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When people accuse Trump of Nationalism, they mean an extreme form of patriotism marked by a feeling of superiority over other countries.

Can't say I can point to any evidence of extreme patriotism on Trumps part myself, despite his tariffs and wall, which may seem extreme to some. Time, I guess, will tell.

ivysunday:
Buddha Sakyamuni said that all humans are equal, and we are future buddha. If you know the origin of human beings and the transmigration of Life, you will know you can be celestial being someday if you like.

Translation into Christianese

Know that ye are gods!

MuttleyLaff:
Too many books to read and catch up with

I see it your way, but you're unable to see it the bible designated way
You're religiously have a strong feeling of dislike for using the capital letter G in the designated God word.

... by the way, like I told a fellow poster, the other day,
I am a buddha right now, increasingly knowing more by the day and not a future buddha
Hover or Click here to see more
Being and/or becoming a buddha, a knower, can be now and doesnt have to be in the future sense.

I do see your way, mutt, and to be honest, moreso than you give me credit for, to the point that I think you lie when you say I don't! It's just not my way.

And I have no problem with a capital letter G god, except I could hardly be saying God when what I'm saying applies to all gods. Here is an example!

Would love to hear how you're getting on with Buddhism. What you reading on it?

HappyPagan:
Ah, what's it about?

It's title says it all really. It was written after the first world war, a period when Europe was transitioning from the 18 Century to the 19 with a completely new outlook. He analyses the psychological tendencies prevalent at the time, the abandonment of religion and the realisation of the turmoil ahead which culminated in the second world war.

Today, by the war, is the 100^th year celebration of the end of the first world war. They said, "never again", and it was "again" a few years later.

Here's a link to a [url=https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://the-eye.eu/public/concen.org/Princeton%2520Jung/10%2520Civilization%2520in%2520Transition%2520%2520%2528Collected%2520Works%2520of%2520C.%2520G.%2520Jung%252C%2520Volume%252010%2529.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjc4b6wss3eAhXoIsAKHfhMDVkQFjAIegQICRAB&usg=AOvVaw0_tCWetTrubM7BVw35aojo]pdf[/url]. It's worth a flick through.

MuttleyLaff:
I have Civilization in Transition, Volume 10 of the Collected Works of C.G.Jung

You do!? Read it? A very interesting book. Read any others of his?

MuttleyLaff:
You intelligently argue and intelligently discuss
but I rather you do the latter with me as opposed the former, because the former is about exchange of ignorance(s) whilst the latter is about sharing knowledge

It's difficult, muttley, especially when you get stuck on the size of a letter 'g'.

Funny. I wonder if it's a crime to insult Jesus in Austria!

Been reading Civilization in Transition, Volume 10 of the Collected Works of C.G.Jung, and trying not to argue with MuttleyLaff.

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blueAgent:
I don't know ,so why are you defending Catholics?

I am not defending anyone, but simply reasoning. You will find me doing the same about even God when the need arises. It is called "reasoning", or, allowing the Holy Spirit to fill the mind, to use the language of Christianity.

Do note that there is a particular sin called "Thank you Lord that I am not like the tax collector over there". And there is a lesson called "Jesus, that man over there is not one of us yet he heals in your name"! You might want to better accustomise yourself with both.

MuttleyLaff:
I admire your admission of the limit of your knowledge.
Perhaps, as regards to the existence of God, there is a limit of your knowledge you're Ok with to admit too.
It's astonishing, here is you being one not to fill in ignorance with things cooked up in the head
and one who doesnt claim to know it all but yet is adamant God doesnt exist

While you appear to be asking me questions, you are actually trying to lead me to answers that you would rather I give it would seem! Are you sure that you really think I am as intelligent as you claimed I was?

The limits of my knowledge do not extend to gods, muttley! I have stated that rather clearly and unequivocally with no doubt. It does not have to please you, nor do you have to accept it, just know that is buda's view and move on, if you can.

MuttleyLaff:
You see, your unawareness didnt mean the ability to acquire, apply and develop knowledge wasnt existing before you became aware of it.
Same applies to the existence of God budaatum.

