner, able to take and act on subtle hint, lol. Unlike before in the beginning with your earlier "posts" when you werent and couldnt be bothered, you are now, slowly but surely, starting to cite source(s), lol. Commendable. Wehdone Sir.

Clown 95% of articles on my blog were composed and written by me.

crunchyg:
Then good bye, you can believe what you like

Even beyond the question of scriptural support, we must ask the question of precisely what the doctrine of the Trinity means. Christians say that their religion is not polytheistic, that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are not three separate gods but are in some way all the same being. But if this is the case, then what is it that makes the Christian god a trinity? In what way are the three distinct while at the same time remaining one? The difference is not one of presence or extent; all three members of the Trinity are believed by Christians to be omnipresent. The difference is not one of power; Christians believe all members of the Trinity to be omnipotent. Nor is the difference one of knowledge; Christians believe all members of the Trinity to be omniscient. But what else can be the source of the distinction? Do the members of the Trinity have separate consciousnesses, so that their thoughts are different from each other? Do they have separate wills, so that their desires and preferences differ? If neither is the case, then in what sense are they distinct? This is the fundamental paradox of the Trinity. If the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit have separate consciousnesses or desires, then they are each separate gods, and there is no sense in which they are the same being. In that case, Christianity is polytheistic. But on the other hand, if the Son and the Holy Spirit have no separate consciousness or will from the Father, then they have no independent existence at all – they are merely instruments or tools through which God works to accomplish his will. One would not call a carpenter’s hammer a carpenter in and of itself, nor would one say that the carpenter was the same as his hammer. In this case, if the members of the Trinity have no separate consciousness, will or desires, then there is no Trinity at all – the whole doctrine is essentially just a convoluted way for God to talk to himself. Either way, the resolution is the same: the Christian divinity can be either one or three, but not both at the same time. When trying to explain the meaning of the Trinity, Christian theologians often speak of it as a divine mystery that lies beyond full human comprehension. If this is true, it is strange that God, if he wanted us to understand and relate to him, would create us in such a way that a fundamental aspect of his nature would lie forever beyond our grasp. But a more important objection to such claims is this: If a claim is labeled beyond our ability to understand, then how are we supposed to tell if it is true? What assurance do theists have that the Trinity is a true fact about the world that is genuinely beyond our ability to comprehend, as opposed to a false claim invented by people whose illogical nature is protected from scrutiny by labeling it a mystery we aren’t intended to understand? But of course, there is no such assurance. The Trinity, if it is to be believed, must be believed purely on the basis of faith. And this is what, as an atheist, I find unacceptable. Like other religious doctrines, the Trinity bears all the hallmarks of an idea invented by men – men who could not come up with perfect solutions to the logical problems in the system they had created, and so instead tried to paper over those problems, to prevent people from examining them too closely, by warning others in advance that this is something they should not expect to make sense. Such irrationality should be rejected by all thinking minds; it has never brought us anything of benefit. The light of reason points the way to a better path, if only we are willing to follow it.

jcross19:
can you see someone who is quoting bible and trying to question the existence of his fellow mortal! you are a big fool that reason with his foot. very shameful simple question you are quoting out of point. the mortal died and return to dust why the spirit remain intact all the quotations are all talking about the state of canal or mortal body which dies and decays but the spirit never die. simple Jesus told the thief at left side that today you will meet me in the paradise then asked you that was Jesus drunk to made such statement if there is no life after death . If you want to argue, argue with Christ period not meet. your brain is equal brain of a fish.

You are a big Idiot.
How do you reconcile the fact that Jesus did not go to Heaven until 40days after his resurrection?

Idiot tell me how the Thief entered into Heaven the day he was crucified since Jesus who was to take him there entered 40days after.
The Jesus who was to take him there also promised that he will raise the saved on the last day.

John 20:17
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended
to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I
ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and
your God.

John 6:40
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which
seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting
life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Maximus69:
Paul said the fruit is
LOVE
JOY
PEACE
PATIENCE
KINDNESS
GOODNESS
FAITH
MILDNESS
SELF CONTROL

So the first three signify that those worshipping God must have LOVE, JOY and PEACE amongst them.

You will continue to argue and argue over who is right or wrong regarding the application of God's word.
But with the SIGN, an interested person will be able to IDENTIFY the group that's getting it right, because those are the fruit of God's holy Spirit and it's impossible for falsehood to bear such fruits says Jesus! Matthew 7:16-17

Sign is not a enough, the Bible says that even the Devil will make signs and wonders .

