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Even in Israel today Jews don't pay tithes. nobilis: |
The story behind the scene on Tithing monies. At the beginning, God Created the Earth, etc.. Some Christians believe God is a hermaphrodite a he/she. Evidence to prove, Adam was made in the image of God. Genesis 2:7 Then God Created a Man in his own image, V's 21 and Later he took a rib from Adam, and then Eve was made. Temptation and the fall of Man. Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said: to the woman, " Has God indeed said, "You shall not eat of every tree of the garden. And the woman said: to the serpent, we may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden; "but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the Garden, God had said: you shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die, "But the serpent said: to the woman, You shall not surely die. For God knows that in the day you eat of it' your eyes will be opened, and you be like God, knowing good and evil. Genesis 3:22-And the Lord God said: Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. Satan had told his followers, that he had freed Adam and Eve from the Garden of Eden, claiming God had imprison them. And Satan had set them free, so they can be like God. This old bible text was used By the illuminati Freemasons, they believe Lucifer is the true God the saviour of this world. And if anyone chooses to follow after Satan they are like God too. 1 Corinthians 11:1 Jesus said: imitate Me. V's 3 that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. We are not God's. Jesus always said he is the Son of God. Freemasonry's don't believe in Jesus, but believe in a God. Lately these many false prophets are being exposed. And some well known prosperity preachers are part of: illuminati or Freemasonry's. Freemasonry teaches a false plan of Salvation. 2 John 1:9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. 1 Corinthians 10:20-21 That the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons! Freemasonry teaches that due-paying and good works alone is one guarantee for Heaven, without any intervention needed by Jesus Christ. The Pope also said: Jesus is not the only way to heaven. Their goal of Masonry's has always been to change the Christian faith into the secret society role. Today we hear about our prosperity Churches the Pope and world leaders in agreement pushing for a One world religion. Satan has his own Evangelical organization illuminati Fronts, with many of his followers, have recently been exposed. Using Christianity as a foundation of Christian Zionism {Sensationalism} under seductive promising riches and rewards. {Prosperity Gospel preachers were used to gain riches, twisting word only to lure the sleeping beauties of Christian faith. Sad to say: it's working. But only to those who refuse to follow the truth of our Lord Jesus Christ. Most larger Churches are now operating a business type structure an organized worldly system without the Lord God. In Satan's world he is the God of Power and Money. Satan believes what God can do, he can do better. God found fault in the tithing food system, sending his Son to change that old covenant that your forefathers had, became a priest forever setting us free given us a better covenant. Satan found none, in his own tithing monies system-sending himself to twist and change. leaving you all under the curse of slavery and bondage. Using Malachi 3 as a sample will you rob God. Many of you are being deceived you believe your tithing into God's Kingdom, Which one? Don't forget the fall of man-was said we are like God. |
It don't say, people that receive or pay tithes are twisting Bible verses around, mainly because they themselves don't read the bible. Or they listen to other preacher wolves in Churches who spread the lie-rather then the truth. nobilis: |
THOSE WHO PAY THEIR TITHES SHOULD READ THIS. These endtimes there's a lot going on and many have been exposed, watch and wake up! According to this Book, I am flicking through. "The secret teaching of Freemasonry By Gordon Mohr" This is exactly what the Masonic lodge teaches: {on page 107-108.} Firstly some years ago Kenneth Copeland started a teaching that Jehovah means half male/half female and that god is much as female as he is a male. I remember years ago that sermon was preached through out the churches. In the first initiation stages he {the Freemasons} learn: "1" that the rite of imitation for apprentice masons represents in dramatic fashion the origin of birth the nature God-the great all. It signifies that the two principles of matter and "form""male"and "female" are always eternally generating {Reproducing}. It looks on God as a hermaphrodite process" taken from: speculative masonry. Written by brother J. Yorke, grandmaster of the Ancient rite-pages 3 and 54. 