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Olu317:
My dear, if you don't follow what I had written earlier in sequence then you might find it hard to understand. However, Budhuism and Hinduism aren't older than the Bible. Specifically, did Buddhism had Biblical perspective of almighty God?, Did it recognised Pharaoh tenure on earth and the land of Egypt as the most civilized of ancient times? Did Buddhism recognised Amon/Thebes (city of hundred gates in her book ? ,Please let not be biased irrespective of religion differences. I haven't come across any researchers who had refer to Buddhist Book as a reference point to his or her work . Even Yoruba Ethnicity testify to the Bible. How? The belief of ONE SUPREME INDIVISIBLE GOD. I don't know where you came across your own but his I learnt from a professor when I was in the University days. And I have learned and done research on historians claim at par with the Holy Bible.

Brother, I beckon on you to travel to the Far East and obtain for yourself first hand knowledge. Christianity is very popular in the west and areas pre-occupied by European colonial masters. However, in the east, the mentioned religion are far more popular. In one of my recent travels to the Far East, you hardly find christians around except European tourists.

The Bible is not the only source of truth, you can start with the Koran and then proceed to other books like the kabalah. Only then would you begin to see similarities amongst these religion sects.

Oktoberfest:
Loving ur enemy simply mean praying for him to change his ways

Jesus said first remove the spike from your eyes before you remove the rod from your Neighbour's eyes. Love your neighbour as you love thyself removes the notion of enemy. It can also be interpreted as treat all men equally and that includes women too. Respect and tolerate people beliefs and don't feel superior.

Oktoberfest:
What is the difference please?council of nicea?that was well after the scriptures were written

There were about 52 Gospels and many of them were written over 200 - 300AD. There was the gospel of Thomas, which many believe to be older than the 4 gospels, gospel of Mary madaglene, acts of Peter, gospel of Judas, acts of Paul and thelan etc

Many of the New testaments were not written by the disciples rather they were written by witnesses. Consequently, there were many variations on the account of Jesus lives and teachings. Some claimed he is divine, others said he was a mere prophet.

These beliefs gave rise to many Christianity sects and likewise disputes. In order to resolve these issues, emperor Constantine called for a meeting of bishops and there is was agreed on what should be canonized and what should be discarded.

bennyann:
This topic is an interesting one and it's also a good observation or thinking. It's just a pity the one who brought about the topic does this to smite God. May God have mercy on his soul.

The problem is that we don't know how compassionate, merciful and loving this great God is. He is a fair judge, a God of justice. He desires no one to parish. And since He is a fair judge, He can never be partial. He will do everything possible to make sure He doesn't go against His word because He is a faithful God.

Even if we all deny or disown Him, He will still remain faithful to His Word. He is never a partial God when it comes to judgment.

I am of the believe God will make sure everyone knows about Jesus because that is the center of the gospel and the standard for judgment. How He will do that I don't know but I can give a point:

To those who haven't heard about Jesus, Jesus himself reaches out to them... That can be gotten from testimonies, it's up to you to believe it or not

If you still ask what about those who He did not reach out to and they still haven't heard of Him - well, that's God's business not yours. That's why I started with He is a God of justice, an impartial God. He can never disown His word. He knows how to handle such when it turns out like that. He is a God who will remain faithful to Himself forever.

When it comes to judgment, let your heart be calm in His impartiality for He is truly impartial.

God loves us so much that He can even direct and teleport any of His servants to preach to others in a place not expected at such a time. An example was Philip in the Bible.

For all those reading these: our concern should be have we heard the gospel or not? Have we heard about Jesus being our Savior or not? If we have we should be more concerned for ourselves and leave the part that does not concern us or that we can do nothing about to God. That's God's issue, that's God's case so please let Him handle it and concentrate on your own life.

For those who have heard the gospel and haven't turn their hearts to God, hear this: you are worse, much more worse than those who haven't heard. I mean they are far off better than you in all areas.