All this signs you claim are not percuilar to JW.

jcross19:
can you see someone who is quoting bible and trying to question the existence of his fellow mortal! you are a big fool that reason with his foot. very shameful simple question you are quoting out of point. the mortal died and return to dust why the spirit remain intact all the quotations are all talking about the state of canal or mortal body which dies and decays but the spirit never die. simple Jesus told the thief at left side that today you will meet me in the paradise then asked you that was Jesus drunk to made such statement if there is no life after death . If you want to argue, argue with Christ period not meet. your brain is equal brain of a fish.

You just confirmed your official Status as an Idiot.

I have asked you to show me where it is written that the spirit never dies.

Secondly the Bible says that only God has Immortality and we know that God is a spirit. so how come man's spirit has Immortality when only God has it?

Idiot.

Ihedinobi3:
First of all, you are the one making wild claims with your thread and I came here to demand that you substantiate them biblically. So far, you haven't been able to, so you really are in no position to make demands.

Second, I have accepted responsibility, nonetheless, to demonstrate the Bible's true position. And I have done so exhaustively, in spite of your complaint that my answers are too long, I should add. I see no reason to repeat myself. You have to actually read my responses in order to actually hear what I have to say. When you have read them, then you can tell whether or not there is anything missing. So, do go back and read my responses. If you don't see my answers to your demand for proof about how spirits live on after death and an explanation for the knowledge of the dead, you can make your demand again.

Hint: I've answered your questions and demands already.

The undying, immortal soul is not mentioned in the Bible.
The word “immortal” is found only once in the Bible, and it is
in reference to God (1 Timothy 1:17).


No. The undying, immortal soul is not mentioned in the Bible.
The word “immortal” is found only once in the Bible, and it is
in reference to God (1 Timothy 1:17).

Ihedinobi3:
First of all, you are the one making wild claims with your thread and I came here to demand that you substantiate them biblically. So far, you haven't been able to, so you really are in no position to make demands.

Second, I have accepted responsibility, nonetheless, to demonstrate the Bible's true position. And I have done so exhaustively, in spite of your complaint that my answers are too long, I should add. I see no reason to repeat myself. You have to actually read my responses in order to actually hear what I have to say. When you have read them, then you can tell whether or not there is anything missing. So, do go back and read my responses. If you don't see my answers to your demand for proof about how spirits live on after death and an explanation for the knowledge of the dead, you can make your demand again.

Hint: I've answered your questions and demands already.

“Man lies down and does not rise. Till the heavens are no
more, they will not awake nor be roused from their sleep. …
His sons come to honor, and he does not know it; they are
brought low, and he does not perceive it” (Job 14:12, 21).
“Nevermore will they have a share in anything done under the
sun” (Ecclesiastes 9:6).

“The living know that they will die; but the dead know
nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of
them is forgotten. Also their love, their hatred, and their envy
have now perished; nevermore will they have a share in
anything done under the sun. … There is no work or device or
knowledge or wisdom in the grave where you are
going” (Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6, 10).
“The dead do not praise the Lord” (Psalm 115:17).


“Man lies down and does not rise. Till the heavens are no
more” (Job 14:12).
“The day of the Lord will come … in which the heavens will
pass away” (2 Peter 3:10).




The Bible Says
After death a person: returns to dust (Psalms 104:29), knows
nothing (Ecclesiastes 9:5), possesses no mental powers
(Psalms 146:4), has nothing to do with anything on earth
(Ecclesiastes 9:6), does not live (2 Kings 20:1), waits in the
grave (Job 17:13), and continues not (Job 14:1, 2).

Ihedinobi3:
First of all, you are the one making wild claims with your thread and I came here to demand that you substantiate them biblically. So far, you haven't been able to, so you really are in no position to make demands.

Second, I have accepted responsibility, nonetheless, to demonstrate the Bible's true position. And I have done so exhaustively, in spite of your complaint that my answers are too long, I should add. I see no reason to repeat myself. You have to actually read my responses in order to actually hear what I have to say. When you have read them, then you can tell whether or not there is anything missing. So, do go back and read my responses. If you don't see my answers to your demand for proof about how spirits live on after death and an explanation for the knowledge of the dead, you can make your demand again.

Hint: I've answered your questions and demands already.

emphasis on Job 3:13,3:16,3:17,3:19

Ihedinobi3:
First of all, you are the one making wild claims with your thread and I came here to demand that you substantiate them biblically. So far, you haven't been able to, so you really are in no position to make demands.

