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MuttleyLaff:
Never mind, as was glad, you admitted your mistake when you acknowledged budaatum's advice when he typed:
"Next time do include links please. People get vilified on here for plagiarism."

Hypocrisy, by the way, is when one tells another to do what one refuses to do oneself.

Gggg102:
this is that Roman official who met Jesus to heal his servant. the one who told Jesus he needs not to be under his roof but only say the words... as he does to those under him. the one whose faith Jesus said hasn't been found in Israel and was healed for this faith...

What is it that makes you claim that Roman official was gay, Gggg?

9inches:
Actually, you are not allowed to forge your own subjective interpretation of Christianity (or the bible) in the Catholic church.

That's the reason the Pentecostals split off from the Catholics. First, they accused the Catholics of forging their own subjective interpretation but calling it God's, and then they went ahead and forged their own interpretation and called their's God's.

As to being allowed. One could argue that Christ gave permission to forge one's own subjective interpretation with his "I have not come to change the law", but going ahead to modify some laws somewhat. And, wasn't subjective interpretation a consequence of the Holy Spirit? One person's HS doesn't always say what someone else's HS says.

That however is not an excuse for muttley claiming things that don't exist or that he can't provide evidence for at all are written in the Bible!

johnydon22:
Read that top post again

Why? Has it been edited?

johnydon22:
Politics Will ruin this planet especially Liberal politics that is turning lunatic every passing day.

Hmm! I don't think I'm having that, being that I am liberal myself, as in, in favour of the adult individual making their own choices.

If a man wants to cut off his dick and grow boobs, or a woman do the equivalent - cut off their boobs and grow a dick - please, what's my business in that? It's their body and their business. Besides, once you start dictating whether people can cut bits of their body or not or and attach bits to it that they want, it wouldn't take long for you to claim I must have certain thoughts and those thoughts only, and be telling me what to believe or not believe, and I wouldn't like that!

Liberalism gives the right to individuals to make the choices that best suit them. It is an ideology of self responsibility - you cut off your dick and the benefit, or dis-benefit is yours, and has nothing to do with a second or third party!

I do not agree that others should be ones keeper more than one is the keeper of oneself, provided one is deemed of sound mind and an adult.

Meet Walt Heyer, he spent 8 years as a transgender female. Here’s why he says diagnosing young kids as transgender is child abuse.

“From my point of view as a former child who did this, it’s child abuse, and it shouldn’t be done.”

UserX18:
Oh! You telling me about Faith?

Do you not know that you even talking about Faith(From the Holy Bible) is unreasonable.

Just like a child (age -3) who has refused to learn(believe) a,b,c,d -> z, is telling you about words like “lackadaisical” “psychological” or even “alphabetical”. This is the best description I’m able to point to.

Pity you think faith is a bible word. As I said, "you see through your Christian eyes". Seems you think non-Christian's eyes don't work. Guess you wouldn't understand either if I said my faith in passing my exams was based on the intensive study I did before hand too, or my faith in not being hit while crossing a road is based on looking left and right before crossing.

O, and learning and believing are not synonyms. And for your information, most three year olds use words long before they learn the alphabets.

You must believe what you're claiming. Pity you can't hit me in the face with the evidence that's convinced you so I can be convinced too. If you had bothered, I would not even have to believe because I would actually know.

Guess I'll just wait for god to do what you seem too lazy to do. Wonder what god would think of you not bothering though.

Primesky:
What a lame excuse. You don't want the reality of truth to hit you in the face. Hahaha... Maybe YouTube is also gullible right?.

Stop putting yourself down OK, it's a dangerous thing to do. You want proofs because you can't seem to find one, if I point to the bible, you will claim what I can't describe. Now go to an open platform all by yourself, no, you won't! It then means you're deliberately doing what you're doing!. It means, you deliberately just want to oppose anything God, otherwise, what's your challenge, what's you problem?.

My dear you have no excuse. You have made a choice not to believe, and that's up to you. You and you alone can answer your own question when the time comes. But you can never claim ignorance of this infallible truth of God's word.

