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Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Wisdom? by budaatum(op): 7:01pm On Aug 17, 2019
Maximus69:
@bolded

Is the exact learning of writing and reading but in Christianity we learn by examples that's why it took God's organization {Jehovah's Witnesses} almost 200 years to catch-up with the exact system of worship true Christians used in the first century because there is no one we are seeing to imitate!
I don't think I get you. There was always scripture to read and learn from, which even Jesus did and taught from too, and thousands of books have followed from which to learn from. I've attached one for you.

Those with eyes see the straight line drawn from Moses to Samson to David to the Prophets to Jesus as their examples today.
Christianity Etc › Re: If Jesus Christ Is Seated At The Right Hand Of God, Then He is not God? by budaatum: 6:50pm On Aug 17, 2019
1Sharon:
Ok. But how popular was that belief?? Africans generally were not monotheistic

Before humans became monotheistic we were polythestic, I hope you know that right?
Everyone was polytheistic to begin with, monotheism being an advanced ideology even amongst the Jews. Except we now read a scripture that has been sanitised to remove the other gods. The clue is in God being jealous. If there were no other gods God would have nothing to be jealous of.
Christianity Etc › Re: If Jesus Christ Is Seated At The Right Hand Of God, Then He is not God? by budaatum: 4:35pm On Aug 17, 2019
1Sharon:
African religions don't talk about just 1 God, they talk about multiple gods
Shows how little you know.

An African, Amenhotep IV, initially introduced Atenism (monotheism) in Year 5 of his reign (1348/1346 BCE) during the 18th dynasty of the New Kingdom.
Christianity Etc › Re: If Jesus Christ Is Seated At The Right Hand Of God, Then He is not God? by budaatum: 4:29pm On Aug 17, 2019
Sheunma:
Proverbs 3:5-6 New King James Version (NKJV)

5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart,
And lean not on your own understanding;

6 In all your ways acknowledge Him,
And He shall [a]direct your paths.
This does not mean "do not use your mind and brain". It simply means "seek ye first the Kingdom of God", and God shall direct your path.

God will not give you abilities then tell you not to use them!
Christianity Etc › Re: We Desperately Need A Real Gathering Of True Christians Called Church by budaatum: 4:04pm On Aug 17, 2019
orunto27:
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Pray with all your Heart, with all your Soul, with all your Mind and with all your Strength.
How does one "pray with all your Heart, with all your Soul, with all your Mind and with all your Strength".

Perhaps imagine I were your child. How would you explain the above to me so that at the end I have knowledge and wisdom?
Christianity Etc › Re: The Words Of Jesus Vs The Bible by budaatum: 3:59pm On Aug 17, 2019
OkCornel:
That means the baptism and everything that happened on that fateful day at the river was insignificant and needless?
No! I know you said dont but it most definitely had its significance, which we are trying to work out, to the glory of God.
Christianity Etc › Re: If Jesus Christ Is Seated At The Right Hand Of God, Then He is not God? by budaatum:
Sheunma:
Buda, in christianity you do not reason with your mind and think with your brain. Matter of fact, you dispense completely with your brains and mind and submit your neck to the leach of the holy spirit for guidance and directions at all times.
No! You are in error! Christianity, or shall I say, my own understanding of scripture does not advocate what you have above!

It is in fact written that if God gives me a mind to reason and a brain to think and I refuse to use them as you suggest, even the little that I am given will be taken away from me and I will [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+2%3A41-52&version=NIV]be[/url] "worthless, outside in the darkness weeping and gnashing my teeth."
Christianity Etc › Re: The Words Of Jesus Vs The Bible by budaatum: 3:45pm On Aug 17, 2019
OkCornel:
Are you aware there are milestones in Spiritual growth? Just like physical growth?
With the Holy Spirit, one's development can never stop nor be stunted...provided the person continually obeys the Holy Spirit
Is this not what I'm arguing, as opposed to "instantaneous baptism, dove, gbam"?
Christianity Etc › Re: The Words Of Jesus Vs The Bible by budaatum: 3:43pm On Aug 17, 2019
OkCornel:
Yes He was.
But the question is, can we conclude at that point Jesus was already empowered for His 3.5 year ministry? Absolutely not.
Why, "absolutely not"?

He had a mother who was well read and whom the Lord sent angels too. Should we expect she would have taught him nothing and all his ministry came from a dove at his baptism?
Christianity Etc › Re: The Words Of Jesus Vs The Bible by budaatum: 3:40pm On Aug 17, 2019
OkCornel:
Now Buda, lemme ask... do you think Jesus would have accomplished what He did in the final 3.5 years of His life on earth without that baptism (where the Holy Spirit descended on Jesus) that happened?
I do not know what part the baptism played, specifically, but I do not think all his learning dropped on him like a dove at his baptism.

If he had not learned prior to the 3.5 years he likely would not have known what was written and would have fallen immediately he was tempted.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Words Of Jesus Vs The Bible by budaatum: 3:34pm On Aug 17, 2019
OkCornel:
Look at what I said again. Jesus was empowered by the Holy Spirit "for His 3.5 year ministry" specifically.

