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Islam › Re: The Atheist In Islam For Muslims by budaatum(op): 1:19pm On Jun 30, 2020
TheSourcerer:
remember the can cokes I illustrated earlier? The emotion mix of the two burst open at the perfect time. Equilibrium of spontaneous emotions on perfect lane at first sight , it is very rare !
The two cans of coke you explosed at the same level of energy and burst of force that I referred to here? I don't think its that rare. Go do the same to any two cans of coke and you'd see the action repeats everytime.

By the way, why do you pleasure in convoluted sentences? Do you not know they just show muddling of thought though they are meant to deceive? "Equilibrium of spontaneous emotions" my two tits!
Christianity Etc › Re: What Happens When You're Dead? by budaatum(op): 12:54pm On Jun 30, 2020
OLAADEGBU:
Are you still an atheist?
I am to you what ever your small mind thinks I am, Deg. When your mind grows big enough however, you will find that I am who I am.
Islam › Re: The Atheist In Islam For Muslims by budaatum(op): 12:42pm On Jun 30, 2020
TheSourcerer:
what motivates love at first sight?
I wouldn't know since its not something I have experienced. I have experienced lust at first sight though, and what most describe as love at first sight seems more like that to.

What motivated love at first sight for you, Sourcerer?
Education › Re: Not For Atheists! by budaatum: 12:38pm On Jun 30, 2020
TheSourcerer:
here's what I mean

Let's not face the shooter ,
Face the children killed
According to karma they were killed because they must have killed someone too


There are 3 sides to every story
Well, some may indeed concern themselves with the story of others but buda is only concerned with buda's story, and I assure you that buda always reaps whatever buda sows be it good or bad.

Do let me know if it is not the same for you.
Islam › Re: The Atheist In Islam For Muslims by budaatum(op): 11:30am On Jun 30, 2020
TheSourcerer:
Bella's instinct to stangers is aggression
Bella's Instinct towards me is playful not love

Likewise 'lovers' , they are friends who procreate , real lovers are playful like yes..... Dogs
Well, some would say Bella's reaction towards you is love, or at least, affection, and that towards strangers is apprehension, at least. Even if both are instinctive, something motivates that instinct, unless you want to claim its an arbitrary reaction.

You don't just love people instinctively, for instance. Something has to motivate how you feel.
Education › Re: Not For Atheists! by budaatum: 11:25am On Jun 30, 2020
TheSourcerer:
glad you don't believe in karma take for instance I shoot up a pre school , then logically (according to karma) those kids did something to deserve what they got
No, that's not exactly karma. Karma is what you'd get in return for shooting up a pre school. Even if you are not caught and sent to jail, unless there's something wrong with your brain, your actions would haunt you for the rest of your life.

How do you feel everytime you remember what you did here, for instance?
Education › Re: Not For Atheists! by budaatum: 11:22am On Jun 30, 2020
TheSourcerer:
For the first Asterisked you may not but I do , which makes it both our opinions (let's agree to disagree)
2nd part i agree with but you know they preach this way because it was written you must go to the four corners of the world (btw earth is not flat duh)
They preach hate about other religion as other sister religions do , even sister monks protest and dispose each other due to difference in doctrines and rites , made a post about that btw


Now I blame God Jesus Mohamed for this hate because like the analogy I made about the king sending two different messangers at different times with different orders (mostly hating on the previous messager) , leaving the villagers hanging , ...confused and yeah killing each other on which of the messanger was right , was there even a message to begin with , if the king loved his people so much ,why conflicting texts ? Why not come and explain in your own words let us know you as a father



Killings and rapes in random areas churches and mosques and he could not do nothing? Now tell me what's the diffrdiffe between Uwa a believer and Jane an unbeliver ? They both got raped I the church , they both were killed ,




But no the stupid bible goes further to tell us since UWa was a chrisysch she will be with him in paradise but Jane can go to hell because she was not a believer .. .....


Why now answer me this should I remain an Atheist .
Remain what you may, of course, but basing it on errors of understanding is not healthy.

Preachings is as much as the Bible or Quran as the finger pointing to the moon is the moon.

You may of course convince me of your opinion by showing me where the books they preach from say one must hate. By my understanding neither advocates hating those who worship different to the other's way.
Islam › Re: The Atheist In Islam For Muslims by budaatum(op): 11:04am On Jun 30, 2020
TheSourcerer:
I love dogs
Her name is Bella , a GSD , you?
No, not got one now. I've had four in my lifetime and they loved me to bits.

