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Hairyrapunzel:
They will soon tell you that the husband is superior to the wife

No be small thing.

Maximus69:
Hmmmmmmmmm,

This is why i told you "you need Jehovah's Witnesses to help you out"

If by now you still find it difficult to DEFINE SIN, then you really really need to study the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses!

For your information, SIN was whatever God's faithful prophets kick against that's why the scriptures from Genesis to Malachi was considered as the LAW. Because whatever any of God's prophets abhor is known as SIN!

But today God's only begotten son {John 3:16} who has been with the father from the beginning {John 1:1,18} has REDEFINED SIN by his WORDS, THOUGHTS and ACTIONS!

So you and i have to erase whatever imperfect humans who served as prophets taught Israelites in the past regarding SIN {Galatians 3:10-14} and fully comply with whatever protrudes out of the mouth of God's only begotten son "JESUS"! {Hebrew 1:1-2} Because the covenant between God and the Israelites through which those laws came into existence DOESN'T CONCERN YOU, since you're from another race!

Jesus is now in charge of all matters, including the judgment of both the living (you and i) and the dead (all Adam's descendants including those so called prophets), that's why his faithful followers calls Jesus "LORD" Act 2:36 !

So my friend, in a nutshell (SIN) is whatever Jesus abhors' that's why you need to be in the midst of those earnestly studying the Bible to assimilate the life and ministry of Jesus, that's the only means to unravel the works of Satan (SIN)! 1John 3:8

You are really confused

But that same Jesus you said we should fellow what he said and how he redefined the law told someone to observe the law inorder to inherit eternal life.

Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 19:20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

Secondly was it not that same law that Jesus told his disciples that anyone that removes anything from the law will punished.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Maximus69:
My friend,
I'll be guiltless for FORNICATION and STEALING if Jesus had taught me how to do the two!

You're no longer at EASE because you find it really difficult to refute what i'm typing!

That's FRUSTRATION!

Well FRUSTRATION comes when you're battling to establish what is not true or when you're trying to refute what is obvious!

I wanted to leave you with your TRINITY friends but you keep quoting me as if you can REFUTE WHAT I'M TYPING!

For your information i'm one of God's servants today!
Silencing falsehood by the words of our mouth is our heritage.
So do not be amazed that you find it extremely difficult to CONDEMN our form of righteousness, it due to the fact that our righteousness is from JEHOVAH the "one and only TRUE GOD"! Isaiah 54:17

Lol........I can stop laughing at you

You got yourself boxed into a corner am not the one that is fustrated but you, I only asked a simple question.


Let me expose your naivety. why it is difficult for you to answer me is because fornication is a sin, and sin can only be know or defined by the law of God(10 commandments) so if you claim Jesus did away with the law or we are no Longer expected to observe the law then why is stealing , killing, or fornication still a sin?
Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Romans 4:15
Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is
no transgression.

“sin is not imputedwhere there is no law(Rom 5:13)


You need to humble yourself and acknowledge that you know nothing in Bible doctrine rather than box yourself into a corner you cannot come out from

Maximus69:
It is IMPOSSIBLE!

Impossible has no meaning nor does it answer the question.
Why is fornication wrong or stealing?

Maximus69:
You hastily concluded something is wrong when you've not meditated thoroughly on the material presented to you!

Well God never raised any law above the others, there was nothing like superiority in all the over 600 laws God commanded Moses to write down for the children of Israel, whoever omits any of those laws is equally guilty of all! Joshua 8:43

God purposely penned down TEN of the laws on a stone tablet for two main reasons!
Firstly there was no nation under the heavens back then that's having such massive laws, so for the Israelites and their descendants to believe and continue remembering that those laws are divine God penned TEN down with his own fingers! It was to serve as a reminder for their generations after generations.

Secondly God instructed the Israelites to inculcate and impress those laws in hearts of their sons and daughters including the infants in their midst {Deuteronomy 6:6-9, 2Timothy 3:15} you and i know that there is no way an infant can memorize all that so it will be lot easier for their little ones and a stranger in their midst to quickly learn and remember "the first TEN" just as your little child could recite 1~10 offhand!

For your information Sir, all the scriptures from Genesis to Malachi was considered God's laws because whatever each prophet said or did is impressed in the hearts of the people as part of what they needed to know!

