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oaroloye:
I AM THE ONLY CHRISTIAN ON NAIRALAND WHO PREACHES THAT CHRISTIANITY IS FOLLOWING THE TEACHINGS OF THE ONE POPULARLY CALLED CHRIST- AND NOT FOLLOWING THE TEACHINGS OF THE SO-CALLED APOSTLES, AND OTHER THEORISTS.

No other Christian stands with me.

fortran12:
So sahih sources are just a single source? I will quote one for this story now.i know it's in sahih bukahari. Will get the reference


Narrated Anas: The Prophet set out for Khaibar and reached it at night. He used not to attack if he reached the people at night, till the day broke. So, when the day dawned, the Jews came out with their bags and spades. When they saw the Prophet; they said, "Muhammad and his army!" The Prophet said, Allahu--Akbar! (Allah is Greater) and Khaibar is ruined, for whenever we approach a nation (i.e. enemy to fight) then it will be a miserable morning for those who have been warned."

Sahih Bukhari 4:52:195

FrLukas:
I just asked you a simple question that requires a yes or no answer but you're throwing Bible verses at me bro.

I haven't read the Qur'an, so I'm just asking for clarification, that's all. It's not a trap.

einsteine:
You are being emotional and defensive.

einsteine:
Boko Haram's version of Islam says they should spread Islam by force and violence. Are you happy with that instead?

einsteine:
In the Bible, God commanded Saul to eliminate an entire race of people, was Saul a murderer? The simple truth is Boko Haram follow Islam (as believed by them). Whether or not their Islam is true or not is not part of the discourse.

einsteine:
The lack of acceptance of this would continue to be a problem for Muslims. I have run out of count of the number of Muslim groups who carry out terrorist attacks. So tell me why are there so many groups carrying out murder and mayhem while attempting to spread Islam by fiat? Why not say, Bahiasm or Hinduism or Sikhism or Christianity?

einsteine:
. Who are we to believe? You or our own eyes?

fortran12:
Seems you dont know your own Islamic history. The way he attacked Kybar was to make them acknowledge Allah as God and him as Allah's messenger. All these are found in your Islamic books, hadiths and tafsil

fortran12:
They are replicating the prophet and his military campaigns. All these are not foreign to Islam. The prophet propagated Islam this way too.

Oshokalo:
So tell me why didnt they decide to use jesus instead,why is that the whole terrorist in the world from isis,alqaeda,al shabab,iswap decide the islam path
Its simply because they have this war thing in them from its creation ask ur imam what is jihad
Its a holy war fought against unbeliver,infedel in other to kill the unrepetant or capture the repentant

fortran12:
Its a sect of Islam that follows the words of "the prophet" stricter than the rest of the other Muslims

ambitiouschap:
i agree with you on this, I just kind of feel like his not worthy of the reply

cooltola:
So you are an agnostic. Arresting an individual for their religious belief is a basic violation of human rights which is terrorism itself. Every religion have some bad eggs does not mean the whole religion is bad. The same way we have some very law binding atheist is the same way we have some atheist who do not have respect human rights. Arresting a person based on their religion belief or their nonbelief is a basic human rights violation and should not be encourage. The most human things is to let people be and never force anyone to accept a belief or nonbelief

ambitiouschap:
leave the idiot alone

einsteine:
Your examples are out of place.

Can we say the Catholic church who killed women for purportedly being witches were not Christians?

Boko Haram is the same. They are a Salafist group, just like Al Qaeda and ISIS. To say they are not Muslims is just ridiculous. Why are they not Muslims? When Uthman Dan Fodio started his Jihad, there were Muslims all over Hausa and Kanuri Land, yet his army killed and rampaged and claimed they were instituting Islam. Should we then say Uthman Dan Fodio was not a Muslim because his army killed people?

If Boko Haram ( hopefully not) successfully conquer the entire Nigeria, would they not institute an Islamic government with strict Sharia rules? Is that not what ISIS does?

In a nut shell, Boko Haram are Muslims. QED.

obatan:
Shut the Bleep up.

Tamaratonye1:
Didn't you see the sign? "Check Your Faith At The Front Door"

Your posts would be a lot less juvenile and your responses much more thought out had you simply followed the directions.

GGirll:
Pls stop quoting n claiming what you don't know just quote your Koran that stated clearly for you guys to kill n destroy unbelievers you termed infidels. Thor doesn't share d same faith with you....like it or not Islam is not a religion of peace.

FrLukas:
I see what you are saying.

