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Perfectbeing:
The criteria.. I repeat.. The only criteria for making heaven is faith in Christ. Hence you'll see good people in hell and "bad people in Heaven.

Good works existed before Jesus came to die. If good works was a requirement then John 3:16 would read "For God so loved the world that whoever does good shall not perish but have everlasting life"

John 6:29 (from Jesus Himself); Jesus answered and said unto them this is the work of the God, that you believe in Whom He sent..

Mary and Joseph would not have been saved if they did not believe in Jesus

By your reasoning, demons that believe in Jesus will enter heaven despite their trembling, which does sound rather contrary to what Christ taught in the Parable of the Orangutan!

I think any sensible person should ask what sort of god would do what you say God would do here.

sagenaija:
I have noted it previously that Empiree seem to have been suffering from paranoia in many fronts over the years.

I had also stated that his ingrained hatred for Christianity because of a childhood bad experience makes him not to be objective about Christianity. That makes him not just unwilling to learn like you said but closed minded to even clear truths.

Did you notice how he carefully avoided the issues about Uthman Dan Fodio issue which incidentally is same he's trying to accuse others of?

O, I noticed. I also know he knows what hypocrite means.

He should seek help for his paranoia and lies.

If prayer is what you call violent, then I too violently pray that you abandon your hatred and become a Muslim. It might help you understand that Allah God can not possibly be hearing or fulfilling such ignorant prayers and those who pray them can only end up in hell.

Empiree:
Go and preach your "peace" to RCCG Adeboye, Oyedepo, Idahosa, Bakare, Kumuyi et'al. They are violent people. In case you have forgotten let me help you with some phrases from their terror manifesto.

# 34 of christian terror manifest reads:

Let God be God not Allah. Our task is to witness effectively, power and the ability to **** witness, pray for it.


#35 Pray against thier ritualistic activities (five daily salat, count of beads, recitation of Quran, Ramadan, Pilgrimage to Mecca Zakat and many others.




#38 Muhammad says, "I do not know what become of me. Pray that the blind followers of this man see the light and be converted (to christianity)


#39 Target Muslims in your area or neighbour and until he change, remember SPEAK IN TONGUE


#42Pray and learn to use material things or money to entice a muslim. Try to buy a convert

see this #42 I was telling you before about employment


#61Because Muhammad contracted HIV and Gonorrhea, that's why they(muslims) perform ablution to please against it.


#65 Pray for confusion in mosques

and you are telling me about peace, abi?



#67[/b]The spirit of Islam has serious blindness, influences on every practising muslim therefore pray against it.


[b]#69 Renounce the spirit of Allah in muslim life



#19 Pray God should be destroying Islam little by little


#1 Pray for democracy in Saudi Arabia and quick death of King Fahd


#35 Pray for quick destruction of king Fahd's brother so that he does not succeed the king


#16Pray that God grant you power to fight effectively. Remember the battle is not yours but the Lord.


#15 Pray that by year 2000, Nigeria will be dominated by christians ****



These are just few amongst others. So tell me how these trash relate to Jesus and peace you claimed he brought to the world?. Abeg, keep your peace with you. I will not be corrupted by your "peace".

I think you are 3 years old.

Her sense of entitlement is mind boggling! She seems to think that because "she needs that money" the dude is obligated to give it to her!

Maximus69:
Jesus' teachings causes division amongst people but at the same time those who accept his teachings have peace amongst themselves, that's the practical application of what i quoted.
So it's only JWs that i know whose teachings causes division as you've rightly said, but amongst those who adhere to the teaching there is Peace!

I think "Jesus teachings" causes divisions amongst people who are not following "Jesus' teachings". Even if people disagree with each other, they can still break bread together, as you and I are doing despite the differences between us.

I placed Jesus teachings in "" because such teachings are taught by others too. In fact, finding them in Islam, Buddhism, and many other teachings is what makes me refer to the Bible and the Quran so much.

Below are older than Jesus sources for the same teaching.

"Do not return evil to your adversary; Requite with kindness the one who does evil to you, Maintain justice for your enemy."
The Akkadian "Counsels of Wisdom", circa 2000 BC.

"In this world hate never yet dispelled hate. Only love dispels hate. This is the law, ancient and inexhaustible."
Buddhist "Dhammapada, circa 500 BC.

"Return love for hatred. Otherwise, when a great hatred is reconciled, some of it will surely remain. How can this end in goodness? "
Taoist "T'ai Shang Kan Ying P'ien", circa 200 BC.