Do you not see that you are comparing skills that we agree that buda has with a god we both have different opinions about its existence?

To begin with, there is clear unrefutably evidence that buda exists, and I do have evidence for how buda came about, both of which do not exist where gods are concerned!

MuttleyLaff:
Remember you ended the entire inverted commas with "... without regard to evidence"

You are so sure of non existence God
You easily cook up in your head that there is no God
You fill in your ignorance of God with things cooked up in your head that God doesnt exist

Go read again. You seem to have not quite got my meaning. I never said I am ignorant about gods. I've done far too much research into the topic to make such a claim. However, if you claim I cooked it up in my head, I would not argue the point with you. I'd just accept that that is your opinion, and let it be. Note that I also refused to provide my research to joseph.

MuttleyLaff:
2 years, 2 months, and 19 days yeah?
You got more jokes?

To be exact. I lost my cot at this point in my existence.

MuttleyLaff:
Let's break it very very down
Your first pee, your first cry, your first yawn, your first body stretch, your first sleep, your first smile etcetera who implanted those abilities?

See the link "how buda came about", above.

MuttleyLaff:
Let's stick with the bible way and using the bible designations first.
When done, we can afterwards do it your way, if you're still interested

No can do! You don't get to dictate the words that I choose to use. You are free to be disinterested at this point.

MuttleyLaff:
You're intelligently arguing that God doesnt exist and at least is irrelevant.

No! I am not arguing that God does not exist. I am categorically stating that God, and all other gods, do not exist as far as I am concerned, and you are trying to get me to argue with you, but I am trying with all my might not to! It seems relevant to you, and I'd bear this in mind.

MuttleyLaff:
1/ Dont know that God is Christ, and Christ is God?

Christ is not God! There are threads on the subject, please go read views. You yourself have commented on the subject!

MuttleyLaff:
2/ Please tell, how Yahweh God is graven

Yahweh is a mythical creation of the authors of the Bible. While Christ possibly existed and was deified as a god. God, Yahweh, is the deification of a figment of the imagination.

MuttleyLaff:
3/ Dont you know that God is a Spirit, and you can not ordinarily see God with physical eyes?

I am an atheist, muttley. You might as well claim I can't see unicorns until I fill my eyes with corn and sound equally as silly, as far as I am concerned.

MuttleyLaff:
4/ You're opaqued to ample evidences for/of God, arent you?

Opaque to ample evidence that doesn't exist of what does not exist? Ok, if you think so. I shall take it as a compliment. In fact. Thank you.

MuttleyLaff:
Please explain in toto, the intricacies of one being a god, according to how Jesus, in John 10:34, re-echoed what, David, in the spirit mentioned in Psalm 82:6
John 10:34-37 has the full gist

No, muttley, I shall not explain this any further at this point in time because I think it is way above your level to comprehend if I tried since you're so stuck on the size of a 'g'! We shall arrive back at it some day though.

computergeek:
An atheist feels that no wise, learned, educated person should believe in the existence of a Supreme Being, because everything has a scientific and visible explanation.

This is not true! Many atheists would tell you they have met many "wise, learned, educated" people who believe in gods!

computergeek:
An atheist believes, that his anti-God beliefs definitely make him seem way more sophisticated and intelligent than those hogwash-believing Christians, with their uncountable laws and rules and sins and this and that, when they can just love and give and be good to one another.

This is also not true! Many atheists would tell you they have met many atheists who are unsophisticated and unintelligent and outright stupid!

MuttleyLaff:
Jesus, in John 10:34, re-echoed what, David, in the spirit mentioned in Psalm 82:6
so what exactly was ccoked in the heads of others too
and what is it, that most dont seem to comprehend?

Most do not comprehend that they are gods, muttley, and everything shall be done to ensure they never do know least they reach out and pluck of the fruits of the tree of life and live forever as Christ appears to have done.