For those who have heard the gospel but ignore it, read this :“Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. But I tell you, it will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon on the day of judgment than for you. And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted to the heavens? No, you will go down to Hades. For if the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Sodom, it would have remained to this day. But I tell you that it will be more bearable for Sodom on the day of judgment than for you.”
Mt 11:21‭-‬24 NIV

The Op carries a very nice topic, that any believer who knows the answers to them will not be swayed at all. So I will encourage all believers to know about their God and also to have an idea of how limitless God's love is in width, breadth, height, length, size, in any form of measurement.

When believers come to understand God's unlimited love, they will be able to scale heights even when they can't measure the love of God.

I wish all the brethren in the house the love of God and the power of the revelation of such a love.

Your write up is nice, but my sincere question to you is what is the gospel?

Oktoberfest:
God revealed himself to the jews an established isreal,gave them the 10 commandments and the Messiah came through the Jews,it doesnt mean God does not love the others...which people adulterated the bible exactly? And where and when did this adulteration begin?

My brother ever wondered why the God of the Old Testament is different from the New Testament and yet we all claim God never changes! If you are sincere, you will notice the paradigm shift in the God concept.

On the adulteration aspect - ever heard of the council of Nicae before? I will allow you to google it up.

Oktoberfest:
Speaking to her and healing her son is what i mean by ministering...yea Jesus witnessed to the jews because they are the first in Gods kingdom and through them the rest of the world gets d gospel,not like other tribes can not be saved...the Bible says God loved the world that he gave His Son that whosoever believe in Him...not the jews alone

My brother this is not correct. The Jews are not first in God's kingdom. This was made up and believed by many. In God's kingdom, no tribe or country is loved more; no color or race is recognized. Segregation and racism are ways men decide to feel superior and it still plays out till today. Men feel superior than women and even Paul in the Bible rebuke women from speaking in churches. Peter was unhappy Jesus regarded Mary Madaglene better. Pope Gregory obliterated Mary's role by terming her a prostitute. These are ways men wanted to control women into submission

Oktoberfest:
Read the bible properly if u believe anything in it,the woman in that verse was not an isrealite but Jesus still ministered to her,and thats just 1 instance...

Healing is not salvation. However, the woman believed Jesus would save her daughter and her faith made it so. The Bible did not record Jesus ministering to her, but healing her daughter.

My brother the Bible did not do a good job to explain what Jesus meant by the kingdom of God and even if it was shared, it probably might have been adulterated just like a lot of pastors are adulterating the Bible now. If Jesus had explained the kingdom of God literally, the Jews would be angry. They were expecting a king that will kill off the Romans and alleviate their physical sufferings.

Even at this point, we still identify the kingdom of God as a location whereas Jesus said the Kingdom of God is around you

There is nothing wrong with tithing or I prefer to say GIVING. Jesus was not against it, but I think it is wrong to make it mandatory just like pastors are doing now, making members feel they are committing a crime if they do not give. That is what Matt 23:23 is about. Focus on all important things and not just one thing - TITHE. Do not neglect one for the other.

Jesus also said give to those you know you cannot get anything from - apparently the poor. Give without expecting, but our pastors have twisted it to give so you can be blessed heavenly. Give so you can be saved heavenly and even give so you can have enough heavenly credit to make it to heaven.

Oktoberfest:
Call God a tribalist if u want,salvation of God through Jesus came to the Jews 1st,then the rest of the world...not the jews alone

Jesus did not come for all the Jews. He came for the lost souls of Israel (Matt 15:24)

God is not a tribalist. God does not love one more than the other. It is the Jews and now Christians that have redesigned God to appear like some people are loved more than others.

Christians have made salvation appear accidental by raising your hands and deciding one day to accept Jesus into your heart. No, true salvation is by a higher degree of consciousness worked tirelessly by the individual. An undying quest for undiluted truth for the God of no religion. Salvation is experienced not talked about.

Oludrex:
According to Bible, Christianity started after the death of Christ in Antioch. this got me asking what's Jesus religion when he flogged traders in the synagogue or when he followed his parent to worship in the book of Matthew.

