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Hmmm!

This is revealing. No escape indeed.

For those of you claiming they get inspirations from the spirit, know that the bible is where the promised whole truth is written and not for individuals.

And for those that are talking about LAW with respect to tithe, see what the law is according to the new covenant.

Romans 13:8-10
New International Version (NIV)

Love Fulfills the Law
8 Let no debt remain outstanding,
except the continuing debt to love
one another, for whoever loves
others has fulfilled the law. 9 The
commandments, “You shall not
commit adultery,” “You shall not
murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You
shall not covet,” and whatever
other command there may be, are
summed up in this one command:
“Love your neighbor as
yourself.” 10 Love does no harm
to a neighbor. Therefore love is the
fulfillment of the law.

Your pastors may never tell you this. Therefore i have brought it to you as a priest of God.

Those with Christ and the poor with love for God and their neighbour will triumph. These are the weightier matters.

Pastor Kun: This is were you are wrong. There is evidence all over the scriptures that christ pre exited as a being before his incarnation on earth via mary. If you continue along this path you would be setting yourself up for ridicule by these trinitarians who have already been beaten black and blue based on their false doctrine. What you are doing here is simply giving them ammunition to use against you. I would suggest you go back to scriptures and take a sound biblical position on this like you have done in other areas.

Hahaha...ewoh!

Adding salt to injury.

joe4christ: And what would you call that? The spoil was his immidiate income at that moment, tithing is paying 10% of your immidiate earnings in terms of income or you might tag it as profit and not your total savings, it's just the 10% out of your immidiate profits for business men and women and 10% of your salary or wages as a income earner.
Abraham was a man of wisdom, he gave tithe even before the law, so much that even apostle paul made effancies on him and his act of tithing, what a blessed man indeed,
remember also that the person he gave his tithe was a priest called melchizadek (cant remember the spelling now) he was said to be a priest without beginning or end, he was said not have died, he was said to be in the rank order of christ Jesus, does'nt that sound like a mystery to you all, well let me not go further less i confuse you the more, melchizedek lived on, cos he never died, and being a priest forver means he's still a priest, so is there gonna be a priest other than christ who also would live as a priest forever other than christ?
Now u see how coded the logo is without the rhema, if the spirit of God does not interprete this to you u then u might just end up wallowing is the dark.
Learn to study the scriptures prayerfully, depending totally on the holy spirit for interpretation, he wont lead you astray...

So how do we now give to Christ the Highpriest priest according to the order of Melchizedek?

Goshen360: At your honour my dearest sister, I will start the exposition on Hebrews chapter 7.

Waiting...

birdman: Please point out the holy deeds here.

I want to see it too.

Enigma: Oh well, Why not?

1 John 5:20
We know also that the Son of
God has come and has given us
understanding, so that we may
know him who is true. And we
are in him who is true--even in
his Son Jesus Christ. He is the
true God and eternal life.

Understanding palava! Don't see from your quote...The one who is true. Or do you need to be reminded of what Christ said about Him. That is why Christ came...to make us know Him.

[quote author=tpia@]you cultists really need to forsake your cultism if you're pretending to be christian.

otherwise, you're fooling your own self, not God.

stop looking for excuses why you wont pay tithe- if you dont want to pay, no need to start twisting scriptures in a bid to appear sanctimonious.

1 John 4[/quote]Which spirit gave you the utterance to call us cultists?
Have you ever mentioned the Highpriest(Christ) since the debate started?
Are you not a gentile? So why should you be paying tithe or following Christ in the first place?

All these because you don't study the word of God. I don't mean to read it. And you don't know what the new covenant with Christ is all about.

According to what is written in
Lu10:25-27 and 1Jn4:20,21. These two things will give you everlasting life - love God and your neighbour.

While these two things will take you no where - love God and pay your tithe very very faithfully.

If you and your pastors have anything contrary bring it on, then i will bring you to your knees.

Am a priest also according to the new covenant. tpia go and learn how to love practically.

And don't call us cultist again before i flog somebody.

Boomark:

Hahaha.

All these insults insults for
somebody you don't believe
exist. I don't think you deserve
to call yourself logicboy.
But since you have chosen to
use it, act like somebody that
can handle it. And stop
disgracing your self in the
public.

Don't you see i was laffing @ your attitude? Its like somebody wanting to nail the wind he believes does not exist.

Its just an advice for you to think logically.

Logicboy03: If you two "holier than thou" christians are not vexed by atheists comments, why do you guyz complain about their behaviour on threads? Hmm?

Point out one let me see.

