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Christianity Etc › Re: "Ideas Bring More Riches Than Tithes, Japan Is A Proof" - Reno Omokri by budaatum: 12:55pm On Jul 09, 2018

Proffdada:
you mean wrong doctrines. Religion has improved development in different ways you can't discern

Indeed it has. The deception is so endemic that it can't but eventually open peoples' eyes.

Praise the Lord God Almighty people!

Christianity Etc › Re: "Ideas Bring More Riches Than Tithes, Japan Is A Proof" - Reno Omokri by budaatum: 12:51pm On Jul 09, 2018

oyetunder:
But America was founded by Christians and built on its values. Britain too reached its peak as an anglican Nation. But why is it they you wiser people are just attacking religion and you can't show us your personal achievements for us to learn?

You suggesting all the free labour they got from black slaves amounts to nothing?

Let's pay workers in Nigeria nothing and see how rich we get too!

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Christianity Etc › Re: "Ideas Bring More Riches Than Tithes, Japan Is A Proof" - Reno Omokri by budaatum: 12:35pm On Jul 09, 2018

ibur3:
So tithe is now the major problem in a countrywhere people are dying on a daily basis SMH

Yes actually, it is. Invest your ten per cent in change you wish to see and see the transformation you bring about.

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Christianity Etc › Re: "Ideas Bring More Riches Than Tithes, Japan Is A Proof" - Reno Omokri by budaatum: 12:31pm On Jul 09, 2018

thesicilian:
Let he who wants to pay tithes do so and he who doesn't want to, be left alone. We have more important issues plaguing this country than tithes and offerings.

Hmm, I wonder! Imagine if that tithe was paid as tax to the government. I am certain by now we would be holding them to better account for the use of our hard earned money. Or imagine that ten percent were invested in stock. Companies would have to reform to pay you a decent return on your investment.

I am so sorry, but tithe payers have to be educated to choose the right use for their money!

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Christianity Etc › Re: How Do I Correct An Atheist Brother? by budaatum: 12:25pm On Jul 09, 2018

RuthlessLeader:
I can't take advice from him. Did you see the rubbish he was posting on politics section? The guy is too delusional for his own good. I pity his family and friends

Neither can I, to be honest. But sometimes worthy advice comes out of an ass.

I went to visit ma yesterday. She rhetorically asked me if a buried corpse can sustain a fetus for 4 months. Apparently, there's a whatsapp thingy going around claiming a dead Muslim woman gave birth four months after being buried and some folks at a party she was at were claiming it's true, and Allah akbar!

Ma said she couldn't keep quiet and it turned into a full blown argument with the majority insisting it had happened, and ma, a retired maternity, orthopaedic, theatre and general nurse arguing against it.

I informed ma that dad had once advised me not to argue with fools. For those passing by might not be able to identify the fool. I also informed her how hard it is not to argue with them most times! We are both working hard at it.

No I didn't read what he posted in the politics section. Was it you who tagged me to come get him? sad

Christianity Etc › Re: How Do I Correct An Atheist Brother? by budaatum: 12:04pm On Jul 09, 2018

RuthlessLeader:
Your clown in chief butterflyliar has told you to stop engaging atheist.

I'm beginning to wonder if butter's advise would not better serve atheists, especially on a thread like this.

Christianity Etc › Re: How Do I Correct An Atheist Brother? by budaatum: 12:00pm On Jul 09, 2018

edicied:
most people don't like being told what to do whether religious or not. All the op can do is to advice him.

Or, show him.

Christianity Etc › Re: How Do I Correct An Atheist Brother? by budaatum: 11:57am On Jul 09, 2018

JeromeBlack:
Thank you for this wonderful comment.

I was also thinking of ignoring the whole matter. I just wanted to see other people's opinion on the matter. It is so sad that the only atheist we have at work is misbehaving.

I am jokingly accusing you of being a liar since I know you don't mean to. Fact is, there is at least one more atheist at work. Though, perhaps that atheist might not be working!

Yes, ignorant people might think the arrogance and womanising is due to the first atheist's atheism, but the other atheist, who appears to not have those diseases, has a great opportunity to show that those diseases are not atheistic diseases but the person's diseases.

So, shine your light second atheist, and everything else HopefulL said.

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Christianity Etc › Re: My Take On The Doctrine Of Trinity And Those Saying Jesus Is God Almighty! by budaatum: 11:39am On Jul 09, 2018

Peacefullove:
Continue to expose your ignorance

Is it wrong for a bible translator to translate Theo's as , ' a god ' ?

Yes now! It is wrong!

Doesn't "Theos" translate to "God"?