There are rumors that Jesus was an essene and his parents were in the esoteric sect. He did not practice Judaism and this can be seen with the frequent conflict with the Pharisee and Sadducees. In entirety, Jesus does not believe in religious order, these are used to control people and as history told us, Christianity was hijack and remodeled to fulfill the desires of privileged men

What Christians should realize is that Jesus did not come for everybody and his message was not for everybody. However, during his time on earth, he was a great teacher and his teachings influenced the world. He taught peace, forgiveness, selfless love and righteousness. These teachings can also be found in Hinduism and Buddhism.

Jesus was clear, he didn't come to save everyone. Possibly he came to raise the consciousness of the world, to remember us the earth is not our home, but he came specifically for his Jewish disciples which he taught secretly about the kingdom of God and share the esoteric teachings of the kingdom of God.

His death has little significance to his teachings and messages. Apparently, a major part of his teachings are not in the Bible and the Bible was transfixed on his life on earth rather than what he said. It has even been rumored that he didn't die on the cross and I may believe that because he told his disciples to touch his body and you cannot touch a ghost. It is also rumored that he went to Kashmir in India and there he lived and died. Regardless of our belief in Jesus, his life on earth influenced the world and he still remains the most famous man on earth after 2000 years of existence.

Ubenedictus:
Mrpresident i told you to excercise caution in ur preditions.

He was warned politely, but he was arrogant and felt he possessed adequate knowledge. Just like Jesus said, how can the blind lead the blind. He was even quoting the Bible when history has shown that the Bible was organized by men with ulterior motives

Olu317:
I only try to stuck to what we are juxtaposing knowledge on. However, as it stand in the past,present or the unforeseen future, the Bible remain the oldest book written on earth. And from it the greatest historians /researchers had used it and explore the world to the extreme. Having opined this, Africans in Africa are different people as Asia,Europeans are even if the world try to lump people together. Religion is complicated for those who sees and not understand the person of life. In Africa, even the Jews/Israelites still resides despite thousands of years inter marriage with Hamitic nationalities. Two things stand Israelites out and they are their homogeneous attitude and superiority believes of being divine human ethnic Race under one Supreme God. If you have understudy some African ethnicity, you will see these traits.

I honestly do not understand most of your sentences. However, the Bible is not the oldest book in the world. Buddhism and Hinduism are the oldest religion in the world and much older than Christianity and they both have manuscripts older than the Bible.

If Christians seek to gain more understanding about their religion, they must read wide, be tolerant to other books of truth. The Bible did not do sufficient justice in explaining the kingdom of God, but other books of truth were able to do that. When you have this knowledge and then read the Bible, you will understand the parables of Jesus and the confusion would be clear.

You can start with the Gospel of Thomas which was removed from the Bible. It still retains much of the four popular gospel texts but in it Jesus said something when his disciples asked when will the kingdom of God come and he replied, it will not come by waiting or by pointing it is here or there, but the kingdom of God is already within

Nice topic OP. Keep it coming. From what you wrote, you seem to know about astral travel or must have experienced it.

Keep promoting this

Olu317:
which version of the Bible do you read? However, the gentiles included Romans and all outside state of Israel. Gentiles means unchosen ones/rejected people/unbelievers/pagan worshippers. All these mentioned covered all part of the world except CHILDREN OF ISRAEL .

You just expanded what I said - Gentiles are people who are not Jews. The Jewish people have always felt they are the chosen ones. Gentiles specifically was used for Roman people living in Palestine.

On the other hand, you can call Africans Gentiles too and borrowing your words - rejected people, you can see how segregation perfectly play itself in the Bible. Then how ironically, Africans are practicing a religion not meant for them and quoting the Bible to justify their worship.

Olu317:
Though you are right about @ MrPresident1 's fake claim of Jesus coming on the 20th January 2017 which was practically impossible until the time of beast chaotic situation of the entire world and the whole world (all spoken language) to hear the message of Jesus and he being the Saviour of all mankind if he is accepted as personal lord and saviour. Jesus didn't heavily reveal himself to the disciples because he knew the heart of men with their unbelief and he gradually manifest himself to them. And the part you quote was been explained to them with figurative speech about those who were with him at that time but was referring to the generation of same people in the future who will be alive when return to earth. As it is known in the Bible that when he comes people will still be earth's residents. However, you erred on rapture because Jesus said himself in the Book of John 14 vs2 and 3( vs2: In my father's house are many mansions :If it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. vs3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there you may be also.

