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Bidam: Whatever..suit yourself.

Bidam: Sorry bro..the reason why i avoid you as much as possible is because you are not adding any value to my discuss..It is very profitable to follow the advise of Paul here "But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes 2 Timothy 2:23

Ihedinobi: Friend, perhaps, but brother? Most definitely not. All my family is built around the Lord Jesus, very God and very Man. The Jesus you claim is one I do not know. If you interpret that as hating you, why should I disagree with you?

Bidam: Because it stinks that's why. your mind set is also the reason why you are unteachable and full of speaking guile and hypocrisy.

.God is Christ and Christ is God except you understand that you will keep moving in circles. IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND His principles in the old how can you KNOW His mind in the NEW.You are still on milk bro...grow up..the tithe is real.

ayam an inward jew not an outward one..if i still read the OT just like Jesus, peter and paul did before me wetin come be your problem?

that's a blatant lie and you know it. Jesus paid the penalty of sin by His death on the cross.faith in Christ and obedience worketh the fruits of the Spirit you cannot do one and leave the other..the friends of faith have to work in harmony for God to bring you to the level of a son.

Did you see me dispute this? You can tell those who resist the Spirit..not me.The pattern the apostles followed was as of old it never changed..God was in their midst and they knew it not..He came in the likeness of men due to his Love for humanity..that is the foolishness of the gospel that is so blind to you.

Ihedinobi: So what does it say exactly that we may not be understanding from the other versions he gave? That faith makes us the righteous men who satisfy the law's demands? Or what exactly?

Ihedinobi: @Boomark

I don't intend to answer you at all. Just thought to make it clear.

Image123: Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

ESV:Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law.

NIV:Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.

AMP:Do we then by [this] faith make the Law of no effect, overthrow it or make it a dead letter? Certainly not! On the contrary, we confirm and establish and uphold the Law.

Ihedinobi: ^^ Oh, ok! You're actually saying that the two commandmenta comprise far more than the initail ten, oookaaaaay! Na wetin you for talk since na!

Alright so, what are these thousand others? And how does not needing the ten now translate to needing the two which still comprises them along with this thousand others? I mean, even if the two = one thousand other commandments + the ten, not needing the ten would mean having something less than and other than the two commandments because all we'll now have are the thousand others?

Again, how does myriad more commandments help your case for no more commandments?

OLAADEGBU: To have a better understanding on what it means to become a Christian I will appreciate it if you can answer the following questions sincerely and conscienteously.

Have I always loved God my Creator with all my heart, mind, soul and strength? ____YES ___NO
Have I made a god in my own image? a god to suit myself? ____YES ___NO
Have I ever used God's name in vain? ____YES ___NO
Have I kept the Sabbath holy? ____YES ___NO
Have I always honoured my parents implicitly? ____YES ___NO
Have I murdered (God considers hatred as murder)? ____YES ___NO
Have I committed adultery (including premarital sex and lust)? ____YES ___NO
Have I stolen (the value is irrelevant)? ____YES ___NO
Have I lied (including fibs and these questions)? ____YES ___NO
Have I coveted (been greedy or materialistic)? ____YES ___NO

If you have even broken one Law, then you have sinned against God and therefore will "surely die," for the "wages of sin is death."

We are all guilty of breaking the Commandments. Listen to the voice of your conscience, and let it remind you of some of the sins of the past. We are not perfect as we are commanded to be (Matthew 5:48 ), neither is our heart pure. On Judgment Day our transgressions will be the evidence of our shame. Think of it: God has seen every sin we have ever committed. We share our thought-life with Him.

We are guilty of violating His Law a multitude of times, yet if we repent, God can forgive us because Jesus stepped into the courtroom 2,000 years ago and paid the fine for us.

His death on the cross satisfied the Law we so blatantly transgressed, and at the same time demonstrated how much God loves us:

"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."

His shed blood on the cross can make you clean in the sight of a holy God, as though you have never sinned.