It was the Samaritans who refused to accept any other book as inspired apart from the five books of Moses, that was why Jesus told them "You worship what you do not know (Satan the deceiver) we worship what we know (Jehovah the true God) salvation originates with the Jews" John 4:22

So when Jesus summarized everything into two laws he is telling his own followers that [b]there is no reason for any laws (commandments) if they're able to LOVE the true God and their neighbours, that's what he meant when he said "on these TWO (laws) all the (over 600) laws and the prophets HANGS!" Matthew 22:40

Notice what Jesus said there, "on these two all the laws HANGS and the PROPHETS" If Adam and Eve have practiced these TWO there won't be any need for any ADDITIONAL laws! Genesis 2:16-17

According to what Moses taught them, anyone that HANGS is CURSED! Numbers 25:4, Deuteronomy 21:22-23, Joshua 10:26
That's why Apostle Paul said "Christ is THE END of the law to those who believes" Romans 10:4
Meaning "All those laws seizes to exist IN THE LIFE OF CHRISTIANS, Christians need not study the laws that served as a covenant between God and Israelites but Jesus Christ (the mediator of another covenant)" Jeremiah 31:31-34 compared to Galatians 3:18-26

So my friend, Jesus has CANCELLED all those laws(commandments) and replaced them with just two, that's the reason why the Jews who so much cherish those laws rejected the Christ whom Moses (the mediator of the law covenant) already told them that is coming to teach them what they must do to gain salvation(Paradise)! Deuteronomy 18:15-18

If truthfully you believe in Jesus Christ, you have NO BUSINESS with the old covenant (Mosaic laws) Christ is our own law! Romans 10:4

God bless you Sir!

This pure story telling.


My friend define Sin.

Maximus69:
Hmmmmmmmmm.

It's you that needed to readjust your thinking Sir!

You can't MASTER the two together, you must leave one for the other. You can't be known as a zealous, industrious, dedicated preacher and teacher of God's word in YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, and at the same time involved in those things!

That's why as a true Christian, YOU MUST GO, MEET THEM IN THEIR HOMES AND KNOCK ON PEOPLE'S DOORS in your neighborhood! Just imagine sleeping around with different men or ladies and at the same time the same you now carry you bag to go and knock on the door of the guy or lady whose wife or husband you're sleeping with!

Jesus did not do any of those things so if you're following his footsteps you will find it extremely difficult to engage in it! Romans 7:21-25

This is not like shouting in their streets like a nuisance without allowing anyone to QUESTION YOU!

It's either you're following those loyally doing the right thing and hypocritically hiding in their midst, but for you to be known (popular) in your neighborhood actively practicing both, sorry it's impossible!

That's why Jehovah's Witnesses always encourage each and every member to make himself known within his/her neighborhood as one of Jehovah's Witnesses {1Timothy 4:15} because when people living in your neighborhood notice you practice any of those things it's them that will call your attention and tell you "certainly you're not one of them", why worrying and giving yourself headache on something you can't do!

It's OK if you wish to go to heaven but that's not the purpose why God created humans to be getting married here on earth {Luke 30:35-36} it came in to resolve an issue, those going to heaven will never get married because they will no more live in the flesh!

Please be precise why can't I induge in such things?

Maximus69:
That's Jesus' statement Sir!

He is the same person who replaced all the over 600 laws given to the Israelites with just two! Matthew 22:36-40
As his ministry intensified most people began agreeing with his idea! Luke 10:25-28

If you're able to LOVE God~ use your time to read, study, meditate and pray persistently to him.
And if you're able to LOVE your neighbor~ spend time with them to help them do the same.

Jesus said you're good to go for EVERLASTING LIFE! John 13:34-35

I know you'll be shocked when i joyfully say AMEN to what you said, because you uttered it with something else in mind NOT knowing that it's a blessing for righteous servants of God who are as confident as a LION! Revelations 5:5

It's obvious you don't know what you are saying.

What if I read the Bible, pray to God, mediate,study and also spend time with my neighbors doing the same thing but I commit fornication, adultery, I lie, steal, envy others and use the name of God in vain. will I still go to Heaven?

If Not why?

Ihedinobi3:
You'll need to refer to my previous posts to find out which challenges. I did spell them out as clearly as I could from the beginning.

As for your second question, please read my previous posts to see what I actually said about the soul. As for what can be proven in the Bible, I think that it is obvious that you have no biblical arguments for your position. The fact that you have not addressed my arguments, preferring instead to try to drag me into an exchange of insults, is proof enough of that.

