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MaxInDHouse:
That's because the TRUTH belongs to just one group :- Jehovah's Witnesses

Janosky:
Brocab LIAR like kilode
Christianity of Jesus Christ is NOT, NEVER a triune DELUSION of brocab.
Bros Read this screenshot here you posted on this thread and RECEIVE SENSE

Janosky:
*1) Bros, you love lies so much.
Daniel 10:13,21 and 1Thess4:16, is very straight forward. There is NOTHING erroneous about JWs stating the very facts revealed in both scriptures.


*2) Bros, is Tobit among the 66 books of your holy Bible?
WAYO man , you have Zero connection to Catholicism, you fault their doctrines and now you make FALSE claims as if you love Catholic Bible.
Hypocrisy tie wrapper on your head.

haddeylium:
Michael the archangel is Jesus heavenly role in his prehuman existence. After his resurrection, he returned to heaven to resume his role.
A man can be called CEO at work and father at home. we can not have two father at home ...can we?
Jacob is called israel too, doesn't makes him two?
Go through (Heb 1:1-9), it will worth your while.

Jws provides you with 1001 verses that disproves that pagan doctrine and teaches Unitarianism.
but you couldn't provide a single verse with trinity...shame?


Jesus even said all these are even stories
Matt 11:19 -“Wisdom is justified by her works

Jehovah's witnesses have been using the knowledge they have about Jesus' role to unite more than 8.7m people of different races having the same line of thought.

we follow Jesus command by having love among ourselves (John 13:35). Doesn't matter whether we are rich or poor, this love unite us

we do not go to war and kill people .. Isn't that love wonderful.

As Jesus commanded in (matt 24;14): we engage in this extensive preaching work in more than 230 lands proclaiming God's kingdom as mankind's only hope under Christ rulership

in lewl of that, we don't engage in politics (John 18:36), cos' we're only loyal to God's heavenly Kingdom.


With the knowledge/wisdom you have about Jesus, what have you religious group accomplished ?
or you can explain?

AkinwaleJJ:
It's all about beliefs and what each person concluded after reading the Bible, so no one can say authentically what is right or wrong in this case. The jws conclusion shouldn't be a problem for now, i believe everyone should continue running the race. The topic of the thread is about trinity and if you are an advocate of trinity, you're not in any position to say they're right or wrong because trinity itself is not found in the Bible!

AkinwaleJJ:
I don't think you're getting what jws meant.
God is a spirit, Jesus is a spirit, Micheal is a spirit but from all indications Jesus and Michael had so much in common, while God stand out as one that's unequalled.
God declared Jesus greater than everything else in heaven (save himself) immediately after completing his earthly course, so if Michael is a spirit in heaven just like Jesus then what proof do you have that the same Michael in heaven is not the life that was transformed into a fetus in Mary's womb?
JWs speaks based on what is presented in the Bible, though trinity has been a teaching in the churches but then one doesn't need to take side without diligence.

rabzy:
We can talk about the doctrine and argue or discuss it, but he has not answered my question.
He made two statements, 1 on KJV, the 2nd on JW saying Jesus is not the way to God. Those are clear statements and he has refused to defend either.

First there is no mystery, Jesus a mighty God and surbordinate to Almighty Jehovah is no mystery at all. Jesus is the firstborn of all creation, the beginning of the creation of God, then people want to equate him to Jehovah MBA MBA.

It is when you want to make them equal that you become mystified, because there are thousands of verses that will come at you and you won't be able to explain and you become mystified.

My question to you is can you show me in the Bible maybe like 5 places where Jehovah is said to depend on Jesus, or took instructions from him, or needed Jesus before he could do something.
You can check from Jesus prehuman existence, to when he was on earth and then to after his exaltation and power in heaven. Just a hint of that relationship like we have for Jesus where he cries to Jehovah, kneel before him, collects power from him, sits at Jehovah's right hand as otunba. You want to equate Otunba to Oba. Lai lai.

Then if Jesus has always been equal to God, when he became exalted and raised up by GOD, how come he never became higher than God. Remember Jesus has always been higher than all angels and humans before the exaltation. So why did he need to be raised up from his previous level, this new level should then be higher than Jehovah if they have been at par previously. It shows there are multiple levels of difference between Jesus and Jehovah from creation, Jesus was taken to a higher level and he is still lower than Jehovah.
Every knee has been bowing before Jehovah from time immemorial, but now Jesus has been added to that level. Every knee must bow before Jesus, he didn't have that privilege before, and Jesus knees still bows to Jehovah. Jehovah bows before no one.

Maximus69:
Still no verse that says people must recognise Jesus as the one and only TRUE God!

Well we know TRINITY is your problem!