God doesn't want you to go to Hell. Please, forget your arguments, repent and put your trust in Jesus and be saved from God's wrath. Make Psalm 51 your prayer, then read your Bible

daily and always obey what you read; God will never let you down. Peace.

Alwaystrue: PENALTY FOR SIN borne by Jesus on the cross is the answer to each question you asked. Unfortunately you have refused to underastand that. I cannot help you. Go study the bible.

Alwaystrue: I Corinthians 14:34
Women should be silent during the church meetings. It is not proper for them to speak. They should be submissive, just as the law says.

I Corinthians 14:34-36 - The Message Version
Wives must not disrupt worship, talking when they should be listening, asking questions that could more appropriately be asked of their husbands at home. God’s Book of the law guides our manners and customs here. Wives have no license to use the time of worship for unwarranted speaking. Do you—both women and men—imagine that you’re a sacred oracle determining what’s right and wrong? Do you think everything revolves around you?

Do you understand that many churches now have disturbances by women talking while ministration is ongoing, or asking their husbands things that they could as well have sorted out at home? Does this in anyway bear resemblance to women not being able to speak God's words? You see how people keep looking at the letter of the law (because this was a law Paul quoted). Understanding matters....

Now even using your own interpretation, Drummer boy:
. Your dear brother @Drummerboy turned that to mean 'theological discuss and preaching'. It seems he does not understand the difference between theoligical discuss, preaching and church meetings?
Is this a church meeting?
Is my husband here?
Is the submission to other men or to my husband? Did the bible say women, be submissive to all men or be submissive to your husband?
Did it occur to you that husband and wife were in such meetings and even in meetings today, especially where the husband is, women are still meant to allow their husbands do the speaking except if told and allowed to speak?

And the clincher, AS THE LAW SAYS.....So @Drummerboy is quoting the law as well, yet when Paul said even as it was in the law, the Lord has commanded those that preach the gospel should live of the gospel, he has been here saying all sorts? Is that not why He and others are fighting tooth and nail to discredit the law of God?

Alwaystrue: @Zikky,
No, you won't read Exodus because then you will realise the folly of those arguing for lawlessness. I have raised this continually and everyone has dodged so far because then the truth stares them in the face. Yes, you can start your bible reading from the book of Romans then since God was only speaking to the ISRAELITES. Intact do confirm if the whole bible was even addressed to you, afterall Zikky was not mentioned.
For the willing to learn, read Exodus 19-20 and Deuteronomy chapter 4-5 and see what God commanded for the first time face to face, and the only time (to the whole body of the israelites...i stand to be corrected) verbally to the Israelites.

@Bookmark, when you understand that the PENALTY FOR THE SINs you have listed which was death was borne by JESUS on the cross, then you will understand.


@Ayoku, define love and you will see Love does no wrong to others, so love fulfills the requirements of God's law - Romans 13:10. Read the rest of Romans 13 then you see love is debt. Everyone who truly loves will always do right n good deeds n will not find it hard to love ALL his neighbours. My stand is the word and nit what anyone hear feels.

Ihedinobi: Honestly, that you answered him is what saved him from some serious mockery just now. What amazes me and yet doesn't is how low we humans can stoop when we are faced with something that doesn't suit us.

Here DrummaBoy is attacking your being female, elsewhere shdemidemi is saying rather curious things about the Gospel - now he says there are two, then he says there's one and it's given to Paul and the others were probably preaching lies, I wonder Others have said that some parts of the Bible can be done away with. One has gone as far as to say that we are not to follow Jesus Christ as He lived, that Death and Resurrection changed Him.

I have read things on this forum that have the power to keep amazing me even while I understand them. The mystery of iniquity is no mean thing and it is very much at work in our days.

Missonas: he didnt say it is o

Missonas: correction!i knw Jesus and He's my everythg.d pictures dnt av 2luk dsame cos they were nt drawn 4rm one artist,watz important here is 4us all to accept and worship Him as lng as we live

i read ur post and sum odas i see u are always in d heat of arguemnts wif pple,lol.evn non catholics.d questn here is,what then is the gospel truth?we shud search for d truth,learn and dnt criticise!

