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Ubenedictus: i guess you don't know the meaning of the word "symbol".

In serving God, you don't use symbols out of your own volition. Allow God to lead.

Missonas: Lol.i love it here and catch me if u can!u dnt lyk catholcs yea i get it bt wor i dnt undrstnd is ur problem with candles.datz trivial if u ask me.i get that sum occult use it bt dat dnt mke it bad generally.when im in church i evn 4get dem candles r on d altar i av oda pressing mattrs lyk thanking God and telling Him my worries.

I don't hate people. What i hate is false doctrine. I got interest in the issue of candle when it seems you guys are hiding something.

When someone ask you a question about what you practice and you can't answer(except you don't know), then there is a problem. That makes me wonder. Do you also wonder?

He knows your passing needs but you must first go to Him in spirit and in TRUTH. The truth is what we are dealing with here.

If my net fail to catch you, i know what to do.

Missonas: Lmao!boomark,u didnt and wud neva blow off my light,im a child of God and imma be SHINNING(candles or not).and im tired of xplaining stufs to u lyk u said u fighting a war on catholics im prayn 4u and dnt worry lyk Saul in d bible u'l cum arnd.lollll.bt seriously u will!

Don't compare my war with that of Saul. Its David(me) and Goliath. I want you to come to my side before i stone this Goliath.

I don't need to pursue you if you think you can run. I will just mount my nets strategically. When you fall in, i will bundle you and zoom off to where you will not think of candle again.

obadiah777: that reprobate bookmark is a stiff necked chameleon. i see you are familiar with his antics

I use my antics to catch liars(except those who honestly don't know). Your friend Bidam must have been a witness.

I showed you the word but you told me what you think you know.

Bidam: what do you expect from a chameleon?

How can a notorious twister of the word call me that?

ayoku777: Thanks bro, you couldn't have said it better. Obeying 99% of the law and failing in just 1% makes eligible for the curse as much as the person who keeps none. So at the end of the day, there is no escaping the curse under the system of obeying laws and keeping commandments, only in Christ.

My brother, most of them will be wondering "Does it mean my Papa/Pastor has been wrong all this while?" follower of men.

Galatians 3:23-26
23 Now before faith came, we were
held captive under the law,
imprisoned until the coming faith
would be revealed. 24 So then, the
law was our guardian until Christ
came, in order that we might be
justified by faith. 25 But now that
faith has come, we are no longer
under a guardian, 26 for in Christ
Jesus you are all sons of God,
through faith.

If we are for Christ, there should be no contention about the issue of Grace because it is clearly written. But people who are following men of God who can be influenced are now contending with the word of truth.

I can see people who want to compete with Christ in fulfilling the law. Am enjoying the product of the fulfilled law-GRACE.

what exactly do they want to practice in the law? Is it
1 Honour your father and mother?
2 tithe(they are not sure whether to follow Abraham or the law)?
3 Animal sacrifice?
4 cruxifying people?

Well this is for you

Galatians 3:10
For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, " cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them."

Christ has put an end to the law.

spywareczar: i hve sum ebooks dat could help though

I will be happy to receive them. Thanks. I have sent you a pm.

obadiah777: YOU ERR GREATLY. READ THE VERSES ABOVE AND BELOW THAT VERSE. BAPTIZING IS PREACHING THE GOSPEL TO THOSE THAT ARE KINGDOM BOUND. LIKE HOW JOHN THE BAPTIST BAPTIZED CHRIST. ITS BASICALLY DRAWING OUT WHAT WAS ALREADY INSIDE. LIKE YOU WOULD BAPTIZE THE 12 TRIBES OF ISRAEL. HOWEVER YOU WOULD PREACH TO THE GENTILES. THE GENTILES DONT ALREADY HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE IN THEM. THEY WOULD BE HEARING IT FOR THE FIRST TIME. THATS PREACHING


bap·tize (bp-tz, bptz)
v. bap·tized, bap·tiz·ing, bap·tiz·es
v.tr.
b. To initiate.

in·i·ti·ate (-nsh-t)
tr.v. in·i·ti·at·ed, in·i·ti·at·ing, in·i·ti·ates
a. Instructed in esoteric knowledge.



es·o·ter·ic [es-uh-ter-ik] Show IPA
adjective
1.
understood by or meant for only the select few who have special knowledge or interest; recondite: poetry full of esoteric allusions.
2.
belonging to the select few.
3.
private; secret; confidential.

