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tinsel:
But Fayose is not in charge of electricity.

He is in charge of lobbying for them. Or im no care!?

I bet if you lived in that area you would not vote Fayose!

P.s.

I'm delighted you read Otem, by the way.
You at least live on more than bread alone.

Primesky:
Knowledge is a waste if you choose not to believe. Knowledge will make sense to you when you believe and accept it as being factual and true.

For you saying there's no God, it becomes even easier to mess you up, because you have absolutely no defense. If the so called Christians will so greatly fall, how about the non believer?.

My dear Primesky, this is not a thread about whether there is god or not, and if I introduced that fact in this thread, apart from stating that I am an atheist, please accept my apology for derailing!

Knowledge is never a waste, Prime, and it does matter whether one believes it or not. If you believe the knowledge you have, you will close yourself to opposing information and therefore not learn anymore.

But I'm going to leave you as you are. Promise to look me up on the day please when mud is rubbed in your eye and you eventually see.

jiggaz:
Dear OAM4J and Seun please i want you guys to know that your antispam bot has been banning me since last week whenever i comment on a post. It will hide the post and ban it. I don't know why, my comments are not offensive oo, just normal reply to someone that thanked me for putting up a thread. Please look into it. Maybe it have a problem. It has banned me like 3 times last week. Please please look into it. Thank you so much.

Please o, me too. I was banned for no reason! No reason at all. Only once though, and first time ever. I sent an email to mods and Dominique reinstated the post. Thank you so much.

Niflheim:
Agnostic: I do not know whether aliens live inside my buttocks, because I have never taken an extensive tour or excursion into my buttocks!!!


Atheist: I do not believe that an alien can live inside a human buttocks, because if it did, we would have captured it on screen using a simple X-ray!!!

Lolllll!

Has anyone noticed the quality of bread has improved since we stopped spreading that obnoxious butter all over it?!

I'm so glad we see the light!

Deen4all:
Please don't lecture us that men have self control and it's those ones that lack it that do these things.

Don't be deceived, on the day of judgement you will be accountable for your deeds and I hope it will not be too late .peace

How can a person created without self control be accountable for deeds they have no self control over on judgement day? Is it that person's fault that they lack self control if they are created without self control?

I hope you are not a man. If you are, I hope you don't truly believe what you wrote up there. If you are a man, and lack self control, go rape someone and let us know how your excuse of having no self control plays in court. Believe me, you'd be jailed up with lots of others like you who lack self control, and in prison, men don't tend to care which hole they poke their pokers in. You can forgive them I guess, because according to you, you men lack self control!

Otherwise, I strongly suggest you change your spots and acquire some self control!

alBHAGDADI:
Don't you all ever think Satan is the reason why religious nations often suffer a lot?

So, nations where god is worshipped suffer a lot because of satan?

And nations that don't worship god are left alone by satan?

If the above applied to humans, I wonder which a smart person would chose to do?

And if it's at all true, what's the point of God then?!

Primesky:
What else affects your confession other than your beliefs?

My "beliefs" affect absolutely nothing Primesky, my knowledge does. I have found that I, and just about everybody, believe the things that we do because we actually have no knowledge whatsoever about what we claim. If we did have knowledge about it, we would say "I know", and not "I believe".

There is a rather very simple way of converting knowledge to belief. One just has to do some research to acquire knowledge. Unfortunately, many are way too lazy to do the work involved so they just accept what they are told and regurgitate it without actual facts or with the lamest of evidence to support their beliefs. It is these people who are referred to as those who build their houses where the winds would blow them away, and those who store up their wealth where moths would eat it. But I bet you would claim those analogies apply more to me, the unbeliever. And I am certain I can not compel you to consider that you could be wrong. You most likely believe I am the antichrist, and by doing as I suggest, I lead you to hell. That is the power your beliefs have over you. You beliefs stop you from considering what ever contradicts the beliefs you so dearly hang on to..

I've checked the Greek on this subject and presented what I found. To begin with, the word "theos" is not from the earliest texts but a transliteration of the Greek. A "transliteration is a type of conversion of a text from one script to another", and in transliterating the Greek Scripture an interpretation was imposed on it either in error or intentionally. Considering the Greek of Scripture is not the Greek of today, this was inevitable. In it's original form, it just about makes very little sense as I've shown in my post on the subject.