2-The imitation rite into the second degree represents the moral conditions of natures God, always in labour; always reproducing again it looks on God as hermaphroditic and states that the name JEHOVAH, means "generation" meaning to say He-She, the two sexes are one. EXPOSED FREEMASONS. Some of the names. Kenneth Copeland a 33 third degree Freemason,exposed. Oral Roberts a 33 third Freemason. Robert Schuller follows to chant. Benny Hinn whom suspected a Freemason. J.D. Jakes Freemason illuminati exposed. Rev Kenneth Hagin, Billy Graham. The list continual's most of the great men in this world as known were Masons. Government leaders are Freemasons-illuminati those who travelled to the moon were Masons. The founder of the J W's was a mason, The founder of the Mormon's Joseph Smith was a Mason. And where did they say: where it all started: Adam and Eve. Now that's a good story, and Freemasons believe Lucifer had set Adam and Eve free from the prison they were in, in the garden of Eden. Are all the American evangelical organization Illuminati fronts? That many have followed around our nations. Its not hard to spot this illuminati infiltration of Christianity. It basically works on the foundation of Christian Zionism{sensationalism} under seductive promising riches and rewards. {Prosperity gospel or word of faith movement} To lure sleeping and unwitting masses to disappointment and ultimately to heresy and apostasy. The other dead giveaway is the Charismatic movement's emphasis on sign's and wonders, more than a serpent spirit parading around as manifestations of the Holy spirit. There are currently 100's perhaps 1000's of evangelical organizations operating in the world, I'm not saying: everyone? But some are agents of the illuminati, and as I read, the bigger players are twisting bible verses to gain tithing monies from you, only to support the Freemasons Illuminati organizations. John 5:43-44 I have come in my Fathers name and you don't receive Me; if another comes in his own name,him you will receive. V's 44, How can you believe, who receives honor from one another, and do not seek the honor that comes from the only God. So you see a lot of prosperity preachers, are connected with the illuminati, recently HILL SONGS was exposed. Same deal. You are giving your tithing monies to the enemy, you may believe your monies are used for God's kingdom, but I assure you it is, but in the illuminati they are the earthly God's. You are feeding the rich to become richer, stop given them your tithing monies read the scriptures, what God say's about tithing, and why Jesus had changed it. Timothy 6: men of corrupt minds destitute of the truth who suppose that Godliness is the means of gain, From such with draw yourselves. Matthew 6: the birds they neither sow nor they neither reap, nor they put into barns how much more are you. THE SAD: PART ABOUT THIS YOU DON'T EVEN TAKE A LOOK AT SCRIPTURE YOURSELVES TO FIND THE TRUTH. |
Really your not making any sense? Happy new year. Have a blessed day. Any body can say they are Christians, any body can say they know Jesus Question is" does Jesus know them. thorpido: |
Funny as it may sound, every time you decide to preach today's tithing money messages, to anybody-you are soliciting. It would have been a more pleasant conversation with you if you knew what you were talking about. thorpido: |
The tithing system today is unbiblical, its not Christian. It would be nice to find a real Church that believes in the lord., one that teaches his word.. PastorKun: |
To be honest, your knowledge is not of the bible, you are trying to twist and turn the bible so you may prove to yourself you are right and the scriptures are wrong. You stand as a false prophet, you have been pushing this prosperity tithing on this forum towards the lords people, either to gain monies for yourself, or you are like the many sheep that follow. And your wrong again in the old testament there was currency, money everywhere. Genesis 37:29 Joseph was sold by his brothers for twenty shekels of silver. Is that to strange for you to understand, God had used people to tithe from there own crops, shocks, cattle, etc..to feed the hungry. Not shekels of silver. You need to ask the lord to help you study your bible. thorpido: |
That's true, And that old system may have worked back then. But the tithing system the Church uses now, ain't about survival. PastorKun: |