As for your questions, I was the challenger here. I came and asked you to prove that your teaching is biblical by showing you passages in the Bible that contradicted your position. You did not give any good answers. I proceeded on my own to provide an alternative interpretation of the Scriptures regarding the issue, and I answered every reasonable question that you asked challenging my interpretation. What questions I refused to answer I explained why I refused to answer.

I realize that you are quarrelsome and you are spoiling for a fight, but I have neither time nor energy for that. You have people here who have been more than happy to indulge your appetite for it, so you really don't need me to join in the fray. I have no doubt that your position is pure heresy. I also have no doubt that you know it and simply don't care. So, I have no interest in trying to persuade you to believe anything different than you do. I am happy to simply demonstrate that you are teaching a false doctrine here so that anyone who loves the Truth and comes here will not be deceived by you. That's all.

Prophet Isaiah also prayed the same prayer to God.

Isaiah 38:18 For the grave cannot praise thee, death can not celebrate thee: they that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth. Isaiah 38:19 The living, the living, he shall praise thee, as I do this day: the father to the children shall make known thy truth.

Psalms 115:17 The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence. in

Ihedinobi3:
You'll need to refer to my previous posts to find out which challenges. I did spell them out as clearly as I could from the beginning.

As for your second question, please read my previous posts to see what I actually said about the soul. As for what can be proven in the Bible, I think that it is obvious that you have no biblical arguments for your position. The fact that you have not addressed my arguments, preferring instead to try to drag me into an exchange of insults, is proof enough of that.

As for your questions, I was the challenger here. I came and asked you to prove that your teaching is biblical by showing you passages in the Bible that contradicted your position. You did not give any good answers. I proceeded on my own to provide an alternative interpretation of the Scriptures regarding the issue, and I answered every reasonable question that you asked challenging my interpretation. What questions I refused to answer I explained why I refused to answer.

I realize that you are quarrelsome and you are spoiling for a fight, but I have neither time nor energy for that. You have people here who have been more than happy to indulge your appetite for it, so you really don't need me to join in the fray. I have no doubt that your position is pure heresy. I also have no doubt that you know it and simply don't care. So, I have no interest in trying to persuade you to believe anything different than you do. I am happy to simply demonstrate that you are teaching a false doctrine here so that anyone who loves the Truth and comes here will not be deceived by you. That's all.

This is a prayer of David to God, asking that God should deliver him while he is still alive
The question is why is David saying that the dead including him David when he dies, would not be able to praise God, if the spirit lives on after death reason of affliction: LORD, I have called daily upon thee, I have stretched out my hands unto thee. 88:10 Wilt thou shew wonders to the dead? shall the dead arise and praise thee? Selah. 88:11 Shall thy lovingkindness be declared in the grave? or thy faithfulness in destruction? 88:12 Shall thy wonders be known in the dark? and thy righteousness in the land of forgetfulness? 88:13 But unto thee have I cried, O LORD; and in the morning shall my prayer prevent thee.ouldn't the spirit of David continue to praise God.

Afterall the same David decleared that he will praise God everyday.

Psalms 145:2 Every day will I bless thee; and I will praise thy name

Or wouldn't God show his wonders to the spirits of David?

David explicitly called the dead the land of forgetfull ness.
Which is in agreement with what Solomon his son wrote years later.

Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. 9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.


Here is David's prayer


Psalms 88:9 Mine eye mourneth by reason of affliction: LORD, I have called daily upon thee, I have stretched out my hands unto thee. 88:10 Wilt thou shew wonders to the dead? shall the dead arise and praise thee? Selah. 88:11 Shall thy lovingkindness be declared in the grave? or thy faithfulness in destruction? 88:12 Shall thy wonders be known in the dark? and thy righteousness in the land of forgetfulness? 88:13 But unto thee have I cried, O LORD; and in the morning shall my prayer prevent thee.

Maximus69:
That's Jesus' statement Sir!

He is the same person who replaced all the over 600 laws given to the Israelites with just two! Matthew 22:36-40
As his ministry intensified most people began agreeing with his idea! Luke 10:25-28

If you're able to LOVE God~ use your time to read, study, meditate and pray persistently to him.
And if you're able to LOVE your neighbor~ spend time with them to help them do the same.

Jesus said you're good to go for EVERLASTING LIFE! John 13:34-35

I know you'll be shocked when i joyfully say AMEN to what you said, because you uttered it with something else in mind NOT knowing that it's a blessing for righteous servants of God who are as confident as a LION! Revelations 5:5

You are wrong Jesus never did away with all the commandments, especially the ten commandments.