For the extent to which those referred to as Gen 3:5 God shall make sure this comprehension never happens, please read up on what was done to the one I claim knew. The current understanding is what is cooked up in the head by Gen 3:5, and the better more accurate version is being cooked in the head in John by he who came to free one from the Gen 3:5 cooking.

MuttleyLaff:
You're kicking off target.
Have you paid anyone for the inherent ability, the inborn ability?

We agreed that the inherent ability to learn is something all humans have, and that's the limit of my knowledge. I am not one to fill in ignorance with things cooked up in the head! Nor do I claim to know it all.

MuttleyLaff:
Pardon my choice of word
So from or at what age did you start to know you have the ability to acquire, apply and develop knowledge then?

I became aware at seven years old after ma beat reading into me.

MuttleyLaff:
"It may very well be a figment of your imagination that buda is intelligent,
but from what I know of you, I am inclined to accept your observation that it most likely isn't a figment of your imagination.
Do not hesitate to let me know if you have observed buda wrongly please, in the figmentation of your imagination perhaps, without regard to evidence"
- budaatum at 5:00am

You earlier, didnt need corroborating evidence to support what I say I observe about you, but now changing tune, you fascinatingly do.
Interesting.

You are being disingenuous! There is corroborating evidence, some which you even provided, which allows me to be inclined to take your word for it in this case, and none for the case for God or gods. Besides, you know from experience that the above does not imply that I take your word for it all the time!

MuttleyLaff:
Before learning, what brought on the ability and/or where did the ability come from?
What's the brain behind this ability phenomenon?

I repeat: We agreed that the inherent ability is something all humans have, and that's the limit of my knowledge. I am not one to fill in my ignorance with things cooked up in the head! Nor do I claim to know it all.

MuttleyLaff:
What instilled the learning desire?
Who injected it, where did learning quest come from?

First, I became aware of pa hallowed by a lamp with his head stuck in what I latter understood were books. I cannot say how old I was at the time, but my observation was made from inside my cot which I lost use of at exactly 2 years, 2 months, and 19 days into my existence. So let's say by 3 years old.

Ma beating the contents of a book into me at age 7, made me realise I could learn. Prior to that, I was "a for apple, b for ball, c for cat, dog, elephant, fish, sheep", at which point a three pronged koboko landed on my head followed by "is that sheep"? With finger pointing to what seemed to me to be a sheep, since where I was coming from goats did not exist. It was at point of koboko landing on my head a few more times and tears streaming down my face that I was eventually clued in to the fact that those squiggly things under the picture were relevant, and after a few more landings of the koboko I could read.

MuttleyLaff:
Be sincere now and stick to how they are used in the bible. Genesis 3:5, used God, and gods, is used in Psalm 82:6 or John 10:34

I am being very sincere! The use in the Bible does not convey my understanding! You are not God Yahweh, which does not exist, or at least, is irrelevant, as far as I am concerned. And Christ taught me this when he surrogates you whom I see for some god, Yahweh God, to be specific, an idol and graven image that is claimed to be in heaven, both of which I see not and have no evidence for.

One is a god, if one realises one is one, which I chose to do. I may not bow down and worship you, god Muttley, since I am bade not to create and bow down to graven images and idols, but hopefully the regard and respect I show you, if I so happen to show any, suffices.

Please get the meaning of what I say, instead of trying to make me say what you want me to mean.

Sorry vaxx, that I seem to be pointing out errors in your reasoning, especially knowing they are likely to rub you up the wrong way. I am just incapable of ignoring.

vaxx:
I said you are lying as there are probable evidence(i.e)physical universe is enough evidence because that is what we have as consensus reality, we both can see it and can scientifically scrutinise it.

First, "probable evidence" is not evidence. And there is no consensus that the physical universe is evidence for gods. If there were consensus that it was, we would not be arguing about it.

LordReed:
Please stop being deliberately obtuse. I don't believe a god exists so why should I propose a method to examine that which I don't believe exists? You who claims a god exists should be the one proposing a method by which we can both look at and agree that it would be a good starting point.

Please don't give me stupid shit about subjectivity, please.

Muttley, remember the thread I once proposed titled "What is God?"