I understand now you haven't studied your bible. Listen it's not your fault, I blame the prosperity greedy pastors, when I first became a Christian I was taught that same lie too. Until one day I cried out to the lord, saying to him; lord this tithing thing isn't connecting with me. It never did. I said: lord how come when you had called me into your kingdom you didn't mention about tithing. and how come lord you didn't tell me about it, until now. He gave me that perfect answer, and I understood, if I had received the truth back then I would have walked away. I was a Robin-hood, and after I was saved' and if only I knew about prosperity preachers than, I would have walked away from the church and the lord. Since then bible scripture after bible verse I read my eye's have been open. You have the old Testament tithing which is a bible doctrine which is about crops shocks, farming, first fruits, Cattle etc.. That O/Testament doctrine is about feeding the hungry and survival. This so called new doctrine, made from greed a doctrine that was twisted and turned, using bible verses' had changed history, a system put in place, that many of his followers will enjoy her pleasures in a prosperous money system, living the dream. The lord had warned us about these wolves in sheep clothing false prophets who won't stop at nothing. Wake up-These Christians who have been chosen are keeping the false flag standing, you who tithe in this money system are supporting these false prophets, only to gain monies from the poor to the rich, while they become wealthier' your brothers/sisters/children/ and Christian families and friends, live in a poverty mode hungry dying every day. Does that sound like the God of Abram, Isaac and Jacob.. thorpido: |
You aren't following Abram's tithing motives. You have your own motives of tithing, your tithing is not written anywhere in the bible. Old testament tithing was Foods, crops, shock, and first fruits. Your tithing is about monies, and that is not tithing under God's law, or even Abram or Isaac or Jacob's. thorpido: |
Firstly Abram paid a tithe from the spoils of war, that didn't belong to him. A one off tithe. So does that mean I should become a Robin-Hood and pay one tithe from the goods I retrieved. Secondly- Genesis 28:20-22, Jacob made his own law, he gave a vow to God after a dream to give a tenth. What verse in the bible shows Isaac tithed? Later In the O/Testament it was a law given that Jews tithe to the Levi priesthood. Then you tithe so does that make you a Jew. We gentiles don't tithe we are from a different tribe. If you read Hebrews 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. V's 14 For it is yet evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood. V's 16 he has come, not according to the law of a fleshly commandment, but according to the power of an endless life. The only answer I have, your not under God's old law, because the law on tithing was Foods, crops, shocks & first fruits to feed the priesthood and the needy. You and millions chose to follow a different tithing rule. It took Greed to change a nation one Man decided to twist and turn God's O/Testament laws, selling his own soul to the Devil for a price {Monies} Knowing many will turn their backs on the lord, robbing God and stealing from the poor the needy and widows and the fatherless. And like you' the rest follow like sheep, twisting bible verses, leading many souls up the wrong garden path to hell. Study your bible, don't just look at the verses read them. thorpido: |
Good I never asked you too respond back to me in the first place. It's ok you just need to study your bible, and when you do, the truth will set you free. Galatians 3:19-What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; V's 21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. V's 22 But the scripture has confined all under sin, that the faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. V's 23 But before faith came we were kept under guard by the law, V's 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. So the lords clearly telling us, we are no longer under the law system, the law was used as our tutor to bring us to Christ. So forget about that old testament tithing law, and come to Christ, Jesus is the only way to the father in heaven. But if this information brings out the kind of person I'm supposed to be, all I can say: Praise the lord.. Can you explain what part of my statement had offended you thorpido: |
First-Not everyone who pays tithes understand, it all make sense when one studies their bibles, firstly I don't tithe to a Levi priest, or a man who claims to be one, but I am a giver when the lord tells me to give. And I receive my blessings when seeing someone else I have giving to be blessed. I don't give in favour to receive unless the lord blesses me. I believe we are all blessed, just having the word of God. The lord clearly says: seek his kingdom {word} and all things shall be added to you. He don't say: this in his new covenant, seek tithing monies and all things shall be added to you. And where in the bible does it say, we are to follow the old testament tithing rules, and who was it who changed our food supply to money? Their is logic in the scriptures if one knows where to look. Second you are under the law, you are cursed as the lord says: you are. thorpido: |