As Christ said, "those who live on bread alone will become malnourished".

Maximus69:
Fully understood Ma!

You humble me, as in, you make me feel humble.

Maximus69:
I don't understand what you mean by the underlined but i can remember a Nazarene who was called the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} but said "i came to cause DIVISION" Matthew 10:34-39

If you followed the link that you removed, you might understand.

That Nazarene was pretty big on people first removing forests from their own eyes, if you remember.

Christ causing division refers to the division in one's own mind as we attempt to resolve the reflections we saw as in a mirror with what we now might fully comprehend.

You too would have experienced this division as you converted from Islam to JW.

C.f Corinthians 13, and Paul seeing the light.

sassysure:
So you will allow your children to go and hawk?

As you can see if you followed the link, I hawked, and the experience has taught me to invest and save so my children do not have to go through what I went through. My own parents did not exactly "allow" me to hawk. My own needs - the desire to buy novels to read - and my parents limited resources (there were five of us, 4 needing bras and pads), made me find hawking as a solution to my needs. I began with oranges at 9 years old. But if the choice were between them hawking or starving, yes, I would allow my children to go and hawk. It is after all better than them stealing or begging.

Empiree:
Please you need to re-read my posts.

Sorry, but I do not need to re-read your posts since they ignorantly promote what Allah opposes.

budaatum:
"Making PEACE reign amongst themselves", is not God's light, Max.

I'm currently dealing with one who thinks he's in the light while promoting enmity and division, but one does not judge a religion by the ignorant bad fruits of a few of its adherents since many yell "Lord Lord" but gnash their teeth because they have not read the book or do not understand what they read.

Below are verses from the Quran that teach precisely what [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%205%3A43-48&version=NIV]Matthew 5:43-48[/url] teaches.

“And good and evil deeds are not alike. Repel evil with good. And he who is your enemy will become your dearest friend.” Surah 41:34

. . . Do not say to one who offers you peace, “You are not a believer,” seeking the spoils of this life. For God has abundant treasure. You used to be like them, after all, and then God blessed you. Surah 4:94

God's light is when we make peace with our enemies, and those who think God is enmity and division are in the dark.

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Maximus69:
@bolded!

Let them prove they're the light by making PEACE reign amongst themselves nah!

"Making PEACE reign amongst themselves", is not God's light, Max.

I'm currently dealing with one who thinks he's in the light while promoting enmity and division, but one does not judge a religion by the ignorant bad fruits of a few of its adherents since many yell "Lord Lord" but gnash their teeth because they have not read the book or do not understand what they read.

Below are verses from the Quran that teach precisely what [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%205%3A43-48&version=NIV]Matthew 5:43-48[/url] teaches.

“And good and evil deeds are not alike. Repel evil with good. And he who is your enemy will become your dearest friend.” Surah 41:34

. . . Do not say to one who offers you peace, “You are not a believer,” seeking the spoils of this life. For God has abundant treasure. You used to be like them, after all, and then God blessed you. Surah 4:94

God's light is when we make peace with our enemies, and those who think God is enmity and division are in the dark.

Maximus69:
The bolded is exactly what i narrated in my comment about fulfilled promises.

I was a Muslim when i saw the light far of in the midst of JWs!

Some would say there is light in Islam and you were just blind. Some would even say you still haven't seen the light or you'd not be a JW.

Fact is, no one can show anyone the light unless one opens one's own eyes to see the light, so why would anyone go about telling blind people to "see God" that they can not possibly see unless they first become as little children and allow Christ to opens their eyes?

Empiree:
Wikipedia?. My guy, seriously?. I said they have no evidence from their religious Holy text but you showed wikipedia as a proof. Okay, how about Abuja national church built by Obj at the expense of nigeria economy?

You want to tell me there is no Abuja national mosque? Or is it just that you are used to discussing with ignorant people like you?

Fact remains that Christians have been going on pilgrimage long before Mohammed was born and long before the Bible arrived in Nigeria. It is however not the duty of the Federal Government of Nigeria to send anyone on a religious holiday, but if they must, then they must be equitable about it and not just favor some because someone wrote it into their holy book.

Empiree:
Rubbish. Address the manifesto written by your pastors and stop perambulating, sir.

They are not my pastors, to start with, and any idiot can make any claims they want to. It's that freedom to say what one wishes to say that one should fight for Jamiu Adegunwa chief lecturer of Risalatul Haq Dawah International, and Yusuf Adepoju Chief lecturer of ACADIP International to have, mindful of shouting fire where there's no smoke or plain lying least fools like you run with it claiming some people want to convert you to their own religion.

