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Ubenedictus: i doubt u read in a month as much scripture as i read in a day.

I know you read a lot of catholic bulletin not bible. That's why you are seriously confused and seriously believe in the bulletin.

TroGunn: I didn't say your Trinity is pagan because the word "Trinity" is not in the Bible.

This is what is wrote


And it remains a good advice. The Trinity teaching is pagan because of it roots - http://mikeblume.com/pagantr.htm

As I stated earlier, it boils down to this:

1) A major deviation from the truth was prophesied clearly in the scriptures, of which the Trinity is a major one: "Now the Holy Spirit tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away from the true faith; they will follow deceptive spirits and teachings that come from demons". - 1 Tim 4:1. Also Matt. 24:10, 2 Thess. 2:3, 2 Timothy 3:5.
2) The Bible cannot contradict itself. This is fundamental as contradiction = confusion and God is not of confusion. The Trinity doctrine contradicts a good chunk of the rest of the Bible's information about God.
3) The Bible's information about God is simple (Deu 6:4 - "Yahweh is our God; Yahweh is one" - World English Bible). Trinity is a complex, convoluted mess - a clear mark of falsehood.
4) Overall the Bible portrays God as one, named Yahweh/Jehovah, with no equal - not part of a Trinity.
5) Overall the Bible portrays Jesus as Son of God, God's foremost servant, a mediator between God and Man, being given authority and elevated by God, but being surbodinate to God. Nothing is gained by attempting to equate him to Yahweh.
6) Overall, the Bible does not portray the Holy Spirit as a person. Yes, a few personalization here and there, but overall God's Spirit is portrayed as something God gives/uses to achieve His aims.
7) The Bible wasn't originally witten in English and thus a few portions could be translated in more than one way. Trinitarian try to further their untruth, by twisting translations. Such twists are well known and those desiring to know the truth can always discern such, if humble. A good rule is to compare different translations of the texts to discern original meaning. Also compare other scriptures that discusses the same issue - usually the truth will be as clear as day.
8 ) A bit of ambiguity is created in some Bible translations that replace God's name (Yahweh/Jehovah) with LORD in caps or just "Lord". The preface of such Bibles usually explain their reason for the substitution. Generally, this followed a wrong Jewish tradition, but most newer Bibles tend restore the Name, knowing that such substitutions really amounts to tampering. Newer translations with the name Yahweh/Jehovah restored generally offers more clarity.
9) Christians are to imitate Jesus and Jesus worshipped God, The Father, Yahweh. He prayed to Him and acknowlegded that the power or authority or anything that he (Jesus) is, he got from the Father, his God. Jesus didn't beleieve in a Trinity nor teach it - he said the Father is greater than himself (John 14:28).

Thanks must be given to Trinitarians like gbrookes02, Ubenedictus, etc who argued thier position.

Thanks to Bookmark, Ijawkid, frosbel, etc who have provided more than enough information to show the Trinity teaching is lacking in concrete scriptural backing.

Fact remains that a neutral or Bible newbie would not reach the conclusion that God is a Trinity from just reading/studying the Bible. Such a person would see clearly that God is one and is the Almighty. Jesus will be seen as Son of God, occupying a position above all other created beings, but subordinate to God, the Almighty Father, Yahweh.

We should worship the Father, Yahweh as the only true God, and do so through his firstborn Son Jesus Christ, the one who occupies the first place among all of God’s intelligent creatures — "And whatever you do, whether by speech or action, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him." (Col. 3:17).

Peace out guys.

Superb!
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I will always confidently say i worshiper the only true God.

The bolded is just how is has been. No new name like trinity was meant to be thought of, if not the Holyspirit would have added it clearly for us.

Ubenedictus: where u sleeping since marwin? Did u nt notice d arguement that yahweh isnt a name exclusive to d fada? So d fada son and spirit have one and d same name. Did u miss that part of d arguement?

Pastor kun fu don put you for high jump. Do you think he is just an ordinary pastor? Ok na.

That is his name forever. From generation to generation Ex 3:15.
Why the change in new testament?

Have you seen what rejecting the of God can cause? Its never too late.

Ubenedictus: no! This is where i disagree, ubenedictus servant saw that ubenedict gave birth to christianus and they said christianus is equally human in nature as ubenedictus, they said the have equal nature they called it co equality.

now i can catch d fun at d end and i laugh. Bookmark finished his analogy and fogot or delibrately refused to add that that ubenedictus and christianus posses d fulness of d human nature and both are human.