Maximus69:
TRINITY only lives in the brains of brainwashed Churchgoers, it is not found anywhere in the scriptures so what you typed up there is your PERSONAL opinion my guy!
Just quote or cite a verse out of the 31,200 verses of this book called "Bible" that says people must recognise Jesus as the only true God!
If you can't then it simply means you and all your cohorts have been defrauded by Satan and his demons big time, what the Bible consistently say is
"In order to gain Salvation, everyone must believe that JESUS is God's Only begotten Son unbelievers who refuses to acknowledge this has been judged already so they will perish" John 3:16-18

Janosky:
Jesus Christ has spoken. [/b]

Janosky:
"So called God the son Fraud, is clearly a Man made satanic contraption contrary to the holy scriptures.
JWs shout Hallelujah for the truth Jesus Christ have confirmed in Matthew 4:10 & Mark12:29-30.

Jesus Christ has spoken.
Bros, enjoy your Fraud & have a great day.
Shalom.

Maximus69:
So in a nutshell there is nowhere in the 1189 chapters and 31,200 verses of the Bible that says people must recognise Jesus as the only true God shey?

Well i'm presenting to you the verse that says people must believe that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God ~John 3:16

(Philippians 2:5–.

(Hebrews 1:.

Janosky:
Brocab, most confused of men and faithless Triune pagan idol worshipper, DECEIVING himself.
2 Corinthians 5:7, please confirm if it's in your Bible.
Also, confirm that Exodus 6:3 & Acts 3:13 (KJV) are in your own Bible.

Janosky:
Brocab, the Triune IDOL WORSHIPPERS is doubtful Jehovah exists.
John 5:37,John 20:17,Jesus Christ His Son & Servant (Acts3:13) CONFESSED his Father and our god, Jehovah exists. Our faith solid.

2 Corinthians 5:7, JWs walk by faith and not by sight."

Brocab who WORSHIPs only what his own eyes can see- those triune idols in the screenshot.

Faithless Triune IDOLS WORSHIPPERS

Maximus69:
You are fabricating your own meaning to God's word, so i too can explain those verses my own way, the only way to settle this is for you to present a single verse in the scripture that says people must recognise Jesus as the only true God!

I believe that Jesus is the only begotten son of God as stated clearly in God's word! John 3:16

So present your own!

Maximus69:
Meanwhile you haven't present a verse in the Bible that says people should recognize Jesus as the only true God, perhaps that's the fabrication of your Dogheads NOT in God's word!

Maximus69:
The bolded is undeniable fact!
According to my own Bible there can never be a son without the father, and the Bible book that i quoted said "For GOD so Love (me) that he gave (me) his only begotten Son so that (if i) believe (put my trust in the counseling of his son) (i) will not perish but have everlasting life" John 3:16

Surely there is no saviour apart from the one who provided the (lamb) as a ransom sacrifice for my sin! {Isaiah 43:11} of course i have to appreciate the lamb (Jesus) but the SAVIOUR before Saviour, LORD before Lord, FATHER before Father, KING before King, SHEPHERD before Shepherd is JEHOVAH, He orders Jesus around! Psalms 110:1

Meanwhile you haven't present a verse in the Bible that says people should recognize Jesus as the only true God, perhaps that's the fabrication of your Dogheads NOT in God's word!

Maximus69:
The highlighted is where we part ways!

Because my own Bible says i must exercise faith in him as God's only begotten Son {John 3:16} sorry there is nowhere in the scriptures that says people must confess Jesus as the only true God!

Maximus69:
And you've not come across several posts where i confessed Jesus as Master, Lord and King shey?

Sorry my guy you've got nothing to say!

Maximus69:
So you don't have any evidence to confirm your accusation, i've said it "you're just bitter like the Pharisees of the first century Jewish community who just feel like accusing Jesus but don't have any evidence to do so.

You're saying JWs don't believe Jesus is the way to God, oya present just one JW publication to support your accusations the next is STORY! STORY!! STORY!!!
Of course we will never agree with your TRINITY Dogheads, what is indisputably clear is
Jesus is the only begotten Son of God!

rabzy:
Still unanswered, show me a publication where JW teach that you don't need Jesus to get to the father...shikena

Maximus69:
Well the Watchtower have gathered over 8.7 million individuals from different races under the heavens and taught them never to raise weapons against their fellowman neither will they learn war anymore {Isaiah 2:2-4} of course that's the work of the PRINCE of PEACE {Isaiah 9:6-7} we've seen this and that's why we are Witnesses of the fact that Jesus' teachings is powerful enough to settle all the disputes that's making people carry weapons to kill one another! Micah 4:1-3
So you can continue deceiving yourself and blurring your own sight! 2Corinthians 4:4

rabzy:
All those scriptures you are quoting does not shed any light on the subject matter, so they just deflections...it does not apply to the subject matter nor does it apply to me as a person or JW as a group.

As of this material time this is what i want from you

Show us proof that KJV is the best version of the Bible
As claimed by you..JWs teach that you dont need Jesus to get to the father, show us any of our publications in the past 130 years that says that.
These are not even doctrinal issues, these are just your words..defend it oga.
Anything other than this...then have a good day Sir....and stop spreading lies...

Maximus69:
Of course Jesus made mention of deceivers yet he didn't say there will be no teachers to continue teaching his followers otherwise he wouldn't have said "teaching them to observe all the i have commanded you" Matthew 28:20
Jesus said he will appoint a faithful slave to feed his sheep in the endtime {Matthew 24:45} so how do we identify this slave?
By their FRUIT! Matthew 7:16-20

Janosky:
According to Jesus Christ@ John 17:1-2,
John 6:37,39. John 17:6,9,
Bros, Who gave authority to your Jesus is God?

