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Pastor Kun, how come you don't teach trinity in your church? Your G.O will fire you o.

frosbel: Where is Enigma the Coward and his entourage.

Trust him to avoid complex questions

Am also looking for my love-Ihedinobi. Please come us. We are not enemies. Enigma is also downloading the tune. It will take just a little time.

Sisi_Kill: Enough with this Jehovah Witness is the best crapola.

How a church which churns out the most miserable looking....miserable existing set of people ever seen can be touted as the best in anything. . . is beyond me.

Deeper Life and Jehovah witness should only be brought up when the discourse is about how to turn people off Christianity. Those two churches make a very strong case for that topic.

Can your church boldly compete with them in terms of contentment? Name your church. Its just like when a bigger babe with more money than you have, living an extravagant life sees you and said you are miserable. Does that make you miserable? Unless you are miserable and not contented, you are the only one to say so not the extravagant girl.

Watch the picture on the first page. They are happily smiling and sleeping.

If the angels are from the Almighty God and they believe that Jesus is Lord and sent by God, then i would love to see them.

This what you guys should be saying since you know that angels have appeared to men before. Do not worship them. If they accept your worship, know that they are not from God.

Don't start criticizing what you don't know yet. But i still don't understand why they should come and learn human character.

Image123: once upon a time, ..... time time.

Its high time you went into sober reflection since EVERYTHING you know and use to defend trinity has been debunked.

Ubenedictus: check d new Jerusalem bible.

Ok.

With the work we have been doing, i know most of them are now getting the gist.

Most might be wondering "how can these things be true." when they don't have any thing to disprove it. Like i said before, it is a win win for all of us. It is to the glory of God if you believe the truth our lord Jesus Christ brought to us. That shows that you have faith and trust in our lord Jesus.

That time i use to read 1COR15:27-28 again and again as i can change something there to suit what i believe, but i can't.

Why did Jesus say that the Father is greater than I?
Clue! Check Corinthians above.

ijawkid: And exactly What is your point mr alex ferguson??

:-)

We are waiting Mr Ferguson.

Ubenedictus: im sure u are joking the priest and pastors has nothing to do with the fact that the name of God disappeared as early as 1bc the name of God was no longer in use.

Do i look like am joking? Or do you think what i quoted from the scripture is a joke.

Have they not also said that it is too holy to be mentioned?
What have they done to make sure it is restored?
What have they done to make sure that people use it to glorify my Father?

sadeiyare: Wow, you haven't even read my book. Friend, take it easy on me. An angel told me how he was a uniben students years back, to learn stuff about humans. Can you tell me categorically, every person that has helped you in life were all humans.in an angelic trip to heaven, I saw endless halls of computer factories. Remember Abraham, Joshua, Peter,even Paul .e.t.c

Heb.13:1 Let brotherly love continue. 2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares

Still wondering about the learning stuff.

For those of you that believe that they should not call God by His name because it is too holy. I have something for you. You are being deceived by the Jews, your priest and pastors.

Exodus 3:14-15 (NIV)

14 God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I
AM. This is what you are to say to
the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to
you.' " 15 God also said to Moses,
"Say to the Israelites, 'The LORD,
the God of your fathers--the God of
Abraham, the God of Isaac and the
God of Jacob--has sent me to you.'
This is my name forever, THE NAME BY WHICH I AM TO BE REMEMBERED FROM GENERATION TO GENERATION.

He did not tell Moses and the Israelites not to mention it because it is too holy. But that He will be remembered by It forever. Christ came and made His name known.

God will tell you something, but you chose to obey what the Jews, pastors and priests gave as reason not to call the name of my Heavenly Father.

Chose ye today whom ye serve.
The Jews, pastors, priests or God.

For those of you that believe that they should not call God by His name because it is too holy. I have something for you. You are being deceived by the Jews, your priest and pastors.

Exodus 3:14-15 (NIV)

14 God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I
AM. This is what you are to say to
the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to
you.' " 15 God also said to Moses,
"Say to the Israelites, 'The LORD,
the God of your fathers--the God of
Abraham, the God of Isaac and the
God of Jacob--has sent me to you.'
This is my name forever, THE NAME BY WHICH I AM TO BE REMEMBERED FROM GENERATION TO GENERATION.