Second, I have accepted responsibility, nonetheless, to demonstrate the Bible's true position. And I have done so exhaustively, in spite of your complaint that my answers are too long, I should add. I see no reason to repeat myself. You have to actually read my responses in order to actually hear what I have to say. When you have read them, then you can tell whether or not there is anything missing. So, do go back and read my responses. If you don't see my answers to your demand for proof about how spirits live on after death and an explanation for the knowledge of the dead, you can make your demand again.

Hint: I've answered your questions and demands already.

Every thing you posted contradicts God's word.
Here is the words of Job concerning the State of the dead.
Job said that if he had died he would had been at rest and
like someone who never ever existed.
Job 3:9 Let the stars of the twilight thereof be dark; let it look
for light, but have none; neither let it see the dawning of the
day: 3:10 Because it shut not up the doors of my mother's
womb, nor hid sorrow from mine eyes. 3:11 Why died I not
from the womb? why did I not give up the ghost when I came
out of the belly? 3:12 Why did the knees prevent me? or why
the breasts that I should suck? 3:13 For now should I have
lain still and been quiet, I should have slept: then had I been
at rest, 3:14 With kings and counsellors of the earth, which
built desolate places for themselves; 3:15 Or with princes that
had gold, who filled their houses with silver: 3:16 Or as an
hidden untimely birth I had not been; as infants which never
saw light. 3:17 There the wicked cease from troubling; and
there the weary be at rest. 3:18 There the prisoners rest
together; they hear not the voice of the oppressor. 3:19 The
small and great are there; and the servant is free from his
master. 3:20 Wherefore is light given to him that is in misery,
and life unto the bitter in soul; 3:21 Which long for death, but
it cometh not; and dig for it more than for hid treasures; 3:22
Which rejoice exceedingly, and are glad, when they can find
the grave?

Ihedinobi3:
First of all, you are the one making wild claims with your thread and I came here to demand that you substantiate them biblically. So far, you haven't been able to, so you really are in no position to make demands.

Second, I have accepted responsibility, nonetheless, to demonstrate the Bible's true position. And I have done so exhaustively, in spite of your complaint that my answers are too long, I should add. I see no reason to repeat myself. You have to actually read my responses in order to actually hear what I have to say. When you have read them, then you can tell whether or not there is anything missing. So, do go back and read my responses. If you don't see my answers to your demand for proof about how spirits live on after death and an explanation for the knowledge of the dead, you can make your demand again.

Hint: I've answered your questions and demands already.

It's obvious you have boxed yourself into a corner, hence your inability to answer my questions.

You claim that the Soul lives on and cannot die.

That's a very big lie because the Bible says the soul can die.
The soul is not Immorttal neither is man.

Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die. Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.



1 Timothy 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.



The spirit does not have Immortality the Bible says only God has Immortality .
remember that God is a spirit, so if the Bible says is Only God that has Immortality than it means that no other spirit has Immortality. That includes the Devil and the spirit of man

jcross19:
sorry to call you a fool! I said Jesus will not make use of such example if there is no life after death. oh I see you are a Jehovah witness oh I see .

So you cannot explain why it seems that the Bible is contradicting itself.

that shows you do not know how to comprehend the what you have read.

A parable is a parable nothing special about it

Jesus gave them to illustrate a or to make a point to be clearer


Dave Ahl — November 2019
Parables Introduction Definitions, parable, fable, analogy,
count of parables
List of Parables in Order Brief descriptions and scripture
references for all 46 parables.
Parables #1-2-3-4 New cloth, New wine. Lamp on a stand.
Wise & foolish builders.
Parables #5-6 Moneylender forgives unequal debts. Lamp
on a stand (2nd time).
Parables #7-8 Rich man builds bigger barns. Servants
must remain watchful.
Parables #9-10 Wise and foolish servants. Unfruitful fig
tree.
Parable #11 Sower of seeds into four types of soil.
Parable #12 Weeds among good plants. “Kingdom of
Heaven”.
Parables #13-15 Growing seed. Mustard seed. Yeast.
“Kingdom of Heaven”.
Parables #16-19 Hidden treasure. Pearl. Fishing net. Owner
of a house. “Kingdom of Heaven”.
Parables #20-21 Lost sheep. The sheep, gate, and
shepherd.
Parables #22-23 Master and his servant. Unmerciful
servant.
Parables #24-25 Good Samaritan. Friend in need.
Parables #26-27 Lowest seat at the feast. Invitation to a
great banquet.
Parable #28 Cost of discipleship.
Parables #29-30 Lost sheep (sheep as sinners). Lost
copin.
Parable #31 Lost (prodigal) son.
Parable #32 Shrewd manager.
Parable #33 Rich man and Lazarus.
Parable #34 Workers in the vineyard, early and late.
Parables #35-36 Persistent widow and crooked judge.
Praying: Pharisee and tax collector.
Parable #37 King's servants given minas.
Parables #38-39 Two sons, one obeys, one does not.
Wicked tenants.
Parable #40 Invitation to a wedding banquet.
Parables #41-42 Signs from a fig tree. Wise and foolish
servants.
Parables #43-44 Wise and foolish virgins. Servants must
remain watchful.
Parable #45 Three servants given talents.
Parable #46 Sheep and goats will be separated