Alwaystrue: Yeah so I can see that all this was about argument after all. If you pondered before you posted that verse you would have understood all I was saying, irrespective of translation:

So do we destroy the law by following the way of faith? Not at all! In fact, faith causes us to be what the law actually wants
What did the law actually want us to be which it could not because of flesh? RIGHTEOUS! But it could not because man was weak due to his flesh. Now faith in Jesus makes us righteous because He through us WILLS AND DOES God's pleasure which is our righteousness.


I will refrain from posting till Zikky or anyone else can confirm to be that the commandments God gave in Exodus 19-20, Deuteronomy 4-5 were the laws given by Moses or the laws of God.

Alwaystrue: Study the bolded carefully. We no longer SERVE in the old way of the LETTER of the law, but WE SERVE according to the NEW WAY OF THE SPIRIT for those who are led of the Spirit are not under the law. The law has no hold over you, you are free and dead to sin because you cannot disobey the law because of the Spirit that leads you and you follow.

Do you know what the (LAW) of (SIN and DEATH) mean? Do you not realise the law of sin IS death which Christ died, taking the penalty for the sin? Do you know God does not want anyone to perish so is LONG-SUFFERING towards us and gives us grace to help in time of need? Do you understand that means one may SIN but can repent and receive Grace not to sin anymore just because of Jesus, the perfect sacrifice, who has taken the DEATH for Him?

Do you keep the commandments not to commit adultery, covet, honour parents and love Him? How do you keep such? Is it not through allowing the Spirit lead you so much that you exhibit the FRUITS OF THE SPIRIT to which you will never even disobey God? Is that not what we have been saying? Is that not fulfilling the law in the Spirit through a pure heart and not of human will or the flesh (which the Israelites of old had).

Missonas: Well said!bt u see we dnt av an image of The Most High God in the catholic church.God is everythg and making an image of everythg is impossible!yea we have dat of Jesus,mary,joseph,saints etc bt those are mere representations jst like was stated in dat link i posted earlier.they have all the characteristics datz mentiond in psalm 115:4-7 true bt u need to undrstnd dat we worship in d spirit.take them off and we stil have them in our hearts and minds and mst importantly we stil have God.we pray and talk to God with or without the images.Jesus,mary,joseph and the saints were humans u knw dat ryt.they lived with people jst lyk u and i,thatz y u hear sum atheists and non christians call Jesus a mere mortal man.alas!they dnt undrstnd dat it transcends beyond wat we knw.i wud have gone indepth here bt u wont get me.GOD made evrythg simple bt we have made ourselvs complicatd (eccl 7:29) and itz dis same cmplicatn datz dis arguemnt is born out of.i jst hope and pray we do thgs d right way to mke heaven as we all search for the truth.SHALOM!

Ubenedictus: hehehe the last time i checked, the cherubs on top of the ark also had the characteristics listed above.

Alwaystrue: Go take a look at the thread just raised by Ihedinobi, and learn difference between a law/demand and a convenant/contract.
The convenant was the bind used to consolidated the demand and agreemnt of the people. Meaning Man should do his part to obey and God will do His to bless. In the New convenant, God will 'WILL' and 'DO' His good pleasure in Man meaning man will be helped by the Spirit to obey, and God will still do His part of blessing us. THAT IS THE CONVENANT!

As you can see, God said He will PUT HIS LAWS IN THEIR MINDS. You keep dodging laws yet you now talk about law. WHY ARE YOU AFRIAD OF THE LAW?! DO YOU PREFER LAWLESS?
How do the laws in your heart go contrary to produce teh things God was agaisnt in the law? Do you commit adultery because the law of God is now written in your heart, do you covet your neighbours goods because the law is now written in your heart? Do you despise your parents because the law is now written in your heart?
You are just beating around the bush.