It's a buffer that's always hit!

MuttleyLaff:
In the style of Psalm 82:6 or John 10:34, dont you know you are gods?

Yes. Except good cooks like Jesus cook it up in the heads of others too, but most don't seem to comprehend it.

MuttleyLaff:
Have you paid anyone for your intellect, the ability to think, to acquire and apply knowledge?

Yes muttley, I have paid a huge portion of every penny I ever owned and most of my time alive acquiring the ability you mention. My parents started it off by paying for my education, and I continued it by investing in books and learning to reason.

MuttleyLaff:
How are you so sure, I most certainly, most likely would not allow you fly an aeroplane and/or perform open heart surgery?

You just sound way too smart to be that stupid!

MuttleyLaff:
You believe you have the ability to acquire, apply and develop knowledge.

I believe nothing of the sort! I know it as a fact! I afterall have sufficient evidence that I am able to acquire, have acquired, and developed in knowledge over a long period. It would be silly considering, to continue to believe what I know for a fact.

MuttleyLaff:
From what you know of me, do you remain inclined to accept my observation that God exists
and that it most likely isn't a figment of an imagination, without regard to empirical or fantastic evidence

No. I am not inclined to accept your observation that God exists, since I have no corroborating evidence to support what you say you observe. The best I can do is say, you say so.

MuttleyLaff:
You didnt give a valid answer though
All the work you claim to have done, is product of your ability,
and is not the source of your ability
Kini orisun agbara, agbari ati abinibi yi gbogbo, ti oun demonstrate kaakiri?
Where's the ability from, who and/or what gave you the ability?

I still insist that the ability is developed through learning. I did start from "googoo gaga" at age 0, you know!

MuttleyLaff:
Let me rephrase the question
Are you 100% certain of the origination source of your ability to acquire, apply and develop knowledge?
Whats behind your ability to acquire, apply and develop knowledge?

Learning, muttley. You can state this question however you like and I'd still give you the same answer, I think.

MuttleyLaff:
Please dont go off the wrong foot.
Very importantly recognise that, Genesis used "God", whilst Psalm and John, used "gods"

We have done this before, and I asked you to know that my choice is intentional and that I never mistake the two. I mean 'god' here as that's exactly what I mean despite how they appear in the texts.

MuttleyLaff:
Gen 3:5 didnt say that inverted commas comment
What kind of bible is that read and deduced from?

The bav, buda authorised version. A translation based on buda's understanding. No copies available, I'm afraid.

vaxx:
Science can only falsify things that objectively have the same properties to any observer (with all other things constant).as i made mention earlier

Wrong! The girl in the video does not seem to have anything resembling "same properties to any observer", yet you claim her assertion is false, and that she is deluded, and on drugs - and specifically because her properties do not correspond to those observed by you!

The fact that someone is being subjective has no relevance to truth that is objective. When a tree falls in a forest, it falls, whether seen or not. And there is no way that I could possibly convince a Ferrari salesperson to give me a spanking brand new red Ferrari in exchange for the imaginary million pounds in my bank account, yet, at least. One can cook up anything in one's own head and call it truth, but if the observables do not correspond to the cooked up, deluded, is the right response.

Do note however, that since we can't seem to agree on what the properties of gods are, we cannot objectively prove whether gods exist or not, so we cook up things in our heads and call it 'objective truth', falsely.

Luke 7:1-10

"Move, Your Toes!"
Two years ago whilst buda was in Nigeria working on buda's farm, buda fell ill and went to a doctor who sent buda for an xray to buda's spine. "buda", doctor said after reviewing the results of the below average xray image, "from what I see here, in order to diagnose your illness, I am going to have to send you for a Magnetic resonance imaging (Mri) scan in Lagos or Abuja which costs at least 80k, and there is no guarantee you would not have to do up to three. I therefore advise you to return home where you can get better care". So buda did a Buhari and came back home and was admitted to hospital.

In the first few days buda had four Mri scans and was seen by eight specialists while buda's condition deteriorated such that buda lost all movement waist down, walking sticks to frame to a wheelchair and had shed a whole 30kg. It was at this point that buda was first told to move buda's toes as part of tests of mobility and sensation.