Do you disagree that ubenedictus is all in all?

Ubenedictus and Christiantus are both human but ubenedictus is greater than Christiantus. Therefore Christiantus is his subject. Do you DISAGREE?

Ubenedictus had other sons but outsiders don't give them the same respect they gave ubenedictus. Knowing fully well that they also have the same human nature with him. Why?

Insiders believe that ubenedictus is all in all. And that Christiantus is his subject. They respect ubenedictus base on his greatness, power and authority. They also respect Christiantus base the fact that ubenedictus has made him the only way through which people can get to him, and that he has been given authority by ubenedictus over all dat he own so that he can bring more outsiders to him.
Their belief is just as it is written in the documentary.

oiseworld: i've been around all dis while ,read ur posts and they are all trash.
Where is the presence of the Holysprit in all ur discuss ?
Who is the Holyspirit?
What is the essence of the Holyspirit ?
And who sent the Holyspirit?

If you soo relly on the Bible like the muslims in the quran, what then is the essence of the holyspirit.

I still would like u interpret what Jesus meant with that statement.

That's because your people are saying things that looks more like twonity.

It is easy for them to get anything they want with immediately effect through Christ so that He will continue to prove to them He was sent by the Father. This is just to increase their confidence in His so that they can boldly stand to teach the goodnews when he is gone.

John 11:41-42
New International Version (NIV)
41 So they took away the stone.
Then Jesus looked up and said,
“Father, I thank you that you have
heard me. 42 I knew that you
always hear me, but I said this for
the benefit of the people standing
here, that they may believe that
you sent me.”
Read v4 n v22 also.

If they suffer themselves when He is with them. Their faith will not be strong when he gone.

Also see there that He has been asking the Father and the Father has been answering Him.

He is my Highpriest o!

Ubenedictus: u mean becos im the son of a human that doesnt make me a human? Hahaha, they are different person, one fada d oda son, both are equally God, just as im equally human as my parents.

See what you should be saying. Because Ubenedictus have a son, it doesn't make his son ubenedictus. Besides your son dint even like your name that's why he chose to answer Christiantus.(hahaha)

While it is clear that ubenedictus is the god of his son and has given him authority over everything he own, its also clear that Christiantus must subject himself to ubenedictus(1cor15:28) so that ubenedictus will be all in all.

But some outsiders, seeing that Christiantus commands ubenedictus' investments and not knowing that ubenedictus is all in all in his family, started saying that Christianitus is equal to ubenedictus.

Its a shame that some of them have the documentary of what happened but couldnt understand it. Even Ubenedictus of nairaland.

italo: I have read 1 Cor 15 and it doesn't make sense because I am using your way of reasoning that says that God, god and 'a God' are all the same and that there are countless gods in heaven and earth including me and you. So which god is Paul talking about? Is it you?

You might want to clarify that.

Is God the everlasting Father?

Please use your own trinity sense and explain 1Cor15:27-28. Those that would want to help him are welcomed. I hope you will not jump and pass this.

oiseworld: the catholic church did not start the trinity, it started in the bible, the catholic church been one of the first churches only brought it to the light.
Their is no lie about the trinity, their is only one God, and their are three that make this one. The father, the son(the word) and the holyspirit.

In the passage below
Mark 2:18–20: 18 And the disciples of John and of the Pharisees used to fast: and they come and say unto him, Why do the disciples of John and of the Pharisees fast, but thy disciples fast not? 19 And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber fast, while the bridegroom is with them? as long as they have the bridegroom with them, they cannot fast. 20 But the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken away from them, and then shall they fast in those days.

Tell me who had the power and authority to tell the disciples to observe a fast or not.
"Who should they fast to"? when he was with them. If he wasn't God, then would he make such a statement.

Please does this in any way prove that they should fast to him or prove trinity. We are now answering strong questions not this type na.

I will like you to go and research who gave him the disciples, bridegroom and bride, why we fast and who we pray to. It will help you to start proper.

Stick around, you will learn a lot from us.
Cheers.

truthislight: beatiful ^^^

what on earth will cus one to asked that God personal name should be removed from his word the bible?

That action alone is an domination and a great transgration against the almighty Yahweh himself.

Trinitarian DONT know their life is at stake on this issues.

My brother. Satan is @ work and he thought we don't know. he brought in this confusion.