If the original had been clear on the divinity of Jesus, there wouldn't have been the constant arguments about it going on even before he died. But there are, and a person who wishes to know, as opposed to believing whatever pleases them, can go do some research and study to determine, or at least, learn about it. But that is not what a religious believer would do, being so vested in what they believe. You clearly show this error when you claim "the Bible is the authority". I beg to differ. I would claim the Holy Spirit is of greater authority. It does after all hold precedence over the Bible. And it is said to give the ability to discern.

Anyway, I enjoyed reading this thread, considering the evidence and arguments presented. It's not often one gets to read such intelligent stuff as this on here so I thank you for your effort and time.

The following didn't happen to Buhari:

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A world without religion would be a world without people. For as long as people exist, they will create 'cultural systems of designated behaviors and practices, world views, texts, sanctified places, prophecies, ethics, or organizations, that relates humanity to supernatural, transcendental, or spiritual elements'.

The only way to eliminate 'designated behaviors and practices, world views, texts, sanctified places, prophecies, ethics, or organizations', would be to eliminate humanity itself so that no one exists to consider anything to be 'supernatural, transcendental, or spiritual'. After all animals don't seem to spend time on those things.

Human existence however is way too interesting for me to wish to eliminate myself, or other people, for that matter. So, religion is something I'll put up with, I'm afraid, as it helps humans to transcend.

Lirqur:
Now Allah knowing that the charm of a lady is powerful enough to mislead a man into doing the wrong thing, (Rape, lustful looking, etc) decreed the burqah for muslimahs in other to cover not only her dignity but to cover the sexual appeal of females.

If a man cannot control himself, wouldn't a more competent allah just not have changed man's nature so he behaves a little better than a beast with "insected eyes"? Or would a less stupid allah not have devised the woman so she is less powerful in her appeals? In fact, couldn't the man and woman have been created without these issues in the first place. After all, apart from dogs perhaps, most animals have much better control of their urges, and despite the fact that their females walk around with naked appeal! Were they not created by Allah?

No, I do not agree that any allah could possibly be this incompetent and stupid to have created a man as a beast with "insected eyes" and the woman with appeal to lure him with only a flimsy hijab to stop him and to protect her! Allah is said to be all wise and merciful and cannot do the things that you describe above! This hijab malarkey is the devise of men who lack self control, act like beasts, and wish to justify their exploitation of women by claiming the fault is their stupid allah's.

Thankfully, today, most men have evolved to the point that even naked women on a beach is not seen as an invitation to rape. Allah, itself, must have evolved. Society at least has. For there aren't many places on earth where a man can use 'female appeal' or "insected eyes" as defence against rape and get away with it!

dalaman:
When it comes to religious faith, believing is seeing but in any other thing seeing is believing.

Ain't that amazing. Scammers and fraudsters use that idea, that "believing is seeing". Might explain why our people get exploited so easily. If anyone teaches people that, it can only be to make them gullible and exploitable!

Primesky:
God is not the author of confusion, so what happened?

If you check the original text, you'd find it is pretty confusing. So if what you've written up there, that "God is not the author of confusion", is true, then God could not have written the text being discussed. Someone, or something else, must have written it.

I'd go for the 'someone'.

Primesky:
Jesus Christ is not God the Father, so who is He?

A very intelligent and wise person. So intelligent and wise that people made him into a God.

It's a faith thing. You need to believe it's there in order to see it. Amazingly, since it's the I Am that I Am, whatever one sees is exactly what it is.

Good thing the atheists shine their eyes. Makes them not make things up in their heads too often.

OneJ:
That's a very candid conclusion based on rigorous investigation & research to unearth the facts.
All in all, u can't find the Trinity in the scriptures unless U twist ,distort& make dubious additions ("I am" the father the son the holy ghost are one" but authentic reading in Exodus 3:14 is : "I will be what I will be" ;
1Tim3:16, he was manifest in the flesh"; 1John5:7," there are three that testify" & many others which were "sweetened " to make the Trinity popular. Shalom.

That's my opinion too. The question then is, 'why?'

I accept muttley. Holla, for christsakes! In camera if it pleases you.

