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Ortis: Football-NO dem no sabi'.....racing-NO.....ATHLETICS-dem no sabi.....BOOMBING--YES. Na der profession(BH)......y ar der just southerners,easterners on dat list.,...LAZY NORTHERNERS

Sport is d only thing dat unites this country.Pls drop the tribalism tag.

This is d problem of Nigeria.
Is Nigeria operating å geographical shifting government.
Nigeria will only move forward when she select her leaders based on capability $ merit and not on geographical disposition.

Lol!

Rubyrose: Sheeeey! I sent mine to 10 people but I lose nothing sha since it was free.

was it really free?å friend who sent to 30 people said her credit was deducted.

y2kaustin: Gej,should have hand in this,very sure and i have prove.

pls prove it.

afam4eva: Thanks for alerting us. I got the text a few hours ago and I suspected it was fraud when I was told that the text message was free. MTN Is not a free network.

å lot of my friends have fallen prey ooo.them don send no be small.I wonder what d first sender was thinking shaaa.

There is this scam alert being sent to MTN numbers now,infact I have up to 10 already,it reads thus:

Hon.Dr Leonard Nwagu,
MTN national protocol is celebrating his birthday today .Send this message to 15 people and get N750 recharge card.sms is free.

Once again it is scam,don't waste ur credit cos u won't get anything.

First to comment*hurray*
Not totally å bad day though!

[quote author=Efemena_xy]Trying very hard not to laff!

ID babes vs 007, make una 2 go church naw [/quote]lol!



Efe...make u no hold your laugh oo...cos is good 4 ur health.

tintingz: MoG using money to win souls to their business centre church did Jesus(their role model) did this?

Now u are å fool.
The lady has two options:either to accept Oyedepo's offer of converting to christianity or remain å muslim without his help.Can two walk together except they agree?
Are u d one to tell him who to help with his riches?


Now back to ur silly reasoning:Is it not better to use money to convert one's blood to one's religion than to use bombs/IED's/sharia to do the same?

Religion of pisss $ shitsss.

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Idowuogbo: D repeated bars are boring! Lacks creativity and all oda spices, not worthy of a reply. Na dia dem go hang. Red arse, yellow nose, brown anus... etc dumbbb jokes!

Yellow nose? Only you get black arse,yellow nose and red hot arse....are u from planet pluto?

booqee: Yeah its true i'm getting married august25! I tot to myself dat there are some nice peeps i'd like to share my joy with on NL. So.......
.....won't you wish me well?! ;-)

If u want an invitation, that is if you'll like to attend reply me via my email for more details: buoqui4real@yahoo.com.
And u must come with gifts oh.....!

Thank God for u...Finally u and dat aboki dat pushes ofio $ sugarcane in his rusty wheelbarrow are getting married.
Dat guy must be lucky...he doesn't need å pillow in ur matrimonal bed cos ur boobsqeegenic boooobs will take care of dat.best WINCHEs for u guys.

jackpot: Jackpot and 9ice. . .two different celebs hehehe

okay Efe, i'll be nice>>> Efe sweery, I loooooooove you.
I dreamt you were chasing me with a cupid's bow and arrow, but as you wanted to shoot, the arrow turned to bullet. Now where is Joseph (the dream interpreter) when you needs him most?!

hmmm...yes I know d meaning of d dream...the cupid bow $ arrow represent Efe's heart.the arrow represent her love.
She was chasing u means she has very deep feelings for u.When she shot d arrow $ it turned to bullet means "she intends to tell u indirectly about her emotion but she will not be able to withhold it and as such end up over loving u.She will shower u with love and affection to no limits***
Now that I have interpreted this dream of urs,pls relinquish your position as joke section poster of d year and give it to me.remember Pharaoh did å similar thing.

