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benalvino: so now you don't know all other Gods are false gods... na today I fear you... lmao
feed on this

Psalm 4:2 (New International Version)
"How long, O men, will you turn my glory into shame [a] ?
How long will you love delusions and seek false gods?"

Psalm 40:4 (New International Version)
" Blessed is the man
who makes the LORD his trust,
who does not look to the proud,
to those who turn aside to false gods"

Jeremiah 13:25 (New International Version)
" This is your lot,
the portion I have decreed for you,"
declares the LORD,
"because you have forgotten me
and trusted in false gods."

Jeremiah 16:19 (New International Version)
"O LORD, my strength and my fortress,
my refuge in time of distress,
to you the nations will come
from the ends of the earth and say,
"Our fathers possessed nothing but false gods,
worthless idols that did them no good."

Amos 2:4 (New International Version)
This is what the LORD says:
"For three sins of Judah,
even for four, I will not turn back {my wrath}.
Because they have rejected the law of the LORD
and have not kept his decrees,
because they have been led astray by false gods,
the gods [b] their ancestors followed,"

Psalm 4:2
How long, O men, will you turn my glory into shame ? How long will you love delusions and seek false gods ? Selah

Psalm 40:4
Blessed is the man who makes the LORD his trust, who does not look to the proud, to those who turn aside to false gods.

Let me learn from you.
Are you saying that the children of God whom YOU have declared as false gods should turn away from each other? That angels who are false gods should turn away from men who are false gods?

The false gods that our forefathers possessed, are they human beings and angels? I hope you will answer.

enilove: I have learnt a lot from your posts on this thread. It is this trinity belief that makes it hard for some muslims to convert.

It is a spiritual case. Jesus himself said that the Father is greater than him.

So many who say they have d Holy Spirit have no measure of Him at all.

May God help us all.

Even those who cannot control their lying spirits lay claim to the bolded.

SMH!!!

Bidam: .ofcos you inferred it stop this childishness.

and i still repeat because He came from the Father..funny the Father you are so bent in defending you don't know him if you are disputing Jesus is not the alpha and omega.

of cos am just showing you the futile folly of your arguments against Jesus and the Holy Spirit..you are not even a christian to start with if you don't acknowledge Jesus as equal with the father..

I can now see why people say you lie a lot plus including being dubious.

So since we also came from God we can also make Him our equal? That satan is the god of this world is because the world came from him?

Let me teach you.
The world is subject to satan that is why satan is its god. Satan has authority over worldly things.

Jesus is subject to God
God is greater than Jesus
Jesus is the servant of God
God is the head of Jesus
Jesus worshiped his God
these are why God is his God. Rev 3:12

twosquare: Make e no make sense to u,since u want ur own tin....is shell nt part of an egg? When saying egg...do u refer 2 just d yolk? Hw unwise is it 2 go 2 a market, saying I want 2 buy albumen.....or yolk or even shell. Yet u say egg, won't u remove d covering b4 u start 2 eat? Is d shell nt part of wat we refer 2 as Egg?it is a common name dat both d Shell, Albumen,and Yolk bears...3 in one.c'est finis.

Your problem is that you don't refer back to the scripture while analysing your Egg.

Shell is part of the Egg but can you call the shell an Egg?

Assuming if:
Egg cannot be tempted will you call the yoke which was tempted an Egg? This simple reasoning.

God cannot be tempted but Jesus was tempted.

benalvino: all you know is to take words out of context... he show them how to pray...

you are asking why did jesus call his father is God... if he came to show us the way what do you expect him to do?

I keep asking who is jesus?
a angel?
a man?
a god?

no one wants to answer...

you said the bible says the angels are like God and you bring verse... I quote the verse you brought that no where it says angels are like God...

whether you like it or not... Jesus change his nature because of us. he became weak as a man and depends on his father.

Do you know you have a problem? Let me tell you how.

I showed you where Jesus call himself a god because he is God's Son. I quoted Psalm 82 to back it up because it say that children of God are gods. You went on to start talking about False gods, instead of showing me scriptures were gods belong the false family or whatever so we can reason.

You said it as if the bible verses i quoted is wrong, as if what you believe in is not the word of God, and as if you are holding unto mens doctrine by faith. I did not write it. You did not believe the one that inspired it and you did not write any.

Go to the angel Michael thread by pastor kun and read.

ijawkid: I think WATER the solid should be the head of all the waters..........smh!!!!!!!..........

