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LordReed:
I am happy with the perception of our world that we share and mutual agree on as the definition of real.

LordReed:
There might be some problem with this as a result of our inability to always reach consensus but it still precludes only one person seeing something that others do not. .

LordReed:
We mostly call such people insane or disturbed or maybe just high.

Niflheim:
MORAL TO THE STORY: It is better to have wise parents who follow OtemAtum, than to have foolish parents who follow illiteracy, backwardness and primitive belief systems!!!

LordReed:
If we define local space as everything we can observe now, we still know there is more we can't observe and so it could be out there. Besides the only things we observe at great distances are world and star sized objects, human sized objects would be completely missed.

Kal El we welcome you! LMFAO!

LordReed:
A long quote follows, shows good ol' Leo was nobody's fool not even the Church.

“When the followers and reciters of the works of others are compared to those who are inventors and interpreters between Nature and man, it is as though they are non-existent mirror images of some original. Given that it is only by chance that we are invested with the human form, I might think of them as being a herd of animals.”

“Those who try to censor knowledge do harm to both knowledge and love, because love is the offspring of knowledge, and the passion of love grows in proportion to the certainty of knowledge. The more we know about nature, the more we can be certain of what we know, and so the more love we can feel for nature as a whole.”

“Of what use are those who try to restrict what we know to only those things that are easy to comprehend, often because they themselves are not inclined to learn more about a particular subject, like the subject of the human body.”

“And yet they want to comprehend the mind of God, talking about it as though they had already dissected it into parts. Still, they remain unaware of their own bodies, of the realities of their surroundings, and even unaware of their own stupidity.”

“Along with the scholars, they despise the mathematical sciences, which are the only true sources of information about those things which they claim to know so much about. Instead, they talk about miracles and write about things that nobody could ever know, things that cannot be proven by any evidence in nature.”

“It seems to me that all studies are vain and full of errors unless they are based on experience and can be tested by experiment, in other words, they can be demonstrated to our senses. For if we are doubtful of what our senses perceive then how much more doubtful should we be of things that our senses cannot perceive, like the nature of God and the soul and other such things over which there are endless disputes and controversies.”

“Wherever there is no true science and no certainty of knowledge, there will be conflicting speculations and quarrels. However, whenever things are proven by scientific demonstration and known for certain, then all quarreling will cease. And if controversy should ever arise again, then our first conclusions must have been questionable.”

blueAgent:
Any other book that contradicts what the Bible says is not inspired.

LordReed:
Hmmm, not really a heretic but as a speculated homosexual (he never married) who was close to the Catholic Church, I enter Leonardo da Vinci as my candidate.

Ubenedictus:
character wise, my favorite heretic will be Luther, intellectually speaking, my favorite heretic will be Calvin.



Luther was pretty much the feisty fiery type of human being, happy to smile and be Christian this minute and then insult and bite off your head the next.

he produced probably the best thoughts Protestantism has to offer but also produced probably the best antisemitic works ever and had long speeches filled with bile, to his credit he was a man of great convictions, he created his entire theology simply because he felt unworthy before God, and the moment he felt better he was ready to stand before everyone and defend what he believed, this individualism and assurance of rightness is probably the reason we have so many different Protestant sects, the different Protestant arms came together to discuss the Eucharist and it didn't take long before both side accuse the other of been damned heretics.


Calvin on the other hand was a lawyer with a big brain, he made sure to push every thought he had to it extreme, heck who before him was mad enough to build entire theology upon God's predestination?


both were condemned by the council of Trent, etc

Ubenedictus:
I believe DA Vinci shouldn't even be mentioned here, he died a Catholic in good standing, he wasn't found guilty of heresy and I believe he is buried in a Catholic chapel somewhere

Ubenedictus:
why is he your favourite?

vaxx:
i am speaking in opposite of your topic, these are staunch atheist who later by logic and reasons come back to faith belief system.

vaxx:
Mine will be in other way. (I.e) opposite of the topic,

Moses Hess - is a philosopher that first influenced Karl Marx in his criticism of religion, but who later tried to combine the pantheism of Baruch Spinoza with Hegelianism and one former Mexico president name "" plutarco"" and ""Anthony flew"" another clever philosopher.

tintingz:
Yes!