You fail to understand that the 2 new commandments that people assume that Jesus gave were not different from the 10commandments.
Rather than be 2 new commandments the 2 commandments were a summary of the ten commandments.
When one loves God he will fulfill his obligation to God which are the first 5 commandments and if one love his neighbor he will fulfill the remaining 5 which are are demonstration of his love for his neighbor.

Some Bible verses to ponder on.
Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 22:38 This is the first and great commandment. 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.


Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Ihedinobi3:
You'll need to refer to my previous posts to find out which challenges. I did spell them out as clearly as I could from the beginning.

As for your second question, please read my previous posts to see what I actually said about the soul. As for what can be proven in the Bible, I think that it is obvious that you have no biblical arguments for your position. The fact that you have not addressed my arguments, preferring instead to try to drag me into an exchange of insults, is proof enough of that.

As for your questions, I was the challenger here. I came and asked you to prove that your teaching is biblical by showing you passages in the Bible that contradicted your position. You did not give any good answers. I proceeded on my own to provide an alternative interpretation of the Scriptures regarding the issue, and I answered every reasonable question that you asked challenging my interpretation. What questions I refused to answer I explained why I refused to answer.

I realize that you are quarrelsome and you are spoiling for a fight, but I have neither time nor energy for that. You have people here who have been more than happy to indulge your appetite for it, so you really don't need me to join in the fray. I have no doubt that your position is pure heresy. I also have no doubt that you know it and simply don't care. So, I have no interest in trying to persuade you to believe anything different than you do. I am happy to simply demonstrate that you are teaching a false doctrine here so that anyone who loves the Truth and comes here will not be deceived by you. That's all.

I laugh at you.

Let's keep it simple what is your position on the Immortality of the soul or spirit?

Ihedinobi3:
I don't think you did. I only saw you reiterating the position that I was challenging, not answering the challenges that I offered to you.

But, no matter, it really would be a waste of my time and energy to engage any further. I don't think you will or can answer my challenges any better than you have done.

Which challenges?
That the Soul lives after death, which cannot be proven in the Bible or is that the spirit is immortal?
Where you able to answer any of my questions?

Maximus69:
I'm claiming this as my portion!

So i'll say "AMEN in Jesus name!"

Don't claim anything without obeying God's word you cannot prove you love him, that's God's word not my.


◄ John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments;

Wavvywind:
Goat that cannot leave Barcelona or win major titles for his country, is that one a goat?

Ok let's do a detailed exercise with who they scored against.

These tiers are my own view so feel free to comment on them.


Historical Giants

Brazil

Uruguay

Spain

France

Germany

Portugal (let's pretend plz)

Netherlands

Argentina


In this tier, Messi scored 14 goals in 32 games while Ronaldo scored 8 goals in 25 games.

In friendlies Messi scored 10 goals in 14 games while Ronaldo scored 1 goal in 10 games.

In competitive games Messi scored 4 goals in 18 games while Ronaldo scored 7 goals in 15 games.

All the competitive goals Messi scored were against Uruguay in WC qualifiers. No goals in final stages of the tournaments.



Strong teams

Paraguay

Colombia

Chile

Switzerland

Mexico

Croatia

Serbia-Montenegro / Serbia

Sweden

Belgium

Denmark

Russia

Greece

Poland

Czech Republic


In this tier Messi scored 20 goals, 13 in competitive and 7 in friendlies.

Ronaldo scored 23 goals, 20 in competitive and 3 in friendlies.



Medium teams

Venezuela

Ecuador

Bolivia

Nigeria

Algeria

Peru

Iran

United States

Slovenia

Bosnia-Herzegovina

Hungary

Northern Ireland

Cameroon

Egypt

Finland

Ghana

Iceland

Morocco

Slovakia

Ukraine

Wales


In this tier Messi scored 21 goals, 16 in competitive and 5 in friendlies

Ronaldo scored 22 goals, 16 in competitive and 6 in friendlies.



Weak teams

Panama

Haiti

Guatemala

Hong Kong

Nicaragua

Albania

Lithuania

Andorra

Armenia

Latvia

Luxembourg

Estonia

Faroe Islands

Azerbaijan

Cyprus

Kazakhstan

Saudi Arabia

New Zealand

North Korea


In this tier Messi scored 14 goals, 3 in competitive and 11 in friendlies.

Ronaldo scored 46 goals, 40 in competitive and 6 in friendlies.