Jesus reveal himself to his disciples Mark 4:10-12
When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables so that,

"'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving,
and ever hearing but never understanding;
otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'"

Jesus came for Israel and disciples alone - Math 15:24
He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

Matt 10:5 - Jesus sent out the twelve apostles with these instructions: "Don't go to the Gentiles or the Samaritans

The second coming of Jesus was for his disciples. He was not talking about any future generation. In case you don't know who the gentiles are - these are people who are not Jewish and a derogatory term for roman people

When many christians rely heavily on the Bible, it makes you wonder curiously. The Bible was written at a time and condition when man was not so enlightened. At a time when people thought the earth was flat and the time zones of the world were the same. At the time when people thought Heaven was above the cloud.

So when the confused President01 was making his claims and supporting it with bible verses, a similar trend carried out by confused people, I knew his prediction would not come to past. There is no rapture even the Bible says so - Mathew 16:28 I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.

Many christians are not privileged to know that some bible verses were changed to fit in the script and some gospel books were discarded because these books do not support their objectives.

People wake up, religion was created by man for control purpose. It is now outdated and no longer useful in this modern world. In fact, religion has created more disunity amongst men and it is responsible for a million death in this world

KingEbukasBlog:
Wetin ?

You take stuff too seriously . This is just social media .

Na wa oo

Don't deflate the attention, you are part of the charlatans here. Gradually you will all be exposed. I wonder why people take you guys serious

taiwo850629:
Seun, God told me. Seun, this is not the first time I've heard the voice of God. I'm used to his voice.

They have started again

wolesmile:
Still expecting MrPresident1 the prophet, and KingEbukasBlog his loyal disciple to come and tell us what went wrong with his prophecy.

Or did Americans prayed against it like they did on TB Joshua's prophecy too?

Ignore them. I admired he stayed on till 5:30pm. These are the people confusing others and collecting the tithes and offerings. There is nothing like rapture

petra1:
I comment President1 for one thing , his courage to believe to the end . It's a strong virtue .even though I knew he got the calculation wrong as I said earlier . Whatever material he studied online deceived him .

Please there is no calculation. There is no rapture. We don't want another charlatan coming to disturb us.

MrPresident1:
1 Thessalonians 4:2-4
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

It will catch the world unawares, but it will not catch the brethren unawares because they will see it coming, fully anticipating it.
Paul is telling us that the day will come like a thief, but only as a thief, to the world. But in verse 4, Paul is again telling us, brethren, we are not in darkness that that day should overtake you as a thief.

Unawares is for the un-watchful, everyone has seen this thread for a reason. The watchman has seen the sign, and has blared long and hard on the horn

My friend stop this nonsense immediately. You have failed yourself and should be ashamed of yourself.

MrPresident1:
Wolesmile my brother, watch the heavens closely

Why are you smiling now. Are you back from rehab?

MrPresident1:


Watch the heavens closely, he will be coming in the clouds of heaven

Heaven is not in the clouds. After the clouds, there is ozone layer and then space. Remember, man have gone to the moon and back.

These charlatans refuse to agree amongst themselves

Martinez19:
I hope everyone on this topic will witness what religion does to the mind. Mr presido has been a scape goat of his delusion.

What's funny with his thread is how his date keeps moving from on or before 20th January, 2017 to 20th January on the spot. If Jesus was going to come, I don't think it would be on 20th January on the spot because it contradicts the thief in the night story and nobody knowing the dates of his coming in the Bible.

The guy is just a charlatan like others before him who are responsible for twisting bible scriptures to fit into their scheme.

Bhol28:
Why are u just bothering yourself,its not easy for them to accept fate that the greed in them have pushed them to debt.A lot of these greedy mavrodians have been having sleepless nights.Foolishness of the highest order,no one to hold responsible,all they can see now is the MMM website,no office address,phone contact. One of them have been calling my colleagues phone no they gave him to collect his money from meanwhile my colleague have diverted her money into another new scheme i learnt is paying more bonus.

