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Martinez19:
Okay fine, I state that people have the right to take their own lives. Sorry to hear about Ma and Pa. Hope your condition is okay now and you are well adjusted?

Ma's live and kicking. Pa died 2 years ago. And I'm good thanks.

jesusjnr:
I would really enjoy being an antipaulchrist to him. You wey know wetin dey i am already done with him as he's so blind yet he thinks he sees clearly to make his case even worse. If you know wetin e take man to get to this level eh, you go understand why Jesus talk say make someone no give something holy to the dog or cast pearls before the swine, dem go dey use am dey play tumbo-tumbo. So as for that guy i don switch to silence mode not even the parables mode wey Jesus been switch to, for parables done even pass this one level.

Only those at a level know the effort to get to that level. Those beneath it would always think they are at the highest level though. But fruits reveal a lot, don't they. You got to wonder what Jesus some 'believe' in that makes they so quick to send others to hell.

solite3:
you are an antichrist.
it's not about Paul but Jesus Christ,

Oh junior jesus, you might want to tread careful. It's a tiny step from antichrist to satan.

Don't worry. You'd be back to talking to yourself.

solite3:
why are you so afraid of hell, I taught you said it only exist in the mind of those that believe it's existence.

It indeed does exist in the mind of those in whom it is created, just like gods and heaven. But where did you get that I'm afraid?

solite3:
you sound dumb and pained. stop masquerading your fake self mr. you are an agent of Satan.

I'm not masquerading. And I'm not pained. Are you pained? You sound pained! You do know I'm going to hell, right? Go on, rejoice!

jesusjnr:
Don't tell me that there isn't a God, otherwise you'd have to tell me how!

I am not an atheist who believes that there are no gods, but one who knows that gods do not exist outside the minds of those in whom they are created. It's my favorite line on here: "Gods are figments of the imagination that only exist in the minds of those in whom they are created". I can therefore not tell you that the god that exists in your mind is not there even though I can discuss a text about a particular god. But as to there being one god, well, the evidence hardly leads to such conclusions.

The quality of one's god is measured by one's fruits. And one's fruit depends on the quality of the seed that is planted, and on the quality of the soil it is planted on, and how well one tends the plant that produces the fruit. If one's fruits are rotten, one's god is most likely rotten too. And are there not very many rotten gods in people's minds?

It is for this reason that one should acquire the best seed, and plant it in the best soil, and tend the growing plant diligently. Then the god that grows in one's mind would be nice and juicy. And those who see you eating it would say, "tell me how to grow such wonderful fruit", for they too shall want some.

vaxx:
Remember internet don't lie. Let see who is dishonest here?

The links on that page are allabout philosophy. It expose you..... the two links are from non comprehensive sites. Got question and all about philosophy .

Even the two links are christain faith links according to their introduction.

https://www.nairaland.com/4459924/subjectivity-objectivity#66927559

My response

https://www.nairaland.com/4459924/subjectivity-objectivity#66928273
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You are funny. That was all that was required at the time, but odd enough, just as on here, the point goes right over your head in your desire to massage your ego. And as usual, you attacked the source and paid absolutely no attention to the content therein. But I should understand you by now. I am a source too, but as I said, if I were to say "the sun was in the sky", you vaxx would likely argue that "the sky is in the sun". I guess the sight of buda presents a challenge to you. Believe me, even if I got my source off a piece of toilet paper, I'd still be making a lot more sense than you.

A clear example is you throwing Zeno's Paradox out there with no explanation of how it explains your point. You perhaps think you would muddle things up by throwing the kitchen sink at us, yet just about everyone who's posted on this thread has been unable to make heads or tails of the muddle you've written, while you seem to think it's because we are all brainless! The pity is that all you've posted in this thread is indicative of how your mind works, and shows you really need to go see a doctor.

vaxx:
Remmeber you once pull out one non comprehensive regulated sites with me( allaboutphilosophy) you become petty when i challenge
It

Your dishonesty is just mindboggling, vaxx!

Go on, remind me where this happened!

Martinez19:
People should have the right to end their life whether they have a good reason to or not. It's their life.