You could point out what Jesus did prior to when He was baptized. I am not in doubt Jesus was filled with the Holy Spirit prior to that. But for the purpose of that crucial 3.5 year ministry, that baptism (where the Holy Spirit descended on Him) was necessary for what was to come for the final 3.5 years of His life
So, it is not the case that he was being prepared before the baptism and the dove?

Did he not show he was filled with the Holy Spirit when he [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+2%3A41-52&version=NIV]disputed[/url] with the learned in the temple, after which he continued to grow in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man?
Christianity Etc › Re: If Jesus Christ Is Seated At The Right Hand Of God, Then He is not God? by budaatum: 3:23pm On Aug 17, 2019
bingbagbo:
Yes, your father satan
budaatum:
We forgive you because you know not what you say.
Christianity Etc › Re: We Desperately Need A Real Gathering Of True Christians Called Church by budaatum: 3:21pm On Aug 17, 2019
malvisguy212:
if he did not believed God in the first place , will he pray ? and if he did not pray , will God send the rain ?
I doubt anyone prays if they do not believe in God, though, there are those who hope but do not believe in God. But yes, rain may fall or not whether one prays or not since one has no control over what God does or does not do or upon the weather. It is for this exact reason that we hope our prayers are answered.

Shall one hope to acquire knowledge and wisdom? Is there no guaranteed hard work that one can do to acquire knowledge and wisdom?
Christianity Etc › Re: We Desperately Need A Real Gathering Of True Christians Called Church by budaatum: 3:12pm On Aug 17, 2019
orunto27:
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With This, I concur 'cos God is Wisdom, Knowledge and Understanding. When we pray, God gives them in abundance to Prophets & Apostles.
malvisguy212 has pointed out that some "hard work" needs to be done, and somehow, I do not think 'praying hard' is what is meant.

What does "prayer" mean in this instance, the reward of which is knowledge and wisdom?

How does one "pray" to receive wisdom?
Christianity Etc › Re: We Desperately Need A Real Gathering Of True Christians Called Church by budaatum:
malvisguy212:
Two farmers pray for rainfall, one believed and go ahead to plant crops, while the other is waiting for the rain to start before he start his planting, which of this two show evidence that God has answer his prayer ?
No one plants before rains start unless they plan to irrigate. And farmers are not generally stupid enough to put their crop in the ground unless rains first fall.

The evidence for the answered prayer is the rainfall, and not the belief of the farmers. We farmers know this. As is said, "they who watch the weather will never sow", so we watch time instead. We plant maize when the rains start in March on the offchance that it will continue long enough for our crop to grow and yield a bumper harvest. When the weather favours us, we harvest in May then plant our main crop when rain is more guaranteed to fall. And if it does not favour us our March crop burns in the ground. And to be honest, its hit and miss like betnja. Sometimes we win. Sometime we lose.

Is wisdom acquisition hit and miss too?
Christianity Etc › Re: The Words Of Jesus Vs The Bible by budaatum: 2:46pm On Aug 17, 2019
OkCornel:
As for Jesus, He was empowered for his 3.5 year ministry after that baptism.
You insist without considering. Hear the [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+1%3A46-55&version=NRSV]words[/url] of his well read mother as echoed from [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Samuel+2%3A1-10&version=KJV] Hannah's Prayer[/url].

If he was born of the Holy Spirit why would he only receive it when baptised? Was he not empowered from when he was in his mother's womb?
Christianity Etc › Re: If Jesus Christ Is Seated At The Right Hand Of God, Then He is not God? by budaatum: 2:31pm On Aug 17, 2019
bingbagbo:
Same guy who doesnt believe the bible quoting the bible
Perhaps you should seek understanding instead of doing that which satan does and shudders.

Christianity Etc › Re: If Jesus Christ Is Seated At The Right Hand Of God, Then He is not God? by budaatum: 2:19pm On Aug 17, 2019
bingbagbo:
Keep fooling yourself

Christianity Etc › Re: The Words Of Jesus Vs The Bible by budaatum: 2:18pm On Aug 17, 2019
OkCornel:
Jesus was empowered for his 3.5 years ministry after He was baptized and the Holy Spirit descended on Him in the form of a dove.
Are you sure he did not inherit the Holy Spirit at birth from his mother Mary, whom the Holy Ghost came upon?

Christianity Etc › Re: We Desperately Need A Real Gathering Of True Christians Called Church by budaatum: 1:55pm On Aug 17, 2019
malvisguy212:
have you not known that when you pray to pass your exam, you still need to Read ? the purpose of the prayer is to open your understanding.

the disciples walk with Jesus listen to His teaching YET they did not understand His parables, Jesus had to open there UNDERSTANDING.
Yes, I do know I have to study to pass my exams. In fact, the answer to my prayer to pass my exams is "Go and study!" The message to me from God. So, why did you say all I had to do was "ask God" and "believe" if you now say I must do some hard work?