I think it is wrong to characterize someone as being greedy. We need to be polite with our tongue. In my own opinion, MMM has poor control processes. The scheme is no different from the operations of a Bank - taking money from those with surplus and give to those who need the money. A Bank with poor control processes will fail. A Bank who has lost the confidence of its customers will fail and a Bank that gets negative publicity from the media will fail.

What I have observed is that some people whether sponsored or otherwise, are hell bent on ensuring that MMM fails. Their aim is to publicize negative news to scare of potential members.

masterP042:
Stop spreading false info everywhere pls.
Many of you are too quick to conclude even the things you cannot explain.
The system is not telling anybody to "PH BEFORE GH" if it does that, it means there is no money in the system or the little money cannot settle everyone, but that is not the exact case here because a lot of PH requests have not even matched to pay those on the GH list, there are people waiting to pay, but the system is yet to match them. Back to the issue... For those of you getting the message that you need to "provide help" first, pls don't panic, it's as a result of what happened yesterday when all GH orders were hidden from ur POs. So in the system, it's still showing that you have pending GH order, so there is nothing more to withdraw except you want to PH again. Now this shows that those GH orders are still active and they are being worked on. So relax n stop spreading panic n fear. In a short while that your GH order that disappeared will resurfaced probably after being matched. So what should you do? Wait for ur previous GH order patiently. Also feel free to PH, but that's just optional.

Being worked on. Who is working on them? The delay only confirms the suggestions of those who want MMM to fail. If a month was not sufficient to address the problem, then it only means the problem is bigger than imagined

9jakohai:
The only way pyramid schemes work is by bringing in more members into the pyramid.

MMM Nigeria has run out of new members .......so it is relying on the old members to stay afloat. But that can only last for a short time...before failure happens.

And look....I have seen pyramid schemes collapse around the world for twenty years...and far too many people crying and weeping. Here in Nigeria we have had things like Umana Umana/Wonder Bank...pyramid schemes that when they fell....people suffered.

So pardon me for not liking your MMM. It is another scam pyramid scheme.

What pyramid schemes have you seen collapse? I'm interested in the names you intend to mention

SirShifty:
Jesus should be considered to be a fictional character, the real one in History was a normal man who led an end of the world cult. The stories attached to him are untrue and absurd, they are so outrageous that we might as well see him as fictional. His character was created to control people, which sane man would tell people to turn the other cheek and leave their families behind, this is cult like thinking

Whilst you appear to make some logical sense, you cannot fully attribute to these claims because we were not there, but I believe some fictitious stories and myths were added to gain control of other people

MrPresident1:
You are a mentally complacent and lazy person. After all that has been said and written on this thread you are still stuck with Trump, then you cannot be helped.

Henceforth I will no longer answer you except you have a genuine question

I will remember you of this on 21st January. I initially promised to not laugh at you, but I realized how arrogant you are in your stupidity, yet claiming to be prepared for a rapture. You remind me of a mad man in Ajah who thinks everyone is mad and him enlightened

chessguru:
Don't stress over what you can't control.Things always get worse before they get better. But when they do get better, you get the best.Great things take time. Don't give up.Progress, no matter how small, is always something to be proud of........ MMM is coming back gradually and we must believe in the system , MMM is you and i , because we are the PH & GH , we pay each other , we are the community , we are MMM, United we stand strong but divided we fall , believe me if we all cooperate , MMM shall be greater than ever , the media wants us to panic but once we realize this and do the needful ..... SHOW we are ready to stay with MMM and provide help and get help like before . MMM NIGERIA shall be stronger than ever . -Akinov (Share this on your walls) MMM is real and here to stay say no to panic #ISTANDWITHMMMNIGERIA

You sound like someone who is Ghana commenting on issues in Nigeria. MMM promised to be back by 13th January. They kept to their promise, however, they were never truly back. The confidence level in the scheme is low. Media houses and sponsored investment houses conspired to make Nigerians wary of the scheme. I don't see MMM surviving