₦airaland Forum

raumdeuter:
Like I said we have new challenges that are not as much back in Jonathan days you live in the time you find yourself. How much were we spending chasing bokoharam bandits terrorists etc

I can carry placard that during the time of Shagari education was free which included school bursary included lunch guaranteed jobs, visa free to most countries or live in the time I find myself

The days when School cert will give you a decent job rather than face the reality of the days I live now

There was boko haram during Jonathan’s era and it was one of the reasons Jonathan was booted out . Talk another thing abeg !

raumdeuter:
The money comes from a purse. The money already spent on education or sanitation cannot be spent again on Healthcare

The taxes collected is what is being spent currently but its not enough. We either have to increase taxes significantly or have other areas of the society pitch in

The days of Jonathan posed different challenges. Now a much more bigger percentage of our income goes to insecurity than any time since civil war

The shortfall have to come from somewhere

One gets realistic with situations before them. There was a time a graduate gets a job and car after going to school where they get fed chicken as lunch

In 2026 that is not realistic and its not wise to be harping that under Shagari we used to get this and that

We talk about priorities . The VP residence repairs cost of 27 billion naira is not a priority for a country where the healthcare system is in shambles . But I guess you won’t agree with me

raumdeuter:
Corruption is overstated in Nigeria. The major problem is the resources are too little for our needs

There is no system where there isn't Corruption in the world. Its an easy red meat to voters

Middle East countries have leader who probably steal as much as us or more but have enough left to cater for their people

When we calculate the National income per head of the country and compare to other nations we will discover where we really dey

Below is you suggesting corruption as the bane of this country when Jonathan ur arch enemy was the president of this country .

Since Buhari tenure and Tinubu’s ascension to the throne corruption don’t really matter any more . Haba !

The national income per head was much better under Jonathan whom you loved to hate; it’s worse under ur MCM now and here you are telling us corruption is overstated .

I just hope you don’t believe your own half truths

raumdeuter:
How much do you think its the cost of upgrading and doing all these and from which resources?
Its the same resources they will use to provide free education, environment sanitation, Healthcare, etc there is no way or actually nowhere in the world this is done without demanding over 50% of income as taxes

Govt alone cannot fix all these issues

Imagine if all education from primary to university depends on mainly govt alone

We need a combination of Govt, private, religious NGO to make things work. That's what happens in all those saner climes we like to point to

You have shifted from healthcare being discussed to pivot to other amenities not being discussed (which government is not even providing )

You have decided not to consider the possibility of government ever providing anything for the people off their taxes .

I still get receipt of you condemning Jonathan for removing subsidy when corruption had not been tackled o. Suddenly u don’t care about corruption and will keep reminding us how government cannot do anything for free as if government has any business dem Dey use earn the money

raumdeuter:
Did you school outside Lagos?

How many of your friends who weren't Lagos residents in school have since moved to Lagos since graduation.
In most Southern states post graduation the people who moved to Lagos are either the most or 2nd

I served in the north but schooled in Lagos .

None of the people we served in the same PPA during same set made it to Lagos except those who were originally resident in Lagos .

Myself and one other lady who lived in Ifo , Ogun state came back to Lagos . Yet I had friends who are based in Kaduna , Jos ( he’s now a lecturer at UNIJOS) , Abia state , 2 from Delta state , Kano , Bauchi and Oyo state .

Some of them became self employed in their state and others got job jobs with their state civil service over time .

I think you are just making spurious assumptions that don’t even align with experience of someone like me .

afrodoc2:
At the end of the day, it starts with corruption and how to tackle it. I definitely think those suggested changes are within the capacity of the government. They just have to channel the funds in the right direction and maybe even try the public-private partnership route.

CORRUPTION is the big elephant in the room.

raumdeuter:
How many of these private hospitals have the capacity of a lasuth or luth

If u add them together , they have more than LASUTH and LUTH .

Mind you , they are not on trial here. What we are saying is that the government should not only expand the capacity of LASUTH & LUTH but also upgrade other state owned facilities like Badagry , Epe , Agege , Isolo , Ikorodu and Ifako general hospitals .

The money government spends on refurbishing the offices of deputy governor , buying chairs & tables , buying air fresheners , etc yearly for political appointees will go a long way to achieve these .