How negative news travel fast!T.B Joshua has become an object of ridicule on d internet especially here on NL.
Like he said'touch not mine anoited and do my prophet no harm'

@poster:below is an excerpt from ur post:

**Celebrated regularly, it would retain much significance among the Yoruba long after the fall of Oyo.Under his successor, Abipa, the Yoruba repopulated Oyo-Ile and rebuilt the original capital. Despite a failed attempt to conquer the Benin Empire sometime between 1578 and 1608, Oyo continued to expand. The Yoruba allowed autonomy to the southeast of metropolitan Oyo, where the non-Yoruba areas could act as a buffer between Oyo and Imperial Benin. By the end of the 16th century, the Ewe and Aja states of modern Benin were paying tribute to Oyo.***

Which Benin are u talking about here?Is it d one of Edo state or Benin Republic?
From what I know,The Benin Empire never paid å kobo to any group in pre-colonial history.

Dede1: You are definitely the most confused numbskull on earth. In one thread, you berated Ndigbo by calling them the “most confused set of people in d niger area” based on what you termed as wanting to “claim everything on their path”,

bright007:
@poster $ others:I would like to know d origin of kings (igwe,obi and d red-capped chiefs)in igboland.
From where did they descend from?
At what time did we started having kings in igboland?
Am asking this in å good way.

in another thread you seemed to make your silly self inclusive of the most confused people in Nigeria.

sorry if dat hurts.
But on å more serious note answer my question below

bright007: @poster $ others:I would like to know d origin of kings (igwe,obi and d red-capped chiefs)in igboland.
From where did they descend from?
At what time did we started having kings in igboland?
Am asking this in å good way.

PhysicsQED: I never objected to any claims about who was taught to read and write Portuguese.

But understand that if one were to claim that an actual school - not a religious institution like a church - was established there but was not maintained or was abandoned, some people would need to see proof to support such a claim.

Correct.As we know,finding indisputable proofs to support claims remains å major draw-back as far as history is concerned but doesn't mean these claims are false if PHYSICAL proofs are lacking.
Now I believe both parties are satisfied.Time to take a breather out of this debate.

PhysicsQED: https://img641.imageshack.us/img641/5147/captureanalysisofabenin.jpg

Saw this in a document called the "Ancient Benin Learning Pack" produced by the Horniman Museum.

They labeled this image thus:

"Ohen N’ugbor n’ome eto ene:
the elusive priest of ugbor village"

I just went back to see d pics.

The word "n'ome" as used here is used to denote the pronoun "who"
If u brake this word into its parts,it should be "nor+me".
When translated to english means "who plaits".

PhysicsQED: Dude, I know what 'o' is and 'eto' and every other word there except for the word for plait which you just told me. But when looking at "n'ome", if if you translate that literally alone it reads like ome might be a single word in itself. Shouldn't it read "ometo" instead of "ome eto" from what you just said? Why "ome eto" instead of "ometo" in that instance?

Well ometo is used to describe somebody who plaits hair(å profession).
"Ome eto"is still d same as "ometo" but broken into its component parts.But when pronounced,they are pronounced in d same way.the difference lies in writing and pronouncing.

PhysicsQED: Dude, I know what 'o' is and 'eto' and every other word there except for the word for plait which you just told me. But when looking at "n'ome", if if you translate that literally alone it reads like ome might be a single word in itself. Shouldn't it read "ometo" instead of "ome eto" from what you just said? Why "ome eto" instead of "ometo" in that instance?

Well ometo is used to describe somebody who plaits hair(å profession).
"Ome eto"is still d same as "ometo" but broken into its component parts.But when pronounced,they are pronounced in d same way.

PhysicsQED: Why is it so important to you to believe that a whole school was built, and not only that, built right in the palace even with no evidence? Why are you clinging onto that belief?

well my emphasis is not centred on whether å school was bulit or not but that some benin sons ŵėřē taught to read $ write.Now if they ŵėřē taught to read and write,on what platform?
Building å school doesn't have to be all about d physical structure.
Even if it was under å tree near d palace or something
Of dat sort,the most important thing is that there was å medium of passing knowledge to d learners.