Jesus Christ loves you very much. Wake up and recieve Him today.

God did not claim giants are on youtube, you did. If you have link to what you are claiming just post one so I can have understanding. Stop asking God to give what you can very easily provide!

Primesky:
Why are you shying away from the task. Make use of the vast library of the internet and YouTube. Why should I let you accuse me of chosen what I am biased for? So, go search it yourself. I don't own YouTube or the internet, so have no fear. If you're serious about finding the truth, you will. The truth about God is open for all mankind and no one will have excuses to say before God.

Romans 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Romans 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

May the gracious Lord grant you understanding and salvation through Jesus Christ our saviour. Amen!

dalaman:
It won't. It will instead strengthen religious beliefs here on earth, but the reality is that if we find an alien civilization they will have their own God ideas that are totally different ours that's if they hold belief in God or have any religious beliefs.

What? Their "Bible" would say "Thou shalt kill" ? I kind of doubt it somehow, as they'd hardly survive if they went about killing themselves.

But that aside, it would be phenomenal, even without contact, which would likely take years, either for them to travel to where we are or we to where they are. And more years for actual communication as we'd both need to learn each other's language

In the meantime, our religions would just revise the meanings their books have. We already see it with someone saying Allah already told about lifeforms on other planets. And science would go through revisions too. I'd expect the impact to be no more than the discovery that the earth was not the centre of the universe really, and take about as long to sink in.

By the way, the complex organisms found on Mars are the equivalent of finding common Oxygen. I wonder what language Oxygen would speak. lol.

Primesky:
Interesting, your mother used to think those places were in heaven. Did the Bible suggest or imply that anywhere?. What's the relationship between that and the subject matter?. Giant remains have been discovered all over the world, authenticating the Bible's account. But you won't accept that, because the Bible says so.

But if it's Dinosaur remains, then yeah, that will be very correct, no argument. There were giants in the bible days. Do a little research. The internet and YouTube particularly will help you.

The relationship is how people are misinformed. And the evidence I found was to do with a beanstalk, so if you got links to support your claim, provide It and let's see.

Earthbound:
This is gold!

I call it "Religionising". The giving of unquestionable facts. It is what most get from reading the Bible, some sort of fundamentalism, like the mud before God is said to have breathed its spirit into it. And that 'spirit' could be the ability to consider and reason.

Dickens was writing to ridicule and change this sort of unquestioned facts prevalent in his time. Unfortunately, this book of his has not entered the Nigerian psyche, yet.

MuttleyLaff:
...Give these things without charging,
since you received them without paying
- Matthew 10:8b

So, what's with your "conditions" then, muttley? Are your "conditions" not a form of 'charge'?

Take your own advise and give us freely, and without charge, what we've been asking for, please. Or are you just pulling strings on a puppet?

Earthbound:
As much as Yoruba parents believe this, it is partly false and is likely not to ever happen. How you raise your kids is what you get as end product

I guess, in the end, we have to be grateful for the opportunities they've provided us. They've made us who we are and we wouldn't quite be without them.

By the way, you are an example of what I mean when I deride 'believing'. We learn more when we consider what we are told instead of just accepting the facts we are given. The latter is derided in Charles Dicken's 'Hard Times'

’‘Now, what I want is, Facts. Teach these boys and girls nothing but Facts. Facts alone are wanted in life. Plant nothing else, and root out everything else. You can only form the minds of reasoning animals upon Facts: nothing else will ever be of any service to them. This is the principle on which I bring up my own children, and this is the principle on which I bring up these children. Stick to Facts, sir!'

There is a form of education that values critical thinking as opposed to sheepishly accepting the facts as given which, unfortunately for now, is mostly the Nigerian style of educating. But it is gradually changing, albeit slowly, and the paranoia you mentioned diminishes thereby.

Earthbound:
The know it all part gets me everytime. My dad would literally say 'You people don't know anything' everytime to any suggestion tabled in a situation. There's also the wanting of everything done his way with little or no input from others.