OneJ:
The Greek manuscript is in lowercase.
The Greek manuscript transliteration of John 1:1 word for word, Greek to English can be Sourced from "John 1:1 wikipedia".
The Apostle John in John 1:1 never said " the word is the god" (Almighty Father). That's the unpopular truth that Trinitarian folks can not admit.

If one goes to the ancient texts, and if one were to honestly be open, one would question just about every translation as quite a lot of political license must have gone into making it at all readable. Some of the language it's written in didn't even exist anymore so how they determined what it meant is, well.....

I take the Judaic and Islamic position on the trinitarian issue myself. A jealous god would not be coequalling with anything, and it's rather ridiculous to assume gods, that don't exist in the first place, have children!

The twisting of the texts used to justify the deification of Jesus is very lame. You just have to wonder why his brothers James, Joses, Jude and Simon, and his unnamed sister are not gods too!

Which leaves one conclusion. Jesus was at best, a very wise man who taught people how to live better lives. He was so profound in his days that people bowed down and worshipped him just as some worship the Adeboyes, Oyedepos, Kumuyis and Copelands of today. Making them gods though contravenes the commandment not to worship any other gods but me!

vaxx:
You are actually talking to yourself but you will not admit. that quote remain sensible. If you don't believe in GOD, you believe all sorts of nonsense in stead. GOD is according to Occam's razor, evolution and abiogenesis are not. It's as simple as that.

Are you serious? Aje ke lano, omo ku loni is Occam's razor too, and we, least quite many of us, now know how stupid that is!

Regardless, Chesterton never said anything of the sort, so let's just accept that's your opinion, shall we!

vaxx:
"When people stop believing in God, they don't believe in nothing -- they believe in anything." -- GK Chesterton

I just wish that when people post this meaningless crap they'd do some research first, or at least, think a little. If it were true, wouldn't Yahweh atheist believe in Orunmila, or Sango, or fairies at the bottom of gardens, for that matter?

Here's a little link to what the The American Chesterton Society has to say about it in case you care.

MuttleyLaff:
Let me know if you accept and agree to having it done in camera, then I'll holler you, in camera there, what the terms are.

budaatum:
Post your terms and arrangements in the more than one way camera please and stop the wriggling. I would love to have Bible verses to wave in front of the anti-gay brigade.

Hollad! Again!

Post reinstated.
https://www.nairaland.com/4429818/take-doctrine-trinity-those-saying/7#69263799

I read wiki twice Peaceful. I don't think it's quite conclusive on the subject. And I doubt wiki will be accepted as word of god by religious people. So I went to the Septuagint and the New Testament in Greek, and not as transliterated! Did a detailed post on it but it got caught by spambot for some reason and I got banned.

I compared the word used for God in John 1 (not the one I used, but this is even better as it explains more), with that used in Genesis 1 (we at least know which God was meant there), and found no difference in the two. Turns out the same Greek word can be translated to either 'god' or 'God'. But I'd need a second opinion on that as I might be wrong.

I've asked the mods if they can retrieve the post as I doubt I can repeat the amount of work it took.

Peacefullove:
Just a Google search would have saved this kind of questions , worse still if you have educate yourself from that Wikipedia page discussing this same John 1 vs 1


From the page, here are some versions where Theo's is translated as a god .



"and the Word was a god" – The Monotessaron; or, The Gospel History According to the Four Evangelists



"and the Word was a god" – A Literal Translation of the New Testament ( (J. S. Thompson, 1829)

Check for more and enlighten yourself on that pg

nd we already acknowledged it can translated like that

shaybebaby:
Yes ke! Can you access your mail? I'll holla.

Holla!

MuttleyLaff:
Now that the memory has been refreshened.

Budaatum, we have, our more than one way, means, of reaching each other in camera,
so just tell, if you're OK with the arrangement, then after that, I'll advise you of the term(s)

All this story just to inform me of terms again muttley! You tire me.

Post your terms and arrangements in the more than one way camera please and stop the wriggling. I would love to have Bible verses to wave in front of the anti-gay brigade.

dominique:
P5w centre.

Sorry to derail. I did email mods. And I asked for the post to be reinstated, but got no response.

Quite a lot of research went into that post, so if you could, I'd be most obliged.

shaybebaby:
Hey yo buda, what you doing Friday? Let me buy you a pint.