John 17:1-3
Prayer for the Son
1When Jesus had spoken these things, He lifted up His eyes to heaven and said, “Father, the hour has come....
2For You granted Him authority over all humanity, so that He may give eternal life to all those You have given Him. [b]3Now this is eternal life, [b]that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent



John 6:37
Everyone the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will never drive away.

John 6:39
And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of those He has given Me,

John 17:6
Ihave revealed Your name to those You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours; You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word.

John 17:9
I ask on their behalf. I do not ask on behalf of the world, but on behalf of those You have given Me; for they are Yours.


Bros, continue incriminating your false claims and EXPOSE your lack of SENSE

rabzy:
It proves nothing, if a king has the power to pardon a criminal and he gives his son the same power of pardoning, it does mean they are one and the same. They are of the same mind, because Jesus said he does not do any of his own except what he sees the father doing, one mind, same goal, same purpose but never same person or body.

Philip wanted to see the father the same way he is seeing Jesus, but Jesus told him seeing me is as good as seeing the father...what do you need to see the father for, when the son is here to represent him fully. Jesus and his father and his loyal disciples are one, he said just as I am one with the father, you too are one with us.

On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you...John 14:20. Explain that verse. The context in which Jesus is talking is plain for all to see in that chapter

You keep saying things we never said or preach. Jesus said am the way to the father, we JWs believe you can't get to the father except passing thru Jesus. Pls bring out one publication from us where we teach that you don't need Jesus to get to the father.

If you can't I won't bother with any further discussion

You are the one saying once we are on the way (Jesus), we don't need to get to the destination (father). Jesus want you to go thru him to the father, not to get to him and claim you have reached the destination. You need to get to the father thru Jesus, don't remain on the road, Jesus want you to get to the father.

Janosky:
You just dey DECEIVE your gullible self .

*1 All authority was given to Jesus is God.
This WAYO man say Jesus received authority from himself.

*2. "Trying to reach the Father without Jesus" , when you done misquote John 14:8-9. If to say SENSE dey Brocab brain

rabzy:
If we interprete these scriptures with like minds we would be on the same page. All Jesus said was that he was God's son and they hated him for it for he was just a carpenters son. He said he has the power to forgive sins and they said only God can forgive sins. They were not wrong only God can forgive sin, but fail to realize that Jesus was acting as God's representative and had been given the authority to do same. This is what the close disciples of Jesus came to realize that the Jews as a nation didn't know or want to accept.

rabzy:
Can you come up with proof of your statement that the KJV is closest to the truth? Don't just make statements and expect people to believe

What are you even talking about, when did you and I discuss bible manuscripts, please can you highlight where I said I don't need Bible manuscripts.

I can tell you that before the advent of internet I had up to 5 different Bible versions I use. When I go out preaching I often go with two then, but
internet has given access to more versions, so am absolutely lost on what you are saying

rabzy:
What's this KJ you are always talking about, I believe the holy scriptures..what is KJ, if you mean King James version, millions of Christians have lived and died before king James commissioned that version and the KJ version was based on other earlier versions. King Henry the 7th also commissioned a Bible like a 100 years before king James, other kings in Germany, Spain etc also commissioned scholars and clergy to translate the Bible into their own language even before the KJV. So why this fixation on king James version of the Bible.

rabzy:
I don't listen to strange teachings, I read the Bible holistically and listen to healthful teachings from the holy scriptures.
Can you explain the following scriptures vizaviz your statements above.

24Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27For he “has put everything under his feet.” c Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

Maximus69:
You are sure the one and only man whose group succeeded in forming one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers, and remains the world's most peaceful and peace loving after a century that the man was buried!


Yet God's word foretold that in the last days people from different races under the heavens will form one family without any of them thinking of how to kill his neighbour nor learn wars, but you and all your cohorts can't present any better performing group than the one you're saying belongs to this man!


Surely God is roasting him in your imaginary Hellfire just as you wish!

Maximus69:
You abuse God's word each time you apply it wrongly, otherwise God's word is like a sharp sword that penetrates people's hearts {Hebrew 4:12} so if you belongs to God, whenever you hear the truth of God's word you become obedient because it will bring soothing relief (comfort) to your soul {Psalms 23:3} but if you're not of God each time you hear words that's comforting others you'll become agitated! Mark 11:18
When i first encountered this young woman, i was so irritated with her pictures that i began taking her for granted but after throwing the scriptures at her i noticed how she's responding despite my judgmental attitude towards her, that's when i realized that she's just proud of the beauty God gave her, she had no evil in her heart! Luke 7:37-48

So my friend through the case of this young woman God's holy spirit brought back to my memory what i learnt in God's word which says [b]"true Christians walk by faith NOT by sight"[b]
2Corinthians 5:7

God bless you!

Zzor:
lol,are you also a pervert like your fake pastor johnw47