Christianity Etc › Re: 30 Keys To Being An Effective Atheist by budaatum(op): 9:53pm On Jul 07, 2018

budaatum:
M. James says:

A impressionable young atheist was having an attack of conscience and started questioning his faith in science so he wrote to a well-know atheist and asked him for some advice about living out his beliefs as an atheist. The young atheist received this reply to his question 'How can I be an effective atheist?'

1. Make sure your main focus is on Christians. You can 'touch' on other groups to appear even-handed, but ensure you are careful to make Christians your constant target; you don't want to get killed in a Jihad, do you? So only 'mention' the others such as Islam but then say that there is no difference between radical Muslims and 'fundamentalist' Christians.

2. Remember that you are looking for faults in other religions (Christians) not trying to defend yours so do not try to prove atheism! Remember, it's much easier to destroy than build up.

3. When referring to atheists always use power-filled terms like 'intelligent, educated, thinkers, strong minded and independent.'

4. Ensure you call Christians childish degrading names like, pathetic air-heads, pointless God-bother-er's, deluded bible kissers and insult them with statements which include the terms like ignorant, clueless, uneducated. The goal here is to provoke and frustrate the Christian to the point they become angry, then, you can then claim they are a hypocrite for not being 'loving like Jesus.'

5. Always talk about just being a good person remembering that, 'good' is relative to each people and culture, just like cannibals who say 'I really enjoyed eating Bill last night, he was really 'good', or paedophiles saying 'they love little Janet, she was so 'good' or Hitler saying that killing Jews is 'good.' You are allowed to define 'good' however you would like because there is no higher authority to define what 'good' is. No one can set the objective moral standard as that would put them in the place of thinking they are 'god.'

6. Be sure to set your own moral standards and compass very, very, very low so that you'll never look like a hypocrite in public. The lower the better.

7. Be as argumentative, obnoxious, loud, sarcastic and verbal as possible - there is no need to make sense or use logic in your arguments - just keep arguing.

8. Use words like 'straw-man,' 'circular reasoning,' 'ad hominem,' 'fallacy,' 'red herring' and 'non sequiturs' against any argument which reveals the false claims of atheism whether you understand those terms or not.

9. Never answer any justified question directly but quickly change the subject to make a completely different point. If you're asked why you keep changing the subject just repeat this step as necessary.

10. Always bring up examples like the spaghetti monster, Zeus, and Santa Claus to prove that if you must believe in one God then you have to believe in all of them, right?!

11. Always ask for 'evidence' for the existence of God but never accept anything presented to you especially when you are told that God is a Spirit so you can not perceive Him with the physical senses or with any physical equipment. Also ignore the reply that 'God is God and he does not need to 'prove' himself to his creation, we are to answer to Him, He does not answer to us!' At the end of a discussion remind them that all you needed was some type of 'evidence' for God.

12. Use the Christian crusades, the Salem witch hunts, and the Inquisition which happened hundreds of years ago to 'prove' how bad 'religion' is for the world.

13. Use steps 7 through 9 to get away from any historical facts of all the good that the various Christian charities have done around the world through the centuries.

14. Express disinterest and laugh out loud at the question "Isn't it amazing that Christians continue to preach love and forgiveness to the world given the historical fact atheists have committed the most ongoing blatant atrocities against Christians. Shouldn't these Christians, 'who you claim are the problem,' in retribution, have wiped atheists from the face of the earth for the crimes atheists have committed against Christians, rather than continue to preach love, acceptance and tolerate you.

15. Blindly ignore any questions about millions of Christians being killed by atheists in the last 200 years, but if questions persist claim that this was NOT done 'in the name' of atheism , which makes it alright. Failing this, refer to steps 7 through 9, this should get you past any awkward questions about atheists who are guilty of crimes against humanity, human genocide and ethnic cleansing.

16. Remember to call yourself a "free-thinker" and "open-minded" but ensure you do not practice what you preach with such 'virtues' when it comes to Christianity. Being open-minded with Christians is not an option available to the atheists as this would open a can of worms we do not want to get into, you must understand that you are not 'free-to-think' that 'there is a God.'

17. Try to laugh out loud or make some disparaging noise every time a Christian makes a statement about what they believe, even if you don't think it is funny or you don't know what they are talking about or you may think they have a good point just try to make them look stupid with your laugh or disrespectful noise.

18. Claim that atheism is for intelligent people who are rooted in "rational, reasonable common sense" thinking even though you can not provide any 'rational, reasonable common sense' explanation for the existence of matter or the cause of the ignition of 'life' or our existence, ignore the fact that less than 10% of the human population claim to be atheists and then use steps 7 through 9 to get away from the question: "what does that say about the other 90% of humanity?"

19. Confess to everyone that you were once a Christian but you saw that all Christians were just hypocrites and realised that reasonable scientific, rational, logical investigation is the only way to truly understand the world we live in.
Note: Ignore the hypocrisy in your own life when you pray in troubled times!