So, if you ignore the badmouthed weak team tiers this is their numbers:


Messi: 55 goals, 33 in competitive and 22 in friendlies

Ronaldo: 53 goals, 43 in competitive and 10 in friendlies




Now let's also remove the medium tier to have only giants and strong teams


Messi: 34 goals, 17 in competitive and 17 in friendlies

Ronaldo: 31 goals, 27 in competitive and 4 in friendlies



What, shocking! Ronaldo scores basically the same as Messi vs strong teams, but he actually does it in competitive games!



But Messi has 14 goals against the giant tier while Ronaldo has only 8 goals. Messi needed 32 games for that (0.4375 goals per game) while Ronaldo needed 25 (0.32 gpg).

But if we go competitive the tables turn dramatically! Messi has 4 goals in 18 games (0.22 gpg, and no goal in final stages of competitions) while Ronaldo has 7 goals in 15 games (0.466 gpg, all in final stages).

So another shocking horror: in competitive games vs the giants Ronaldo has more than twice the goal ratio of Messi!

Those friendlies, got to catch 'em all

crap analysis

Maximus69:
Hmmmmmmmmm,

The Pharisees were so stringent with God's command that they couldn't see the purpose of the commandments in the first place! Mark 12:28-34

They were quoting the scriptures yet there was no evidence of God's holy spirit working what is fine anywhere in Israel, until Jesus came and established Christianity. Till today, most Jews are still sceptical about who Jesus truly is, whether they're to accept what he said about himself and what his followers said about him. That's almost two thousand years after God has used the Christians to ACCOMPLISH his purposes!

My friend, God is not giving people commands unreasonably, the laws (commands) were made after God created man, so the law was made for man and not the other way round! Mark 2:27

Jesus made it clear in his teachings that if man is able to love God and his neighbours, he has FULFILLED all necessary requirements! Matthew 22:40 compared to Romans 10:2-4

Jesus taught us to make peace with our neighbors and be prepared for God's kingdom when we will all work together as a family to make the earth a Paradise!

So if you are alive today to see a religious group claiming Christians out of thousands of other religious groups, and this outstanding group is able to form a global happy family of peace loving worshippers after catching people from different nations under the heavens, i think you should joyfully thank God that you are alive as an eyewitness when God's word is fulfilled! Micah 4:1-3

This is not the time to start quoting God's word against those fulfilling God's purpose, that's why Apostle Paul said "if you're able to see a group amongst whom LOVE, JOY, PEACE and other attributes of God's holy spirit is working, stop thinking of quoting any laws AGAINST THEM!" Galatians 5:22-23

Your argument about who or what Jesus stand for is useless if NOTHING is achieved with all your arguments, God purpose is what you're to focus on now and who are those fulfilling it!

The earth is gradually becoming a Paradise with all that Jehovah's Witnesses have achieved!

They have form one government globally (Governing Body) for all their members!

They've managed to gather over 8,500,000 loyal individuals together as obedient subjects who are fully prepared to take instructions!

They have settled all the racial prejudice in their midst, when others still kill themselves for racial differences!

They're prepared to start visiting people in their neighborhood, a sign that when resurrection begins there are fully competent and completely equipped workers who will go and teach the resurrected ones how to live in Paradise!

So if you're now arguing that they don't get who Jesus is or what he stands for, please what is the essence of your arguments?

On the last day God will judge you based on how many people you loved?

Ihedinobi3:
As you said, the Scriptures cannot be broken. So, I don't believe that any part of the Bible can contradict any other. That was why I provided passages in the Bible that disagreed with your interpretation of these ones that you have shown here and others like them. Then I also went on to provide an interpretation that accounts for everything the Bible has to say about all this.

You have not actually addressed my arguments at all. As I said, you have tried rather to drag me into an exchange of insults and accusations/counter accusations. You have dismissed my arguments right out of hand too. But you have not actually looked at what I have said and what I have shown you from the Bible that disagrees with your doctrine.

I don't really care what you want to believe and teach. That is really your business, and I have no right or interest in interferring in your exercise of your free will. I have only interfered here because you are teaching this in public space where I am also responsible to offer protection for believers who come around these parts. My interference is purely to leave a witness to the Truth here for those who could be misled by you. If they accept my testimony, they will be safe. If they do not, they won't be.

I am done with our exchange. I will not be responding again to you.

Are you running away?

I exposed the Inconsistency of your argument and you could not defend yourself.

crunchyg:
Suit yourself

God is not an author of confusion, if you cannot explain it than it is a fraud.