Can you tithe it to me please? It shows clearly you ain't concerned about the husband or the mother or the baby's needs, but more concerned about the tithing needs. Its good to see all those who tithe are obeying the old covenant laws, Galatians 3:10 only to receive a curse. I say don't tithe spend all your monies on your new born preacher, pray to God asking for the blessings him/her deserves. Open your eye's and see the lord has blessed you and your wife, not because of tithing, but because you both believed. I pray you are not fooled by these false commandments, Jesus had set as free from these tithing money rackets. thorpido: |
You don't need five ways to identify a fake pastor. First-I know clearly as soon as they preach the tithing message, its time to back track out that same door I entered. Second-You need to listen what some preachers are saying: many are twisting and turning bible verses around so believers will turn to the illuminati. Matthew 6 was used, twisting the lords prayer drawing on the believers to follow Satan Matthew 6:9-13. v'S 9-Our Father in heaven Hallowed be your name your kingdom come your will be done v'S 10-On earth as it is in Heaven". Now this came from a mega Church called Hill songs v's 9-Our Father in heaven reveal who you are V's 10 set the world right, do what's best-as above, so below. They are using the illuminati to speak to the believers, a demonic statue used, with a goats head having a human body pointing as above and pointing so below. The sad part about this, It's Satan's plan is to destroy God's people. Using fake pastors in sheep clothing, who worship Satan. its important to read your bibles, those who don't know will surely end up like these falling souls. Third-Look out for the stage shows, most of the entertainment ain't about God. look around you and Watch, some have the illuminati signs such as the pyramid behind the stage. Changes had come, more and more Christians? are going to churches mainly for the entertainment only for the live music, so called Christian bands. And have you noticed even the salvation prayer had changed. Question is are people really being saved, and what new twisted teachings are taught other then the bible? |
Its great to see you aren't a law breaker, who do you worship? Galatians 3:10, For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse. Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law. Do you obey all the laws? You need to understand those who prosper in tithing are suffering, reason little is never enough. The law of tithing brings in disputes, arguments, strife, envy, evil suspicions, bringing in complaints from all directions. Don't you tithers read the word? Jesus had to change that old covenant, he made us a better covenant. In the old covenant; the Pharisees were practising, the same motives as pastors-priest do today. Living the dream. Is that the way you would like to be blessed? Living on the highways, the Pharisees would go to house to house visiting all sorts of women loaded down with sins, sitting in the best places in the synagogue {Church} standing in the market places, "Praying" out loud so everyone can hear them, allowing merchants to sell there stock first fruits on temple grounds, a market place used to Gain monies from the poor. This same description sounds like today's Churches. All because of tithing. spdnltd: |
Yeh its true, the homosexuals are hitting all the Churches, You need to talk it out with your Pope, he's planning to bring in a one world religion system, so all religions around the globe become one. Anas09: |
I actually went into a Catholic Church this evening, as I have always been puzzled about Catholic's paying tithes. The priest don't really say much does he, its the people from all walks of life get up and read, I couldn't understand what was said: they weren't loud in speech, a million miles away. I also noticed the priest receiving gifts of some sort, from Children. Does that happen all the time? I seen the three images {statues}, behind the priest, one of Jesus standing the other Jesus on the cross, and Jesus again as a baby with Mother Mary. The seats were very uncomfortable hard to sit on, it was hard to see the front of the Church, there were massive poles in front of me. And then later they called all the people for Holy communion, I wasn't invited because I'm not a Catholic, I wonder if the Catholics will invite me to heaven? Hey they ate something like bread and drank wine how cool. Are we being ripped off we only eat a biscuit, and give us a berry drink. That's different in the pentecostal Churches we accept everybody to join us when we do the Holy communion. They don't announce the call on tithing, they do it in a quite way, while I was listing to the songs sang by the people in the corner, not the Church, and while I sat they pasted the plate around, and later while they had sang a few more songs they had past the plate around the second time. Its not a verbal force, like we see in the pentecostal Churches, one might say" someone wasn't happy with the first plate past around. Not enough money, they needed more. The Catholics sang some bible verses, like Our Father in Heaven Hallowed be your name. I had noticed the Church