Did Bella hate or love you?
Christianity Etc › Re: What Happens When You're Dead? by budaatum(op): 11:03am On Jun 30, 2020
TheSourcerer:
sorry about your chess partner ,

Omg omg I love chess! I love Chess! How can we play?

Again sorry he died
Thanks. I'll miss him because our chess playing included a pint of Guinness and great conversation.

Register on gameknot and invite budat to a game. I'd have gotten a free month for your registration but I've already got life.
Education › Re: Not For Atheists! by budaatum: 10:58am On Jun 30, 2020
TheSourcerer:
but even when you understand you die still and go to the grave so what then? Your 'knowing' dies with you?
Okay let's say you create a religion and this knowledge is passed , see the essence of making a religion, would you make one?
My knowing does die with me unless I store it somewhere apart from in my head.

When I die, for instance, my writings on NL will remain, and you, for one, on hearing I have died, will dig up some of our conversations in remembrance. And if you dig them up long enough, someone might decide to compile them into a book - though I hope not, and voila, the ideology of buda might just take off, and some might make a religion of it - though, I hope no one starts worshipping buda as that would mean they do not understand a word I've written.

An example would be Buddha. He is not worshipped by those who understand his words. Another would be Jesus. They say [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Philippians+2%3A6-11&version=NIV]God exalted him[/url], but the truth is that humans writing after he died were the real exalters. He would recent the religion of Christianity if he were to return today as he never advocated "worship Jesus" despite whatever you read in the Bible.
Islam › Re: The Atheist In Islam For Muslims by budaatum(op): 10:44am On Jun 30, 2020
TheSourcerer:
hence it is not real (think outside the box)
Would you say hate is real?
Is hate not relative
Love and hate cannot me measured curbed or labtested , how do we know love is not just instinct to feel welcome on the planet , to aid reprocreation like animals , would you say animals feel love as love(an emotion) or an instinct?
Remind me how you feel about Jesus again. Is your feeling not real, or do we need to measure it first?

I'm certain that you'd recognise when someone loves or hates you as real even if you can't measure it. Just go through some past threads and you'd see the difference between your lovers and those you hate and who hate you.

Yes, animals do feel love and hatred, you'd know this if you ever had a pet. If I said a dog, for instance, bites those it loves, would you agree?
Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 10:25am On Jun 30, 2020
CoronaVirusPro:
Outright beer parlour analysis.

When did the people become Democrats? Protest happened across 50 states in America, were they all Democratic states? Okay! Let me go by your logic. Texas and Florida opened up the economy and they presently have highest cases in the USA, Will you blame democrats for that too? Oh! It was Democrats that took it there.

What about the other countries where protest happened? They were Democrat countries right?

Blame the failed incompetent Trump and not Democrats. As of date, the Press Secretary still said wearing a mask is a choice, and Pence said yesterday in a Texas church that wearing mask was highly needed. Who do you blame for this inconsistencies? Democrats right? Where is the Pandemic response team? They have gone awol and nowhere to be found. Fauci has been rendered useless with his years of experience and track records. Tell me, Fauci is a Democrat to right?

Trump released re-opening guidelines, Did he adhere to it?

Stop regarding the people has Democrats. If Democrats had such huge number across 50 states, Trump wont be the President in the first place. People just used BLM to vent their anger on the failed administration of Trump. It has nothing to do with Democrats.

Updated Now Arizona is going for a partial lockdown. Trump pushed those Republican states to open up and now that cases are spiking, he has abandoned them. He never takes responsibility. Its the Governors that are being lambasted by the people. Trumps Disaster! Will you blame democrats also?

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 10:17am On Jun 30, 2020
salford1:
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Christianity Etc › Re: What Happens When You're Dead? by budaatum(op): 9:59am On Jun 30, 2020
TheSourcerer:
Now in 2020 , where do you think our existence /beign goes or resides when we die ?

My Answer

The same way we knew nothing before we were born so would it be after we die , darkness and blankness

Hbu
It's like wondering what one's grandchild knows before one has one's first child. Lol.

We can't know anything before you were born because you did not exist before you were born. And your brain function stops once you're dead, so you can't possibly continue to know even what you knew before you died.

I learnt this morning that my once a week chess partner of almost 15 years died after a brief illness. If only we could do 1. d4 Nf6 from the grave.
Education › Re: Not For Atheists! by budaatum: 9:33am On Jun 30, 2020
TheSourcerer:
as a child , hmm

But why ? To prove something ? Tell me
To understand.
Education › Re: Not For Atheists! by budaatum: 9:32am On Jun 30, 2020
TheSourcerer:
and you what's your take on evolution , and how man got here?