He did not tell Moses and the Israelites not to mention it because it is too holy. But that He will be remembered by It forever. Christ came and made His name known.

God will tell you something, but you chose to obey what the Jews, pastors and priests gave as reason not to call the name of my Heavenly Father.

Chose ye today whom ye serve.
The Jews, pastors, priests or God.

frosbel: Brilliant !

I think we should be patient and easy on our brothers , they truly do not understand and are worried that God will disown them if they discard this pagan doctrine.

we have sown the seed, God will make it germinate and in due course they will abandon this dogma.

My brother. I know some will also be wondering which church they will start attending if they believe this truth.

My advice to them is: stay where you are but hold fast to the truth you have learnt. With time you can decide whether to move or stay. The most important thing is the truth you know.

Sure! that seed will surely germinate and bear good fruits.

Ihedinobi: Stop bothering with me, dude. If you did not and cannot see that you contradicted yourself saying that God was the Speaker in Hebrews 1 (which fact I corroborated with evidence from 5 translations including your own personal JW Bible) of which verse 10 is a part and then turning around to insist that the words of the same verse were not meant for Christ, what more can I do for you? You are only showing yourself to be a liar or anti-intellectual (which both amount to the same thing).

If you like, believe. If you don't like, don't believe. Wetin be my own? Go to frosbel and learn the permutations necessary to turn that verse around, dude. I don't care to deal with you anymore. You guys are either well-established liars or just plain i.diots (even confused maybe? ) going by your difficulties with glaring language.

Yeah, you're my ENEMIES. Anyone who opposes Christ is.

Hahaha! You don't know how much i love you. How do we oppose Christ? What if i say you are opposing the word of God with trinity. That means you oppose what Christ came for. In other words opposing Christ.

Image123: frosb
Is the Lord one?
do you accept and believe Jesus is the Lord?

Yes the lord is one and
Yes Jesus is lord.

So what do you have to say about it lets see?

@Ihedinobi

Haha! Change that stubborn contradiction to stubborn truth which you cannot disprove. Light cannot be hidden in the dark. But it seems what ever you have to say is now hidden in the dark. Because you have not show a single scripture that proves my explanations wrong.

Concerning ps110:1, i asked tevinsolt a question for him to show me how it proves that God is One. I just want to learn from him or else i will show a stubborn truth. Don't mind we are all learning. May God help us all.

I hope you call you call us your enemies. Thank Goodness you are referring to satan.

Image123: What is intellectual honesty, anything that supports your notions? See for instance someone like "Boomark" the post above me, arguing against God being One! He says "How does ps110:1 show that our God is one?". If a 'Trinitarian' says God is Yahweh, him and his likes are likely to say God is not Yahweh, just for argument sake. i expect his noble dishonesty to edit his post though, whatever rocks ya boat. An intellectual should be intelligent enough to be stable in his thought process. If the Bible says the Lord our God is One, or One Lord as correctly rendered, then if you insist that there is only one God, by the same measure do insist that there is only one Lord, only one Saviour. This would ultimately make your ilk deny Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour. Jesus is Lord is in itself a statement of victory for the Trinity, because there is only one Lord, not two. There is only one Saviour, not two. It is only honesty that makes one to conclude that there is either an obvious mystery about the issue OR a obvious contradiction. It is dishonesty to sit on the fence on this, and be laying claims to what nobody said. i'd be a fool to consider that frosb and his cohorts would rationally discuss this post instead of giving a wave of hand comment since i discouraged him from letting copy and paste think for him.


The simple point of the Trinity is that God is in three persons, Blessed Trinity. Don't you know that nice hymn "Holy, Holy, Holy"? It's not the same person but Three persons. That God remains One is the mystery we're talking about. Succintly put, we can say that God raised Jesus Christ. Which of the persons in the Godhead, now that truly is not too clear. My answer is still God. Is it God the Father? Yes. Is it God the Son? i'll unpopularly say maybe. Is it God the Spirit? Yes. Consider these 4scriptures.
1. Act 13:30 But God raised him from the dead:
2. Galatians 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead
3. 1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
4. Joh 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
Joh 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
Was Jesus talking tongue in cheek when He said "In three days I will raise it up"? Should not He have said "In three days, God the Father will raise it up"?

