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Passovile:I think we flew. Like, on a plane. Though, now you make me wonder that they didn't walk all the way to Russia! |
Daeylar:Because we are generous!? |
Well. At least we scored first. ![]() |
Sirfeeking:You seen their wings already? |
Go homeboys! Homeboys go!! |
superhumanist:They can't admit what they do not know, and really, they don't know. They believe that inner voice they hear is the voice of their god, when it really is their own self's telling them what they wish to hear. If only they would mind their tendency to be confirmatorily biased. A fault that highly encouraged in Christianity, and adopted by some, is the fact that everything is down to God for them. So whatever is achieved is because of God, which does not allow recognition of personal effort and reduces the need to value the individual person, as the "spirit of God in the person" is all they need recognise. Pity is that it reduces the need for individuals to take responsibility for their existence. |
I see I'm repeating myself! budaatum:How's your girl? She still putting up with you? |
O! Your "carefully considered interpretation" may be wrong, but instead of admitting it, you continue with your baseless lies, but, I must keep my cool? Please start your first post in the Gospel of John thread with the first chapter. I would not want a single chapter wasted. ScienceWatch: |
Listen to your self, shameless you. There was only one rule on The Gospel according to John thread sc. Its sole purpose was so the person mentioned in the op minded their stupidity and trolling, which they are very well known for, and which gets in the way of conversation way more intelligent than that which the mentioned is capable of. Now all of a sudden, "I will blow your warped mind". I lol and kmt at the same time. budaatum:I dare you to come on my Gospel of John thread sc! ScienceWatch: |
ScienceWatch:My response is already detailed here, and kept being reiterated in that thread. Go read. |
ScienceWatch:"Millions of innocent, kind and loving people" do not revere your version of god, sc, even though you think you've hidden your very disgusting version under the guise of the Christian God. As to the Scriptures being holy, while I have seen a lot of people who read those Scriptures and have seemed to be holy from their reading, I can't see anything about you and your sort that points to anything anyone would consider holy. I'll let vaxx deal with your lies about a clash with him. |
ScienceWatch:Quite a lot of people on this forum enjoy their relationship with their God without it being impacted by whatever anyone else says, thinks or believes. Most of them go about loving their fellow human beings unlike you who's sole reason for existing is to lie, rant and rave against atheists as if their opinion actually murders your god, which is why you end up reaping the exact hatred that you sow from the abundance of your heart. Your defence of your hatred and your hateful god, deserve nothing less than insults, mockery and ridicule, and if I were you, I'd of taken that god of hatred of yours to the bottom of the river and bashed it's head in and gotten a better god by now, or even just adopted the God Yahweh as my god. But I guess your god of lies, hatred and deceit has so much of a hold on you that you can't possibly abandon it for a loving version despite the so called blood of Christ that is said to have been freely shed for you. |
ScienceWatch:Sciencewatch, you are a liar! |
budaatum:I'm aware this had no impact on you when first posted and I hardly expect it to have any impact now, so let's assume I am reminding myself of how much of an utter waste of time you are! |
ScienceWatch:All you do is lie and peddle ignorance, and you've left a long trail behind you as evidence. It is a pity that those lies are in defence of your version of god. It either approves of your lies or it is a rather corrupted god, dare I say. Either ways, not one worthy of the time of anyone with an ounce of a brain. As to your mental illness, perhaps stick to the thread generously created for you to exhibit your ways. |
ScienceWatch:You always lie sc. You did exactly the same with your fake 22 year study that never materialised, that I now wonder if truly, its hardwired into you to lie, for not one single word of truth spews forth from your mind. |
ScienceWatch:All you've done here is peddle lies only to eventually concede with more lies that you don't know what you were doing! Did your inner voice stay silent while you were lying, I wonder! Perhaps stick to your common knowledge, but understand why. It might help you develop, grow and evolve, and perhaps enable you to understand the meaning of "Thou shalt not bear false witness". |