"Move your toes", the doctor would say, so buda would say to buda toes, "move", but toes just ignored buda. buda would be up in bed all night going, "toes move!" but toes would just stare at buda like, "talk to the hand", until buda was exhausted or till toes told buda to go fuq budaself.

buda was eventually informed that buda may have Guillain-Barré syndrome, a serious autoimmune disorder in which the immune system attacks healthy nerve cells in the peripheral nervous system which leads to weakness, numbness, and tingling and eventually paralysis. buda was given five doses of Intravenous immunoglobulin which cost over £500 a go to arrest the damage, but after three doses it was determined buda did not have GBS but would have to complete the treatment all the same. All along, toes wouldn't move.

By the end of buda's first week in hospital, buda was unable to move buda's lower body and buda's family and friends were in panic and for some odd reason thought buda would die. People would come to see buda in hospital with such long faces so buda decided to take on the short face and cheer them up, and since they were mostly religious people, buda got to tell them to have faith, all the while unable to move buda toes.

By the end of buda's second week in hospital by which buda was seen by 18 specialists, been referred to Tropical Diseases at Queens Hospital and Neurology at Kings, had twelve Mri scans, plus various other scans and lots of blood taken, and failed the "move your toes" test three times a day, plus so many "toes move!" administered by buda self, it was determined that buda had contracted a particular type of Schistosomiasis that had attacked buda's spinal cord and was working it's way up to buda's brain to kill buda. Twelve tablets of Praziquantel at 40 pence a tablet killed the parasite but buda was left with no movement from the waist down, wheelchair bound, and was transferred to King's Hospital where "move your toes" got intensive!

Now, 200 metres outside the window of the private room buda was moved to, there was a very tall crane which was being used to build a new wing to the hospital. One night it came through the window and attempted to move buda's toes, but failed! buda did not have the upper body strength to wheel buda about in a wheelchair for long, so buda would go about the hospital in it, building up strength, after all, "this might be buda's lot, buda better practise", buda thought. Meanwhile, buda's relationship with buda's toe got acrimonious, and gone from "toe, move", to "please toe, move", to "fuqing toe, bloody move!" While toe had gone to "buda, fuqing fuq off!" But buda wouldn't give up!

One day, in the fourth week in hospital, buda was staring at a picture of flowers on the wall across from the hospital bed where buda lay when a petal in the corner said, "buda toe, follow me", and buda's toe seemed to move a tenth of a millimeter after the petal.

"Na", said buda, "that didn't happen". You after all can imagine how one could possibly notice a movement of a tenth of a millimetre, like a single letter on this page! Besides, petals of flowers in pictures on walls do not exactly move now do they? All the same, buda heard what buda heard and buda seen what buda seen so buda stared at that picture waiting to see if it moved buda toe, it's not as if buda had anything better to do.

Nine hours, buda stared at the picture of flowers on the wall, when suddenly a petal in the middle said, "buda toe, follow me", and about ten minutes later, petal moved. buda said to toe, "follow that petal, toe", and toe, which had taken to being lord over buda, obediently followed the petal like a servant to buda, or the petal.

buda spent the next two days waiting for instructions from the picture hoping to not miss a single twitch of a single one of the thousands of petals in the picture, but the picture said nothing and toe didn't move till the third day when petal and toe commenced a full toe petal dance! buda slept that night, and the crane came in and lifted buda's legs that hadn't moved for weeks and when buda woke up, like a miracle, buda could walk again and a couple of days later was dancing through the ward, amazing everyone.

On the day buda was discharged, buda met a nurse by the lift who was there when buda was wheeled in. "buda", he said, "when you arrived, we all thought you would die, but you were full of cheer. We would look at your notes with concern and think you just didn't know how serious your condition was, but you just remained cheerful like there was nothing wrong. We thought you were on some self medicating drug perhaps and when you went off in your wheelchair in the middle of the night was when you was using so we tested your bloods for illicit drugs but found nothing! What the heck are you on?" He asked.