MuttleyLaff:
It is not acse of if you cannot read it then forget it, but its a matter of giving you an opportunity to confirm or refute your convictions

Men of quality, self-assured men and/or spirit filled men, are not threatened by seven harmless, simple, easy, direct and straightforward questions, like you are, lol. Shame on you. Just remember that those who [s]add or remove from God's word will face great damanation[/s] dont answer questions, should not be making demands that others should answer their question(s), lol.

I don't have that time, like I said g to the OP or claim could on this link

https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/study-guide/e/4987/t/are-the-dead-really-dead-

Maximus69:
We don't know the identity of the Prince of PEACE yet we are able to gather people from all the nations under the heavens forming a global family of PEACE loving worshippers! John 17:20-23, Micah 4:1-3

Obviously you know better Sir!

Do not be decieved by numbers, The Catholic church has the largest single Christains population but you and I know that they are the mystery Babylon that the book of Revelation talks about.

Likewise JW, what counts is not population or feeling what counts is Adherence to God's word and Statute.

Matthew 7:22
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not
prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out
devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

God cannot change his ways,word or who he is, so it is up to us to change our doctrine to suit God's view and word.


Why
Genesis 26:5 King James Version (KJV)
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my
charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.


This is why Abraham was called God's friend because he obeyed God's word not how he was feeling.

Maximus69:
I've told you times without number that Jesus is God's son!

I don't know your problem with the use of the word "literal"

You just feel like finding fault with God's people simply because you're not humble.

Your ancestors did the same to Jesus accusing him of claiming to be God whereas there is no where Jesus said so! John 10:33

You JW say Jesus is an Angel that God conferred with the title of son, meaning he is not the literal son of God. but an Angel who is playing the role of God's son. that brings to doubt a lot of things like God's love for mankind, what did it cost God to save humanity is it the life of his own son or an Angel playing the role of a son?


John 3:16 King James Version (KJV)
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but
have everlasting

jcross19:
sorry to call you a fool! I said Jesus will not make use of such example if there is no life after death. oh I see you are a Jehovah witness oh I see .
[quote author=jcross19 post=84335634]sorry to call you a fool! I said Jesus will not make use of such example if there is no life after death. oh I see you are a Jehovah witness oh I see .

You are too dumb to be existing honestly.

So you mean God is contradicting himself?

Here is the words of Job concerning the State of the dead.
Job said that if he had died he would had been at rest and like someone who never ever existed.
Job 3:9 Let the stars of the twilight thereof be dark; let it look for light, but have none; neither let it see the dawning of the day: 3:10 Because it shut not up the doors of my mother's womb, nor hid sorrow from mine eyes. 3:11 Why died I not from the womb? why did I not give up the ghost when I came out of the belly? 3:12 Why did the knees prevent me? or why the breasts that I should suck? 3:13 For now should I have lain still and been quiet, I should have slept: then had I been at rest, 3:14 With kings and counsellors of the earth, which built desolate places for themselves; 3:15 Or with princes that had gold, who filled their houses with silver: 3:16 Or as an hidden untimely birth I had not been; as infants which never saw light. 3:17 There the wicked cease from troubling; and there the weary be at rest. 3:18 There the prisoners rest together; they hear not the voice of the oppressor. 3:19 The small and great are there; and the servant is free from his master. 3:20 Wherefore is light given to him that is in misery, and life unto the bitter in soul; 3:21 Which long for death, but it cometh not; and dig for it more than for hid treasures; 3:22 Which rejoice exceedingly, and are glad, when they can find the grave?

crunchyg:
I thought you will ask questions where you got confused but never the less what I told you is how trinity works, I know it will shift your previous reasoning a little bit but take time and reason along what I wrote up there with the bible verses that i quoted and you will find the answers you are looking for