NOW YOU SEE WHAT BAPTIZE MEANS ? IT IS DIFFERENT FROM THE WORD 'PREACHING' AND IT DOES NOT INVOLVE DIPPING PEOPLE IN WATER LITERALLY BUT IN WATER ( ESOTERIC KNOWLEDGE, THE WORD )

You definition can not fit into the bible passages i quoted for you.

1 a : a Christian sacrament marked
by ritual use of water and
admitting the recipient to the
Christian community b : a non-
Christian rite using water for ritual
purification c Christian Science :
purification by or submergence in
Spirit 2 : an act, experience, or
ordeal by which one is purified,
sanctified, initiated, or named

obadiah777: BROS YOU ARE JUST GOING ROUND IN CIRCLES. NOWHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT SAY TO ABSTAIN FROM FOOD *SMDH*

How i defeat lies is to take whatever the lies are and pieces them with refutation. Do the same to my post and don't just digress with your summary like you did above.

It does not say you must abstain from food. But you cannot tell us that those(Esther, Ninevites, Jesus) that abstained from food while they fasted ate food. Mba nu!

Isaiah 58:6-7 just pointed out the errors in peoples fasting and the right things to do. It never mentioned prayer which is very important unless you are just starving yourself. So stop focusing on abstaining from wickedness. Wickedness should not be found in God's people even though they did not declare a fast.

More on your symbolic teaching of baptism

1Cor 1:17
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)

For Christ sent me not to baptize,(knowledge/doctrine of God)
but to preach the gospel(knowledge/doctrine of God): not with
wisdom of words, lest the cross of
Christ should be made of none
effect.

Hmm...very contradictory! Maybe baptism is the knowledge of the old testament while the gospel is the knowledge/doctrine of Christ.

SMH!!!

obadiah777: TIME TO SHUT DOWN YOU TWO SCOFFERS. LET ME BRING IN MY ACE SEEING AS YALL BUCKING UP AGAINST SOUND DOCTRINE. JOEL 1 VS 14 Sanctify ye a fast, call a solemn assembly, gather the elders and all the inhabitants of the land into the house of the LORD your God, and cry unto the LORD, <<< SANCTIFY YOU A FAST. WHAT IS SANCTIFY ?
sanc·ti·fy (sngkt-f)
tr.v. sanc·ti·fied, sanc·ti·fy·ing, sanc·ti·fies
1. To set apart for sacred use; consecrate.
2. To make holy; purify.
3. To give religious sanction to, as with an oath or vow: sanctify a marriage.
4. To give social or moral sanction to.
5. To make productive of holiness or spiritual blessing. <<<< AS YOU CAN SEE, AND AS I HAVE TOLD YOU TWO REPROBATE SCOFFERS, THE ONLY FAST THAT DRAWS YOU CLOSER TO GOD IS KEEPING YOURSELF FROM EVIL. FASTING FROM EVIL, ALSO CALLED HOLY OR SANCTITY. FOOD DEPRIVATION IS A DOCTRINE OF MAN WHO DIDNT INTERPRET THE SCRIPTURE WELL

let me show you why no one can save you from our hands except the truth.

You only succeeded in defining Sanctification what about fasting? Is Jesus a wicked as the rest of us to undergo fasting? Don't you see how incomplete and untrue what you are saying is?

Do you just stop wickedness as you fast in your room and be counting the ceiling? Don't you know other things that accompany fasting: prayer, studying the word and of course abstaining from food(very helpful). Esther did it, Ninevites did it, it happened in Jeremiah, etc.

Do you think Esau was happy detoxifying himself as he sold his birthright as the firstborn? Ge 25:30-34. E be like say your eyes never turn red before because of hunger? you need to try it and feel the pain of the less privileged.

So satan's offer of loaf of bread while he was HUNGRY is to make him to make sell his birthright as the firstborn of all creation. You know God will not be happy. But he is tested and trusted by our Father.

Do you see how am linking the scripture for you? And again, don't call me reprobate before i vex.

Sal C: Even by following what was written, am yet to see two churches that completely agree. Now to the issue of don't go beyond what is written, if we take it at face value, we can rightly conclude that Paul was asking the corinthians not to go beyond what was written in the two books written to them.

The Corinthians were having divisions among themselves, 1Cor 1:10-11. Paul then urged them not to go beyond what is written, 4v6. He wrote them letter of admonition and also taught them.

What are the things that are written?

1Tim 3:16-17
All scripture(ie all that is written) is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching,...
17 that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.