MuttleyLaff:
Who'd have imagined it eh? That you'd get this right. Of course, I cannot match your the level of ignorance, that you've successfully managed to upandan display on this thread, not just to me, but to other posters as well too, lol.

I know I cannot match you, and that simply is because your words dont match and/or dont add up. You are confused and confusing yourself. Tbh, you should be ashamed to be threatened by seven harmless, simple, easy, direct and straightforward questions. You're the man who truly believed in his own hype, to the extent that you're now trying your damn hard, to get others buy into the hype as well. You're ignorant of what and all you dont know. Mister man, your highest knowledge, is no match for my lowest wisdom. Go siddon in corner somewhere faraway jor. Or just comot for thread ojaare, you think say, na by muscles, pesin dey take stand príck ni. Smh.

1/ How and what do, these your ressurreted people, who were dead and judged appear as, before being sent to Heaven or Hell?
2/ What happens to the soul after physical death?
3/ What happens to the spirit after physical death?
4/ What are resurrected humans going to be raised up as?

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"I understand your confusion you seem to believe the lie that the Soul or spirit of man is what goes to Heaven or Hell.
That's not true, all this false teachings were brought into Christaintity by pagans.
The truth is, it is our bodies that go to Heaven or Hell and not some imaginary soul or spirit"
- Re: Do Man And Satan Have Immortality? by blueAgent(m): 8:16am On Nov 16

"First you need to understand that the word spirit when used in the Bible can mean 3 different things *Which are a living being like God, Angels,
*It can mean the mind, will, thought, zeal, imagination"
- Re: Do Man And Satan Have Immortality? by blueAgent(m): 7:38pm On Nov 17

"What do you think is the Soul?
and if what goes to Heaven or Hell is the soul then why do we have a resurrection?"
- Religion / Re: Do Man And Satan Have Immortality? by blueAgent(m): 9:28pm On Nov 18

"How does that explain or mean that the spirit taken by God are still existing?"
- Re: Do Man And Satan Have Immortality? by blueAgent(m): 11:15pm On Nov 19

Would you imagine, small time now, blueAgent will say OP isnt read. blueAgent fyi, at 7:38pm On Nov 17, you claimed the spirit is the mind, will, thought, zeal, imagination. Now, today, at 7:13pm, you say "soul comes to life which is their thoughts, mind physce, perception." You typed "there" but we know you meant "their" hence the edit, done on your behalf. OK, back on track, this is what happens when you dont know or dont want to make your own cheese. You are lazy, and that how or why you get caught in mixing up different bottles of cow milk. Your copying and pasting, word for word, from websites online betrays a lack of power to form thoughts in your head. It betrays a lack of ability to use your own brain to say things clearly and distinctly using your own words or wording. You gulp down hook, line and sinker other peoples work and even have the audacity to present them here withouting crediting the authors. It is when you now want to express the thoughts, ideology, theology, concept etcetera that you trip over you own shoelaces because you never in the first place, gave any of the thoughts, ideology, theology, concept etcetera your own insightful thinking, in the first instance

Nothing can be found in your OP, except that we find you're lost and buried under the weight of the haystack of confusion you with your own hands got yourself into. You are to be found in confused.com land,lol. I find it cringeworthy reading your blind arguments

You are a sick.

There nothing I wrote here that contradicts my OP.
A major reason for this misunderstanding is that people fail to
understand what the Bible refers to as a soul or a spirit.
In the Bible a spirit can refer or mean 3 different things.
*A living being:God is a spirit, Angels,Demons & Satan are
spirits Heb12:9,Heb 1:7, Leviticus 20:27
*It can also be used to refer to the breath of life in Man or
animals
James 2:26,Job 33:4,Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust
return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto
God who gave it.
*It can also be used to refer to a persons will, capacity,
countenance,reasoning, mind,intellect,zeal,thoughts,visions or
dreams.Gen6:3,Genesis 41:8, Exdous 31:3,Exdous 35:31.
Isaiah 40:13 ...'Who has directed the Spirit of the LORD, or
being his counsellor has taught him?'
Romans 11:34 ...'For who has known the mind of the Lord?
Or
who has been his counsellor?'
Also the Soul in the Bible refers to 3 different things.
* A living person or animal.genesis12:15,genesis 46:18
* Life force or life of a person
Genesis 35:18
* Faculty or reasoning or intellect of a person,mind,thoughts.
songs of Solomon 1:7,3:1, Isaiah 26:8&9.
As we can see no where in the Bible does the spirit or soul of
a person mean something that has immortality or that can
exist on its own.the Bible also inform us that the Dead know
nothing neither there soul or spirit is concoius of anything as
erroneously taught to people.
Man is nothing more but clay or dust powered by the spirit of
God
Life is what makes us a Soul.

crunchyg:
Physically (individually) trinity doesn't exist but Mystically (togetherness) trinity exist. If you can't understand at this point, sorry I don't know how else to explain it to you. Maybe you go to holy spirit and ask him to explain more to you

Trash.