It's crazy, my maternal grandparents are Muslim so is my my paternal grandmother. Only my paternal grandfather was Christian and belonged to the African church denomination. My father single handedly converted to Roman Catholicsm. That you cannot think as to how your children perceive this is beyond me.

Funny isn't it. When my parent's say I "know nothing", I ask them why they invested so unwisely in educating me, after all, "it is that education that makes me think to say what I say that you are now telling me is 'nothing'"!

In response, my mum is fond of saying "Omo a se be si o". (Your children will do likewise to you). I say, "Ami". If I behave as my parent's do sometimes, and my child does not behave to me like I do to mine, I will bash it's bastard head in because it can't be my child or have my genes!

I refuse to educate my child to know "nothing"!

Earthbound:
Exactly! The comparison is usually with people who are well off or have had better opportunities. I'm glad to have experienced this so I wouldn't repeat it to my kids. I would also give them freedom of religion. I know this would be strange but in the end it's the best thing to do

You'd be amazed that "freedom of religion" translates to "freedom of learning", which has the compounded effect of increasing the knowledge in your household and increasing the confidence your child has too.

The CoE has a problem stemming from this fact. As soon as most children turn 16 or leave for university, their parents can't get them to go to church anymore, with most leaving for a pentecostal or leaving church completely. When I talk to these kids about it, they tell me they find the sort of belief their parents have, and the thinking that stems from it, absurd.

Unfortunately, the rigidity of the parents causes conflict in the home as they see it as disobedience of the child. Funnily, though sadly, I remind the parents how they were disobedient to their own parents in not worshipping the idols their parents worshipped. Most refuse to see it however.

Only arrogant and stupid parents would insist their children only learn from themselves. The assumption would have to be that they know it all, which they just possibly can't.

Earthbound:
This is exactly what I think about daily. Not just religiously but in all spheres. We're supposed to learn from our parents how not to raise our kids. Check out this thread https://www.nairaland.com/4566746/name-parenting-trait-parents-never

Good post. Especially the bit about comparing one with the children of others.

I recall when I finally blew up and compared the parents of a cousin I was compared to with my own parents. They were wealthy and could afford to provide better opportunities for their child than mine could for me. I was rather content with my lot as I knew quite a lot of people who were relatively worse off.

Then my cousin's parents died when my cousin was still young.

"Do you want to die too ma?" I asked ma, and she never compared us again!

Earthbound:
My folks are excessively religious. Well, my father mostly, and in recent years it's been rubbing off on my mother. Some of his actions are mind blowing and things he attributes to the spiritual are just plain ridiculous.
I know the reason though, it is another characteristic of many Christians. The frequenting of different churches with different doctrines for the sole purpose of fulfilling materialistic need. I'm Catholic by birth but I have been to Celestial, Cherubim and seraphim, Mountain of fire, and CAC all because kids are supposed to obey their folks. I lost my faith along the line.

Our poor parents. Mine were rather opposed to the religion prevalent when I was born, only for time to pass and them becoming like those they've always abhorred such that I began to wonder if old age addled their brain.

We must evolve and not present the same to our offspring!

tomakint:
You just helped a brother to the deeper meaning in the relationship among the 3 distinct Beings, who are; God Almighty, Jesus Christ and Holy Spirit. I just pray he will understand the Holy Scriptures through the interpretations of the Holy Spirit that teaches us the Truth and not through the interpretations of his Pastors that lead to Doctrines of Men! Trinity is a Doctrine of Men which the Bible warns us against. As I am typing now, trinity teaching has bring more confusion into the household of faith than belief.

However, while properly demoting Jesus from being a god, let us wonder why he was deemed elevatable to that position in the first place. His impact was after all so significant that he was so elevated despite the "I am a jealous God".

Primesky:
The skeleton may not be that of Goliath. But the bible tells us about giants living around Canaan in those days. This has also been verified by archeologists.