What you wrote is illogical.

crunchyg:
Hello, you are right with some of your assertions, never the less I will try and make you understand more . at first let me show you places I agree with you. 1. That God is the father and Jesus is the son, so they are different persons, yes they are different persons if you look at it physically but mystically they are the same. John 14:11. What I mean by physically and mystically is, let's use husband and wife as an example, 1. physically husband and wife are two different persons but mystically they are one, let me also use example 2. Physically Jesus Christ and the Church are two different entities but mystically the Church and Christ are one John 14:20. So this is how it applies between God and Jesus, physically two different entities, mystically the same entities. If you have any question I will be ready to answer you. Thanks

What you have done is to use words to confuse and disguise the trinity doctrine

MuttleyLaff:
blueAgent, if the answers to those questions can be found in the original post and you know what the answers are please have the good manners to answer them yourself then instead of rudely directing me to an original post for the answers. It is you blueAgent I am interacting and dealing with not some original post somewhere.

If you cannot read it then forget it.

Ihedinobi3:
You have a free will. You have the ability to pretend that something is true when it isn't, that something is false when it isn't, that something has not been explained when it has been, that something has been explained when it has not been, etc.

In other words, I can't argue with you about what you want to believe. If you wish to believe that all your reasonable questions and challenges have not been answered, by all means do so, even if it is obviously not true.

As for the length of my answers, I don't think that any believer thinks that the Bible is meaningless or that it does not know what it is talking about just because it is so voluminous. Nor do I think that the fact that a book has been written about any given subject means that the writer knows nothing about the subject. In fact, I didn't see three or four lines in your post itself. It was quite lengthy. Yet, mine is meaningless and ignorant because it is long.

Believe me, it doesn't bother me what you want to believe. That is entirely your concern. My business is merely to teach the Truth wherever I am given to. You don't have to believe me, not unless you want the benefits that come with doing so.

If, however, you carry on teaching falsehoods that cause the children of God to stumble, you should remember

1 Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come! 2 It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.
Luke 17:1 (KJV)

1 My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.
James 3:1 (KJV)

Shame on you. Just remember that those who add or remove from God's word will face great damanation.

jcross19:
simple question you misquoting bible to suit your miniature sense! the biggest scope to life after death is the story of rich man and Lazarus! read it again. now ecc.12 :7 and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it! ,luke 23:42-43 says- then he said "Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom. 43: Jesus answered him Truly I tell you,today you will be with me in paradise!. now ask yourself is Jesus drunk? how can life end on earth and Jesus promised that criminal life after death. in fact you are confused.

Your brain is too small to understand and comprehend Bible verses.

The story of the rich man and Lazarus is a parable it never happened and should not be taken literally..
for the thief in the Bible the bible recolds that Jesus did not ascend to Heaven after his dearth or even after his ressurection. but he spent 40days on Earth before he was taken to Heaven.

when you look clearly on what the Bible is saying you will understand that Jesus was giving the Thief the assurance of Salvation and of inheriting Heaven.

John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. John 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.


Also people enter Heaven on the last day as Jesus said not immediately after they die.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

MuttleyLaff:
blueAgent these earlier few simple, easy, direct and straightforward questions have resurfaced with one or two more added, were put to you to each and all "conqueringly" answer:
1/ What, between the spirit and the soul, is going to be judged, lol?
2/ If as you claimed, that the spirit is the mind, will, thought, zeal, imagination, then give similar, what the soul is please, lol
3/ What is the distinction or set of distinctions marking the difference between our closely related soul and spirit, lol?
4/ 1 Corinthians 15:45? What to your understanding of that verse, is the glaring difference, in first man named Adam and last Adam's spirits, lol?
5/ Is it true, like you claimed, that it is our bodies that go to Heaven or Hell and not some imaginary soul or spirit, lol?
6/ What, according to your understanding, goes to Heaven or Hell?
7/ Do you believe it is the soul, at resurrection, that goes to Heaven or Hell?

These are questions, if it was me asked, I'll gladly and in a jiff, quickly give my sincere honest and frank answers to. I wouldnt be running scared not wanting to reply to them but be instead, spamming Ihedinobi with spoiling for an argument, unnecessary mentions, seeking occasion for senseless your argument(s) with him

Your modus operandi to simple questions is to, either, misquote them, ignore the questions, run and hide from answering the questions, hide behind a boring and tired phrase like "you are confused" lol. Someone rightly, said to you, that you are confused, which is true, but you without understanding all that means, wants to now use the same line, used for you, on me. What a laugh, smh. Fyi, blueAgent, to be confused can be a good thing sometimes, because having the right kind of confusion, starts the process for developing of wisdom, lol. I am sure you didnt know that, lol.