On the thread disbelief to know
Man, or rather, humans evolved from beings that preceded them.

See my thread on Evolution 101
Islam › Re: The Atheist In Islam For Muslims by budaatum(op): 9:23am On Jun 30, 2020
TheSourcerer:
Thinking about it love can't even move a blanket , it's just a type of brain consciousness.
Would you say a motor car is just metal because it can't fly you to the moon?

The function of love is not blanket moving!
Islam › Re: The Atheist In Islam For Muslims by budaatum(op): 9:20am On Jun 30, 2020
Xmuslim:
You need to study hadith and seerah (history of Islam) to understand who Muhammad was and what he preached. Qur'an is just a tip of the iceberg.

It took several scholarly arguments before permission was given for the translation of the Qur'an, and a verdict was given that NO TRANSLATION IS EQUIVALENT TO THE ARABIC QUR'AN. So, to understand Qur'an, you must learn Arabic.

There wasn't a book called Qur'an in Muhammad time, but people memorised it and teach others. There were few written verses scattered around too. Some written on leaves, animal skin, etc


YES.
One must study the history of all religions in order to understand them.

My main Quran is the Translation and Commentary by Abdullah Yusuf Ali, and includes contextual history on every page. I have two others that don't but the comparison is helpful.

I've read about 4 autobiographies of Mohammed, and a couple of books on the history of Islam, and a bit of various versions of the Hadith.

I'm in no way suggesting to be an expert on the subject, but I'd say, as a non-Muslim, I've done pretty well, and even much more than some Muslims whom you say don't even read the Quran because they can't read Arabic.

But of course, the measure is not how much one reads but the transformation one's reading produces in one, don't you think?
Education › Re: Not For Atheists! by budaatum: 8:47am On Jun 30, 2020
TheSourcerer:
Sunday? Dude whats up? Watching weights. ?
An hour in the bath tub ugh yeeah that's heaven .

Morning ♥️♥️
I have a condition that makes food digest very slowly. It makes me feel so full up that I can't eat though I'm hungry at the same time, but eating just makes my constipation worse.

Today, for instance, despite my hunger, breakfast is a coffee and a banana. Lunch might be the pizza I'll make with ingredients I bought a week ago that would go off if not used soon, otherwise, it's rice and chicken or a salad, with supper depending on how full I feel.
Education › Re: Not For Atheists! by budaatum: 8:30am On Jun 30, 2020
TheSourcerer:
here are my believes

Karma does not exist
What will be will be
Life is not predestined
I believe in Aliens
I did not believe in evolution until early this year (reasons later , evolution happens but not the beginning of man)
I believe life must exist no matter what , even if it's debris in space life must exist
Nobody has died and come back
I know there's no reincarnation
Shadowmen are Aliens
We have other species of human than we know now
No one has seen the spiritual (exception of mental illness causing hullicenations)
And if the spirits really do exist then we should be more powerful , and they scared of us and not the other way around


I believe In Death
I believe bad things will happen to good people and good things will also happen to good people , in inverse it's still the same

We are not of this world literally Animals do , We cook our food before we eat , we have no defensive biological mecanism


I partly believe in cryptids ( big foot , yeti , lochness (hoax), Himalayas man, )
I believe in mermaids (not spirit at all)
As they are sea horses , sea lions , even sea snakes and rodents so why won't there be a see-human or as least look suite
I was saving this for when my mind could handle a response.

I, myself, do not believe any of the things you list above.

Take karma, for instance. I do not believe in karma at all. What I do know for sure is that I always reap what I sow. And there's no way I could harvest cocoa if I put maize in the ground.

Take "what will be will be". Indeed, if I sit on my ass and do nothing perhaps. But by the power invested in me, what is is whatever I put effort in to make be, because, "life is indeed not predestined".

Aliens? Jung would say they are the 20th century version of angels, and then laugh when alien believers don't believe in angels and demons.

Evolution? Death? Well since you accept it happens, shouldn't the correct expression be "I know", rather than, you "believe"?

Believers are lazy people. They create crap inside their heads and claim it is so. Beliefs themselves are the crap. They are hypothesis - suppositions or proposed explanations made on the basis of limited evidence. At best, they are a starting point for further investigation. And the strong do the investigative work so they actually know.