Ubenedictus: i wasnt argueing that point.

being "servant" is a position he took for us phil 2:6, as for subjection, he has by relation always been subject to the fada.

what of as the Father being His God? Does it mean subjection is not applied in this case?

he is head over all things, by thing d scriptures means created things. GOD isnt among "all things

Ok. While God is the head of all thing and also all in all with no exception.

by d very fact dat d fada is fada that means by relation d son is 'subject'.

How about the Father being His God? Does that not make Him his subject? Because a king of a community, have the people of that community as his subjects.

Ubenedictus: weytin dis one min?

wetin dis one min be say, trinity defense from the bible na cut and join and quench. With twists and lots of mysteries wherever they quench.

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ijawkid: You should be asking why I put"" other"" na....

The answers have been staring right @ you.....

Jesus is the 1st born of God.......

Jesus is the 1st of Gods creative works.....

Let's read 1 corinthians 8:6

New Living Translation (©2007)
But we know that there is only one God, the
Father, ""who created everything"", and we live
for him. And there is only one Lord, Jesus
Christ, through whom God made everything and
""through"" whom we have been given life.


......

Let me bring out some pertinent points...

1....1 .God who created everything(including Jesus)...

2....Jesus through whom God created everything(excluding Christ himself who God created 1st)....

...........

I had quoted a scripture in John. Which shows God is the source and cause of Jesus' life....

John 6:57......
New Living Translation (©2007)
I live because of the living Father who sent
me; in the same way, anyone who feeds on me
will live because of me.


God is the source of Jesus' life....Jesus exists and live because of God the Father.....

The minute u realize this truth the better for you....

That is Jesus speaking there.....

As in, everything is clear with with link mechanism. If you want it in chain reaction, e dey.

Its not like cut and join and quench.

Reyginus: Lol. This is an isolated issue. If the written words of an atheist can annoy me, am not worthy to be a christain. How then can I be able to overcome greater temptations? By the way, am used to you guys.

if they want, make them raise their two legs up as they do it. And the sentence long from nairaland to Jamaica i no send. Am very sure i have power over that.

Ubenedictus: what did i twist? Did d son stop sitting with his fada? Answer me!

What is the meaning of "until" in Greek? If i know what 'until' means i will now know whether He will stop sitting with the Father.

my point is dat d dominion of christ has no end. Can u fault that?

No! His dominion over us has no end while He is subject to the Father and the Father remains all in all(no exceptions). Can you fault that?

it is sumtin i have proved again and again, bt u have eyes nd u dnt see

simply to born, to sire a child, to bring him forth from ur substance. In d literal sense it doesnt mean to create. My dad didnt create me he sire me, unless u wish to interprete it with biology.

Good. Out of the Fathers substance He came be. Just like out your fathers substance you came to be. If you want, sumersault the meaning it must click.

hahaha, and u just luv keeping ur own opinions even wen it contradicts d word of God.

everything trinititous is against the word of God.

2buff: I don't "well know". It just sounds to me like you find it difficult to love.
I take it you would also suspect that the man crawling to you with a bleeding bullet wound in his leg is just using it as a ruse to r@pe you as soon as you approach him to help. On that matter of yours, I have nothing to say but "seek spiritual help" lol.

I was actually jobless during that period. My budget was already tight until I found new work.
All I had to give any soul was what I had for tithe from my very last paycheck. I did as led, and I have been happy with the results of my actions since then.

My reward is my own

cheers.

You are actually loving your neighbour as your self. Which is one of the requirements for eternal life, Lu10:25. Don't be discouraged.

[quote author=tpia@]the money you were intending to use for a new car, pair of jeans, girlfriend, etc, can also be used to help the poor.


the price of two bottles of odeku (beer) can feed someone.


you and your girlfriend/s can donate the funds meant for brazilian hair and blackberry, as well as buying nollywood movies to add to the thousands of titles you already have, can also be given to the poor.[/quote]Yes! Blackberry and Brazilian hair money+tithe money can be used to help the poor. That is what De14:28 says.

Joagbaje: God never stopped tithes . Or offerings . He may not accept blood sacrifice because Jesus blood had covered all. But the principle of offerings is still there. You can't have true worship without offerings and sacrifice . The spiritual principles of God are eternal .

You can't say because Jesus had prayed for us or interceding for us so we should never pray again. Hope you get my point

Please read your bibles and not where the "MOG" INSTRUCT you to read.

God be

How about the principle of tithing? Since we now have a Highpriest(Jesus) and we all are a nation of priesthood(1peter2:5).

Most of you have been avoiding to mention our Highpriest.