I heard his worshipers call him almighty god. he trickily, shared the Almightiness of our God into 3 so that him alone as a single person can be called almighty.

Let me explain it to you
because you refuse to pay
attention to v21. ' the temple is
in His body'.

Read this:
jn12:6-8
6 But i tell you that some thing
greater than the temple is
here....8 For lord of the sabbath
is what the Son of man is.

I hope you know that Christ is
our High priest. When He came,
everything the priest and
phareseas were doing in the
temple matters no more cos
the High priest has come. He
controls everything in the
temple of God as the High
priest.

See what happened. In three
days God raised Him from dead
and He in turned raised the
temple for God as the High
priest just as it is the work of
the priest, Levites etc to raise/
build a temple for God. He is
our High priest in service to
God. Read your Hebrew well.

This is the explanation. Or are you still having doubts?

John 2:19, 21 "Jesus answered
them, “Destroy this temple, and
I will raise it again in three
days. 21 But the temple he had
spoken of was his body."

@gbrookes
Did you read v21? Or is it that everything you see in the bible looks trinity to you.

God raised Jesus from the dead according to the multitude of verses given to you. There is no where it was written that Jesus raised Himself.

Here is talking about the temple inside Him. Just as it the duty of priest(levites) to raised temple for God so also the our Highpriest. I have helped your friends in trinity understand it before.

Ubenedictus: i doubt even d jews can remember God's real name. Besides all d names that is associated with d fada becos of his divine nature is also ascribed to d son wu posses d fulness of d said state. Dont b so suprised!

Yes, doubts. That's what what trinity and catholic can turn you into. Since you know that He cannot say something and it wount happen. It didn't occur to you that since God said "this is my name forever, and this is my memorial to all generations." that His name must have been existing and in use.

Don't let trinity cloud you judgement and also don't let the Jews guide you on what to believe about God. Be wise.

Ubenedictus: beautiful, i just check many translations and that particular repetition didn appear in them, anyway, context is key.
Now listen and open your eyes.
I kings 8:1 is a continuation of 1 kings 7:51, and solomon is vs51 is still d same solomon in 8:1 and d same king solomon in d same vs 1. The whole context continue to show 1 solomon, i told u earlier context is key!
Now what does gen19:24 say? It says "yahweh rained down...from yahweh in heaven", the last time d word yahweh was used before 19 was in 18, and yahweh wasnt in heaven, he was on earth discussing with abraham, now it is my time to ask u, did yahweh leave heaven and was on earth, so that d same person wu rained down fire in heaven was d same person on earth? In context there is only one reason y d words "from yahweh in heaven" becos d bible had already identified yahweh on earth, so wen it say "yahweh rained down from yahweh in heaven" in clear context two different persons are ment. Solomen can invite people unto himself, but it will b defy all principles if yahweh is sending fire from himself. Wen d words "from" is used then it would b stupid to imagine singularity. Can ijaw kid steal "from" himself?

English is also a problem is also a problem when it comes to defending trinity blindly.

Why did you even agree that Solomon is the same person as king Solomon? Or don't you think that Solomon could be a servant in the house of king Solomon? You disappoint me.

Context? You don't have anything to say. According to what you imagined as stupidity that Ijawkid steals from Ijawkid, is it not also stupid for you to imagine that Ijawkid brought a wife to Ijawkid.

Start today to believe Yahweh is one Yahweh not three,

@gbrookes

You failed to complete complete your explanation of 1Cor15:27-28. Am glad you know that it is God who subjected all thing to Christ. But it seem you hit the rock at v28.

What you just did there was, you told us apply caution in interpreting it. And you went ahead to tell us what Christ will stop doing ie laying aside his mediatorship. It said something like 'someone being a subject to' and another thing like 'all in all.' Please read it again and help us understand it better.

I see you are calling us Satan's parrots for saying that we have One God. What do then expect us to call you people that profess what is not in the bible as your God?

Ubenedictus: just d way im equal in dignity accding to nature to my dad and im subordinate to him by rank.

So trinity "one God" is based on just the nature of the the Father, Son and Holyspirit. Just as gbrookes also put it in page9. But not based on rank, authority, who is greater. God of the other etc. Trinity is an incomplete work and should not be attributed to our God, whether you believe in ONE or THREE.