They were always urged to write down the revealed truth for teaching, etc. I believe whatever truth they receive will be written down and spread to the various churches for teaching.

Syncan: The Holy spirit in sacred scripture says that all I need is found in the church, that all I need is not wrtten. Bookmark says that all I need is written, pardon me if I do not follow Bookmark!

Please be careful in what you say,just to support your opinion, you may be offending God greatly. Imagine comparing suicide bombers who kill people, with Holy men and women who were massacered in cold blood because they held on and propagated their christian belief. If you are a christian, then you must know that the seed of christianity was sown in the blood of matyrs.

On trinity, the thing is that people get tired of repeating arguments that have been decided long ago by the church under the guidance of the Holy spirit. After One thousand seven hundred years, it is like going into arguments with someone who believes that snake spontaneously evolve from stones. The theory of spontaneous evolution and your theory about non trinitarian God have the same space in archives, they have both been proved wrong, you only need to research a little outside what you've been fed.

which church building are you talking about, where you can find all you need?

Am not sure of the spirit that was guiding those men to agree on trinity. What the Holy spirit inspired which was written is different from what those men choose to agree on. Stop putting your trust in men.

obadiah777: BLIND LEADING THE BLIND

No one can save you from our hands except the truth.

obadiah777: WATER MEANS DOCTRINE OR KNOWLEDGE. THE DOCTRINE OF GOD. THE WORD.

Don't just summarize it this way. Apply it to the quotes lets see if they met doctrine by through road side or whether their are certain part of their city where knowledge is in abundance.

That "Good work" is an irony, so don't be happy.

deSika: 100 likes bro. keep em coming.
may God bless you abundantly

God bless you too my brother. If the apostles wrote their letters with the philosophy/symbols he is using for almost everything, i wonder who will learn.

Now concerning baptism with water which you say is just knowledge, see this:

Jn 3:23
Now john also was baptizing in Aenon near salim, because there was much water there. And they came and were baptized.

Do you see the reason he was baptizing near salim? Does it mean Jesus, v22 and john have to go where there is knowledge before they baptize?

Acts 8:36
Now as they went down the road, they came to some water. And the eunuch said, "see, here is water. What hinders me from being baptized?"

I think this one should be, "see, here is knowledge."

Baptism is with water my brother. The other one is with the Holy spirit.

obadiah777: NOW I KNOW YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR DAYUM MIND. THE TEMPLE IS THE FIRST FRUITS, THE ELECT. THE VEIL GETTING REMOVED IS THEIR BLINDNESS ( HENCE WHY THEY ARE CALLED THE LOST SHEEP ). BASICALLY THAT VERSE IS DESCRIBING THE ELECT GETTING SEALED. THE ELECT CONVERTING FROM TERRESTRIAL TO CELESTIAL BODIES. BEING HARVESTED AS FIRST FRUITS UNTO GOD. LMAO @ YOUR INTERPRETATION. NOW I KNOW YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR DAYUMMM MIND BOOKMARK

Errm...let me add to the above. The army officer and those who saw what happened is satan and his demons, the became afraid, saying: "certainly this is the Son of God." Good work! SMH!!!

I conquer with the word not philosophy of men.

If fasting from food has no spiritual benefit, what then is the spiritual benefit of fasting from the word of God? To make people weak from serving God, so satan can easily capture them? I see the deception. Some yoli yoli pastors cannot forget the word even after 100 days assuming they fall from faith not to talk of Jesus who has been teaching and listening to teachers since the age of 12 to forget the word of God after 40 days. SMBH!!

deSika: guy u just did the job. i subscribe to the above 100 percent. more oil to your elbow

Glory to God Almighty.

We don't practice Lawlessness. I have shown him scriptures that connect to the temptation of Jesus.

One cannot just bring the symbolic meaning of stone anywhere and dump the stone in Jesus' temptation.

obadiah777: OK SINCE YOU THINK ALL SCRIPTURES IS LITERAL BOOKMARK I NEED YOU TO INTERPRET THESE VERSES FOR ME

MATTHEW 27 VS 51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. <<<< WHATS THAT TALKING ABOUT

obadiah777: OK SINCE YOU THINK ALL SCRIPTURES IS LITERAL BOOKMARK I NEED YOU TO INTERPRET THESE VERSES FOR ME

MATTHEW 27 VS 51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. <<<< WHATS THAT TALKING ABOUT

That is literal. Am not saying all scripture are literal. Lots of symbolic expressions can be found in revelation.