I think WATER the spirit(gas) should be the head of them all. I beg you to believe me because i drink water and know what am talking about.

shdemidemi: What is this na, must you argue?

That is the folly of men comparing their god to pure water, Egg, yam, chicken etc. They have rejected the scriptures just to teach their man-made philosophy.

Smh!!!

shdemidemi: This one is just flying every where, talking like carnal man. Christ was given a format the people should pray, you would still add that to your defence.

Our Father, the who is in heaven...that is the model Jesus also used. Prove me wrong please with the scriptures and not what they taught you in church.

I almost fell in love with you in the GRACE doctrine thread as you were dishing out lots of bible verses.

But for trinity, there is scarcity of bible verses to support your trinity

twosquare: And how many times do I have to give d analogy of even d egg we eat...little little things around us speak of someone greater... dis things are saying smtins u may nt see if u don't hav eyes...men can b so foolish.
Now we call egg an egg but yet in it are three distinct entities: D shell, d albumen and d yolk. Yet dis three things are called EGG.Together...they bear dis name....so also is He who created all things

You analogy no make sense.

Are you saying d shell is an Egg or shell of an Egg(eg Son of God)? How about Egg the shell(God the son)?

We have Spirit of God, Son of God and FATHER OF GOD shey?

Do you now see how very wrong you are? Smh!!!

shdemidemi: Even water can come in three forms solid, liquid and gas. There form does not change their parent name.

Yam nko?

Which one is the head of the other?

benalvino: and yet the bible says Jesus is the only Lord in heaven and earth isn't it?
just as the father is called mighty God and almighty God... can someone be mighty and almighty at same time?
Jesus is called mighty and almighty God too...
they share same substance that is God... different office.

1Cor 15:27-28 God is not a thing so this rendering is not nice... check KJV.

I wonder where i said God is a thing or where i used any bible version? Subject not object.

How can Jesus being the ONLY Lord still share his Lordship with another? You will get the answer if you can explain everything in 1Cor 15:27-28 very well. If not, you are holding unto the doctrine of men.

You failed to answer this before: where was Jesus called Almighty God?

Bidam: The problem i have with you is you always fail to see what i am saying as regards to the Op..let me still repeat myself in bold letters again ."Jesus is equal with God even though he is distinct in personality and function from God the father and God the Spirit..Scriptures are clear on this that Jesus was sent from the FATHER THROUGH THE SPIRIT.the red explains all your post..no one is disputing with you that Jesus did not come as a servant, son, friend and brother in the flesh..shikena!!!

You are here telling me what you feel is shikena. Explain Hebrew 2:11-13 and stop telling me shikena.

benalvino: nope... you need to understand bible before putting it our... Jesus always differentiate his relationship with the father concerning us... he says my father and your father... there is no time he says our father.
because our relationship to the father is by adoption...
and you didn't answer it.

Mt 6:9
Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name...
the same Father he prayed to, the same Father we pray to.

Whether biological or adopted sons who have one father, they will always call him "our father." You can't twist that English.

benalvino: yeah that's why I tell them to check biblical meaning of stuffs all the time.

Ok. Tell us the meaning of this stuff:
Why did Jesus call the Father his God?

If you dodge, cut corners or run from it, it will show ur ignorance.

Bidam: I hope you don't have cataracts let me repeat what i said in bold letters. "FATHER REFERS TO GOD'S BEING THE SOURCE FROM WHICH JESUS WAS SENT" and that is why Jesus called Him Father..and not the logic you guys are applying in relation to a human father or in the sense that someone is greater or older. God is not "older" than Jesus Christ. If you can't comprehend this truth i am sorry i can't help you.

I did not ask you who is Older, did i? Please stop dodging the question with things i never asked you. My question is still based on the bolded above.

->> WHY DID JESUS CALL THAT SOURCE HIS GOD?

NB: Please note that i am not interested in God the Son, cataracts, old age, human father or grandfather. Just answer my bold capital letter question which has an arrow ->> pointing at it.

If you can't answer it, then you don't know God.

Itsfacts: i quote you because you twist the bible.

the Glory Jesus had before the world begging is same now... only that then there was nothing to rule over.

How can he stop? the word became flesh. if you are boy and became a man, does it mean you weren't a boy at a point?

Did Jesus Humble him self even being obedient to death?

was he in the skin that is cursed?

when he was tempted why did he say you cannot tempt God?

is it possible for a man with flesh not to sin?

even a fraction of sin?

I did not quote any scripture along side my questions not to talk of twisting. What you should have said is that you have problem answering the questions.