Abdullah al-Qasemi (1907 – 9 January 1996) (Arabic: عبدالله القصيمي‎) was a Saudi Arabian 20th-century writer and intellectual. He is one of the most controversial intellectuals in the Arab world because of his radical change from defending Salafism to defending atheism and rejecting organized religion. He questioned the existence of God and criticised religions, which resulted in the allegations of him becoming an atheist, therefore his books were banned all over the Arab world.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_al-Qasemi

tintingz:
Abu al-Hasan Ahmad ibn Yahya ibn Ishaq al-Rawandi (Arabic: أبو الحسن أحمد بن يحيى بن إسحاق الراوندي‎), commonly known as Ibn al-Rawandi (Arabic: ابن الراوندي‎;‎ 827–911 CE[1]), was an early skeptic of Islam and a critic of religion in general. In his early days, he was a Mu'tazilite scholar, but after rejecting the Mu'tazilite doctrine, he became a freethinker who repudiated Islam and revealed religion.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_al-Rawandi

tintingz:
Most intelligent people in religious societies in the past are mostly apostates or heretics.

nelcliff:
Always have a rethink before you comment.. I guess you are the bad egg to this nation if you don't support Atiku...

I have been Atikulated.

MuttleyLaff:
Don't try to understand everything budaatum.
Sometimes, everything is not at a go, meant to be understood, there are things that are accepted, just as they are. As time matures, full understanding sets.

LordReed:
LoL! Women are actually worse when it comes to seeking signs and portents, they are more susceptible to creating castles in the air especially on the word of a really charismatic man.

Why do men and women look for portents and signs? Hope. Hope that the darkness of their lives can be turned into light. For some the darkness is poverty or lack, for others it is something or the other that they want and are afraid they may not get it. The reasons are as many as people that exist but hope is what they all are looking for in those signs and portents.

LordReed:
Eh, I don't know if you are aware but Superman's real name is Kal El. I was just having a tongue in cheek humor moment.

MuttleyLaff:
Dont trust everything you see budaatum, even salt looks like sugar.

MuttleyLaff:
budaatum, humans were never mindless slaves
and humans didnt need pants.

MuttleyLaff:
Wisdom is the principal thing, therefore get wisdom.

MuttleyLaff:
This is a no brainer.
Of course, Satan's.

LordReed:
In the the universes and landscapes of the mind they do. They just don't translate into reality so men look for signs and portents.

LordReed:
Oh yes.

LordReed:
All gods are small g gods including Yahweh. Its origins as a Canaanite god are a testament to that.

jesusjnr:
Well if it was your intention, you lost me there because I can't figure out how you would say such a thing concerning him and still mean well.

And i feel that you owe me some explanation, at least for someone who was willing to take a punt on you when most felt you were too much of a risky bet?

MuttleyLaff:
You dont trust God, you dont trust Satan.
What and/or who do you trust?

MuttleyLaff:
People usually dont give Satan Satan's due credit for what Satan knows.

MuttleyLaff:
Satan is in the knows, knows a lot and that why Satan not screaming from the rooftop like a hooligan, is an admission of guilt, also confirms, there isnt any God foul play concerning Satan caught with the hand in the cookie jar.

olagbola55:
Campaign start today
We start on a high level
Let start d real business



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MuttleyLaff:
Budaatum , you can trust that Satan's account would be an admission of guilt,
otherwise Satan would have from the nearest rooftop cried foul play long time ago.

I doubt Satan ever harboured a thought that God wasnt/isn't just and fair
I doubt Satan will ever say God cannot be trusted

LordReed:
LoL! No! Fire is a bad master! LMFAO!