I know what am doing. I asked him a question. I want to know how according to ps110:1, the Son sitting at the right hand of the Father made them One God. Cos i can't use what is out of context to show that God is one.

Now for those clapping for image123 for his hasty conclusion and shouting 'perfect', on jn2:19-21. We all know that the Father raised Jesus from the dead. And he is trying to tell us that Jesus raised Himself from the dead. Therefore He is the same person as the Father. I wonder what is the actual definition of trinity.

Let me explain it to you because you refuse to pay attention to v21. 'The temple is in His body'.

Read this:
jn12:6-8
6 But i tell you that some thing greater than the temple is here....8 For Lord of the Sabbath is what the Son of man is.
I hope you know that Christ is our High priest. When He came, everything the priest and phareseas were doing in the temple matters no more cos the High priest has come. He controls everything in the temple of God as the High priest.

See what happened. In three days God raised Him from dead and He in turned raised the temple for God as the High priest just as it is the work of the priest, Levites etc to raise/build a temple for God. He is our High priest in service to God. Read your Hebrew well.

Ihedinobi: Word!

I would be happier if you endorse Frosbel's quotes above, which are from the bible with this your 'Word!' or don't you think it merits it?

They are what Christ said 'means everlasting life'

How do you know you are in the truth? Your not the only one that believes that. Atheists, Muslims, catholic, Pentecostal, Jehovah's witness etc, all believe they are in the truth. As a Christian, your being in the truth should conform with the word of God, period.

I don't who found you but if it is our lord Jesus, He will help you prove my explanations wrong and i will also learn from it. Test the spirit base on the word of God. Don't be disappointed that what you have been hearing from your friends might be wrong. It better to obey God rather men. Be it a pastor or priest. You can invite your friends to prove me wrong.

I like your write up, cos am sensing a kind of calmness in it which is good for Christians. But it dint prove me wrong from the scriptures.

Ihedinobi: I've lost this response many times to bad network already. I really don't care to keep reproducing it.

Five translations I used including the JW Bible a.k.a the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures hold that the Person speaking in Hebrews 1:10 is God and the Person being spoken to/about is the Son. So, your submission that the verse is refering to the Father is either a blatant lie or a genuine confusion on your part. Furthermore, it is a contradiction for you to say so considering that you yourself had reproduced nearly the whole chapter to show that it was God Who was addressing Christ.

My brother, God will bless your network for you to continue in the things that you're learning. Me too am learning.

Am surprised you use NEW WORLD TRANSLATION and you are still not seeing things. I use it to make chains of references(links) and compare with other translations. That is why it is difficult to neutralize my explanations using the scriptures.

From Genesis to Revelation, we know that it is God(the Father) that laid the foundation of the heavens and the earth and that He created all things except Himself. We also know that all things where created through our lord Jesus Christ and for Him.

Why would it come to Hebrew1:10 and change. Unless you are among those that believe that Jesus is the Father and also the Holy spirit appearing in different forms but still the same person, then it will make sense to you. I know you are not at that level.

You see? I dint reproduce any thing by my self cos i wunt gain any thing from it. The church i attend believes in trinity but as for me, i know what i know. Most pastors will not be in their church again if they start teaching that our God and Father is One. So they have to continue.

tevinsolt: "our God is one lord" doesn't equate to One person. the answers lies in the bible.
Psalm 110:1 - A psalm. The LORD says to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.".....and notice this are from the old testament the root which Christianity and Islam came from
Daniel also recorded many of his visions in Daniel 7:13-14

As my vision continued that night, I saw someone like a son of man coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient One and was led into his presence.He was GIVEN authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

and this was many years before Jesus was born. and it is important to keep in mind God said, he is the I Am, and he will never share his glory with any man....so what does that make Jesus?

now to answer your questions.......the Bible says Yahweh is the God of all flesh......the word, which is Jesus became flesh and dwelt among men. when he prayed he was only communicating with God as he has always done before incarnation only now he has to pray because he is limited in nature just like any other human.
my God is greater than i, simply means God the father is higher than me in rank i am his son but coequal in essence

now my question to you op is ...God is love who was he loving before any creation?
well my answer is God is self sufficient, he deliberates withing himself cuz it says so in the bible.....what is your response to this?