Ubenedictus: very well then. I believe in reading scriptures as one unified whole and that is what i will do.
25 say "for he must reing until he has put all his enemies under his feet" the word "until" in greek doesnt imply a cessation, so Jesus wont stop reinging after d enemies are under his feet. As proof see heb1:13 is didnt say Jesus if leave d fada right hand after d enimies are under his feet. So in line with d greek i say dat vs 25 doesnt imply that Jesus will stop reigning. 26 say d last to be distroyed is death and 27 says that d fada isnt put in subjection to christ, 28 say even after all is subjected to christ that christ is still subject to d fada wu put everything under him, and God may be all in all. I wish to submit that wen the scriptures say that "GOD MAy b all in all" christ isnt exempted, read it with d entire scriptures. Dan7:14 say that d dominion of christ over all is everlasting and shall never pass away. Anyone wu say dat 1cor say d dominion of christ wont last 4ever, is a heretic wu contradict d bible, ísa9:7 say christ government shall have no end, "from dis time forth and for evermore" so ever after christ gives d kingdom to his fada christ will continue to reign supreme over creation lk 1:33 say d kingdom of christ has no end. The same word used to explain d dominion of d fada is used 4 d son col3:11 "christ is all and in all" and as i have shown that dominion will not end. Heb1:8 say the thron of christ is 4 ever, his dominion will never end. 2Pt1:11 say the kingdom of christ is "ETERNAL". So i believe that the reign where "GOD IS ALL IN ALL" doesnt in anyway excude the son. The son will alway reign with his fada even after he gives d kingdom to his fada that is true accding to rev21:22-26 d fada AND THE SON are d temple in d new heaven and earth. Not d fada alone. Even in the new heaven Jesus still sit on the throne with his father rev22:3. This is a proof why i believe the trinity, God wu is all in all isnt d fada alone, d son is all in all. The fada alone doesnt sit on d throne, the son also does. And even after the son gives d throne to the fada the son still continues to have dominion over all creation becos his kingdom is eternal, everlasting and has no end.
THE SON IS SUBJECT TO THE FADA
One very good point made in dat passage is the "relational subordination" of the son to the fada. If you ask me how i understand this, i will clearly explain, but the point remains that by relation d son is, has been, and even in eternity will be subordinate to the fada. And incase u have started jumping, this doesnt affect the fact that they are coequal in nature and essence.

TWISTER! What is the meaning of until in greek b4 they translate it to English.

God is all in all over all that He heads. Christ and man too to all they head. By that time, Christ should have reconciled everything back to our God so that he will be all in all.

Co-equality is what you can never prove in this world. Once one is subject to the other. No matter how you twist it.

no! Im not, read above i guess u are using "until" in d english sense instead of d greek.

it seems u and ijawkid have a problem with understanding, so Begotten mean created hahaha and Jesus is d only begotten son of d fada. U are saying "Jesus is d only created son of d fada". If begotten means created and Jesus is d only begotten (d bible says d angel werent begotten), tell me how d angels came about, how come the angel? U see ur silliness u equate begotten to created that means Jesus is d only created of d fada. So tell me hw come the angels.
Begotten doesnt mean created. Next time u guys want to lie find a better lie to tell. Because begotten doesnt mean created.
hahaha, were u not d one wu said begotten means created?

please tell us what begotten means in Greek b4 they translate it to english.

What i noticed is that may be you want to become rev father and we are trying to chatter your childhood dream. Therefore you say any thing just to keep your dream alive.

Joagbaje: There were 3 kinds of tithes . The one for the poor is done every three years . And it doesnt take the place of the anual one which has to be taken to the place of worship

what of the other kinds of tithe. Also tell us Why the other kinds are now every week.

[quote author=A-ZeD]When two or three are gathered in my name, i am there... So my place of worship can be under the bridge with two beggars.
Its not a tithe until it passed through a pastor? I thought we were all pastors called to proclaim the good news..[/quote]Hahaha. You are there!

I have not heard any of them mention our Highpriest Lord Jesus and what He wants. The are busy protecting their pastors pocket.

Forgetting that all of us are now priest(pastors) according to the new covenant, 1Peter2:5.

Ubenedictus: that i repeat is a stupid question, it is like asking wu was bookmark b4 he was born?? JESUS WASNT BORN IN TIME HE WAS BORN B4 TIME.

I asked you whose image He was since you said He has been existing along side the Father from eternity.

The time i was born is the my father begot me and that the time i bore his image.

Like you said up there that Jesus was born b4 time, that makes Him the beginning according to scriptures.