Isn't there a portion of the Qur'an where the prophet instructed his followers to kill non believers so that by that means they can gain heaven?

“Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say: My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please” (Isaiah 46:9-10).

“Who can fathom the Spirit of the LORD, or instruct the LORD as his counselor? Whom did the LORD consult to enlighten him, and who taught him the right way? Who was it that taught him knowledge, or showed him the path of understanding?” (Isaiah 40:13-14).

“Before a word is on my tongue you know it completely, O LORD” (Psalm 139:4).

“O LORD, you have searched me and you know me. You know when I sit and when I rise; you perceive my thoughts from afar. You discern my going out and my lying down; you are familiar with all my ways” (Psalm 139:1-3).

“My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place, when I was woven together in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be. How precious to me are your thoughts, God! How vast is the sum of them! Were I to count them, they would outnumber the grains of sand—when I awake, I am still with you” (Psalm 139:15-16).

“Can anyone teach knowledge to God, since he judges even the highest?” (Job 21:22).

“He determines the number of the stars and calls them each by name. Great is our Lord and mighty in power; his understanding has no limit” (Psalm 147:4-5).

“And you, my son Solomon, acknowledge the God of your father, and serve him with wholehearted devotion and with a willing mind, for the LORD searches every heart and understands every desire and every thought. If you seek him, he will be found by you; but if you forsake him, he will reject you forever” (1 Chronicles 28:9).

“Do you know how the clouds hang poised, those wonders of him who has perfect knowledge?” (Job 37:16).

“From heaven the LORD looks down and sees all mankind; from his dwelling place he watches all who live on earth—he who forms the hearts of all, who considers everything they do” (Psalm 33:13-15).

“Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out!” (Romans 11:33).

“Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account” (Hebrews 4:13).

“Indeed, the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Don’t be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows” (Luke 12:7).

“Whenever our hearts condemn us. For God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything” (1 John 3:20).

“Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from the will of your Father. And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered” (Matthew 10:29-30).

cashkid:
Programmed fool

Only God knows what u have there inside ya cranium

Notime4time:
.....have u ever seen a Christian killing and saying praise the Lord.

FrMbaka:
You edited that Wikipedia page before bringing it here, no one trusts Wikipedia.

Kingspin:
Why should they kill Christians in the first place?

There are millions of Mosque to bomb in the North then few Churches. Yet nothing like that do happening.

harryportter:
mumu.get small sense nah.its a smoke screen. Attack a mosque on Sunday? That means they will attack a church on Friday. Lie lie government

einsteine:
They are an Islamist terrorist group.

You don't have a patent or copyright over Islam. You can say their understanding of Islam is wrong but they are Muslims. The identity of people are by what they self-identify as, not what you think of them or want us to think of them.

FrLukas:
The Christian teachings are gotten from the teachings of Jesus Christ who was the founder of Christianity

The old testament is mainly a compendium that recorded a people's history concerning their religious practices, cultural practices, war strategies etc.

That they claim, that God spoke to them to kill such and such doesn't mean that we believe that God actually spoke to them to do such.

It is nothing more than how the people saw themselves and their history.

Note that Christianity has a root in Judaism, same as Islam.

You want to know what Christian teaching is, focus on the 4 Gospels of the New Testament.

Compare Jesus's teachings with that of Mohammed.

Compare Jesus's lifestyle to that of Mohammed.

Both were the founders of the two major religions in the world.

See the difference?

oaroloye:
True Christians do not TEST their FAITH: THEY APPLY IT.

boldaslion:
Shatap, who do you think you are deceiving? Your comment is exactly what you want to achieve and that is what you guys want us to believe. Why on Sunday, why not during the jumat service on Friday? 2 suicide bombers killing only one boy, who is deceiving who?

FrLukas:
Good point.

'cept the fact that the Qur'an actually commands the killing of "infidels" makes the supposed "narrow views" of Boko Haram members the true Islamic view, and moderate Moslems a water down view.

The events of Jones town that you referenced does not in anyway mesh with the teachings of Jesus the Christ, nor his way of life while on earth.

Same cannot be said for radical islam and the prophet that founded Islam.

He conquered territories with the Qur'an in one hand and sword in the other.

He took slaves, and encouraged slavery.

I stand to be corrected.

Tamaratonye1:
And still no answers from you.

You do not have any, empty vessels seem to make the most noise.

Fucking muppet

FrLukas:
No. It is a Christian outfit.

Even your post said narrow ISLAMIC views.