There is actually a curtain in the temple, Ex 26:31. The tearing of the temple curtain has a SIGNIFICANT which you can see in Hebrew 10:19-20. That this actually happened was confirmed in Mt 27:54 by the army officers and people around.

deSika: now lets put these scriptures you presented in the right perspective. would we

whose eyes are being blinded.
here you have your answer
and not the ones within that is the people that have chosen to be with God.

Now Jesus is a representation of the people that have accepted Gods invitation and are walking with him. Christ is the head of the called out ones.

so you see. Jesus does not fall into the class of people that are without and as such cannot be said to have been blinded, made to sleep or kept away from Gods word.


#ALSO take note that there was a wealth temptation in the third proposal the devil made to Jesus.

He can't deceive us. The temptation were in stages, starting from the least to the worst. From food, falling from a height, worldly Wealth to worshiping satan.

Satan tempted him with the twisted word(deut 8:2-3, Ps 91:11-12, etc) but Jesus conquered him with the word of truth.

You teaching on this is false and cannot stand.

Deuteronomy 8:2-3
King James Version (KJV)
2 And thou shalt remember all the
way which the LORD thy God led
thee these forty years in the
wilderness, to humble thee, and to
prove thee, to know what was in
thine heart, whether thou wouldest
keep his commandments, or no.
3 And he humbled thee, and
suffered thee to hunger, and fed
thee with manna, which thou
knewest not, neither did thy
fathers know; that he might make
thee know that man doth not live
by bread only, but by every word
that proceedeth out of the mouth
of the LORD doth man live.


Jesus quoted from this verse. The Israelites were hungry for food not the word of God. God made them hunger because they refuse to obey His commandments. Read Ex 16:28- 36.

What are these people hungry for, food or word of God? What did God give them? Food(manna) or His word? Just to show them that they should not live by bread(manna) alone but also by His commandment(utterances). Ex 16:28.

Start now to restructure your symbolic understanding of the scriptures because you are misleading people.

Fasting from the word of God means going away from God and his commandment. That means living a good moral life without God word. What made us saints is His word.

Syncan: The bible tells you it is not the pillar and foundation of truth, the bible tells you that some other word of God is not in it, the bible as a matter of fact tells you that all that Jesus alone did is not in it...not to talk of the apostles, yet you say that all you need is in it. Well, for me, I am not satisfied with part in things spiritual, I need the whole because its a serious issue to me. I guess that's where we differ. On trinity, a lot has been said in defence of it in this forum, If you' re still holding to your WTS teaching on it, so be it. What else can I say, I believe in what those who died spreading the goodnews and making disciples of all nations believed in, for by their fruits I knew they were led by God. They believes in the trinity and they were right.

The Holy spirit inspired all that you need about Christ and you are looking for details. What is written is all you need because it came from God.

If you are looking for those that died for their religion, then i will refer you to the suicide bombers in Islamic religion. Their teachers also confirmed that they died in error instead of truth.

Are you following the actions of those you think are right(ie men) or the truth in the word of God? What WTS/ i taught about Godhead is the truth in God's word and trinitarians are afraid to comment on it. That shows they have been holding unto the doctrine of men from the beginning.

All this is because they have gone beyond what is written.

obadiah777: REV 10 : 9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings. YOU DO ERR NOT KNOWING SCRIPTURES *SMDH*

Didn't you eat/chew chalk when you were in nursery school? Don't you know the difference between book/paper and bread(agege for that matter)?

Your symbolic interpretation cannot stand in Mt 4:3-4. Try using it to explain these things and you will understand better:

1 stone
2 loaf of bread
3 every utterance from the mouth of God.

The REASON why we fast is to draw near to God who is a spirit. Food, sex, wickedness etc are thing of the flesh.

Why would someone fast on the word of God? FOR WHAT? God wants us to meditate upon his word day and night. The word is what brings us closer to Him.

obadiah777: HE IS THE WORD OF GOD BUT HE CAME AS MAN. HE DIDNT BURST OUT TO THE SCENE SUPER-HUMAN. HE WAS TAUGHT SCRIPTURES BY JOHN THE BAPTIST AND THEN WHEN HE HAD FULLY GRABBED IT, SCRIPTURE SAYS THE SPIRIT DESCENDED ON HIM LIKE A DOVE. THATS WHEN HE HAD STUDIED TO PERFECTION

You do err for seeing symbols abi pinture in everything you read.