The answers to those questions avan e found in the OP.[img]

MuttleyLaff:
blueAgent these earlier few simple, easy, direct and straightforward questions have resurfaced with one or two more added, were put to you to each and all "conqueringly" answer:
1/ What, between the spirit and the soul, is going to be judged, lol?
2/ If as you claimed, that the spirit is the mind, will, thought, zeal, imagination, then give similar, what the soul is please, lol
3/ What is the distinction or set of distinctions marking the difference between our closely related soul and spirit, lol?
4/ 1 Corinthians 15:45? What to your understanding of that verse, is the glaring difference, in first man named Adam and last Adam's spirits, lol?
5/ Is it true, like you claimed, that it is our bodies that go to Heaven or Hell and not some imaginary soul or spirit, lol?
6/ What, according to your understanding, goes to Heaven or Hell?
7/ Do you believe it is the soul, at resurrection, that goes to Heaven or Hell?

These are questions, if it was me asked, I'll gladly and in a jiff, quickly give my sincere honest and frank answers to. I wouldnt be running scared not wanting to reply to them but be instead, spamming Ihedinobi with spoiling for an argument, unnecessary mentions, seeking occasion for senseless your argument(s) with him

Your modus operandi to simple questions is to, either, misquote them, ignore the questions, run and hide from answering the questions, hide behind a boring and tired phrase like "you are confused" lol. Someone rightly, said to you, that you are confused, which is true, but you without understanding all that means, wants to now use the same line, used for you, on me. What a laugh, smh. Fyi, blueAgent, to be confused can be a good thing sometimes, because having the right kind of confusion, starts the process for developing of wisdom, lol. I am sure you didnt know that, lol.

The answers to those questions avan e found in the OP.[/img]

MuttleyLaff:
blueAgent these earlier few simple, easy, direct and straightforward questions have resurfaced with one or two more added, were put to you to each and all "conqueringly" answer:
1/ What, between the spirit and the soul, is going to be judged, lol?
2/ If as you claimed, that the spirit is the mind, will, thought, zeal, imagination, then give similar, what the soul is please, lol
3/ What is the distinction or set of distinctions marking the difference between our closely related soul and spirit, lol?
4/ 1 Corinthians 15:45? What to your understanding of that verse, is the glaring difference, in first man named Adam and last Adam's spirits, lol?
5/ Is it true, like you claimed, that it is our bodies that go to Heaven or Hell and not some imaginary soul or spirit, lol?
6/ What, according to your understanding, goes to Heaven or Hell?
7/ Do you believe it is the soul, at resurrection, that goes to Heaven or Hell?

These are questions, if it was me asked, I'll gladly and in a jiff, quickly give my sincere honest and frank answers to. I wouldnt be running scared not wanting to reply to them but be instead, spamming Ihedinobi with spoiling for an argument, unnecessary mentions, seeking occasion for senseless your argument(s) with him

Your modus operandi to simple questions is to, either, misquote them, ignore the questions, run and hide from answering the questions, hide behind a boring and tired phrase like "you are confused" lol. Someone rightly, said to you, that you are confused, which is true, but you without understanding all that means, wants to now use the same line, used for you, on me. What a laugh, smh. Fyi, blueAgent, to be confused can be a good thing sometimes, because having the right kind of confusion, starts the process for developing of wisdom, lol. I am sure you didnt know that, lol.

The answers to those questions avan e found in the OP.

Ihedinobi3:
I'm not sure why you addressed this to me. I did mention Genesis 2:7 and Ecclesiastes 12:7 in my follow-up questions to you on Page 1. I hold that man is a soul because he is a spirit that lives in an unresurrected body. That is what I see the Bible teach.

What I don't see the Bible teach anywhere is that man goes out of existence when he dies. That's what I've been asking you to show how the Bible teaches. Your responses have been nothing but insults and unrelated questions. In other words, you have no proof. You have only been twisting Scriptures to sell a lie.

And I asked you to show me proof that the spirit lives after death.

How can the dead know nothing when their spirit is alive?

Maximus69:
My friend.