20. Refuse to accept or believe anything in the Bible because it was written by MEN.

21. Believe and quote other writings of MEN to prove that the Bible is wrong.
Note: completely ignore the inconsistency between steps 20 & 21

22. When referring to the Bible use the words 'myth,' 'fables,' 'fairytales,' 'ideas' and 'opinions' as often as possible.
Note: Ignore the question or use steps 7 to 9 to answer the question 'don't you believe your books and writings of science written by men just like we believe our Bible which was written by men?"

23. Only use the Bible as the authority when it will advance the atheist religion and will contribute to the atheist dogmas and doctrines. Ignore the question 'You have quoted the bible as evidence, so if the bible is true in one place the entire bible must be true, so what about the scripture that says, YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN or THE LORD IS GOOD AND HIS MERCY ENDURES FOREVER or WHERE GOD REVEALS HIS MERCIFUL NATURE WHEN HE SENT JONAH AND SPARED THE EVIL CITY OF NINEVEH?'

24. Only quote the Bible verses that put God in a bad light, make sure every scripture quoted makes God look like a mean, unfair judge and never ever allow anyone to quote scriptures which show Him in the positive light of a loving heavenly father.

25. Tell everyone you have read the Bible and that you understand what it teaches whether you have or have not, even if you have only read the parts which support your argument and the atheistic religion, you have still 'read the bible,' right!?

26. Refer to step 7 through 9 when once you have stated that the problem in the world is religion, but it is then pointed out to you that atheism is a religion its self with it's own evangelical preachers who preach their own doctrines based on their own bible called 'The origins of the species.'

27. Reject all notions that you live by faith even though you must put your faith in the writings of your own atheist high priests and gurus like Darwin, Dawkins, Harris, Hitchens and Atkins and any other book that supports your 'beliefs.' Yes we put our faith in pilots, cars, food, doctors, evolution, and the next chair that you sit in but ignore this obvious flaw in our doctrine as well.

28. Make the claim that you only have one life and don't want to waste it on religion, then ignore your own hypocrisy by living out your own self-serving religion of atheism.

29. If your conscience begins to bother you because of moral guilt you can numb it with arrogance, self-deception, self- importance, judgement of the 'religious' (Christians) people, delusions of NO coming judgement and if this fails try some drugs, alcohol, sex, rape, murder whatever you feel like, remember, 'good' is relative and you only have one life, so live it, best of all there is no hell, right?

30. If doing the drugs and stuff does not appeal to you and you want to appear as a 'morally' upstanding person of the community, don't do the all those things but never let go of your self righteous arrogance and pride. It is this pride that will get you through many a hard times when you are struggling with a question of conscience and of your atheistic faith.

errr, ummm , just in a final note, you never know, so just is case, every day , thank God for the free-will he has given you to express your religion of atheism as-you-see-fit, there just maybe hell to pay but ignore that reality and replace it with your own atheistic reality , for now, any-way, maybe?!

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist Finds Refuge, Peace With Christ. Hallelujah! by budaatum: 9:49pm On Jul 07, 2018

Oh shush it. Whimpering like you need some accolades!

Accolades from you are toxic and detrimental. It still was a rather very good post.

Christianity Etc › Re: How Oxford And Peter Singer Drove Me From Atheism To Jesus by budaatum: 9:46pm On Jul 07, 2018

ScienceWatch:
I noticed that you changed my post to make it seem like I actually said that.

Changed your post?!

Must we teach you not to lie!

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist Finds Refuge, Peace With Christ. Hallelujah! by budaatum: 6:56pm On Jul 07, 2018

Butterflyleo:
Was your moniker not mentioned as the source? Was it not that mention that brought you here?

No it wasn't, butter! I stumbled across it. But that's beside the point, and you very well know it.

You know the proper way to quote a person on here. I would appreciate it if you go back and edit accordingly.

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist Finds Refuge, Peace With Christ. Hallelujah! by budaatum: 6:33pm On Jul 07, 2018

Butterflyleo:
What other source? If you got it from another source why not post it here.

I got it from you (even if it was as a third party) and I gave you credit for it. If you wish not to accept the credit then quote the original source you got it from that should be pretty easy right?

However, the message is explosive and very correct to the last letter.

Thanks for that piece (even if you were a second hand source)

Oh, the post stands as posted, and I stand by it. Just why wasn't I properly credited for it butter? Or is there no more a standard for crediting a person for their posts?

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist Finds Refuge, Peace With Christ. Hallelujah! by budaatum: 6:14pm On Jul 07, 2018

bennyann:
Was that really from budaatum? Point 16 & 27 caught my attention.

Ask him for sources. Don't just believe him!