"Faith", buda told him. Ever since buda doctor in Nigeria advised buda to return home, buda knew buda was in good hands. The doctor could have milked buda for every penny buda had and left buda to die, but he didn't. And in every ward and hospital buda had been in since buda did a Buhari, buda had met the most wonderful caring people which instilled buda with faith that toes will move. And toes moved.

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MuttleyLaff:
Her truth is, what in the industry, is called the alternative fact

You'll be surprised what nonsense some cook in their heads, claiming there is no God
It is not only foolhardy to believe that to be the truth but it's also unwise

Sometimes people dont want to face fact, know and discover the truth
so what do they do in a situation like that
They create a fiction and invent a different narrative, just like the way the lady in that video did.

Budaatum, what do you think of the Anthony Ekundayo Lennon aka "African born again" furore?
What kind of truth is his?

Can you see the logic of trying to convince others of one's subjective truth? That's what Joseph1013 requested of me without realising he was asking me to provide evidence that could be said to have been cooked up in my mind.

Yes, it's called "alternative fact", and is sweeping the world. People can now decide what gender they are, it seems. A Dutchman, 69, brings lawsuit to lower his age by 20 years. And there's a girl trying to change her racial identity. I do not buy into such thinking yet, myself. One does not make up figments of the imagination in ones head and expect others to accept it. Gods may very well be figments of the imagination according to buda, but to others, buda is a fool.

MuttleyLaff:
budaatum, wisdom, that you seek and finding, is a gift

A gift or a present is an item given to someone without the expectation of payment or anything in return.

I repeat, whatever intellectual abilities or intelligence I may have were not gifted to me. I worked really hard to acquire the little intelligence I may seem to have. And the ability itself, I take your word that it is inherent in all humans. As you say:

MuttleyLaff:
Everyone has intellectual/mental capacity budaatum.
and yes budaatum, I testified that you intellectually argue and also intellectually discuss

An ability or capacity, however, is not exactly a skill. I am very certain I have the ability to fly an aeroplane and perform open heart surgery, but that would not make you claim buda can fly an aeroplane or perform open heart surgery. You most certainly most likely would not allow me to perform either on you! In order to be able to fly an aeroplane or perform open heart surgery, buda would have to do some work to be able to, just as buda has had to work to acquire the skill that makes you say buda has the particular skill being discussed.

MuttleyLaff:
1/ So, you believe, you are intelligent & you're certain of the origin of your intelligence because of the words & examples I made that you intelligently argue and intelligently discuss?

No! Buda does not believe buda is intelligent. You believe buda is intelligent! buda, herself, hopes she is somewhat intelligent and constantly works at becoming intelligent.

MuttleyLaff:
2/ Is your ability to acquire, apply and develop knowledge a figment of the imagination in your mind?

To be specific, my ability to acquire and develop knowledge, is not a figment of the imagination of my mind. It is a fact that one can acquire knowledge if one works to acquire it. "Seek, and you shall find" is a fact. So the answer to the first part of your question is, no, it is not a figment of my imagination.

As to applying it, I can only take your word that I have applied it and therefore assume that I am able to apply it therefore, and thank you immensely for stating that I do. It may very well be a figment of your imagination that buda is intelligent, but from what I know of you, I am inclined to accept your observation that it most likely isn't a figment of your imagination. Do not hesitate to let me know if you have observed buda wrongly please, in the figmentation of your imagination perhaps, without regard to evidence.

MuttleyLaff:
3/ Whats the source of your ability to acquire, apply and develop knowledge?

Interesting, and tricky, this one is. I would repeat you and say "Everyone has intellectual/mental capacity". I am simply one of those "everyones". I responded in detail above. In short form, the source is all the work I claim to have done.

MuttleyLaff:
4/ Are you 100% certain of the origination of your ability to acquire, apply and develop knowledge?

Yes, I am most certain of my "ability to acquire, apply and develop knowledge". You yourself say I have such abilities and I place much weight on your observation. If I were one to talk through my ass you most likely would have said so, instead of stating otherwise. As someone once said, "you say so". I merely take your word for it.