Belief in One and Only True God(Yahweh), is just everything the bible said about our God and Father, Lord Jesus and the holyspirit. Who is greater, who is subject to.., who is God of the other, whose will we are following etc. This the God our lord Jesus came to reconcile us back to. This is the God we serve. He is all IN all(1COR15:28).

truthislight: do trinitarians/ubenedictus tell you he knows what the bible says?

He is just a desperate fellow that wants to defile the bible with their trinity.

Hahaha.
I noticed that since they restored the name of God(Yahweh) in some of their bible, their new trick is to say that the Father is Yahweh, Jesus is Yahweh, Holyspirit is Yahweh just to keep trinity going.

ijawkid: Ubenidictus I finally got a rebuttal to your claim that there are more than one Yahweh from genesis 19:24 just to support your triune Gods stance……

This is why I love the bible…it explains itself.....I always know the bible can explain itself and will continue to do that...

It is consistent with Hebrew idiom to speak of a person’s doing something in reference to himself. We read: “Solomon proceeded to congregate the older men . . . to King Solomon.” “To Moses [Yahweh] said: ‘Go up to Yahweh . . . ’” “[Yahweh] went on to say: . . . I will save them by Yahweh.’” (1 Kings 8:1; Exodus 24:1; Hosea 1:6, 7; Zechariah 10:12)
.......
But let's consider 1 kings 8:1..

Its the perfect example..

Let's read it from other translations..I'm gonna list them....
......
##..English Standard Version (©2001)
Then"" Solomon"" assembled the elders of Israel
and all the heads of the tribes, the leaders of
the fathers’ houses of the people of Israel,
before King"" Solomon"" in Jerusalem, to bring up
the ark of the covenant of the LORD out of
the city of David, which is Zion.
........
##New American Standard Bible (©1995)
Then"" Solomon"" assembled the elders of Israel
and all the heads of the tribes, the leaders of
the fathers' households of the sons of Israel,
to King"" Solomon"" in Jerusalem, to bring up the
ark of the covenant of the LORD from the city
of David, which is Zion.
....
##..King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Then"" Solomon"" assembled the elders of Israel,
and all the heads of the tribes, the chief of
the fathers of the children of Israel, unto
king ""Solomon"" in Jerusalem, that they might
bring up the ark of the covenant of the LORD
out of the city of David, which is Zion.

1 .....I want u to tell me how many ""solomons"" were mentioned in that verse??

2.....The 2 solomons that are mentioned in that verse are they 2 different solomons ??

3....Isn't the solomons mentioned there one and the same person??

That 1 kings 8:1 is a perfect example that corroborates with Genesis 19:24 that tells us that Yahweh brought the unprecedented sulfur and fire from himself, “from Yahweh, from the heavens”.......... So rather than being a strained prop for the unscriptural Trinity doctrine, this verse underscores the point made at Psalm 83:18: “That people may know that you, whose name is Yahweh, you alone are the Most High over all the earth.”..

My brother ubenidictus::::

Yahweh our God is one Yahweh...

Nothing can change that,not even the trinity dogmata..


It was even ratified by Jesus.....

Continue to read deuteronomy 6:4 and mark 12:29 till you abandon the trinity....

Beautiful!

Certainly the END of this DILEMMA!

@ijawkid
You didnt quote 27 and 28. This where it ended na. Some of them might have lost their bible.

1 Corinthians 15:27-28
New International Version (NIV)
27 For he “has put everything
under his feet.”[a] Now when it
says that “everything” has been put
under him, it is clear that this does
not include God himself, who put
everything under Christ. 28 When
he has done this, then the Son
himself will be made subject to him
who put everything under him, so
that God may be all in all.

This is just a summary of all the things we have been reading in the bible mainly with respect to our Lord Jesus Christ and His God, the Father.
But i still have concerns. It seems this verse is spiritually hidden from them in this forum.

Please if you can see this post hit LIKE. For trinitarians, if you don't like it disprove it. Unless you don't see it.

ijawkid: SMH!!!!.....

I just need a scripture that will say Jesus is all knowing now that he is in the heavens.....

I already showed you revelations 1:1 to add to my arsenal of Jesus not all-knowing......

exactly the same thing Jesus told his apostles is still want is going on in heaven....

Jesus can't do a single thing on his own originality,except what the Father tells Him......

JÉsus many times has said ""what I hear is what I speak""

It has nothing to do with his humanity.....Jesus has always been learning fro his Father b4 the universe was created....that Is what you and your colleagues fail to understand.....