You shouldn’t have a problem with this suggestion expect u benefit from some of these frivolous spendings of government.

raumdeuter:
Govt alone cannot afford this or do it

Thats where private and religious organizations had to come into it

Like the example of where I live, only 6 out of 100 top hospital are govt owned

At the end, people get treated. Just like with education public school private school at tge end people get educated

I already answered ur question about private hospitals ; yes there are private hospitals who offer quality healthcare but they are scattered all over the state and located in elitist locations in the state

raumdeuter:
For one person that left Lagos to retire to his homestate, another 20 have made the opposite journey to Lagos for economy and insecurity

For one or two parent lost,how many grandchildren have you your siblings abd friends made in that 20yrs?

If you lose 5 people but gain 20 through birth and migration you will increase in population

Its basic demographic

This is ur personal assumption . I mentioned morbidity rate , mortality rate , birth rate and rate of Muslims who died & got buried in Muslim cemetery without any record of death registered at the local govt in my post . I noticed you side stepped those . Those are very key data that can either buttress ur point or puncture holes into ur claims

afrodoc2:
It is not even about 1-2 isolated world class hospitals. Most casualties in Nigeria are not due to lack of world class hospitals but difficulty in accessing bare minimum DECENT healthcare.

Lagos needs maybe 6 quality hospitals with expanded services and capacity. These hospitals have to be strategically placed around the state and not concentrated in one area. We need 5 LASUTH quality hospitals not 1 Cedars-Sinai quality.

Upgrade 4-5 more hospitals to LASUTH standard to cover other parts of the state and reduce the workload on LASUTH and LUTH. Employ more specialists and create more residency slots. Expand bedspace and theatre suites.

Additionally, establish some sort of functioning health insurance scheme whereby all tax-paying citizens have at least some of the services in the public hospital free or subsidized (that word again) by the government.

GBAM!

Now evidence has shown that if government spends responsibly and accountability is a watchword , the state can actually afford these things .

Last year Funsho Doherty took his time to study the 2025 Lagos state budget and questioned some of the frivolities included in the budget that cost the state billions of naira without adding any value to the state . Imagine if such funds were channeled to 😏improve healthcare infrastructure of govt hospitals . Shebi we will not be seeing cases of someone being referred from Epe general hospital to LASUTH or being referred from general hospital to LASUTH, only for them to give up the ghost on the way 🤦‍♂️

raumdeuter:
By your own estimation, I know you have lived in Lagos at least from 2006 to now. How much do you think the population has grown based in what you are able to see in the areas you go to and visit

I think at least double based on the few areas I visited when I travel there

By my estimation people have left Lagos to relocate to their home state ( I know people who retired and went back to their villages ) , I know a lot of people who have died since 2006. In fact , almost all my friends have lost a parent or both ; even me I’ve lost a parent .

Hamzat will not capture these cases in his data bacause it doesn’t feed into his bias .

All of us go school and we do statistics as a course at one point or the other . If he wants anybody to take the date serious , he will bring the death rate , birth rate , morbidity rate , and even rate of people buried in Muslim cemeteries without death certificates being obtained to the fore . That’s only when we would reason his data and see if there’s element of truth in it .

raumdeuter:
I believe for any product including Healthcare
Quality
Affordable
Available

You can you can only have at most 2 of these

There are some cases where they will still refer you to LUTH to go and join the queue wey reach Ojuelegba

If the hospital can be big about >500 plus beds and have equipment on the level of LUTH then we have 5 of those in a place like Lagos will go a long way to help

Some people are willing to pay but with your money you still need one perm sec, one CMD to call in favors to get a bed

The point is if our leaders set their priorities right , nothing stops a state like Lagos from expanding the capacity of LASUTH . Lagos state is 4cking richer than 10 states put together .

Nothing stops federal government from equipping LUTH in Lagos , UBTH in Edo state , UCH in Ibadan , to be world class . When these facilities are upgraded and services are available to the people , the quality of healthcare in those facilities will improve and so will the life expectancy of people in those states .

Some of us talking about these things don’t hate government , we just want things to be better for the common man . Government officials and politicians can easily fly abroad for treatment , but not most citizens can do that . We are calling the government out because we know they can afford to fix these things even with the so called meagre income of the government

raumdeuter:
Hamzat is in govt and they have the data of the people coming in. He might have inflated it even if you cut the inflow and outflow by half its still a huge number

Good thing you agreed he may have inflated the figures which of course is for political reasons .

That makes Theflint1 position very valid that there’s no way Lagos population is 30 million like you claimed earlier . It’s just the conjecture of Hamzat and those in government in Lagos which you only re-echoed

raumdeuter:
Below are the words of the current deputy governor

Lagos Deputy Governor, Dr. Obafemi Hamzat, has disclosed that no fewer than 6000 people enter Lagos on a daily basis, with about 3000 of them staying back with no known addresses.