If your landlord introduce his son (heir) to all his properties to all the tenants residing in his vast estate saying
"This is my son, he's going to become your landlord henceforth, i want you all to cooperate with him because he knew everything that can make you live happily and securely in the estate"

Please judge for yourself, between those PRACTICING what the son says and those shouting his name in the streets without obeying him, who is doing what your landlord wanted? Matthew 7:21-23

Whether you call Jesus your gateman, cleaner, laundry man, gardener, driver, house help or any other thing that comes to your mouth, observers will know what Jesus meant to you when you refused to do anything with your own initiative except what Jesus said!

Of course they'll say "he claims the guy is his house help, but from the look of things it's obvious that the so called house help is his Master"

It's not what Jehovah's Witnesses calls Jesus that matters anymore now but how they are able to put his words into action? Matthew 5:14-16, 7:24-27

So wake up from your spiritual slumbering!

You people are confused, how can you put into action the words of someone you don't know his identity?

Maximus69:
With this your DIVINITY problem, just go back and join the trinitarians. They're waiting for you!

For your information, Jehovah's Witnesses have published several publications that's used in training their members to be effective preachers and teachers. Of course you will say they're not getting it right but all evidences is pointing to the fact that THEY ARE GLOBALLY DOING THE NEEDFUL AS FOLLOWERS OF CHRIST

So if you're still arguing after seeing their publications that's based on the life and ministry of Jesus, then you can go and do the WORK Jesus commissioned in a better way, of course the world is watching you! Matthew 5:14-16

Am not a trinitarians but I would never accept someone claiming that Jesus is not the literal son of God.

orisa37:
No

What is NO?

MuttleyLaff:
"I understand your confusion you seem to believe the lie that the Soul or spirit of man is what goes to Heaven or Hell.
That's not true, all this false teachings were brought into Christaintity by pagans.
The truth is, it is our bodies that go to Heaven or Hell and not some imaginary soul or spirit"
- Re: Do Man And Satan Have Immortality? by blueAgent(m): 8:16am On Nov 16

"What do you think is the Soul?
and if what goes to Heaven or Hell is the soul then why do we have a resurrection?"
- Religion / Re: Do Man And Satan Have Immortality? by blueAgent(m): 9:28pm On Nov 18

Please dont insult me by saying that it's obvious I did not read the article and that I just jumped into the argument and dont patronise me with saying to m: "you can refer back to the OP to understand what a Soul is" because I did, with great eagerness and/or enthusiasm read every single comment you made on this thread, I then, was about going to order a chilled bottle of orijin plus a truckload of kolanuts for you, but then you started dropping embarrassing clangers, some like with the above emboldened and/or underlined text, at where you began to introduce some of the confusion kumulus observed of you and you even displayed your unawareness of simple facts about the physiology of man's body, soul and spirit.

As I've previously said before, I was enjoying and liking your each of your posts until when scrolling upwards to read more, I bumped into you confusing yourself that already decayed and/or decomposed human being bodies will make heaven or the lake of fire. You actually typed that its a lie that the soul or spirit of man is what goes to Heaven or Hell. I balked at that point in time, and said to myself, blueAgent at this point ooo, YOYO, as in meaning, blueAgent you're on your own, lol, me I no get hands for the mata with you.

For information, what all the interested parties are after, is the soul of man. It is not the body the body of man they are after, it is not the spirit of man they are after. It simply is the soul. It is why God, is in the business of paid the price for human souls and the devil equally, is so much interested in human souls too, lol. It really somewhat looks like, it is a race to the end, for the souls of man, lol

Matthew 10:28 states "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Instead, fear the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell." The "body in hell" in that verse applies to the bodies that havent gone through the state or process of rotting or decomposition and become dust, through the action of bacteria, fungi, ants etcetera, lol.

blueAgent the earlier few simple, easy, direct and straightforward questions have resurfaced with one or two more added for you to all "conqueringly" answer, lol:
1/ What, between the spirit and the soul, is going to be judged, lol?
2/ If as you claimed, that the spirit is the mind, will, thought, zeal, imagination, then give similar, what the soul is please, lol
3/ What is the distinction or set of distinctions marking the difference between our closely related soul and spirit, lol?
4/ 1 Corinthians 15:45? What to your understanding of that verse, is the glaring difference, in first man named Adam and last Adam's spirits, lol?
5/ Is it true, like you claimed, that it is our bodies that go to Heaven or Hell and not some imaginary soul or spirit, lol?
6/ What, according to your understanding, goes to Heaven or Hell?
7/ Do you believe it is the soul, at resurrection, that goes to Heaven or Hell?