PhysicsQED: Doesn't eto just mean "hair"?

What's the exact word for a single plait/braid in Edo?

Is "ome" the word for plait? If not, can you tell me what it means. Thanks.

You are wrong!
The word for plait is "moi" ."Me"is d right word and it is å combined pronunciation because it is actually "moi + eto" (eto means hair).So wen in usage,d "e" pronounced as in "hey" usually is pronounced while d "oi" sound in "moi" becomes silent.
If u say 'ome',it means 'she/he plait'
The 'o' pronounced as in "or" is used as å pronoun in edo language.

jackpot: holy moses. Cousin, your comment just won a gold medal at the Olympics.

Where is bin to report this in his news?

So, Idowuobo gat smoking hot red arse and the anus has a very dark part?

I'm gerrin jealous oo. Why did Lawd choose to bless only one person(Idowu) with all these rare features?

idowu=albino multi-colored anus-ed lady

Lawd Have Mercy!!!

hmmmm...adjusts my bra...I âm flattered.....gold medal for me...
Speaking on those features she gat....I think it was due to mutation.
You know she drinks too much zobo complemented with roasted(burnt) cassava...zobo 4 red arse while burnt cassava for black part...get it?

PhysicsQED: My interest in and my annoyance with your comments has nothing to do with who was or was not the first to become Christian in Nigeria or who was the first to learn Portuguese. My problem is the false claims and assumptions in your earlier posts. Just don't present unsupported conjectures as if they were necessarily factual or supported by Benin tradition or by written documents and we'll have no problems.

According to u,they are assumptions $ conjectures.Well,I must respect ur opinion because they are irrelevant as far as history is concerned.
One thing remains,d truth must be told.

Rgp92: if you dont know something then stfu, what is with you and Yoruba in general?

Anyway, Olurun made the chain and give it to Obatala to make the world. Here is how the stories goes:

"His mighty brother OBATALA, one of the elite of the ORISHAS, was given the task of building the Earth. To get him started,
OLORUN, the God of the Sky, gave him a handful of mud, a chain, a five-toed chicken, and detailed instructions.

But like so many builders throughout history, OBATALA failed to turn up. Instead he had gone to a party.

Seeing his chance for fame and glory, cheeky little brother ODUDUWA pinched the holy building materials and attempted to jerry-build the Earth himself. It was only D.I.Y. on a slightly larger scale, he thought.

Advised by a friendly chameleon, he lowered the chain over the edge of heaven, climbed down, and tossed the lump of mud into the primeval sea. The five-toed chicken hopped onto the mud and began scratching it in all directions.

Oh!beautiful story.
Pls on what foothold did he hang d chain?
Also where is d chain now?

PhysicsQED: The actual indigenous historian of Benin is Jacob Egharevba.

If Professor Nzemeke did actually claim that a school was built in the palace and you're not the one just making that up, let him actually prove it. Otherwise, just shut up.

Here is link to å thread on d front page on d history of religion in nigeira.Though this ŵăš not why d thread was created but å forumite posted it to clear certain issues dat arose.

https://www.nairaland.com/1002371/plan-demolish-mosque-onitsha-muslims/8


Now here is an excerpt from dat post.I hope it cures your ignorance.