The reason why you cannot explain it is because it does not exist and it is a total fraud.

crunchyg:
Go back to my original post

I still don't understand your argument with regards to the trinity doctrine.

Maximus69:
Ask people around you Sir about Jehovah's Witnesses!

Even though they hate us {John 17:14-16} they can't hide the TRUTH about the LOVE in our midst, they'll tell you "if it's LOVE, forget it Jehovah's Witnesses have LOVE amongst themselves" John 13:34-35

I served for almost two decades in the military, i and my colleagues from any part of the world know that it's only Jehovah's Witnesses that have what could be called LOVE amongst them.
Don't think it's because i'm now one of them, i made it my own after seeing all these with my own eyes.

So it's not a matter of saying "what you people claim", it's what i witnessed myself before i humbled myself to learn from them "how to be transformed from a worldly soldier (using destructive weapons) to soldier of Christ (using God's word to win souls) Ephesians 6:14-17 !

Do you think love is a substitute for God's command ?

jcross19:
this is the reason you lack bible understanding! Is talking about our mortal body! ahahahahaha.

God who made man knew that the only way man or any part of man can live forever is by him having access to the trees of life so God drove man out of the garden that has the tree of life

Your claim that the spirit lives on after death is like you saying God did not know what he was doing or did not succed on his plan or action of driving man out of the gardern of Eden.


Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: 3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

Maximus69:
Insincerity is blurring your spiritual vision!

How are Jehovah's Witnesses the one and only global group that love peace?

(1) Jesus is the Prince of peace, never has God asked his people to sue for peace with pagans, neither has his prophet talk of peace with their audience. God's prophets always deliver their messages with bold faces and tough reproof. Jesus is the first preacher that introduced the house to house ministry as he's pleading with sinners to repent. So he wouldn't shout at passersby, declaring judgment on them without a hearty discussion with them! Matthew 12:19
Jehovah's Witnesses are the only group following his footstep by visiting their neighbours to have one on one conversation with them, others just stand in public places and buses shouting DISRESPECTFULLY at people without considering the condition of their hearts!

(2)Jesus was in danger and a disciple (Peter) stood up with a SWORD to defend Jesus, then he rebooked him telling him never to use weapons in settling matters. Jehovah's Witnesses are the one and only group harbouring NO weapon carriers, so if you're a soldier before joining us then it's compulsory you change your job because YOU MUST NOT KILL no matter what happens!

(3)Jesus warned his followers never to partake in worldly politics because Satan is the ruler of the world and anyone partaking in politics is indirectly working for Satan the Devil! Luke 4:5-7, John 6:15, 14:30, 1John 5:19
Jehovah's Witnesses are the one and only global group where NO member belongs to any political party!

(4)Racism leads to sentimentalism. So politicians makes the best use of Satanic schemes e.g National Anthem to make people hate their fellow man so that they can gather them as their own LOYAL subjects! Daniel 3:1-5
Jehovah's Witnesses are the one and only group whose members have not been blinded by this device, anybody from any part of the earth is our neighbour, but if such a person shares our faith then he is OUR BROTHER, we will never raise any destructive weapon against either our neighbour talkless of our brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus at the order of greedy and selfish politicians!

(5) Throughout the world the main cause of hatred and prejudice is nepotism! Jehovah's Witnesses are the one and only group whose members are ready to lay down their lives in behalf of their members. The world noticed this during Apartheid in South Africa, the east African dispute between Hutus and Tutsis, East and West Germany, Ife and Modakeke. In all of these racial disputes Jehovah's Witnesses were marked out as infidels or traitors for protecting their brothers and sisters in Christ, the love of race never surpassed their love for their global family of peace loving worshippers! John 13:34-35

You may choose to argue, but know that you're discussing with a former military intelligence officer who has been to many countries and witnessed all these with my own eyes!