These are questions, if it was me asked, I'll gladly and in a jiff give my sincere honest and frank answers to. I wouldnt be running scared not wanting to reply to them or be instead, spamming Ihedinobi3 with your spoiling for an argument, unnecessary mentions, seeking occasion for argument(s)

You are confused.

jcross19:
if there is no such thing like life after death Jesus would have not made such comparison!

Show me in this verses where there is hint of life after death.



If the righteou are alive why would they not be praising God ?

Psalm 146:4 ESV
When his breath departs, he returns to the earth; on that very day his plans perish.


Ecclesiastes 9:5 ESV
For the living know that they will die, but the dead know
nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of
them is forgotten.

Maximus69:
Your question simply reveals how degraded your thinking skills!

Jehovah's Witnesses preach from house to house! Matthew 10:11-15, Act 20:20

Jehovah's Witnesses disarmed all their members so that none learns how to kill anymore! Matthew 26:52, Micah 4:3

Jehovah's Witnesses do not participate in Politics! John 6:15, 17:14-16

Jehovah's Witnesses ensure there is LOVE, JOY and PEACE in their midst! John 13:34-35, Galatians 5:22

Jehovah's Witnesses refrain from all umbilical festivities! 1Corinthians 10:20-21

Jehovah's Witnesses maintains monogamy in marriage! Titus 1:6

Jehovah's Witnesses ensure their youths aren't peculiar to Juvenile delinquency! Ephesians 6:1-3

Jehovah's Witnesses are the number one group talking about obedience to superior authorities! Romans 13:1

Is this how you fight for your God with prejudicial comments and bold lies? Act 24:5

I'm sorry for you Sir!

Crap.

Even Atheist practice all this things you mentioned.

Please explain to me how you people are not different from pagans with regards to the divinity of Jesus.

jcross19:
if there is no such thing like life after death Jesus would have not made such comparison!

The Bible let. annot be broken neither can the word of God contradicts itself.

The word of God is clear the dead know nothing.

You claim that their is life after death but the Bible says those who are dead are at rest

Revelation 14:13
13 Then I heard a voice from heaven say, “Write this:
Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.”
“Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labor, for
their deeds will follow them.”

Revelation 14:13
13 Then I heard a voice from heaven say, “Write this:
Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.”
“Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labor, for
their deeds will follow them.”


Psalm 146:4 ESV
When his breath departs, he returns to the earth; on that very
day his plans perish.

Psalm 146:4 ESV
When his breath departs, he returns to the earth; on that very
day his plans perish.


Psalm 146:4 ESV
When his breath departs, he returns to the earth; on that very
day his plans perish.

Here is a typical example of God creating man just like in the Genesis account Man becomes a living Soul when the body(dust) meets with the breath or life force from God which is the spirit.

The both examples no where was a soul added as claimed by false teachers.




Ezekiel 37:3 And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord GOD, thou knowest. 37:4 Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the LORD. 37:5 Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live: 37:6 And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the LORD. 37:7 So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone. 37:8 And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them. 37:9 Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live. 37:10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.

Ihedinobi3

Maximus69:
Can you please explain the correlation between your comment and this quotation?

What has "Jesus coming in the flesh" got to do with your argument?

What have you been doing to support the notion that JESUS CAME IN THE FLESH?


Learn what it means!
©He has a handiwork! Mark 6:3
©He was poor materially speaking! Luke 9:58, 2Corinthians 8:9
©He hungered while serving God! Mark 11:12, John 4:33, Luke 4:2
©He was social! John 2:1-2
©He drinks alcoholic beverages (responsibly)! Luke 7:31-35
©He had human feelings! John 11:35
©He was abused, mocked, slapped, beating, accused, charged, sentenced and executed like a normal human!

So if any group claiming Christians are trying to portray Jesus as a person who never lived as normal humans (IN THE FLESH), such a religious group is of Satan the deceiver.

That's the import of what you just quoted, so how does it correlates with what you're saying there?

And that's what Jehovah's Witnesses have been trying to help you understand. Jesus was God's son just like Adam! Luke 3:38

The only difference there is that Jesus set fine example by remaining obedient even in the face of excruciating torture, while Adam fall YAKATA at the slightest test of faith because he wants to be with his wife! 1Timothy 2:14

So if your religion is not teaching you that you too can stand firm like Jesus, that means they're trying to tell you that (he was able to pass the test because HE IS NOT HUMAN like you, meaning he did not experience what THE FLESH is passing through)

So you are pretending not to know your Church opinion about Jesus?

Your Church denies that Jesus is the literal son of God hence they're deny the father and son which makes them Anti-Christ.
Not my word but that of God.