Here's one I prepared earlier on the topic.
Disbelieve and Know!
Education › Re: Not For Atheists! by budaatum: 7:27am On Jun 30, 2020
TheSourcerer:
,how's the afternoon going though .........
Afternoon? Lol! An hour in the bath, then I slept and I slept and I woke up starving this morning as I didn't even get up to eat. My last meal was Sunday, I think. A chicken salad.

Good morning Sourcerer.
Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Wisdom? by budaatum(op): 7:20am On Jun 30, 2020
I wonder if time has made us evolve.

Truthsbitter:
The man that has become aware of what is good and what is evil and who is consciously living the good is wise.

Note that when I write good and evil, I am MOSTLY referring to the inner state of a man (I.e spiritual righteousness, inner peace, ) for it is what manifests to physical righteous. Matthew 23:25-26 KJV
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. [26] Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
Thanks for this, Truth.

Maximus69:
I'm deeply sorry, goodbye!
Max, your apology for patronising me is accepted.
Islam › Re: The Atheist In Islam For Muslims by budaatum(op): 7:04am On Jun 30, 2020
Xmuslim:
I don't think love is real per se. We don't usually love people's personality without any other attachment (such as beauty, money, religion etc). Thus, we don't love unconditionally. The love fades once the conditions upon which it's built are no more
I don't think love is unconditional either. A condition must exist for love.

I for instance, love my fellow human beings and walk down the street smiling at people. That they are human would be the attachment, though I do love animals too and my village people would tell how I cry and get angry if trees on my farm are cut.

The condition for my love is we are all human and my mind is clear of prejudice which is produced by ignorance. If I had not created a condition of no prejudice in my own mind by reducing my ignorance, I would surely find it hard to love some of my fellow human beings, I think.

I do draw the line at the men who are pigs though! They just need to make out the pointy bit between their legs makes them superior to tits and all my love goes out the window and I snarl!

I guess there are conditions that are required for both love and hatred, but we have a huge say in ensuring we chose the better conditions for either.
Islam › Re: The Atheist In Islam For Muslims by budaatum(op): 6:46am On Jun 30, 2020
TheSourcerer:
Reed you too? Lol



I think the common thing is love
Love supercedes



But then again is love real or another blissful illusion we hold on to?
Are you denying the evidence before thee, Sourcerer?

Is it not the truth that if I love you to death you would put down all your defenses and love me back, or at the very least, not attack me?

Perhaps you are not convinced yet, so I shall love you more!
Islam › Re: The Atheist In Islam For Muslims by budaatum(op): 6:41am On Jun 30, 2020
LordReed:
My dear buda is like a distillation of that which is good in all of us.
You elevate me far higher than my worth my Lord!
Islam › Re: The Atheist In Islam For Muslims by budaatum(op): 6:36am On Jun 30, 2020
Xmuslim:
surprisingly, most Muslims never read Qur'an in the language they understand, because Muhammad promised 10 rewards for each Arabic letter during recitation. So, they prefer the reward than the understanding. Infact, they don't care about the understanding, because they rely on the scholars that already understood the book.

I never read English Qur'an cover to cover too when I was a Muslim. The only difference with me is I understand arabic, so I get the meaning as I read the Arabic.

I can't count the number of times I read the Qur'an cover to cover in Arabic.
"10 reward for every Arabic word"? It sounds like something someone might have added at a later date as I doubt Mohammed would have concerned himself with translations in other languages. I mean, their wasn't even a book in Arabic in his lifetime not to talk of translations. And many could not even have been expected to read Arabic.

Relying on scholars is like relying on men of God in Christianity. The result in both cases is ignorant sheep!
Education › Re: Not For Atheists! by budaatum: 1:55pm On Jun 29, 2020
TheSourcerer:
nah not off topic
Remember I ask one question to find out another
The number 20 though is not typical of a Buda
July maybe,

Oh London
It's a good thing but bad too
If you were home based /born , and think outside the box then there may just be hope for Nigerians
But now nada !It's sad

Explains alot
I don't understand why anything should be typical about a unique individual called buda. There's only one buda, after all, created in God's image and not in anyone else's, and just like everyone else she's unique.

There is hope for Nigerians, Sourcerer! I am unfortunately stuck where I am at the moment due to something that caught me in Nigeria, but I talk on here with Nigerians in Nigeria, and I have lots of relatives and friends and acquitances in Nigeria, and a whole town whom I constantly discuss and reason with too, and while many do say "there is a demon in buda", gradually, like with you, some understanding occurs, and some change their points of view, like you are going to in due time. Do note however that if you believe a single word I say instead of understanding it, I will insult you again by calling you a theist and a sheep! And no, I am not suggesting you become a Christian or a Muslim, but that you be the you that you are and are meant to be. If God wanted you to be otherwise, you would not be who you are.