Fact remains that no one, neither Christain nor Muslim, has the power to impose any religion on Nigeria, or on you, I would have thought. If the Christian and Muslims don't oppose it, I'm certain the atheists and indigenous god worshippers would protect you.

Maximus69:
You're just too much in a hurry to conclude, there are thousands of ways to prove that air exists. You can just remove the air in a plastic bottle and see what happens to it, poke a balloon, puncture a tire, keep a shiny iron nail in the open air and so on.

The only way to prove the existence of God is what he is doing in the midst of mankind. There are perfect natural laws that's keeping us alive on this planet, even when we pour dirty things into the sea the phytoplankton is there to clean our waters, dead and routine things are good to vultures and so many other things like that. But some people may say "that is not enough evidence to prove the existence of a Supreme Being" so what about his promises?

Yet unfulfilled promises

©Make the earth a Paradise.
©All animals will eat straw, no more carnivores.
©No more infirmities, sickness
©No more death.
©No more Crime.
©No more growing old everyone will live as youths forever.
©No more oppresive governments.
©No more natural disasters.
©No more pain.

Fulfilling promises
©Rebellious humans will continue to hate and kill one another but his worshipers will live as brothers.
©His worshipers will stop planning wars, rather they will continue to preach PEACE.
©His worshipers will maintain the same line of thought when others will find hard it to agree on anything.
©His worshipers will worship the same way throughout the earth while others are confused over the best form of worship.
©His worshipers will be hated for not participating in the ongoing racism that's claiming lives.
©His worshipers will continue preaching and teaching while others will be pursuing material possessions.
©His worshipers will be totally different in terms of teachings and doctrines.

What majority of atheists are agitating for is the unfulfilled promises but faithful ones are paying rapt attention to the fulfilling promises!

You are merely attempting to use anecdotal evidence to prove the existence of God, and atheists are more than wise to gobble that up.

Fact is, it is not for anyone to prove God exists, and any attempt to do so would make one commit the sin of image creation so God can be seen to exist by the atheists. Unfortunately, it would seem some don't mind sinning against the God they say exists.

When God wishes to prove God's existence, God knows well what and how to go about it. And if any reader of the bible wishes to take on that responsibility, they should perhaps see how Christ told them to go about it in Matthew 5:16.

sassysure:
Children contributed somehow
Let me clean my eyes well and read again

When I thought I have seen it all in this forum

There must not be windows in you house, or you close your eyes when you go outside, or your eyes really do need cleaning, or you limit yourself to this forum. If not, you'd have asked yourself what the children hawking on your street were hawking for!

Clean your eyes and read about the experience of those who are not as privileged as some.

Empiree:
Guy, I have not delved into whether it was appropriate for govt to fund pilgrimage or not. Bone of contention is clear in my post. Address that. This is not about whether govt should or should not.

What you are asking me to address is your ignorance, which means I should educate you despite your unwillingness to learn!

Christians pilgrimaging to Jerusalem, dates back centuries before Mohammed or Islam, but why should government pay some people to go on holiday to worship their god and not pay others? Can you not see how some may see that as promoting one religion over another? I bet you would though, if they only paid Christians to go on pilgrimage. You'd probably provide it here as evidence of CAN Christianising Nigeria!

Empiree:
it is still there or not?. What they wrote in their manifesto is still being fullfiled by them until today. This thread is a proof of that.

So, if I go and dig up a thread about Uthman Dan Fodio dipping the Quran in the sea, you would accept it as evidence of Islamisation of Nigeria by Muslims, would you? Or would you claim Uthman Dan Fodio did not have a manifesto?

Empiree:
no no buddy. You didn't learn their past. CHRISTIANs destroyed Nigeria economy because of jealousy for Islam and Muslims. Example is Hajj. We have evidence for Holy pilgrimage to Mecca but christianity doesn't have evidence to make pilgrimage to Jerusalem. So they coerced give to fund their pilgrimage to Jerusalem too.

Now read these attachments

Why should government pay for you to go worship your god, be it the Christian one or that of Muslims? Does pilgrimage improve you nation in any way? Wouldn't a more sensible person ask that that money be spent on education instead of sending the priviledged on a vacation?

Empiree:
did you read the attached documents months ago or not?. If you did, what is it I have to prove or justify to you?.