So that's why i'm saying your insincerity is blurring your spiritual vision!

In Adventist and many other churches I have been to their love and charity with Evangelism far exceed what you claim you guys do, so like I said before your church is not the only one demonstrating love.

MuttleyLaff:
The pitiful ''you were sent to be a distraction" line, that's what you all say, when caught like a thief in the village square and so just to cover up for your inadequancies, shortcomings, failings and action of stealing another person's literary work or property by not crediting the original author nor citing the internet/website source excerpt content copied and pasted from.

What you countless times have proven, is that, you're threatened by seven harmless, simple, easy, direct and straightforward questions

Your bible literacy is poor. You are not prepared for handling facts and so not ready to face facts.

The ball was in my court, but you then kicked the ball into your own goal

What, between the spirit and the soul, is going to be judged blueAgent, since, like as if being a broken record, you keep repeating upandan the thread "since our spirit goes to Heaven or Earth as soon as we die why is there a need for resurrection?"

You know you cannot match me that is obvious to you.

like I said before it is the ressurreted people who were dead that is judged and sent to Heaven or Hell and not any imaginary soul or spirit.

Of course when people come back to life by the breathe of God which is the spirit there soul comes to life which is there thoughts,mind physce, perception.

All this can be found in my OP.

crunchyg:
The way two different individuals becomes one mystically and the way Jesus Christ and a believer becomes one when the believer receives Christ, that's how God and Jesus who are two different individual becomes one. John 14:11, because they are in each other, the way Christ and a believer is in each other John 14:20 and the way husband and wife are in each other when they marry

You are confusing yourself the one is about unity of the father and son and not in numeric terms as both of them been one person.

This is quite different from the trinity doctrine that claims that God and Jesus are one and the same person who are just role playing.

jcross19:
this is the reason you lack bible understanding! Is talking about our mortal body! ahahahahaha.

1 Corinthians 15:12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? 1 Corinthians 15:13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: 1 Corinthians 15:15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. 1 Corinthians 15:16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: 1 Corinthians 15:32 If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die.

jcross19:
this is the reason you lack bible understanding! Is talking about our mortal body! ahahahahaha.

Since our spirit goes to Heaven or Earth as soon as we die why is there a need for resurrection?


1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Maximus69:
@bolded

Makes me laugh at your insincerity!

Farewell Sir!

Prove it that JW are the only Church h that loves peace and whatever else you claim.

jcross19:
why should I be wasting my energy on son of perdition sorry sir!!! Jehovah' witness ! e go do you voom for eye.

Clown am sure you don't know what is the meaning of perdition.

Because if you know you will know that it proves your argument wrong.

Secondly am not a Jehovah Witness.

The word perdition proves that Man is not immortal.


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Definition of perdition noun from the Oxford Advanced
American Dictionary
perdition noun
/pərˈdɪʃn/
[uncountable] (formal)
1 punishment that lasts for ever after death
2 (literary ) loss of the soul and punishment after death;
hell
3 (old-fashioned ) complete loss, failure, or destruction
His mother felt that his behavior was leading him down the
path to perdition.
See perdition in the Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary
Check pronunciation:

https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/american_english/perdition

jcross19:
this is the reason you lack bible understanding! Is talking about our mortal body! ahahahahaha.

You keep making matters worst.




So now our body is mortal?
Ecclesiastes 12:7

Where is it written that the spirit lives on after death?
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

MuttleyLaff:
Yeye dey smell, Mr blogger blogger, who talked about your unknown and inconsequential blog, hmm? Why couldnt you, when you didnt cite source, admit that the excerpts from internet websites you posted on this thread, were not written by you. You only started citing source after my subtle dig at you and fear of being exposed, lol. Now tell me who really has been acting the clown here, if not yourself, you, lol. It is because you're copying and pasting other peoples original thought and not yours that you are confused and end up talking jargons. If you had expressed yourself, your thoughts, your ideas in your own words, about what you know and have come to understand you wouldnt be confusing yourself, you wouldnt be digging holes you cant climb out from once jumped into, and/or you wouldnt be getting yourself tied up in a knot

Keep fooling yourself, it's obvious you were sent to be a distraction.



I have proven my points and argument, is up to you to disprove me with clear Bible verses and facts

The ball is in your court.

crunchyg:
Use the analysis of husband and wife and Christ and the Church I gave you before, there lies the answer you are looking for about trinity

How does the relationship of husband and wife relate to that of God and Jesus?