Am happy you are now getting the gist.

joe4christ: [size=15pt]Here are lists of all the bible verses from the Old and New
Testament that are about tithing.
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Genesis 14:20 – Melchizedek comes out to meet
Abraham, as Abraham gives him a tithe of the spoils of
his victory.
Genesis 28:20-22 – After the vision of God’s renewed
covenant, Jacob initiates a covenant with God vowing to
give him a tithe of what he receives from the promised
land.
Leviticus 27:30-32 – The specifications of the tithe is
introduced into the law of Moses.
Numbers 18:20-32 – The tithe is dedicated the Levites for
the work in the tabernacle.
Deuteronomy 12:5-11 – God gives instructions for what
to do with the tithe once Israel crosses the Jordan.
Deuteronomy 14:22-29 – God gives instructions on how
to disperse and exchange the tithe.
Deuteronomy 26:12-15 – God gives instructions on how
Israel should sanctify the tithe before they can ask for a
blessing.
2 Chronicles 31:5-12 – The children of Israel do what’s
right under the reign of Hezekiah, and bring the tithes to
the designated places.
Nehemiah 10:37-38 – Israel obeys God and brings the
tithes to the storehouse.
Nehemiah 12:44 – Officers were appointed to watch over
the tithes in the storehouse.
Nehemiah 13:5-12 – Nehemiah cleanses the storehouse
and kicks Tobiah out of the room that was designated to
store the tithe. He then restores order.
Amos 4:4 – God commands Israel to bring back the tithe
and reiterates the curse that is upon them if they don’t.
Malachi 3:8-10 – God reprimands Israel for not delivering
the tithe, and reiterates the blessings and curse that
would be in result of whatever decision they chose.
Matthew 23:23 – Jesus rebukes the Pharisees for not
obeying the weightier matters of the law along with
tithing.
Luke 11:42 – A parallel passage of Matthew 23:23 as Jesus
rebukes the Pharisees for not obeying the weightier
matters of the law along with tithing.
Luke 18:12 – A Pharisee brags about his obedience to the
law and tithing.
Hebrews 7:5-9 – Abraham’s tithe is used to illustrate a
change concerning the priesthood.

Good! A change in priesthood. Can you honestly tell us who is now the priest according Hebrew.

joe4christ: No, you go back and check my response to that question, my pastor is not my teacher, the holy spirit is, i guess that's the difference between you and i, i listen to the holy spirit unvailing mysteries of the kindom of God while you listen to the wisdom of men the bible says will fail.
Who do you listen to?

I hope the mysteries you receive is in line with what is written in the bible. The bible contains the word of God and if what you receive is contrary to the word of God...hope you know what it means.

There are so many spirits of deceit. They don't mind making it look godly just to get you. Just beware.

[quote author=A-ZeD]Please brother what is the church? Is it the buildings or the people?[/quote]I tire o!
May be his pastor will have to give him the answer. They don't know the purpose tithe served.

The focal point is to help those in need, those that don't have etc.

THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT RECEIVE TITHE.

Deuteronomy 14:28-29
New International Version - UK
(NIVUK)
28 At the end of every three years,
bring all the tithes of that year’s
produce and store it in your towns,
29 so that the Levites (who have
no land allotted to them or any
inheritance of their own) and the
foreigners, the fatherless and the
widows who live in your towns
may come and eat and be satisfied,
and so that the LORD your God may
bless you in all the work of your
hands.

The levites are not priests. They are the ones that give tithe of all they receive to the priest.

Now we have no levites according to the new covenant with Christ but a generation of priests(all of us. 1Peter2:9). We as priests have a Highpriest(Christ) over us.

We now give to the Highpriest. This is how we give to Him-Matt25:37-40. Whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers that you do unto me. Still making reference to the poor. This is just what delights Him. Make it your priority.

People should stop saying my pastor says and follow what the bible says.

Logicboy03: So, people that say that the easter bunny is ridiculous are now illogical?


There lies a point in criticising an imaginary idea of something.



You are too brainwashed to see it.

I see. You enjoy thinking of things you don't know if they exist and giving them names. Don't be bitter about them o!

plappville: Then keep praying for God to show you where/how you should pay your tithe. Until He reveals it to you, the poor will be glad to recieve it

of course! They should be in the priority list. According to Mt 25:37-40 and according to the new covenant with Christ.

nekycole: I agree with Joagbaje's comment. I think given to the poor is a means of sowing and not tithing. Your tithe should be paid to your local assembly where you worship.

Which one is sowing again? Is it the same thing with sowing seed they do in the church?

Logicboy03: God is a fool, a slowpoke.


Do you really think atheists care about your imaginary hell?

Hahaha.

All these insults insults for somebody you don't believe exist. I don't think you deserve to call yourself logicboy.

But since you have chosen to use it, act like somebody that can handle it. And stop disgracing your self in the public.

[quote author=A-ZeD]I can pray to God anywhere because he is everywhere.
I can listen to God's word anywhere because he is everywhere.

But i must pay my tithe ONLY in church because that is the only place God is when it comes to money matters.[/quote]I know you must be very serious according to what they told you.

Read my post above and see where Christ is interest when it comes to money matters(giving).