As to the "origination" too, yes. I have done a lot of work to acquire the ability to apply and develop the knowledge that I do exhibit and which you seem to observe.

MuttleyLaff:
5/ Whats the distinction between God, used in Genesis 3:5 and gods, used in Psalm 82:6 or John 10:34?

This is so off topic that I am inclined to kindly request that you start a thread for it please. However, and just so I am not accused of avoidance, a shift in understanding occurred between the Genesis understanding of god, and that of Psalm and John. In the former, an entity lorded it over others, and the latter was recognition of how gods are created, and by whom. It is specifically the latter that informs my "gods are figments of the imagination created by those in who's minds they are created".

Gen 3:5 says, "one day you shall know that gods are figments of the imagination created by human beings". A certain Jesus Christ took this to it's logical conclusion and is now bowed down to and worshipped instead of emulated, bar all the miracles, literally, that is. And even that, much more than he did (raising the dead, healing the sick) do we now do, just as he said we would. I stand as a testimony to this fact.

I still think this is worthy of a thread please. The fact that you ask it is like you read my mind, and I wonder how you connected this to the topic at hand. It is very relevant despite being off topic!

blueAgent:
Are you in denial of your church the Catholic church?

Do you not know buda does not do church?

vaxx:
Yes every true is subjective except what we want to make objective and that will be term as reality which is based on consensus agreement. The truth is always perceived by a subject, experienced by a subject.

I disagree! Every truth is not subjective! One can't cook up nonsense in their head and claim it is the truth!

Here, for instance, is one person's cooked up in the head truth.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFZT_o8oYZQ

Would you agree that her 'truth' is the truth?

panafrican:
The Left should be about economic equality, the battle for better worker wages, the fight against police brutality, the fight against greed and crony capitalism, the fight against racism.

And not for a fight against the stupidity that wants to police what adults do in their bedrooms?

I am smh!

LUCAS99:
Donald Trump is really going crazy regarding the recount.

He is currently going off on twitter with his usual Conspiracy theory.

Wonder what will happen if either Andrew Gillum OR Bill Nelson is declared winner after the recount...

Very interesting scenario playing out in my beloved sunshine state...

Someone on here already said the liberals are trying to rig the elections by stealing votes. Perhaps Trump would say Obama voted a few times too many.

LordReed:
LoL. Budaa be brutal! LoL!

Brutally honest with myself at least. I just see no point in deceiving myself, I guess.

MuttleyLaff:
An example of the latter, is this very beautiful, very deep and profound post which I liked

1/ Is your gift of intelligence a figment of the imagination in your mind?
2/ Whats the source of your gift of intelligence?
3/ Are you 100% certain of the origination of your gift of intelligence?

To begin with, I do not have a "gift" of intelligence. Whatever intelligence that I may have has been developed through hard work done by myself, so it's not a 'gift'. As is written, "seek, and you shall find", and I am not one to allow the figments of my own imagination to blind me from learning, or, seeking wisdom, as is said.

I hope you see how this makes your questions invalid, though for the third one, omitting the word "gift", I would claim that I am certain of the origin of my intelligence because you yourself testify to my having some level of intelligence, and have pointed to examples. If I am not somewhat intelligent, according to you, you wouldn't claim I am, I think.

joseph1013:

The guy said he has some extensive research in his hands. The world should be expectant, right?

Please don't misquote me! I never said I it is in my hands.

I specifically said I have done extensive research, and I am certain, so too has the author of this wonderful thread. Otherwise he has posted some almost 80 pages of complete thrash with no reason for a single word he's written! I strongly object to you thinking anyone could post so much with no evidence for what he posted, so stop insulting our intelligence, please!

joseph1013:
I don't like endless rhetoric. You said you've done extensive research and found out there's 100% certainty that there's no God. All I ask for is the evidence of your certainty that's above board. You'll be contributing greatly to our body of knowledge if you do.

Too much to ask?