Yahweh who is the all knowing God still supplies knowledge and revelations to his son and servant right down till today as we speak.........

And Yahweh would be the one to give the go ahead for Jesus to come squash satans system....

Why??

Because Yahweh is the almighty....

Jesus is like an army general waiting for the ""go ahead"" command to strike........

It is Yahweh who exalted Jesus and gave Jesus kingdoms and power.....so Jesus must act under Yahwehs instructions and directions........

Read 1 corinthians 15:24-28.........

Jesus is not all knowing.........

You are yet to use a scripture to prove that............

The bible has so much verses to prove
That Jesus is not all-knowing.....but you have being using the ""his humanity limited his knowledge"" excuse.........but you are the same person who says Jesus is 100 percent God and man.....contradiction!!!!!!!!!........

Beautiful!

gbrookes. You should also know that Rev1:1 is also in line with our Lord doing the will of the Father.

1Cor15:27-28 holds lots of meaning if trinitarians would want to read it. It seems they avoid this potion of the bible with passion and never interested in reading or explaining it for an obvious reason which is fear and not knowing what to say.

gbrookes02: Jesus as far as where His human nature is concern did not know everything including the time of His return. But in His God nature as God He knew everything including the time of His return

Why would say such a thing? Have you forgotten that the fullness of Godhead dwells in Him bodily? Col2:9

let me show you how it works. Read what happened here @ Rev1:1 well well until you understand it.

New International Version
(©1984)
The revelation of Jesus
Christ, which God gave
him to show his servants
what must soon take
place. He made it known
by sending his angel to
his servant John,

As it pleases the Father.

King James Bible
(Cambridge Ed.)
Without father, without
mother, without descent,
having neither beginning
of days, nor end of life;
but made like unto the
Son of God; abideth a
priest continually.
International Standard

Version (©2008)
He has no father, mother,
or genealogy, no birth
date recorded for him, nor
a date of death. Like the
Son of God, he continues
to be a priest forever.

Aramaic Bible in Plain
English (©2010)
Without his father and his
mother being written in
the genealogies, neither
having beginning of his
days nor end of his life,
but in the likeness of The
Son of God, his Priesthood
remains for eternity.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
(©1995)
No one knows anything
about Melchizedek's
father, mother, or
ancestors. No one knows
when he was born or
when he died. Like the
Son of God, Melchizedek
continues to be a priest
forever.

@Goshen360
these quotes above will also help you understand it better. When he appeared on earth, there is no record of him having a father, mother, genealogies, date of birth or date of death. But MADE like a Son of God and He is a priest of God forever.

FOR JOHN2:19,

We all know that
the Father raised Jesus from the
dead. And he is trying to tell us
that Jesus raised Himself from the
dead. Therefore He is the same
person as the Father. I wonder
what is the actual definition of

trinity.
Let me explain it to you because
you refuse to pay attention to
v21. 'The temple is in His body'.

Read this:
jn12:6-8
6 But i tell you that some thing
greater than the temple is
here....8 For Lord of the Sabbath is
what the Son of man is.
I hope you know that Christ is our
High priest. When He came,
everything the priest and
phareseas were doing in the
temple matters no more cos the
High priest has come. He controls
everything in the temple of God
as the High priest.
See what happened. In three days
God raised Him from dead and He
in turned raised the temple for
God as the High priest just as it is
the work of the priest, Levites etc
to raise/build a temple for God.
He is our High priest in service to
God. Read your Hebrew well.

This is the explanation for it

gbrookes02: @Boomark...What is Gej?

Goodluck Ebele Jonathan.

That is assuming he is the one that created you and gave you all power to redeem Nigeria back to him. With this you can now answer the question.

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Ubenedictus: now u are
speaking hypothetically, so i
will answer in the same
fashion. If GBJ can "create" me
to have the fullness of his
nature then yes i would be
equal to him.
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Still in line with having Gej
fullness. Can any trinitarian help him out of this Dilemma and answer the question below with respect to Col2:9.

1 Then what will make you say
that GEJ is greater than you since
you have his fullness? Jn14:28

2 what do you think will make
you to still be considered as his
subject when he has given you all
powers to restore Nigeria back to
him. 1Cor15:27-28.

Pls straight to the point answer is
needed. No beating about the
bush.

Na wa o for that Antenna creed.
Anybody that wants to be save should above all throw away the catholic faith. Including their chaplet abi rosary plus any image you look unto while praying. Don't be scared to come to God through our lord Jesus Christ. He wunt be angry with you.