How does ps110:1 show that our God is one?
Don't you notice any thing in Dan7, the reverence for the Ancient of Days. And that everything was GIVEN to the Son of man by the Ancient of Days. Don't just focus on what was given bt also who gave.

Ubenedictus: learn to read well please Jesus said "hear o isreal d lord our God..." only a stupid bible student will refuse to notice that Jesus was quote d shema from deut. And used d word as it was written. Jesus doesnt address God as our God he says "your God and my God". Please read well. JESUS created creation, he doesnt equate himself to it

i just saw u are a muslim, discussing this issue with u will b futile.

We are not all Muslim. Please go ahead and explain "the Father is greater than I".

Also tell us why the Father is the God of our lord Jesus. There must be a reason for that. It is not just a statement. The apostles said it, Ephesians1:3, it appeared in revelations1:6 so wunt say it is because He is still on earth.
I will be glad to learn.

Anyigala: As some people have posted already, there are numerous instances in the Bible where Christ explicitly equal Himself to God. Also, some of His actions logically equal Him to God. One example, Christ in more than one occasion forgive peoples' sins. Now, I can forgive someone that sin against me, but only God can forgive someone generally because our sins offends Him. This is what Jesus Christ precisely did in Matthew 9:2 "Some men brought to him a paralyzed man, lying on a mat. When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the man, “Take heart, son; your sins are forgiven.” He is also called Lord and God in numerous occasions by His disciples but he never for once tell them not to.
Finally, This is what C. S Lewis has to say about this topic:
“I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept his claim to be God. That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic — on the level with the man who says he is a poached egg — or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God, or else a madman or something worse. You can shut him up for a fool, you can spit at him and kill him as a demon or you can fall at his feet and call him Lord and God, but let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about his being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to.”

I almost clicked (Report) when i saw this. Well Anyi na small small. No one is perfect. God will help us all to come to know the truth about Him. Always read from the bible.

Image123: wasn't it you that felt that he is not a Christian but an atheist? see as you dey fall my hand making muske to shed tears even.

Yes i felt it because i thought he is just making fun of the truth in the bible. Besides, atheism is a belief not an insult.

Ihedinobi: If you can manage it, dude, shut up.

Chai! This is frustration at its peak. The truth will set you free.

Ihedinobi: Evidence that you're currently
phasing through idiocy? Your
comment quoted above evidently
did not take account of
image123's statement that Jesus
was "God-become-Man". The
Bible tells you that His becoming
100% Man did not preclude
Jesus's Godhood. It only made
Him positionally LESS THAN HIS FATHER.

New International Version
(©1984)
But we see Jesus, who
was made a little LOWER THAN THE ANGELS, now
crowned with glory and
honor because he suffered
death, so that by the
grace of God he might
taste death for everyone.

Which priest abi pastor taught you that one? You better start reading your bible. See it from the scripture, it is a little lower than the angels.

Ihedinobi: See what plagues all of you guys? Pitting Scriptures against themselves. Which one is the superior Scripture indeed? And you think we should care about your contradictory arguments. Smh.

"I and my Father are one" and "the Father is greater than I". Ofcause i don't expect to you to have an answer to it base on your belief. They are in the bible but trinity makes them contradictory.

I know you don't like to see the second one "THE FATHER IS GREATER THAN I." Sorry o, it is in the bible.

New International Version
(©1984)
For this reason he had to be
made like his brothers in every
way, in order that he might
become a merciful and faithful
high priest IN SERVICE TO GOD,
and that he might make
atonement for the sins of the
people.

Ifedinobi! Dint you see that? He is a mediator, a high priest IN SERVICE TO GOD.

You should stop insulting people. Those following the footsteps of Christ, ie Christians don't do that. Unless you are not taught the Christian way?