What "hard work" must one do to have ones "understanding opened by Jesus"?
Christianity Etc › Re: We Desperately Need A Real Gathering Of True Christians Called Church by budaatum: 1:35pm On Aug 17, 2019
malvisguy212:
when I say hard work pay, I mean you don't just pray and relax , you don't just believed , you must prove it that you believe by making a move.
So, one does not get wisdom just by "asking God" and just by "believing", one must do some hard work too?

Please explain the nature of the "hard work" one must do to get wisdom.
Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Wisdom? by budaatum(op):
Maximus69:
Learning doesn't just implies serving as an apprentice, it connotes taking note of how they do things and imitating them! Hebrews 13:7 compared to 2Timothy 3:15
"Taking note of how they do things and imitating them" is precisely the meaning of serving as an apprentice, and is a form of learning, though there are other ways to learn, like studying what learned people have written.
Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Wisdom? by budaatum(op): 1:17pm On Aug 17, 2019
Maximus69:
It simply means carefully watching and examining the activities of wise persons {Deuteronomy 6:6-7} so if those close to you are worshippers of the true God and you refuse to learn about wisdom through their day to day activities, that's unwise on your part! 1Corinthians 15:13

That's why we try to make close friends with only the worshippers of Jehovah! Psalms 1:1-3
So, serve an apprenticeship? Learn from others?
Christianity Etc › Re: If Jesus Christ Is Seated At The Right Hand Of God, Then He is not God? by budaatum: 1:04pm On Aug 17, 2019
bingbagbo:
Another Anti-Christ
That, indeed is what they call those who use their God given brain. In Jesus time, [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+12%3A22-32%2CLuke+11%3A14-23&version=NOG]you[/url] would say there are demons in us.

We forgive you because you know not what you say.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Wisdom? by budaatum(op): 12:47pm On Aug 17, 2019
Maximus69:
You can only acquire wisdom by walking with wise persons! Proverbs 13:20
I take it that by "walking", you mean "learning"?
Christianity Etc › Re: If Jesus Christ Is Seated At The Right Hand Of God, Then He is not God? by budaatum: 12:31pm On Aug 17, 2019
I hope this continues to come up until the mystery is revealed. All through the Gospels, Jesus never said he was God. We actually admire him for his humility in not making such a claim, though, as a Jew, he would never have stupidly disobeyed the first commandment that states how jealous God can be. Yet, today, we appear to have unquestionably bought into the idea that Jesus is God and at the same time not questioning whether we have broken the second commandment.

It is indeed a sign of immaturity to not reason with ones mind and think with ones brain, but we surely grow and will one day understand what exactly is meant when it is said that "Jesus is the Word".
Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist/irreligious Men Tell The Truth.... by budaatum: 12:15pm On Aug 17, 2019
NLmember:
Lol grin

Sometimes you just know some things based on life experiences
johnydon22:
And your life experience is an objective paremeter to make a general conclusion.

Is that how it works?
Reminds me of when I use to have an imaginary million pounds in my bank account with which I intended to buy a spanking brand new red Ferrari, except I could never find a Ferrari salesperson who would accept my million pounds.

Don't worry Johny. Reality is one of those things that experience eventually reveals.
Christianity Etc › Re: We Desperately Need A Real Gathering Of True Christians Called Church by budaatum: 11:51am On Aug 17, 2019
malvisguy212:
or are you doubting God cannot do it ?
FYI Hard work pay.
Doubt that God will drop wisdom on someones head just because they ask?

Please explain what hard work has to do with it?
Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Wisdom? by budaatum(op): 10:45am On Aug 17, 2019
How does one get Wisdom?
Christianity Etc › Re: We Desperately Need A Real Gathering Of True Christians Called Church by budaatum: 10:42am On Aug 17, 2019
malvisguy212:
you don't need to do something, Just BELIEVED.
One gets knowledge and wisdom from God by just "believing"? Interesting!
Politics › Re: EFCC Begins To Probe Obasanjo by budaatum: 6:45pm On Aug 16, 2019
Charmingrascal:
Whoever becomes the President after PMB should also probe him if he is found wanting.
Probe him more than anyone before him too. If my sai bubu is dirty, his punishment must be greater than anyone elses ever.

There is only one pity however. APC will not probe him and PDP can't probe him, unless EFCC is totally independent.
Politics › Re: British court orders Irish firm to seize $9b Nigeria’s foreign reserves by budaatum: 6:31pm On Aug 16, 2019
12inchess:
How will judgment done by British in favor of Irish be our business. Make dem come seize the assets naaa. That is how this woman what is her name again Minister of finance okonjo iweala was doing debt forgiveness with those debtors Paris Bank. I no know why she was donating our money to Paris club. If we no Wan pay back nko.Are we the only onigbese country? Even u.s owes China money.
They do not have to seize your assets in Nigeria as you have way more than enough abroad to cover it.

Please learn a bit about Argentina and its constant defaults. You'd be surprised to learn Naija is doing well compared.

The Argentine Peso used to be par with the dollar and is now worth just 1.7 cents, having lost 68% of its value against the U.S. dollar in the last year and a half.

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