He said the population of Lagos estimated at about 27m

https://dailytrust.com/6000-people-enter-lagos-daily-but-only-3000-leave-deputy-gov

You are a learned man , you should ask Hamzat how he came about his figures . How did he confirm the number of those who stay behind and those who go back to their respective state of residents after conducting their business in Lagos ?

Hamzat is just playing to the gallery with those figures that have no empirical evidenceti back the date he’s throwing around brazenly . He’s feeding into APC supporters’ bias and they will in turn defend the government because they believe a politician like Hamzat can tell no lies

raumdeuter:
It shouldn't be restricted to Teaching hospital alone big hospital too as they have the resources to do it
Let it even be available even if costly. We cant say despite the cost of the private religious Unis they havent been a net positive.

Its a big problem when you even have the money but you only have LUTH and Lasuth as the options in a state of over 20m.
Even with the best medical crew they will be so limited in what they can do

In the City metropolitan area that I live, according to chatgpt there are about 100 big hospitals(400 to 1000 beds), only about 8 are govt owned, about 35 are religious organizations owner, 15 secular private non profit, 40 private for profit.

Its a disaster to have 200 beds and 20000 needing a bed

Well, I live and work in Lagos so I can’t speak for other states .

I know hospitals like Evacare , Lagoon hospitals , First Cardiologists , Duchess hospital ( where Osinbajo had surgery even as a sitting vice president ) , Redinton hospital
, etc have state of the art medical facilities which majority of the average citizens cannot afford when push comes to shove .

I have utilized the services of Evercare hospital in Lekki (which was paid for by my employers ) , but I know even a Director in Lagos state civil service cannot afford the cost of some of these facilities from out of pocket .

So, that leaves the civil servant , trader , military officers , paramilitary officers , and other common men at the mercy of LASUTH and LUTH where the everyday chorus is “No bed space “.

raumdeuter:
Why dont giant religious organizations in Nigeria invest in building big world class hospitals?

Well, some religious organizations with universities that have medical schools have decent teaching hospitals but they are not cheap .

Then there are private hospitals too with world class facilities too and they are equally not cheap .

The problem is if you have a serious medical emergency , before they take you to some of those facilities (even if you have the funds ) , you may not make the trip due to the distance .

This is the sad reality of Nigerian healthcare system . This grieving mother just confirmed my personal experience at LASUTH about how they would give your patient drip in the car simply because there’s no bed

“I went to LASUTH, and they said there were no beds. I went inside and saw that there were not even up to 50 beds. I asked if I could bring a bed from home, but they said that wasn’t the kind of bed they needed. They gave him a drip in the car and told us to go look for another… pic.twitter.com/Nbra9pwLGC

— SEUN Durojaiye 🇳🇬 (@DurojaiyeSegun) October 3, 2026

/video/1?s=46

TemporaryHansel:
When did Lagos state population get to 30m?

Na every year APC dey 10m to the population just to justify how the APC controlled government has not been able to fix a whole lot of issues in the state

izzou:
The 18 year old granddaughter bestie happy pass the man sef



https://www.nairaland.com/8757010/74-year-old-senator-ocheja-marries-18-year-old

Your guy don seal union with his sweetheart officially 😎

raumdeuter:
Anyone with a PhD has a high level of intelligence even if its in cooking

So if a PhD can be that brainwashed how much more random illiterate

Brainwashing knows no intellectual and economic limit. Rich poor educated illiterates all follow join

True. Just that in his own case, he didnt need any brainwashing; he chose to study what would empower him to brainwash others.

raumdeuter:
Religious and ideological brainwashing has no limit

Prof Ishaq Akintola of Muric na real prof in case you no know.

You will see very intelligent people doing absurd things in the name of religion

Prof Akintola of MURIC actually has a PhD in Islamic Eschatology (the part of Islamic theology concerned with death, judgment, and the final destiny of the soul/humanity). What were you expecting he would do with his research ? 😂

iamoyindamola:
Exactly

Me and u know Gbadebo won't win local government election in Lagos if he didn't join APC. Even if he joins APC, they might not give him the primary ticket

izzou:
Haaa

Really?

I didn't know oh

Post-2023 elections it was one of the grounds Gbadebo petitioned the election tribunal. He argued that when Hamzat became a US citizen, the oath he swore required him to renounce Nigerian citizenship and swear allegiance to the United states of America.