Front page of their MANIFESTO mentioned says Redeemed Christian Church and Deeper Life. At the time in the 70s, 80s and 90s there were fewer churches and only handful were members of CAN.

So, you recognise that "only a few were members of CAN" but think as their members grew they would have adopted whatever manifesto Redeemed Christian Church and Deeper Life wrote?

Are you even aware that those two churches you mention were a tiny wing of Christians in the 70s and 80s, and that the Baptists, Catholics, Methodists, Anglicans, all had more members at that time?

Christians are not "responsible for downfall of Nigeria today", and neither are Muslims, for that matter. What is responsible for whatever you call "Nigerians downfall" is the stupidity and ignorance of the type you show here that allows some Muslims and some Christians to be pitted against one another, and in my opinion such people neither follow the teachings of Jesus nor Mohammed and are not Christians nor Muslims.

coputa:
Are children not investment.

Yes they are, to some, and you'd see I mentioned them, though I'd classify them more as a liability, unless he turns them into a resource or sells them to pay his rent.

coputa:
The man worked tirelessly for his family,by providing for them,is that not sowing,must he run other investment,remember,it's not everybody that knows how to invest

Everybody knows how to invest! Some just invest in unproductive things or in the wrong way!

The individual you describe invested in having a wife and children with no regard that a proverbial seven years of famine might follow his seven years of plenty! But even if he did not know how to invest properly, he could have saved! His wife could have worked! Even his children could have contributed somehow! And if he really wants to get out from the "middle of the devil and the deep blue sea" he now finds himself in, he better sow new thoughts. His current one's are proving to be unfruitful.

Empiree:
HYPOCRITE

I'd have asked you to justify your allegation but seeing how you reason, I doubt I'd bother.

coputa:
lol,@juliusmomoh,no,God don carry us pass this stage o. these are things we see around our immediate environment,and i decided to share it for people to learn.

God don carry you pass this stage? I put it to you that manna did not fall from heaven for you!

Is it not more true that God fertilised what you sowed and if you had sowed nothing God wouldn't have had anything to fertilise for you so you pass this stage?

I happen to think life is very fair. The person you describe sowed no savings nor investments, and he sowed children with a wife who just sits at home sowing nothing, and they are now reaping exactly what they sowed (or didn't sow, to be precise).

They should both change the nothing crop they sow, and even this shall pass away.

Empiree:
"don't mind him"? Why are you guys so hypocritical?.

You left your comment on this thread before saying that you couldn't believe CAN could write such manifesto and I showed you proof. You read it yourself and now denied it again. Tell me who champions CAN?.

Stop lying! What you posted is not CAN Manifesto! It is the championing of some local wing of CAN, at best, and the equivalent of someone claiming boko haram represents Islam because one Imam or Mosques says so.

As you yourself can ascertain here, there are many voices in Islam just as there are many voices in Christianity, and claiming one group's voice represents all is an attempt to foster enmity or just a refusal to use one's brain!

Maximus69:
No atheist can deny the existence of air, WHY? Because everyone is seeing the effect of air.

So to prove before anyone that something or someone that's invisible like the air exists, you must at least show the visible effect of such an entity.

Theoretically, anyone can deny the existence of air. And all one has to do to prove air exists is remove that air they claim does not exist from a room they are in and time how long it takes for them to change their minds.

Has anyone got a similar experiment to prove God exists to God existence deniers?

I guess he never equipped hospitals neither so had nowhere to go and get fixed.

sapientia:
That cannot be CAN manifesto na

Did you not check the second page?

This papers he dropped might be older than CAN

I wonder why he is busy abusing CAN for what can easily be his productions.

Don't mind him. They are mere pawns in a bigger game but know it not.

http://canng.org/images/docs/can-constitution.pdf

LordReed:
So far so good. Really hoping that with lockdowns being loosened it won't change for the worst.

Glad to hear you good. Seems lifting of lockdown will reintroduce corona but the plan is to keep it off the news so deaths are not noticed.

wirinet:
Do we believe by faith or by sight? Where is the proof of Trump preaching from the Bible.

I think it might depend on the sort of person one is and how well one understands one's Bible.

Jesus, for some reason, is written to have gone about opening peoples' eyes, and I do not think he did that so they are not used, but if I wanted to make you my sheep, it sure would be easier if I blinded you first.

That said, check Trump Chapter 1 Verse 1 that says something about pussy grabbing. Chaper 2 is about getting away with murder on a New York Street, though I think he meant he could get away killing America in general, and the coming election is to see if what he said is true.


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