Funny enough, I disagree that "People should have the right". That statement is just odd since it implies a right someone has to give to one as opposed to a right one already has. More importantly though, the issue raises uglies where assisted life ending is concerned.

Assisted life ending, or assisted dying, as it's called, is when a person is so incapable of ending their life that they need help. It is illegal in UK so some people go off to Sweden for it. The problem with it is that the vulnerable could be killed off and the killer says they were asked to. The few instances where a partner has gone to Sweden to assist however, they have not been prosecuted on return.

On a personal note, ma, who is so active, is so afraid of pain and being in a vegetative state that years ago she asked me to help her die if she ever got in that state. I strongly informed her that she better do what she has to do before she can't kill herself. I, buda, would find it difficult to go on living knowing I killed ma!

Pa, on the other hand, having had enough at close to a hundred managed to check out all by himself. I was with him his last two years which kept him alive longer than otherwise, but as soon as I returned to UK and he knew I was not returning soon, he refused food and checked out. He was very practical about it and I knew he would so I never told him I was coming back to UK. But I was ill at the time, paralysed waist down, wasting away and trying to ensure I wasn't checked out myself! Pa, knowing him, would say he was sacrificing his life for mine.

Do you see the problem when they "believe" without breathing life in to the Word and seeking understanding? They are like the Pharisees who know the law inside out but following in Spirit is beyond them. To me, they waste every thing good about Jesus Christ and make me want to thank God for creating me an atheist!

In fact, thank you God for creating me an atheist!

solite3:
that cannot happen because the same Spirit that was in Jesus is also in paul.

O really?! Jesus, you call the Son of God. Makes me think the spirit in him was kind of special. Yet here you are claiming that same spirit was in Paul!

Did humble Jesus go about extolling his credentials like arrogant Paul did?

solite3:
Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Galatians 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

do you see this? any man even if it is an angel that preached what Paul and the other apostles had not preached let him be accursed.
what you have is another gospel if it does not agree with what Paul teaches.

James preached a Gospel different to Paul's when he said:

What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”

Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless?

I guess James is accursed and an antichrist, right?!

Paul, to me, was a self promoting priq!

jesusjnr:
I have already heard what i want to hear from you so i'm not gonna join issues with you but just want to correct a mistake you made in that anyone who is against the teachings of Paul is an antipaul and not an anti-christ except you are saying that Paul is your christ then so be it, for he's not mine. Jesus is!

Stop this please junior jesus!

I am having to force myself not to like you!

stanech:
Imagine how desperate you have to be that send fake bombs to yourself #MAGABomber

Damn! I was going to say that knowing its what someone would think! Amazing!

vaxx:
The links posted are not directed to the wrriting in red.
If you know you can't provide the links,then we should take it as one of the ways you want to distract us from knowledge.


Beware of false knowledge as it is more dangerous than ignorance........

I'm beginning to think you are unwell! Or why would I be lying about a thing as obvious as that?! Do you think we are all like you or something?

I've put the links to the location of the quotes in bold. But knowing what you're like, here's a snapshot too. I'm very certain that even after you find it there, you'd be coming up with some other lame excuse!

budaatum:
Regarding the hotchpotch attempt of the op to prove a thinly veiled Kalām cosmological argument of an Aristotelianistic unmoved mover, Al-Kindi wrote that:

"According to the hypothesis under consideration, it has been established that all the beings in the world have a cause. Now, let the cause itself have a cause, and the cause of the cause have yet another cause, and so on ad infinitum. It does not behove you to say that an infinite regress of causes is impossible."

And Muhammad Iqbal stated:

"A finite effect can give only a finite cause, or at most an infinite series of such causes. To finish the series at a certain point, and to elevate one member of the series to the dignity of an un-caused first cause, is to set at naught the very law of causation on which the whole argument proceeds."

These are two criticisms which have been raised in this thread but which the op wishes to, without valid reason, set aside. Still, one commends the op for the data provided.

vaxx:
can you provide links to where this study was taken from. We need to criticised it and value it.