And for those claiming the unbelievers are not under the law, go read your bibles and quit complaining.

Romans 2:14
4For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law to themselves:

Romans 3:19-20, 23
Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, that EVERY mouth may be closed, and ALL the world may become accountable to God; 20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

23 For ALL have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;


Since you have no law and thus have not sinned, why do you need & believe in Jesus Christ? Of what purpose then is the death of Christ for ALL mankind. You guys are trivialising the word of God and I pray He has mercy on you.
Continue to suit yourself and think Christian living is lawlessness. We are accountable to God.

Image123: suit yourself if it gives you more freedom.

Boomark: 7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. 8 But God found fault with the people and said:

“The days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
9 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they did not remain faithful to my covenant,
and I turned away from them,
declares the Lord.
10 This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
11 No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.
12 For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”

13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

I hope you now see that the old covenant with the laws guiding it is now obsolete. those keeping the law of moses have no say in christ new covenant. the law we now keep is the one in Christ which is in our hearts.

kenjudy: Many pentecostals keep rubbishing catholicism while quoting from what they call "my bible says" but they forget to ask themselves one particular important question: how did the same bible u claim to read and quote from come to be? I know if not for catholicism, u would still be worshipping ur fore-fathers in their dead shrines! God help us all...

Syncan: I really should give you back your own prescription,Heb 4:3-10 actually helps you understand that Paul wasn't proposing the doing away with the sabbath in col 2:16-17. The sabbath is a day of rest and in that Heb 4:7, it is limited to a certain day (not any day). In verse 8 it could have been understood by the SDAs that Jesus did not change the day from what it used to be. History has shown that the early church observed the sabbath and still gathered together in the homes to break bread on Sunday, Please see Acts 18:4. Research the matter a little and you'll understand what I'm saying and when Saturday was substituted for Sunday. Do not get me wrong,I can defend the use of Sunday with the authority given to the Church by Our Lord Jesus Himself, however I do not submit to this authority in one and challenge it in another. I submit in Her authority to remove circumcision as a prerequisite for becoming a covenant child (Acts 15 Jerusalem), I submit in Her authority in deciding which books to make public as a single unit(Bible) to aid the universal christian communities (393AD Hippo-following), I submit in Her authority to affirm that Father, Son and Holy Ghost are Divine (325AD Nicea,381AD Constantinople), I submit in Her authority to declare that Mary is mother of God (431AD Ephesus). I believe because the gates of hell shall not overcome her Matt 16:18, I believe because what She bounds is considered bound Matt 16:19. I submit my intellect to faith in Jesus Crucified as found in the good news which the church is the custodian, I submit my intellect to faith in all that the church teaches, for the church is the pillar and foundation of truth 1Tim 3:15, and I am safe in her care.

christemmbassey: pls explain futher with particular reference to how many animals u've sacrificed this year,# of ppl stoned etc etc and the place of Jesus in this ur jewish practices. God bless.

Kay 17: You people don't see the issue with the permanence of God's Word, considering his omniscience, wisdom and goodness (honesty). The new reflects the old, if God breaks his Word at will, he will definitely break it in the future.

The law of stoning and Sabbath were promulgated by God in his immeasurable wisdom, hence they are good laws and don't require REFOrM (what's not borken shouldn't be fixed).

truthislight: Can you show where he claims to be greater than Abraham?

If you cannot then you are a fraud and a liar and and you know liars will not ..........

truthislight: "For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law." (Hebrews 7:12).

OLAADEGBU: If you are then do what Abraham did and don't be a miscreant.

Kay 17: Yet the new Covenant is made btw God and the people of Israel and Judah, and this time form of the laws change, the laws are constant but form evolves.

Kay 17: Gt

First of all what do you mean by spirit??

Cos covenants are terms and conditions the parties must abide by, and this is law in effect. Also jesus commands his followers that the only true command is "love neighbour as you love yourself" this is a law. Failure to abide to it denys the disobedient person heaven.