A whole pint! You're on.

Seems from the religious section only!

The gods must be angry at me!

So, how does this spamthing work?

I'm been banned!

OneJ:
The Greek manuscript is in lowercase.
The Greek manuscript transliteration of John 1:1 word for word, Greek to English can be Sourced from "John 1:1 wikipedia".
The Apostle John in John 1:1 never said " the word is the god" (Almighty Father). That's the unpopular truth that Trinitarian folks can not admit.

I already read wiki on the topic. That's why I asked how theos in Genesis 1:1 is translated. Is it with a small g or a capital one? We at least know which god is meant there. It is not however its transliterated form (theos, theon) that is of question here.

The following is John 1:1-2 from a Greek bible. I have enboldened the word that has been transliterated to theos and translated to either god or God.

11Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος. 2οὗτος ἦν ἐν ἀρχῇ πρὸς τὸν θεόν.

The letter θ looks like a capital letter to me. However, wherever that letter occurs, it is of the same size (ἄνθρωπος, ἀληθινόν, ἔμπροσθέν), so perhaps its not capital after all. But then, look at the beginning of verse 2 where it says οὗτος. The initial letter there does not look like its capitalised. So, might the entire text have been written in small letters?

The same source translates it as follows:

1 In the beginning the word, and the word to the god, and to thee the word. 2 O God in the beginning before the god.

I do wonder why a capital God is used in the first verse, and a small one in the second when the Greek has θεόν in both cases.

And here is Genesis 1:1-5 from the Septuagint. Where the same form is used, albeit with a slight variation.

1 ἐν ἀρχῇ ἐποίησεν ὁ θεὸς τὸν οὐρανὸν καὶ τὴν γῆν
2 ἡ δὲ γῆ ἦν ἀόρατος καὶ ἀκατασκεύαστος καὶ σκότος ἐπάνω τῆς ἀβύσσου καὶ πνεῦμα θεοῦ ἐπεφέρετο ἐπάνω τοῦ ὕδατος
3 καὶ εἶπεν ὁ θεός γενηθήτω φῶς καὶ ἐγένετο φῶς
4 καὶ εἶδεν ὁ θεὸς τὸ φῶς ὅτι καλόν καὶ διεχώρισεν ὁ θεὸς ἀνὰ μέσον τοῦ φωτὸς καὶ ἀνὰ μέσον τοῦ σκότους
5 καὶ ἐκάλεσεν ὁ θεὸς τὸ φῶς ἡμέραν καὶ τὸ σκότος ἐκάλεσεν νύκτα καὶ ἐγένετο ἑσπέρα καὶ ἐγένετο πρωί ἡμέρα μία

Note that the same θεὸς is used for both 'Lord' and 'God'. Also note the variation, θεοῦ, in the second verse.

It is translated as:

1 In archῇ he created the God the uranium and the earth
2 or not land not invisible and unmade and dark Top of the abyss and spirit God epefereto UP OF WATER
3 And said, O Lord Let there be light and Done Light
4 and saw O God the light that good and diechorisen The god per means of light and every means of dark
5 and ekalesen The god the light day and the darkness ekalesen overnight and was performed Esperion and was made the morning day one

Note the small letter used in verses 4 and 5!

brojoshua:
Do you not know that the ways those false pastors are living, collecting all the money that the people have and sitting on it, promising their deceived followers that they will make more money with easy and miraculously, and the ways the wicked leaders and rulers are ruling the country and are living extravagantly, are what are forcing many people out of the country and into slavery. Those false prophets united with the wicked leaders to wreck the country and even received part of looted money

Was that not what the religious leaders and Roman leaders were doing and which made Christ claim "you ask for bread but they give you stone" . Yet they will shout "Jesus is Lord" but continue worshipping the Pharisees!

They should continue giving them their money please. When hungry catch them tire they hopefully will open their eyes!

Peacefullove:
Glad you have realized your earlier mistake of saying Theo's is corrupt if translated ' a god'

Likewise, at John 1:1 those who didn't capitalize Theo's are right because Jesus is not the God . he is a son of the God, the God is the God of Jesus himself @bold

Could you show where Theos is translated as 'god' in John 1:1 please? I have not found it anywhere.