I'm taking a break. I've been up since 9am Sunday having these sort of conversations with numerous people on many platforms and around the world and I'm now tired and my eyes have stopped seeing and my brain is no more at its optimum so I'm going to go slip in a bath and rest awhile.

I'm signing off with a hymn about that name you say you hate so much. Lol. Enjoy, and thank you immensely for your patience and time and the effort you've put in to understand the ramblings of theist buda.

You, sir, are highly regarded.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owx3ao42kwI
Education › Re: Not For Atheists! by budaatum: 1:42pm On Jun 29, 2020
TheSourcerer:
Paul, while advocating humanism, is written to have said:

When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

If you put it this way it's bearable to read for me ,
Paul Advocating for humanism not Advocating for Christ .
But you must not find it "bearable to read" , Sourcerer! You should disagree! You should say, "that is not what Paul was saying"! You should ask, "and who gives you the authority to interpret the Bible in such a way", and "how dare you call Christ humanism"?

You see. What I am accusing you of is, instead of understanding the Bible for yourself, you reject what you have been told to believe, as you very well ought to and as Jesus also rejected what he was supposed to believe, except, you deny yourself of all that you could learn from it because of your antipathy to a name! It is not your fault, however. They tell you to believe, lol. Who, pray thee, with a brain in their head and the ability to use it would not reject what they are told to believe especially when it does not correspond with what they perceive with their own senses? Sheep, I say. And brain dead people who's senses don't work. And people who think the Bible was written in heaven by God! And those who have not fully imbibed Jesus the Logos into their hearts and minds and souls.

When it is written that one should seek the Kingdom of God, gain understanding of godly things is meant, and not just believe in any odd stuff without understanding what it is one is asked to believe. Unfortunately, those who preach, the majority at least, lack understanding, so they give stones instead of bread so to speak, and sell fake promises in some after life as a reward for suffering on earth, and people buy all this with their tithes so their pastors get rich and fat and fly aeroplanes while the tithers come on here begging for food!

I tell you the truth. Any God who makes me such promises will be taken to the bottom of a river and drowned after I bash its silly head in for thinking I could be so gullible! And if I believed such promises without first understanding, I myself will take buda to the bottom of the river and bash buda's head in and drown buda for being so gullible and stupid!

"Give me peace now God", says I. "I'm not suffering for three score and ten for some imaginary blissful afterlife"! Thankfully, God looks at buda and probably shakes its head at my audacity and says, "Well. I guess I created buda how buda is", and therefore blesses buda abundantly, or rather, shows buda how to learn to "be fruitful and increase in number; and fill the earth and subdue it, and rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground”. And because buda learns, buda is blessed.

There is immense power in understanding Jesus, see, but you got to seek understanding to get it.
Crime › Re: This Guy Committed Suicide Last Night RIP by budaatum: 12:54pm On Jun 29, 2020
sagna112:
I swear dey wan buy land to bury him no money... he's till in the room he committed
I'm being uberharsh, I know, but they should throw his useless corpse on the trash heap and let the vultures feed on it instead of wasting more money on it.

I am so angry it's like it's my own child!
Crime › Re: This Guy Committed Suicide Last Night RIP by budaatum: 11:31am On Jun 29, 2020
Now his poor mother has to find the money to bury his corpse, and I bet he gambled her share too!

He should commit suicide again just for being so selfishly stupid!
Education › Re: Not For Atheists! by budaatum: 11:21am On Jun 29, 2020
TheSourcerer:
where were you born? , and what month day
That's a very off topic question, sourcerer!

I was born in the London Borough of Lewisham on the 20th of July.
Education › Re: Not For Atheists! by budaatum: 11:15am On Jun 29, 2020
TheSourcerer:
what if we are all fools then , the people speaking to themselves as God' and those who disprove him


But you growing up again should bring something new outside the status quo ♥️
In a sense, we are all fools. But moreso those who try to prove or disprove the existence of gods. And indeed "something new".

Paul, while advocating humanism, is written to have said:

When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

Basically, grow-up and evolve, which is the purpose of, and process, that is detailed in the Bible. Pity is how few still see only a reflection. Like pointing to the moon but seeing only the finger.

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