I won't be surprised if the doubting thomoses pick holes in this one too, just so that they won't be mocked. The truth about the authenticity of God word will continue to shame expose and confound the enemies of the Bible. How many tyrants have tried to silence it?. But they all failed, rather, the Bible trumped their propaganda and excelled till today. The word of God can never be gainsayed.

You remind me of how my mother used to think. She was taught that Jerusalem and Egypt was in heaven. Imagine her delight when on her way to London in the 60s there was a diversion to Israel and a trip to the pyramids.

If, "verified by archeologists" , (sic), hope you wouldn't mind my asking you show me some?

delishpot:
when next I use to reply your quotes. It simply means still no proof? Still running around and evading my own requests? That is what it means when I reply your mention with those little faces.

Or, 'Laff'!

MuttleyLaff:
Special request ke.
I declared I have no qualms providing you ALL the information,
I actually said the ONLY I'll do it will be in camera
plus providing the info is based on and/or down to your accepting the conditions

So, I have to pay?

I think I should start calling you Laff, muttley!

Earthbound:
This singular act breeds backwardness. How can we end this menace with this generation?

It is amusing isn't it. A person claims to believe in Christ, yet they fear that Christ does not protect them. What a waste of Christ, I say, or the pointlessness of believing. It's why I say "believing" is rather silly, and that knowing is much better.

If people bother to understand better by diligently seeking knowledge, they'd have the wisdom to overcome this nonsense. But 'understanding' that leads to such knowledge has been shielded by a cherubim with a flashy sword for fear they reach up for the fruit of the tree of life itself and know how godly they really are!

In the most fundamental form, the "cherubim with a flashy sword", is the same as the terror and fear one imparts in one's own child in the guise of teaching them stuff, and expressed in the stupid statement "the fear of the Lord", which really ought to have read "The love of the Lord", for better meaning!

This generation, has less fear than the generation that came before for they learn from the ignorance of their parents, who feared less than their parents. The next generation will fear exponentially less because they learn from the ignorance of their grandparents and from you their parents. So just teach your children and the menace will depart from them.

As an aside, atheist that I am, with non-excessive religious parents at the time they bore me, they baptised me with a name that means "The Lord is my Shepherd". Could you imagine the stupidity of fear in a person with a name like that?!

Do note that the above is intentionally convoluted.

Hakeem12:
Ironically, I think it comes from the bible itself. 1 Corinthians 13:11...When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child, but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

Ironically, reading the Bible is what made me realise too that I'd always been an atheist. I started reading it at 9 and got to the end by my 13th birthday and that did for me. I just couldn't see it how I was being told to.

Why all these things keep getting found in Jerusalem? Na only dem waka come? Abi na only dem sabi?

Someone should post a thread please, "God's skeleton found in Nigeria"! Na dere im die!

Don't cry for us Argentina!

Well done guys, and all you who supported. If we had played Buhari, I'm certain we would have won.

Oh bugger!

Good luck guys.

I am an atheist because I was never fed on gods growing up. It just wasn't a thing in my home, school or community so I was completely starved of the idea. First gods I got to know were the Greek gods, and anyone who's read Iliad, Homer and eventually Robert Graves Greek Myths, might understand how absurd it is to believe they existed. And being weaned on that, that absurdity would apply to all gods in the end, and especially reinforced when one eventually discovers that Homer was the first Greek Bible read and believed like some do the Bible and Quran today.

I'd say I am an atheist because I don't "believe". The books themselves are some of the greatest reads out there. Pity believing in them is encouraged, as opposed to learning from them! Might as well believe Alice fell down a Wonderland Hole!

BigBashiru:
If they could afford soup kitchens since why are they just doing it?

The fact they buy private jets first before soup kitchens reveals if the Holy Spirit is truly in operation in these churches. Only God knows. It's not for me to judge.

It is for you to judge, please. Abi dem dish holy spirit pass you?

sshyne:
Don't call him lunatic. He forced them out of their comfort zone. This are one of the things he as being attacking them for. It will be best you say daddy freeze thank you

Daddy Freeze, thank you!