I still wonder what "the God of our Lord Jesus" means to trinity if the 3 are equal and One God. Does it mean that the Father can be God to one of the God and still be His equal?

Pls Ubedintus, answer the question i left 4 u at the other thread.

Ubenedictus: now u are speaking hypothetically, so i will answer in the same fashion. If GBJ can "create" me to have the fullness of his nature then yes i would be equal to him.

Still in line with having Gej fullness.
1 Then what will make you say that GEJ is greater than you since you have his fullness? Jn14:28

2 what do you think will make you to still be considered as his subject when he has given you all powers to restore Nigeria back to him. 1Cor15:27-28.

Pls straight to the point answer is needed. No beating about the bush.

Ubenedictus: and my point still stands, by nature im equal to GEJ, all he can do by the very fact of being human i can do. If honor is due to us by the very fact that we are human then honor is due to me. I am equal to GEJ in dignity according to nature he is higher than me in temporal rank. So again my point stand the father can be equal to the son according to his dignity of nature and yet the father has a higher rank for the father is truly "father", "head" and "GOD". So as i said my point still stand equal by natured different by rank.
Peace

Assuming GEJ is your creator, will you be equal to him in any way?

Ubenedictus: accoding to human nature all humans are equal.

u are speaking of temporal power and u are trying to compare it with divine power, do u see how ur analogy fail. By the very fact that Jesus posses the fulness or was given the fulness of the Godhood state (wen he was begotten by d fada) that make him have the power and attribute ascribed to God according to nature. If the father is all power by his nature so his d son by nature.

This is where the thing hooked you. So you now want to jump from temporal human to permanent divine? when you don't have answers again. GEJ is your boss and you will continue to answer him 'sir' if you don't meet certain standards when he leaves office.

debosky: Funny?



Interesting - where is the distinction in essence? I am still waiting for that.



As I said earlier, this is a facile approach to 'logic', one I would only expect from a juvenile. For example

A ball is round, and sweet is round - does that now mean because they are both round they are the same thing? That is the superficial approach to logic you have been pursuing here.

The fact that we are participating in the divine nature does not now mean we are the same as Christ, especially when there are countless distinguishing features between us and Christ.

What you should have said is: let the ball be round as the sweet is round. The sweet and the ball are not the same but in terms of what you want to achieve with their roundness, they are the same. The both can fit into the same hole perfectly. So check your own logic before calling another person a juvenile.

Ihedinobi: What, have you found some amazing new argument for why Hebrews 1:8-12 could not have been speaking about/to Christ?

No na. You run, das why am looking for you. Go from Genesis to Revelation, you can't prove it wrong. Involved pastors that can help you. Am sorry, its not my fault.

Do you see what is going on here. I hope you are learning. Me too am learning. Let me see if i can help quench the fire. Which ever way, he who has the good news, i will learn from him.

Ihedinobi: Bla bla bla............ What else is new? Don't you guys cherrypick translations? You even cherrypick across translations. You twist and turn passages that you decide the RCC mistranslated. You delete verses. You say right in the face of a verse that it does not say what it says. There are no worse liars than people who lie right in the presence of Truth. Such liars are incurable.

Can you show one passage that any "Trinitarian" has attempted to retranslate? Can you show any example of a "Trinitarian" saying that any translation is wrong just to support the doctrine of the Trinity? Have you guys ever neglected to make the excuse that the stronger RCC forced meanings and verses into all translations of the Scriptures to make them speak of the Trinity?

In fact, I don't have a problem taking you guys on with your very own Bible, the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures. Boomark couldn't handle the heat, do you think you can? Believe me, your heart has to be hardened like granite and your conscience numb like a frost-bitten toe for you to insist that the Trinity is unbiblical. Just dare to consent to proving that the Trinity is unbiblical using your very own version of the Bible and see what happens.

I see! I have been looking for you. I dint know that you ran away. I thought you went offline to have some sober reflection on what you have learnt so far. But you are here making mouth.

I heard you want to become a theologian abi pastor. Just make sure you obey all the rules because you wunt be happy with the stubborn truth. You can't go against it.

frosbel: Enigma will come nowhere near here, trust me, he will be walking on a landmine and his reputation might well be at stake !!

Hmm...its better for that reputation to be flawed now and he builds a new one than to be blasted by dynamites.