***Christianity
As is well known, the first attempt to bring Christianity to Nigeria dates back to 16th and 17th Centuries. As at that period Portugal had established trade relations with the Kingdoms of Benin and Warri. At the request of the Oba of Benin, Portuguese Catholic missionaries came to evangelize in the Kingdom. According to historians, the first batch of the missionaries arrived Benin in August 1515 but the Oba was away, fighting the Idah War ((Ajayi 1965:2). A year later, the Oba returned and allowed one of his sons and others of his chiefs to be baptized and taught to read. However, the Oba was more preoccupied with wars than learning about Christianity. The efforts of the Spanish missionaries who had come after the failure of the Portuguese also were ineffective. The strategy of the missionaries to concentrate on converting the Oba so that his subjects would follow suit could not work. This was also the same story with regard to Warri within the same period. In the latter case, however, the Olu allowed his crown prince to be baptized and educated. According to history, this prince later sent one of his sons to Portugal to be educated and he later returned with a Portuguese wife (Ajayi 1965: 3). This development could have led the foundation of Christianity in Warri and perhaps to other parts of Nigeria but it did not. The evangelization was confined to the palace of the Olu. Despite the existence of Christian presence in Warri for one and half centuries, 1570-1733, Christianity was later completely overwhelmed by ATR. Thus, by the beginning of the 19th Century there were only a few relics to show that Christianity ever came to Warri. These included “the huge cross in the centre of the old Warri and a few church decorations surviving among the traditional shrines” (Ajayi 1965: 3).
The success story of the coming of Christianity to Nigeria was the second phase in the 19th Century and this time around the port of call was Badagry. In this phase, the Methodist missionaries led the way. The Rev. Thomas Birch Freeman was the leading Methodist missionary. He arrived in Badagry in September 1842 and was followed shortly by Henry Townsend, a lay missionary of the Church Missionary Society (CMS) (Ajayi 1965: 31-320). Four years later, Presbyterian and Baptist missionaries also arrived to join in the evangelization of Nigeria.
For the history of the origin of Christianity in Nigeria, however, the role played by the freed African slaves takes a central place. The liberated African slaves, many of whom were from Nigeria, were brought back to Sierra Leone where they were educated and converted to Christianity. Many of them later returned to Nigeria and became pioneer Christians and missionaries in Nigeria. Ajayi has detailed the account of this in a chapter titled “The Return of the Exiles” (Ajayi 1965: 25-52). A leading figure among the liberated African missionaries was Bishop Samuel Ajayi Crowther of the Anglican Church.
The story of Bishop Ajayi Crowther is fascinating. He was the first African Anglican Bishop. He was born in Oshogun, in the present-day Oyo State in 1891. He was captured and sold to the Portuguese slave traders. But before they sailed, the ship was captured by the British Navy and Ajayi was taken to Freetown, Sierra Leone. Freed in Freetown, the CMS took him and educated him and he served as interpreter to the Niger Expedition of 1841. He was ordained in England in 1843 and sent back to Sierra Leone to prepare for a mission to Abeokuta by beginning to conduct services in Yoruba language (Ajayi 1965: 33). In 1846, Bishop Ajayi, accompanied by Rev. Henry Townsend and others worked to consolidate the CMS mission in Abeokuta. Then in 1857 Rev. Ajayi led the CMS Niger Mission to Onistsha and environs to evangelize the area. He was elected Bishop in 1864. The Anglican Church also had to secure a base in Lagos which became a Diocese in 1919. The Niger Delta Diocese was inaugurated in 1952; Ibadan also in 1952; Northern Diocese in 1959. Other Dioceses came on stream after Nigeria’s Independence, including Benin in 1962 and Enugu in 1970.
Having failed in the 16th and 17th Centuries, the Catholic Church returned in the 19th Century, this time led by the Holy Ghost Fathers. Through the assistance of Bishop Ajayi Crowther, the Obi of Onitsha donated a site to the Holy Ghost Fathers in 1885 to begin their mission. It was said that the first converts of the Catholic Mission were redeemed ex-slaves. By 1900, the Holy Ghost Fathers had established three Christian villages made up of ex-slaves. When Rev. Father, later Bishop Shanahan came on scene in 1902, he intensified the policy of evangelization via education. He was credited with the saying that “it is through the schools that we will win over the whole country”. Recognizing the importance of education for evangelization, Shanahan ordered schools built in every village under his jurisdiction. The outcome was the upsurge of Catholic Schools throughout South-Eastern Nigeria. Under him the Roman Catholic Mission was able to evangelize and educate people in Igbo, Ibibio and Ogoja provinces, east of the Niger.
The Emergence of Islam in Igboland
For the ordinary Igbo person, Islam is a strange religion in Igboland. The general belief is that if the religion exists there at all, it is only being practiced by the Hausa-Fulani strangers in the Igboland. It would seem that the reality on ground today shows otherwise. Nnorom (2003) paints this picture:
… while Ndigbo are being religiously, ethnically and economically cleansed from the predominantly Islamic states of Nigeria, Igbo Imams, Sheiks, Alahajis (sic), Alhajas and mosques, once few and exotic, are now a common sight in one of the most homogeneous Christian regions in Africa.
In fact there is evidence to show that Islam might have been planted in Igboland by an Igbo Muslim as far back as 1957, even before Nigeria’s Independence (Ottenberg 1971 quoted in Nnorom 2003). According to Ottenberg as recounted by Nnorom (2003), it was one Okpani Egwani of Anohia village of Afikpo in the present day Ebonyi State who had brought Islam to that village. Egwani had been away from his village for several years. The villagers had believed that he was dead and had even performed funeral rites for him. However, as it turned out, Egwani had joined the Nigerian army in 1944. After his discharge he stayed in Lagos and was converted to Islam. He was said to have travelled far and wide, visiting such countries as Egypt, Gabon and the Congo. He joined the Islamic sect of Tijaniyya. When he returned to his village in 1957, he was said to have come in a company of some Muslim strangers from the North who assisted him to establish Islam in his village. Egwani had changed his name to Alhaji Ibrahim.
As would be expected, the initial attempt to establish Islam in Afikpo met with serious resistance. The villagers ridiculed the converts. However, the seed of Islamic religion had been sown in that area.
According to a recent studies (Nnorom 2003; Uchendu 2010) Islam is gaining strong foothold in many parts of Igboland. Nsukka is said to have 14 mosques and therefore “undoubtedly the Islamic capital of AlaIgbo [Igboland]” (Nnorom 2003). Two institutions have been identified as playing major roles in the propagation of Islam in Igboland. There is the educational institution known as Jama-al-Nazral School, said to be originally based in Enugu but has been moved to Ntezi village in outskirts of Afikpo where it has existed for nine years.***