Have you seen that you don't know what you believe or what to believe cos of trinity?

Even ruling over people has its glory(it is an insult to say he is a king without subjects), being the Highpriest, the tremblement of demons hearing his name also join, Isaiah 9:6(these things/titles are not former glories) etc

Isa 52:13
Behold, My Servant... He shall be exalted and extolled and be very high. Act 2:33-36, Eph 1:19-22.

So my questions have now made you to change your mind and believe that the word of God is God in flesh? The word says "God cannot be tempted" so Why was God(Jesus) tempted? He even conquered the tempter.

Read about the Israelites and Moses to know what it means to tempt God.

benalvino:

they ignored the other question...
is Jesus the Lord Over the father?
or is the father Lord over the son?
am confused make una answer ooooo

I have answered this before.

Jesus called the Father Lord of heaven and earth in his prayer to God. The Father glorified him and made him Lord of lords. Does this make him Lord over the Father? May that never happen(feeling like Paul).

We have a tool which trinitarians cannot use without contradicting themselves and that is 1Cor 15:27-28. His Lordship is exception of the Father and you will see that Jesus is subject to the One who made him Lord. Therefore the Father, his God is his Lord.

Bidam: play of words..it doesn't answer my question? lemme also ask another question since you guys are unable to answer all the questions i asked so far..here is another one.. Did Jesus commit any SIN?

NO

Am i the one that word played this one too.
Hebrews 2:11-13
King James Version (KJV)
11 For both he that sanctifieth and
they who are sanctified are all of
one: for which cause he is not
ashamed to call them brethren,
12 Saying, I will declare thy name
unto my brethren, in the midst of
the church will I sing praise unto
thee.
13 And again, I will put my trust in
him. And again, Behold I and the
children which God hath given me.

We share the same Father with our Lord Jesus. It is not an insult to him. Even me, atimes i feel that but the word God said he is not ashamed to call us brothers. So he approved it.

Your questions on why he is "Eternal father" was answered in v13.

Itsfacts: Go and look up all the meaning of worship online. You will see the types of worship then go back to your bible and answer these questions.

1 Who did Jesus say we(true worshipper) should worship in truth and in spirit?

2 Do you believe that the glory Jesus have now far greater than the glory he had with the Father before he was made flesh?

3 since the Word is God and the Word became flesh, did Jesus stop being the Word of God in Flesh.

4 if you switch to "Jesus is God," then can God be tempted?


The LORD also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah. 8In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them. 9And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

If i have powers, i will use my spirit to slap anybody instead of my hand. God is not a man.

You just quoted me. I don't want my head to continue swelling that my questions cannot be answered. Humble me by answering just one. Please!

Bidam: The question is do you agree that God the Son is Jesus Christ the Lamb??

I hope this is not a way to dodge my question. But i will answer your own.

The Holy spirit did not inspire "God the Son," it is man-made. The written word of God said, Jesus is the "Son of God" and he is the Lamb of God(not God the Lamb).

Biko, answer my own...
Why did Jesus call the Source(Father) his God?

Bidam: If you like argue from now till Jesus comes..That won't change scriptures. The truth is Jesus is equal with God, even though he is distinct in personality and function from God the Father and God the Spirit. The Scripture tells us that Jesus was sent from the Father through the Spirit. OR are you guys refuting His birth again? is it through a spermatozoa He came to this world?

Is the scripture you are abstract? Quote is and show us how sending someone(to do what) means Father.

Am quoting Jn 20:17
..."i am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and you God.

Since we share the same Father and God with Jesus, how are we being sent?

Bidam: The problem with these guys is their inability to discern spiritual truth. The word FATHER in relation to God doesn't mean father the way one is related to a human father, or in the sense of someone who is "greater" or "older" than Jesus Christ. Jesus is eternal, as God the father is eternal. Rather, the word Father refers to God's being the Source from which Jesus was sent.

Why did he call that source his God? You can't answer this question till tomorrow.

Itsfacts: Dude glory differ ok... Some of the glory we are talking about is being God over everything, receive worship etc which God said he will not share with anyone... But Jesus had that Glory with him before the world begin. Just as the other guy said, your hand is part of you aka bookmark your voice is part of you. God's word is God. Try to tell the apostles to change John 1:1.

He was in God form and drop all that because of us and take flesh.

Before you guys will post that can God die.

Go and look up all the meaning of worship online. You will see the types of worship then go back to your bible and answer these questions.