Links are in the post! And, as you would say, "Google is your friend".

Shebi na today? When today finish, please list their names here.

I'm sure there are pagans in Ekiti State. How many of them are in his government?

[url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+6%3A+43-45&version=NIV]Luke 6:43-45[/url]

Many claim "belief" is more important as far as Christ is concerned, yet here is Christ himself proclaiming what one does, the fruit of one's belief, one's actions, are more relevant. This idea is further elaborated on with the Parable of the Samaritan, and the fact that some believe but do not "my will".

Some would claim those 'believers' who do not, do not really believe, but I would claim that they sure do believe much more that atheist buda does, or than the unbelieving Samaritan did.

Does 'believing' 'save' you? You would be the judge of that I guess.

solite3:
He Paul was an apostle of christ sent to build that which he formally destroyed, he was used mightily by the holy Spirit for his work

I beg to differ that he was an apostle of christ. In fact, Christ is most obscured by most of what Paul is alledged to have written!

solite3:
do you know the beginning of wisdom?

Proverbs 9:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

true wisdom has its origin from the fear of God

Wisdom has absolutely nothing to do with the fear of anything, apart from fear being a lack of wisdom. It is the ignorant that use fear to decrease their own hope and limit their own victories.

There are numerous verses in the Bible itself that admonish against fear. The fear of a so called "loving god" is most absurd!

Regarding the hotchpotch attempt of the op to prove a thinly veiled Kalām cosmological argument of an Aristotelianistic unmoved mover, Al-Kindi wrote that:

"According to the hypothesis under consideration, it has been established that all the beings in the world have a cause. Now, let the cause itself have a cause, and the cause of the cause have yet another cause, and so on ad infinitum. It does not behove you to say that an infinite regress of causes is impossible."

And Muhammad Iqbal stated:

"A finite effect can give only a finite cause, or at most an infinite series of such causes. To finish the series at a certain point, and to elevate one member of the series to the dignity of an un-caused first cause, is to set at naught the very law of causation on which the whole argument proceeds."

These are two criticisms which have been raised in this thread but which the op wishes to, without valid reason, set aside. Still, one commends the op for the data provided.

vaxx:
The name "Big Bang" was inadvertently coined by Fred Hoyle in 1949 on a radio show - who was mocking the ideea.

One should be very mindful of Fred Hoyle.

"The reason why scientists like the "big bang" is because they are overshadowed by the Book of Genesis. It is deep within the psyche of most scientists to believe in the first page of Genesis".
A MILE OR TWO OFF YARMOUTH

Ayomivic:
Did Quron not explain why Allah destroyed generation of Noah?

Is this a competition between the Quran and the Bible? Or between Yahweh and Allah?

I don't see much difference between the two. But I'm sure Allah has as much regrets as Yahweh, since they are the same entity!

solite3:
1 Corinthians 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

The above is from Paul. Having persecuted those who followed 'Christ' and failed, he tries new tactics of filling new wines in his old bottles and continues in his old ways!

And it seems to have worked, if you ask me. So far, and for now!

solite3:
Proverbs 2:4 If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures;

Proverbs 7:15 Therefore came I forth to meet thee, diligently to seek thy face, and I have found thee.

Proverbs 8:17 I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me.

Proverbs 11:27 He that diligently seeketh good procureth favour: but he that seeketh mischief, it shall come unto him.

Oh Wisdom! How I seek thee! But some have made the mistake to make gods of those you have endowed with thy gift, not making a god of you yourself, but making gods of those you've blessed!

Oh Wisdom! Wisely the world came into being, but give you credit, they do not do. They make gods of whom they please, and credit for thy creation they give to these!

Oh Wisdom! All who have thee live long lifes, for by thy endowments you prolong existence, even everlastingly though they die. Yet do many worship those you have endowed, and worship not you the Endower!

Oh Wisdom! If they knew you were the God, worship thee would suffice not, but they know not, they so know not, despite, as you say, you beckon them, know!