Every point raised by me ranging from pioneering work on education in igboland(Revd Ajayi Crowther) to d point on d Binis being d first to receive western education/christian were complemented by his post.
One point I must reiterate now is that though these missions to chritianize/educate d binis failed but not totally as some bini sons ŵėřē taught to read $ write while others were baptize and embraced christianity.

Why are igbos feigning ignorance on d existence of igbo-muslims?
It is å hard fact to most Igbos dat some of their brothers are muslims but that is d truth.

I know of ån igbo man in Ojodu in Lagos who is å muslim.
He is wealthy,quiet and u only get to notice him in d neighbourhood on rare occasions.
People know him as chief Ozormena but don't know if he is really å chief or maybe he was nicknamed by friends.I also heard he is from Enugu.
One conspicuous feature u see on him is his long beards that will make u doubt if he is igbo.He has many of this Alhaji as friends who pay him constant visits.
Some rumours making rounds in d neighbourhood says he is gayy

PhysicsQED: Man will you shut up already.

I don't get my history on Benin and European interaction from a book written by some random Reverend Nzemeke because I'm not a fool.

The same Alan Ryder was invited to and did write the Forward for the book "Dusk Till Dawn: Folktales from Benin" by Iro Eweka, a member of the royal family of Benin, and Ryder's research is unrelated to the "Hamitic hypothesis". Stop blindly regurgitating terms you came across in your history class and leave Benin history out of your dumb trolling.

I commented harshly on your posts because they annoy me and contain some false statements. Until you can prove that Jacob Egharevba or anyone else important to Benin history claimed that a school was built in the palace you remain a fool and a liar.

You are å big fool without inquiry!Å bool written by University of Benin on Benin history is now fake?
Inferiority complex must run in your family for u to have debunked d works of reputable indigenous historians.