1 Who did Jesus say we(true worshipper) should worship in truth and in spirit?

2 Do you believe that the glory Jesus have now far greater than the glory he had with the Father before he was made flesh?

3 since the Word is God and the Word became flesh, did Jesus stop being the Word of God in Flesh.

4 if you switch to "Jesus is God," then can God be tempted?

Read zechariah 12:8 and you will see an angel who is in the form of God, ie like God.

If i have powers, i will use my spirit to slap anybody instead of my hand. God is not a man.

Itsfacts: Why are you disturbing your self? What is the point responding to him? It was nice to see the debate but I dont see anyone being convinced. Especially the Jehovah witnesses.

There is nothing to respond to in the 1st place. It was just to show him that he is wrong. Am here to teach and learn too. You are not here for the sake of Jws or me but for God.

When you see the glory of God's children which came from God and the glory of Jesus which came from God, you should not go on teaching that God share His glory to Jesus therefore they are equal.

Why did Jesus call the Father his God? Non of you can answer that. Another one you need to know is the "Godhead." What trinity made it become is not from heaven.

Running from questions and going somewhere else to teach what you don't know is the problem.

frosbel: John 17:22 I have given them the
glory that you gave me, that they
may be one as we are one
Romans 8:21 that the creation itself
will be liberated from its bondage
to decay and brought into the
freedom and glory of the children
of God.

Abeg o, Oga, has he replied to the above? I hope he said God has given His glory to us too or he was surprised to see it for the 1st time?
Smh!!! For these people.

They don't know their God that is their problem.

Mr anony: Lol, I think the problem lies with you. You'll now have to explain how there are two alpha and omega and how come one alpha and omega calls the other alpha and omega His God.

Do you see why you can't cut corners with me. Even if there are 10 alpha and omegas, tell us why one of them who should be a co-equal call another his God?

Why did Jesus call the Father his God? Non! I mean non of you can answer this question.

Another one i will use to shut you guys mouth is the meaning of "Godhead" as it in heaven. Trinitarians flee like tomorrow no dey whenever i show it them. I believe they will be wondering, "how could this be?"

Please give me answer to the bolded and tell us how trinity defined the Godhead.

benalvino: it only shows you understand me wrong... I never said God created his wisdom or word... all I said he created everything.

my analogy is no where near what you are reasoning right now... I think you should start reading my post on this thread from the very first to this one you are reading now.

[quote]ijawkid
New International Version (©2011)
Before the mountains were born or
you
brought forth the whole world,
from
everlasting to everlasting you are
God.
God did create or produce or bring
forth this wisdom in this context as
the first of his works........the
beginning of his works....
Infact here this again in verses
24-25
24 I was born before the oceans,
when there were no springs of
water.
25 I was born before the
mountains,

At least now you know that God created everything and through Jesus.

When ijawkid posted the above you ignored it as usual. Address the bolded first.

Itsfacts: This statement is by far the worst in this thread... Gods wisdom is eternal that is his quality part of him... We are created we dont exist in God like is wisdom or word or hand or mouth. We are a creation. Benalvino ask who is prudence that Jesus dwell with?

Am glad you know it is the worst. That is exactly what you people are teaching.

Which prudence? Quote the verse as it is.

benalvino: if God doesn't have wisdom how can he create anything? or how can God create wisdom without wisdom? I don't want to answer it cause it is ridiculous...

So since everything created came from God, it means that we have been in existence from eternity? You are teaching me ridiculous thing.

If i tell you to agree with my analogy which is similar to yours you will refuse. Smh!!!

benalvino: So running from reality... before revelation Jesus is called Almighty in other Scriptures. ur excuse no work

I gave you scripture or did you ignore them?

Now show me SCRIPTURES where i can see the bolded. Don't give me just your own word.

benalvino: lmao... good understanding sarcasm

ah! That was for Mr anony. But you and he can't disagree with me. Why not try and prove me wrong. Alpha and omega belongs to the angel that presented the message to john. Who will say no(except my men them)?

ijawkid: The bible says Jesus is the beginning of Gods creation,the image of God,the firstborn of all creation(boomark has even talked on that).........have you not seen it??.......

And please it is high time we consider proverbs 8:22-30.....it is high time......

He ignored it. That's what they do when the get explanation. They will come back to say the same wrong thing which has been corrected.

I remember telling him what having preeminence meant with regards to being the beginning, firstborn of all creature, firstborn from the dead, etc. He ignored it. Smh!!!