Oh solite3. If you truly understood Wisdom in the book of Proverbs, you would consider if it were a thing to worship, or a thing to use. Yet what you do is replace it with an idol which you worship! This, despite your very own Lord advising thee, "when I return to the Father, I'll send it to dwell in your very own head and comfort you", you create images and worship these. Yet, Wisdom works hard to break through!

It is Wisdom that you worship in Christ. It is Wisdom that gives eternal life. And yes, when you accept Wisdom into your life you too shall not die. Yet, satan, which is ignorance, works hard to veil Wisdom from you. It is a great travesty. The greatest travesty ever that ignorance seems to so easily triumph. But the veil is being rent asunder, oh Wisdom!

Remember today, solite3. It is the day you peek behind the veil, and one day soon shall you tear it down! Those Wisdom endowed cannot have lived in vain!

Exceldan:
But no religion has created and harbored more terrorists as islam. Sorry i think there is a word called Islamophobia has any other religion been attached with phobia?

Yes, actually. Both Judaism and Christianity have terrorised people, it's just that personal bias in the West does not allow one to admit it. Go to the West Bank and witness modern day Judaic terrorism. They had an election, voted for Hamas, and have been on lockdown since. If Muslims did that to people we cared about, we would be screaming our heads off. Also go look at what Saudi Arabia is doing in Yemen for comparison though. Of course the West dare not say anything because, as Trump recently said after they dismembered Khashoggi, "Our arms industry!" "Our jobs!" Bloody hypocrites!

In Myanmar, Muslims, have been killed, raped and tortured, their homes, shops and mosques burned down, and 700,000 Muslim Rohingyas have been forced to flee across the border to Bangladesh, a Muslim country. They are predominantly Buddhists in Myanmar. Their leader, Aung San Suu Kyi, won a Nobel Peace Prize in 91, yet today, she is the leader of Myanmar, terrorising her people!

Then there's Bush's war against terrorism in Iraq and Afghanistan and Libya, to name a few. Those wars should be against the leaders of those countries, and not against the common people on the street, but what Bush and co did was the equivalent of dropping bombs on the citizens of Nigeria for the atrocities brought about by our leaders! Are the citizens not victims of their bad leaders too? And would we not call Bush and co, terrorists if they dropped bombs on us? But we don't, since we could hardly be calling those we share a religions n with, terrorists!

Most people have bought into the phobias that you mention, but if they could just be rational and use their brains, they would understand that they are simply being manipulated into irrational fear. The truth is that Muslims in our own Northern Nigeria, for instance, are the most terrorised and oppressed citizens in our nation, but many have been programmed to believe those poor oppressed citizens are the oppressors, and the aboki selling stuff right outside your gate is willing to blow you up!

Trust me, if that were true, he would have done it by now. If fact, I don't believe you even believe he is a terrorist, or what the heck are you doing eating that suya you bought in Sabo just yesterday!?

I wonder if you shouldn't be comparing the Quran with the Bible itself, let's see if the God's themself were terrorists!

plainbibletruth:
Let’s compare few words of Mohamed, Allah and Koran with that of Jesus.
A:
“Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do”, (Luke: 23:34

“And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you
out,” (Koran: 2.191)

B:
“If anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also” (Matthew: 5.39)

“I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers;” (Koran:8.12)
“For he who insults you (Muhammad) will be cut off” (Koran: 108.3).

C:
“Love your enemies and pray those who persecute you” (Matthew: 5.44)
“If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of
him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost’ (Koran: 3.85)
“And know that whatever ye take as spoils of war, lo! a fifth thereof is for Allah, and for the
messenger and for the kinsman (who hath need)” (Koran: 8.41)
“How many a township have We destroyed! As a raid by night, or while they slept at noon, Our
terror came unto them” (Koran: 7.4)

It is clear from the above who stood for peace and who did not. It is clear who expressed MERCY through and through and who did not. Moslem apologists rather than face the issues usually will resort to DEFLECTION. Instead of taking the issues raised they will bring up other extraneous matters in order to muddle up things. However, to the discerning the TRUE PICTURE can be easily seen and the right decisions made.

stanech:
Nationalism has more than one definition do look it up.

So does liberalism, now you mention it.