Hamzat on the other hand argued Nigerian constitution allowed for dual citizenship and he actually hold dual citizenship ( Naija and Yankee).

The petition was thrown out Sha because Gbadebo's team couldn't prove beyond reasonable doubt that Hamzat renounced his naija citizenship.

I don't think the whole thing will fly in any court in naija Sha. It's a pre-election matter and the new electoral act has already established that such matter won't be ground for the election outcome to be overturned.

izzou:
Hamzat swore allegiance with United States?

Huuuuhhh...

You mean he's a US citizen who swore US citizenship oath? That's not news na, I thought everyone knows that since.

It had trended when he was selected Sanwoolu's deputy pre-2019 elections.

CrystalTiger:
I'll never understand what goes on in the heads of these extremists.. How do you allow yourself to be brainwashed to this point?

Airline business is very nasty just based on daily operations only, imagine this level of fvckup being added.. These ones will need PR greater than any PR ever done to get back in business again..

I think most of those guys just require someone to trigger the hate in their mind with indoctrination and then they go all extremist on every other person who doesn't believe in their extremist views.

Imagine people wey Don book FlyDubai airline a month or two months ahead of their trip before this ugly incident happen. Someone like me, I will be going to LinkedIn, FlyDubai website and every other online resource to check the profile of their pilots. I will just be overthinking and hoping they don't assign any pilot that may have extremist views like this Omani guy.

Air traveller's will be avoiding their airline like plague for now sef. Cos nobody Wan dey inside plane wey their pilots wey dem no do background checks for dey captiain

It has been confirmed that the co-pilot who attempted to crash the FlyDubai aircraft is an Omani with extremist Jihadist view while the pilot who fought him is an Indian. The initial claim that the pilot is Russian and co-pilot Ukranian was incorrect.

So it appears the co-pilot was sacked on his previous job due to his extremist views. FlyDubai apparently employed him without doing any background check 😲😲😲

I think all passengers should sue the Airline for their negligence that put the life of passengers in danger.

Even some Nigerian companies carry out background checks on new employees. They contract the whole background check out to 3rd party companies who conclude their investigations into you before you are due for confirmation in 6 months time. (I've experienced it before).

Neymar1095:
No one is talking about Russia. The fact you keep bringing it up just means you have nothing concrete to say. Let's agree to disagree but I know If this was Argentina and Messi you won't be typing all these.

Fact remains when Neymar was fit, he didn't win the world cup for his team ; in fact his team was getting dumped out of the world cup. His absence didn't change anything.

Na u know why u dey call the name of Messi the GOAT that has completed football while we are discussing Neymar the prince of shakushaku

Neymar1095:
The game would have been 60:40 in Brazil favour if Neymar wasn’t injured. His injury issues affected their preparation and mentality going into that game. The Germans you are trying to hype barely escaped Algeria and were dominated by France.

You are the one trying to prop Brazil's mediocre squad and make it seem like Neymar's shakushaku would've saved them from the loss they were bound to suffer from Germany.

4 years after at Russia the same Neymar was fit, yet Brazil was dumped out by Belgium. If he had that superhero power to have saved Brazil from Germany, why didn't he activate same in Russia vs Belgium?

Neymar1095:
You can see I was specifically talking about the world cup hosted In Brazil. I don't know what other tournaments had to do with my post.

Germany would've still dumped Brazil out of that world cup with Brazil's expressway midfield and open access defence. Neymar would not have made any difference beyond making the Germans' win margin more respectable.

Neymar1095:
It's crazy how Brazil would have won this game if Neymar wasn't injured and likely the world cup. My boy was so unlucky.

So why didn't he win the Russia 2018 World cup ? Abi he was also injured when Belgium dumped Brazil out at the quarter finals?

iamoyindamola:
There was one European final Spain were leading Italy 4 nil, casillas went to meet the ref to stop the final with some minutes to spare.
Thunder fire the referee true true

Exactly bro. Refs always use their discretion in such instances when dem see say water Don pass garri.

Maybe the ref play over 12.5 goals on his bet ticket 😂

CrystalTiger:
Whether na ref carry una come ball

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

But the ref sef na wicked man, he no supposed add any minutes.

Champions league final wey PSG wallop Inter Milan 5-0 , the ref didn't add a single minute as an act of mercy to Inter Milan. The ref blow whistle at exactly 90 minutes to save Inter from their misery.

Why the ref dey add minutes to a game with scoreline of 12-0 ?