people say to each other "peace and safety be with you." Thessalonians 5:3 say: For when they say peace and safety then sudden destruction comes upon them. The Catholic Church will be the cause of the falling generation, many will die going to Hell. Wake up, can't you see what's going on, the beast is at hand within the Church. I had noticed while they were praying; bless our lord God and bless the Catholic Church as being the only true Church. We are talking the End-times, the Pope is pushing for a one world religion. He claims the Catholic Church is the only true Church. Question is to whom? The J Witness are also great followers of the Catholics, they have also been deceived by "Satan" pushing for the new world religion. Churches from all walks of life, are heading this way. Have you any imagination what the Churches would be like, if all religions came together, first there would be a lot of confusion. different Gods; the people will end up destroying each other, as planned. Wake up people ask the lord into your lives, repent and ask for forgiveness. You may say you know Jesus, but does he know you? The beast has rising, save yourselves and those around you; pray that you will meet the lord in the clouds. Amen.... I have been to a Mormon Church, it was like stepping into a courthouse, ready to be sentenced. |
Well said: Do you judge, if not maybe you should, by there fruits you will know them. Watch, and listen because many on this forum are reaching out to the lost, before Christ comes. Maybe you should join us and share the good news, you know judgement is on the raise, then preach it. Save all the hypocrites, who call themselves Christians. kretiv: |
Do you honestly believe that? Even the Pope believes it too, I suppose you are ready for the one world religion coming soon. italo: |
Sorry brother I should have explained myself more clearly. But think about this? The Pharisees would used the tithes and offerings, to Gain another way to retrieve access from foods for cash, using God as a weapon against his people. Listen: The Pharisees used the temple to be used as a market place so the people could sell mechanise to the buyers. The Pharisees were receiving tithes and offerings plus a cash back guarantee. Most people call it rent, some call it trade. So then it is correct. So not only did the Pharisees received tithes and offerings, in foods but they received cash, from the people on temple grounds. This is why Jesus wrote Matthew 23 as a warning. The Pharisees had opened a door way using the temple as a market place for these merchants to sell and buy Foods, stocks, crops and first fruits from Gods people. The sad part about this story is the tithes and offering belonged not only to the priesthood but to the poor the needy the hungry, the fatherless and the widows. It wasn't God's plan, but Satan's plan to twist and turn the tithing system around using the priesthood to Gain more than they deserved. Don't be fooled brother, what happen then, happens now. PastorKun: |
If Jesus didn't find any weakness in tithing back in those days of old, then all God's people would still be tithing today. Jesus had seen how the tithing law how it corrupted the Pharisees. Matthew 6:24 Jesus say's: No-one can serve to masters; you will be loyal to the one and despise the other, you cannot serve God and Mammon. Matthew 23 gives us a positive description about the Scribes and the Pharisees, how they lived on the highways while receiving tithes from God's people. Malachi 3 shows us the priesthood were ripping off God, after receiving tithes and offerings. If Jesus couldn't find any fault with the tithing system, then I ask "why was Jesus so disappointed with the Pharisees. Is it because the Pharisees knew nothing about God-They used the tithe to Gain access into houses with gelable women loaded down with sins, and "Pray" thank you "God" I'm not one of these, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, evil suspicions, proud, corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that Godliness is the means of Gain {Money} Jesus clearly seen the tithing system 'God' had made-wasn't used as planned. Satan seen a great opportunity-calling in his own priest to twist and turn and destroy these plans; it would have worked if the flesh didn't have its weaknesses. The truth is "Money" can changed a man over night, look at the way the Pharisees lived, living the highways. Jesus had good reasons why he wrote Matthew 23, as a guide, given us directions, not only the priest in those day's, were corrupting the tithing system, we see this same ordeal happening in the 20th century. Wake up people, Don't be fooled. From such withdraw yourself. |
Which people? Your dreaming no-one going to die in the streets for paying half all even full. Read your bibles, Jesus redeemed us from that tithing law. babino22: |
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That's true, And that old system may have worked back then.