MuttleyLaff:Some people do deify their inner voice muttley. It is called the "Voice of God" by some, which is deification even though its been demoted to "Holy Spirit" in Christianity. MuttleyLaff:One's conscious self talks to the, usually, externally projected self, is how I'd put it. The projected self is what some call their conscience, inner voice, critical inner voice, auditory hallucinations, God, gods, angels Gabriel, Michael etc, voice within, inner light, Socrates' "daimōnic sign", Voice of God, Holy Spirit, and so on. Some, like me, just admit that, "I am talking to myself". MuttleyLaff:When people go to church, muttley, they hear a sermon. That sermon is usually a moral lesson, as in, "this is the proper, Christian, way to behave". I am currently working through a Gospel, and it does seem to be replete with stories that teach morality too. I assert from the above, and that parents teach their children so they do not become evil, that Conscience is acquired by being taught and learned, even since you claim it is the "capacity to know right from wrong", which I believe, is acquired through learning, and a whole heap of teaching, and forcing, even. One acquires morals (right and wrong) from being taught, and one's being taught, and learning, is what enables one to acquire the "capacity" to make moral choices, I would have you consider. One could claim the learning through the years hardwires it in eventually, but one does not begin with any knowledge of right or wrong, or a conscience, hardwired in from birth, is my view. MuttleyLaff:Muttley! You are the one who took up position in support of ”... moral prewired into their DNA" , a statement which stands in opposition to mine and which I have elaborated on above. If you disagreed with it, then I wonder why you never took it up with the person who wrote it but chose to engage with my rebuttal of it instead. Might it be the same reason as when you claimed one can't judge them? Or perhaps you just missed it? I have repeatedly asked a question similar, if not exactly the same as, "If moral were prewired, why does the bible bother advising teaching them to our kids right from when they are young?" So I ask again, why did you not ask that of the person who said it was hardwired? Go read through the thread before making allegations a la sc, it is unbecoming and morally wrong and I know your inner voice agrees with me. I, after all, have taught you that buda does not lie! And kindly mention me when you find who said their "morals are hardwired into their dna"! I would like to see how you engage with it. But while you're at it, be reminded that, first, below is you saying what I consider to be "conscience is hardwired in", within the context that you appear to have dived into, but do let me know if my understanding is wrong. And second, note my objections to this view as stated above. MuttleyLaff:If it is instinctive, some would claim that is hardwired. A position I disagree with, so you know my stance. |
MuttleyLaff:I don't deify it is all since it is rather limited in what it has to say. Or have you not noticed it talks with one's own voice, and can be deceived to say what one wishes to hear? As I mentioned earlier, people never seem to rely on their morality being prewired, which is why quite a lot of prophets, holy people, ones parents as well as one's community, expend a lot of effort teaching morals. I am certain you would teach your kids morals too, but now I wonder why you'd bother if it is already prewired into their dna. |
ScienceWatch:'Chanting', 'talking to spirits', 'waking people up', sc? I will, from now on, pay better attention to your inability to read. |
ScienceWatch:You are a common peddler of untruths sc. Where in that story did I claim to chant or call on spiritual entities in the middle of the night to intervene in the affairs of the village, you dishonest prat?! Here, is a link that should help disabuse you of your lying tendencies. |
ScienceWatch:Where did I tell you any of these lies you're peddling sc? How does an atheist call on "spiritual entities" ? |
MuttleyLaff:I do wish everyone had this small inner voice you mention, but that just isn't the case. Lots of people don't have any such voice and some people's just talks crap. But since you appear to have placed even my voice amongst the latter, I guess I'm done here. |
omenka:Nope, religion has not been behind ... . You and your sneaky question, "some of" !? That doesn't have a meaning! Still, religion has not been behind the "greatest crimes against humanity we've witnessed". No religion has ever killed anyone. It is humans who are behind the greatest crimes, and achievements, we've ever witnessed. Some just sometimes chose god as their preferred weapon is all. |
ScienceWatch:butter confessed he has a double-barrelled gun that shoots both ends. I did suggest he get a mirror so he can see himself, but we all know how butter refuses to learn, because it's all, 'hardwired into his dna from the start'. Besides, he's hardly going to take advice from atheist buda. If he did, both of you would see that not only is Harry Potter religion, but it specifically is Christian religion. Harry Potter is followed by house-elves and goblins — not disciples — but for the sharp-eyed reader, the biblical parallels are striking. Author J.K. Rowling's "Harry Potter" books have always, in fact, dealt explicitly with religious themes and questions, but until "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows," they had never quoted any specific religion. But what else should be expected from those who think they shoot their opposer when in fact, they only accomplish their very own demise. One can clearly see why the JK says: "I go to church myself," she declared. "I don't take any responsibility for the lunatic fringes of my own religion." JK Rowling |
MuttleyLaff:The human race is replete with occasions where the human conscience failed in its instinctive duty then it would seem. The Aztec sincerely believed it was right and proper to sacrifice thousands of humans to their gods. The conscience of slave raiders do not seem to have persuaded them to abolish slavery, and the looters of Nigeria must not have consciences, or instincts, and most definitely not, morals! MuttleyLaff:Conscience actually evolved into being. Primitive humans hardly exhibited it, and relied more on consequence than anything else. The reason one ape does not steal your banana or wife is for fear of what you'd do if you caught it. You should see how apes fornicate sneakily when chief ape isn't watching or becomes too old to do anything about it. MuttleyLaff:Or that voice could be saying crap, like, "get a gun, go to a high school, shoot people, they don't deserve to live". Or, " atheist are stupid", as one persons 'still small voice' recently claimed. |