Hopefully, you now see vaxx's point. I said that I am 100% certain. I never said you need to be or that I wanted to convince you, and yet here you are asking me to provide you with evidence. Is that not where the argument got to, which you disagreed with, and which made vaxx mention me?

Sorry, but I do not wish at this moment to contribute to anyone's knowledge. There are already numerous threads to that end, and they made an ounce of difference, one of them would already have done so. But if you are interested in a very interesting thread on the topic, please see this comprehensive and rather convincing one on the topic from a dedicated individual. When you get to the end, I might be more willing to show you that all gods only exist as figments of the imagination in the minds of those in whom they are created. Outside the minds, gods do not exist!

LordReed:
Well I don't know about you but I still reserve a ≥5% chance a god exists in a form humans have so far been unable to consider or discover. It is diminishing gradually (it used to be at 10%) but its there.

Good. Some honesty. I started with 0% and have found nothing whatsoever to make me veer from that despite an extensive search for gods.

LordReed:
LoL. There may be some elf believers out there, do not underestimate the power of delusion. LMAO!

I think I get why people say they don't know if a god exists or not because if you make a claim then you get to prove it. However in my mind there is a distinct difference between saying "I know a god doesn't exist" and "I see no evidence for a god so I am not convinced one exists". In the former case because of the lack of evidence one way or the other, the claim is hard to support but the later is well supported by the lack of evidence. The difference maybe tautological but I think the distinction needs to be made so people do not fall into making bad arguments.

A distinction that needs to be made in one's own head? I disagree! I do not need to lie to myself about what I know. If I see no evidence for a thing existing, I have no reason not to say so, except to pander to the whims of others which is hardly a concern of mine.

Besides, good arguments will sound bad to those who disagree with one, as one constantly finds on here. Discussions about gods are devoid of objectivity, is what I find, and is unavoidable since it relates to subjective reality, with each of us claiming our subjective reality is objective reality! The fact that people use the word "belief" pretty much exposes this fact.

LordReed:
The point is that there is no evidence to present for the existence of a god, just like there is no evidence for the existence of elves and goblins. The certainty is about the same, which means although we can't be 100% certain, the lack of evidence is loud and telling.

Could you imagine anyone sitting on the fence where goblins and elves are concerned? Most atheists however seem to buy into the notion that they need to believe gods don't exist when in fact, if they were to be honest, they'd either say they don't know, or they do know whether gods exist or not. Are they afraid, I wonder, that god might strike them down dead or something?!

joseph1013:
You understand it's not enough to just blurt out these assertions, right?

You've done extensive research that have not been peer reviewed, hence the rest of us mortals don't know about, isn't it? It's a given that such a research if validated would win you a Nobel.

This would apply if I were intending to convince you that gods do not exist, which I am not. Same way I wouldn't be wasting my time trying to convince you gods existed if I felt they did. I wouldn't believe gods exist, I would know they existed, and if you don't know they did, I'd just pass you off as a deluded ignorant fool. After all, I'd hardly accept that I was the deluded ignorant fool and accept my existing god does not exist!

But the evidence has been peer reviewed. I after all reviewed it, or don't you consider me a peer? Unfortunately, personal bias gets in the way of reviewing such stuff. Gods are one area where the rules of objective reviews are not accepted. I can't train your mind to be objective I am afraid. But just consider what has happened to all the gods that exist no more. Did they stop existing, or did they die in the minds of those who believed they existed?

As I said, gods exist only in the minds of those in whom they have been created, so it would be irrational for me to try to convince anyone that what exists in their minds does not exist in reality. The evidence is however out there that all the gods that have ever existed are human creations, and everything the gods have been claimed to be responsible for, more suitable reasons now exist. You just have to approach it with the mind that allows you to realise that fact. There was a time, after all, when Aphrodite lifted up her hindlegs and women got pregnant, but nowadays, we know that sex has something to do with birth, and Aphrodite is more or less dead.

To me, a person who believes gods do not exist, is an agnostic, as in someone who does not know, which may suit some, but if you really want to get off the fence, clean out your mind and consider the evidence objectively.