Ihedinobi: Because of network problems, I couldn't post the foregoing post until now. And I saw your reconciliation of the colored texts after posting. Well, like I said, the more you try to make it work to suit your unBiblical position, the more you create contradictions and outright falsehoods.

Do you realize how that is a very direct contradiction of the information in Hebrew 1? I hope you do, because while I'm losing interest in pursuing this discussion with you, I'm gaining interest in your apparent dishonesty. Depending on whether this dishonesty is apparent or true, I will disengage or go open season on you.

So Mr Truthhood, tell me what is true.
Just check out the principle: God created all thing and He created all things Through our lord Jesus.
Do you see that. So sweet. You can't prove it wrong. I gave you bible quotes and you said they unbiblical.

Am beginning to doubt if you are a Christian. Am now thinking you are an 'Arteyist' or whatever.
I have your gun and bullets and you can't stone me.

My dear am still open to learning. Prove me wrong from the scripture.

Chuksxp: We are not stoning you for any
good work,” they replied, “ but
for blasphemy, because you, a
mere man, claim to be God. ” ~
John 10:33

For this reason they tried all the
more to kill him; not only was
he breaking the Sabbath, but he
was even calling God his own
Father, making himself equal
with God. ~ John 5:18


Even the Jews back then understood the implications of Jesus' statement.

This just shows that TRINITY IS THE DOCTRINE OF MEN.

You chose not to believe what Christ said(that He is the Son of God, jn10:36) but what the Jews gave as their reason to stone Him(that He claim to be God, verse33)

You chose not to believe that Christ said "that what He sees the Father do...that, the Son also does." Jn5:19. And the what He said in verse17 "My Father has been working until now, and I have been working." But you chose to believe the reason the Jews sought to kill Him(that He said God was His Father, making Himself equal with God, v18)

You should also base your faith in God on the reason the Jews have killing Him at the end. Pure doctrine of men.
What the Jews said is not what Christ told us, hence it doesn't come from God. So stop putting your faith in the Jews.

Ok i now get it. You want me to reconcile Hebrew1:10-12 to the statement below it.

Heb1:
10 And: "You, LORD, in the
beginning laid the foundation
of the earth, And the heavens
are the work of Your hands.
11 They will perish, but You
remain; And they will all grow
old like a garment;
12 Like a cloak You will fold them
up, And they will be changed.
But You are the same, And Your
years will not fail."

"The word GOD does not
make Him greater than or equal
to the Father".

It is important to understand who verse10 is talking about. Read this:

Isa45:18
New International Version
(©1984)
For this is what the LORD
says--he who created the
heavens, he is God; he
who fashioned and made
the earth, he founded it;
he did not create it to be
empty, but formed it to
be inhabited--he says: "I
am the LORD, and there is
no other. Gen1:1 also.

Rev4:11
New International Version
(©1984)
"You are worthy, our Lord
and God, to receive glory
and honor and power, for
you created all things, and
by your will they were
created and have their
being."

Verse10 says 'You LORD....' It is obvious this is making reference to the Father. Because From the verses above and others, He created all things including the firstborn of His creation.

But when it comes to Christ being related with creation, the bible will say "...THROUGH whom all things were created".

So my statement is correct. Haven't you read where Christ said "the Father is greater than I". That is a 'thought for food'

Ihedinobi: Ok. So you confirm you're a selective reader. No wonder then. Since you can't scroll up the page to see what I pointed out in your explanations, Professor Humble Truth-possessor, I'll reproduce it in my next post.

I'd like to see you make another excuse then.

So what you want Christ to do is to speak to John by Himself and say "God gave me a revelation to give to you John and I will express it by means my angels." before He introduce the revelation. Just like you think a minister will do, if not you will not believe Revelation1:1. That He was talking about Himself in verse8 and not actually presenting the Revelation given to Him by God.

So is this how to be a selective reader? You can also Link Rev1:1 to Hebrew1:1-2 and to so many places in the bible where Christ said that what He does is the will of the Father who sent Him. Am sorry brother, you can't dispute it.

If you say that Jesus said "I and my Father are one", i will tell you that He also said "The Father is greater than I".

Which of these is a superior statement? How you interpret them matters.