winner01:Humans have a disposition to believe what they wish to believe, actually, and not just in the supernatural. Believing, however, is not the great virtue religion makes it out to be and one just needs to consider the numerous beliefs that have been held to be true but that have been detrimental to human existence. Much better than believing is actual knowing. And if I were Christian or a Muslim, I would be insulting my God by claiming I believe in God. Personally, I would claim "I know God" instead, and to hell with anyone who claims I don't know my god! winner01:If this were true, then consider what I said above,. Why 'believe', if you 'know' ? Surely you have been given sufficient abilities (limited, as you claim they may be), to find out, especially considering how "overwhelming" you claim the evidence is? winner01:I can understand why you claim atheism requires faith. And I agree with you. An atheist has to have faith in ones fellow human being, for instance, that just because another worships a god, that don't necessarily make them bad people. An atheist has to have faith that if she goes about being nice and kind to others, goodness and mercy would go with her always, but that there is no god to ultimately reward that good. And of course everyone eventually realises that those who are nasty to others would receive opprobrium from those they are nasty too. Funny enough, church, is where I got to learn and understand 'faith'. Turns out I now have so much of it that church people say I border on the edge of arrogance, and I agree. After all, if Christ shed blood for me, as they claim, that must make me super special, and goddamn me if despite that shedding, I were to live in fear! winner01:"Christianity practiced today is true" ? That would depend on where one looks. I do doubt Christ would approve of the wealth flaunting of some Christians. He might just tell people to sell all they have and give it to the poor! winner01:This change in attitude is what has allowed more people to speak out against false doctrines, and ensured outright rejection, as in the case of the atheist. I personally am delighted that these sort of discussions go on, though I do wish we could apply more intelligence whilst discussing. But I have faith. I doubt many could claim they learn nothing by engaging with people of other religions on here, though I do admit that some are so rigid that they learn nothing. winner01:And that is the same thing that piqued my interest in religions, on the whole. My conclusion however, is that religion acts as a placebo whereby people convince themselves of a salvation they forever remain uncertain about despite their "blessed assurance". As I once said, do I go tell Margaret to abandon her faith and become an atheist? What good would that serve Me, or Margaret? winner01:I dislike " innatism" with a passion. I once had someone inform me that playing the piano was an innate ability, and Mozart and Beckham were the example given. The fact however is that if neither of them put the work in to learn and hone their skills, neither would be known today. There is no inherent need to evangelise, is actually the truth, and the only reason to evangelise is to increase the number of people on ones side. Unfortunately, my atheism is academic, as in it has developed through intellectual exercise. To convert you to it would involve quite a lot of indoctrinating you, which I cannot do since there really is no gain for me in converting you. And, it would involve immense time sacrifice on your part, which honestly, I can't advocate that you take on as it would come at a huge cost to you. Besides, Margaret...... But, back to the default position. It really is simple and plain ignorance. Humans know absolutely nothing when they come out of their mothers'. In fact, they do not even know how to breath, and have to learn it in the first few seconds of being born. It is why babies cry when they are born. The cry is the first act of exhaling. We go on and fill children with stuff and claim it was innate, is the truth. You just watch Mozart develop in some rural village where there's no piano! Or try not teaching your children maths or morals hoping the ability to perform calculus or love their fellow human being, is innate. |
MuttleyLaff:So, morality is not a learned thing, according to you, and the verses quoted? MuttleyLaff:Are you saying consciousness, morality and one's success are hardwired? Do you mean they are determined before one is actually born? MuttleyLaff:Do you mean by this that a bad conscience, as in one that may not see murder as bad, can be hardwired into one before birth? Or that they lost the good consciousness that was hardwired and a new but bad one replaced it? |
What!? You afraid of Harry? I am rather not surprised since you are exactly what he fought against. Joyfully, you've got this promoted where you'd only just further ridicule yourself. |
Butterflyleo:butter, please, where did you show me the above? I don't think I saw it. Welcome to the sub/obj thread. |
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