Luke 4:1-4
King James Version (KJV)
4 And Jesus being full of the Holy
Ghost returned from Jordan, and
was led by the Spirit into the
wilderness,
2 Being forty days tempted of the
devil. And in those days he did eat
nothing: and when they were
ended, he afterward hungered.
3 And the devil said unto him, If
thou be the Son of God, command
this stone that it be made bread.
4 And Jesus answered him, saying,
It is written, That man shall not live
by bread alone, but by every word
of God.

You can add "New World Translation" all the king James you have. It helps.

At least this one is settled that Jesus was hungry for food(bread).

I also disagree that john baptized with knowledge instead of real water.

Before you call something doctrine of demons, you check well so you don't tempt me to call you buzub....

Bidam: wrong, He blesses you so that you can be a blessing to others.

I can't believe this. May be i need to take a little wine to see clearly. You are right anyway.

AmbassadorofChrist is also right if you what it means to DISPLAY God's excellence and perfection. To Shine as the light of the world means a lot in that context.

Syncan: lawlessness and division was borne out of disobedience. Not all that is written is agreed upon today. Even Martin Luther, denounced james epistle since it contradicted his sola fidei cry. JW changed G to g where it refers to Jesus and formed a totally diferent meaning...yet they where all written. For almost 1500 years, these truths where taught in the church and practiced. A couple of:pauls letters and one or two from Peter,James,john and jude cannot be all the apostles and desciples wrote, taught or did, neither is it all that the church posses. The bible is a teaching aid for the church which is the pillar and foundation of truth. In the bible is not found the entire word of God, for even all that Jesus did is not found in it. The early church realised this and accorded obidience to the the teaching authority of the apostles, and appointed elders. But like Adam and eve, disobidience must come in later, that's why we are where we are ...not because certain things were not written.

Yes! Disobedience to "do not go beyond what is written."

the bible is enough to give you all that you need. Whether G or g we still get answers from what is written.

When i show people the meaning of Godhead from the scripture, they disappear with immediately effect. Because they borrowed their trinity doctrine from what is not written. I began to wonder which spirit gave them the conviction that Godhead meant 3 persons in one God.

Ubenedictus: many before me already taught ya d significance but i guess u ignored it. Yawns.

Continue yawning while you all are on the run. Missionas said something that made that made me blew off her candle light. Just to show her that the light of God's children cannot be lit with matches.

Tell her am missing her when you see her during missa(mass).

obadiah777: FASTING IS TAKING A BREAK FROM SOMETHING YOU ARE ACCUSTOMED TO DOING. FASTING IS NOT NECESSARILY FOOD. IN THE CASE OF CHRIST HE DID NOT STARVE HIMSELF OF FOOD FOR 40 DAYS AND 40 NIGHTS. HE STARVED HIMSELF OF SCRIPTURES. THE PURPOSE OF THE THREAD IS TO CORRECT FOLKS WHO AUTOMATICALLY ASSUME FASTING IS FOOD DEPRIVATION. FROM FOLLOWING MARK 2 VERSE 19 AND 20 YOU CAN TELL FASTING IS TAKING A BREAK FROM SOMETHING YOU DO ALL THE TIME

Ok we now know that one can fast from food. But more importantly what is written in Isaiah 58. That is the kind of fasting acceptable to God.

I disagree with you on Jesus' fasting on the scriptures. He is the word of God. Satan knows the scriptures. The word of God also knew the scripture. That is why he overcame the devils temptations with the word of God. He did not read from a scroll.

Things you said about stones to mean scrolls/scripture in Mat 4:1-4 is out of context. He was actually hungry for food.

Jonah 3:5-7
King James Version (KJV)
5 So the people of Nineveh
believed God, and proclaimed a
fast, and put on sackcloth, from the
greatest of them even to the least
of them.
6 For word came unto the king of
Nineveh, and he arose from his
throne, and he laid his robe from
him, and covered him with
sackcloth, and sat in ashes.
7 And he caused it to be proclaimed
and published through Nineveh by
the decree of the king and his
nobles, saying, Let neither man nor
beast, herd nor flock, taste any
thing: let them not feed, nor drink
water.

You started with a misleading topic and manage to switch back. What will you now say, that fasting has nothing to do with eating or abstaining from food(which you have been eating every two two minutes)? Which one?

Obadiah! How many times have i called you? More than x10

As that one that has no regard for the "Mosthigh" God, i shall pour him hot water(knowledge).