Christianity Etc › Re: The Gospel Of John - A Study by budaatum(op): 6:11pm On Jul 07, 2018

John 6

“I am the bread that came down from heaven.”

"What a load of rubbish!" says the atheist. Is there a bakery in heaven now? And what the heck do you mean by "whoever feeds on this bread will live forever”? As if it were being claimed that all those five thousand who were fed in the beginning of the chapter would never die!

Assuming to know better, the Christian will redefine what death means to prove their point, but then go on and perform funerals for their dead whom they bury six feet underground. While completely ignoring the fact that “This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?”

So they say, "believe", for that is why "God so loved the world"! Sounding much like the Queen, I daresay. "You haven't had much practice". Do it for half-an-hour a day. Why, sometimes believe "as many as six impossible things before breakfast. There goes the shawl again!"

And there went the shawl indeed laughed Alice who can't believe impossible things. I share her position. One can indeed not believe impossible things. Not unless one switches off ones senses at least, or if one has not yet abandoned the ways of a child. Yet, it is insisted, and I claim, rightly so at that, that, “I am the bread that came down from heaven". And "Whoever feeds on this bread will live forever”!

So, there's the conundrum. Indeed, it can be claimed that "In beginning was the Word, and the Word was God. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind". But, "believe"? And despite it being written, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent”? It just sounds way too simple to me. And I just don't see the virtue in that, myself. If anything, 'believers' can't have eaten anything from anywhere close to heaven. Besides, does the devil not believe too? How can it then be a virtue? Or shall they, and their devils, not surely die?

“How long will you who are simple love your simple ways? How long will mockers delight in mockery and fools hate knowledge? “I am the bread that came down from heaven” is indeed a hard teaching. But that's no excuse for your simplicity. "Whoever feeds on this bread will live forever”. For, "I am the bread of life!"

Christianity Etc › Re: How Oxford And Peter Singer Drove Me From Atheism To Jesus by budaatum: 4:16pm On Jul 07, 2018

ScienceWatch:
BudaAtum can be viewed at this link.
https://www.nairaland.com/4601231/atheist-finds-refuge-peace-christ#69128077

Sauce please!

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist Finds Refuge, Peace With Christ. Hallelujah! by budaatum: 3:53pm On Jul 07, 2018*

Butterflyleo:
True!

Here is the full list.

And all the points there are very true and totally mirror the atheists on nairaland.

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How dare you quote that list without proper references? Does it not have any? Are you exhibiting your dishonesty, or trying to protect the original poster of it?

Edit and repost appropriate references!!

Christianity Etc › Re: Members Being ‘forced Out’ Of Church Of England For Being Gay by budaatum: 1:49pm On Jul 07, 2018

9inches:
I would have liked to see your comparison between the two countries in terms of protection of the Fundamental (God-given) human rights and the freedoms of their citizens. Do you understand why the 1st and 2nd Amendments are what stood America out as the freest country on earth right now?

I haven't been to America, but from what I hear, people there don't seem to be as free as we here in UK are, we after all have our own version of those amendments beginning with the Magna Carta, or don't you see how the Equality Act 2010 is a modern version of it? Even the police can't harass one on the street, as one is protected, but that's not what I hear about gun-totting cops in the US.

But it seems what you are after is the protection of beliefs and thoughts in one's head, and gods, which, in my opinion, do not need protection. Gods, afterall, can just thunder ones ass if threatened, or can't they!?!

Imagine, for instance, that I hate black or gay people, and wish them all dead. No one could arrest me for that, surely, and wherever I am, I can think what I want. The law, in most countries, would definitely get involved though if I went out there and began killing black and gay people! Same with beliefs. You can believe whatever you want, but you can't go exercising your beliefs if it negatively affects the rights of others. And that's as I would rather it be. Imagine if laws are made to protect religion and gods when the dominant religion and god is mine. Should those laws continue to protect religion and gods when the dominant religion or gods are no longer mine?

America is making an error in thinking their religious laws pertain to the desired religion and gods. Those same laws are what others will use to protect their, sometimes, less desirable religion or gods in due time. France currently has a problem similar to this with its hijab laws. I call it hypocrisy.

Christianity Etc › Re: This Will End Fulani Killings. This Thread Is For Sons Of God Only by budaatum: 9:49pm On Jul 06, 2018

spartan117:
If anyone refuses to work it's because they are lazy, it has nothing to do with Christianity because the bible is very clear on this issue.

There is however a place for prayer and faith. That is why the Christian never loses hope because there is no such thing as hopelessness for the child of God.

Prayers means talking to God, after prayers it's necessary to wait on him in order to hear from him, when you do he gives a specific instruction pertaining to that situation and that guarantees your success.

Sounds pretty much like what happens when I meditate, spartan. My mind searches for and provides solutions. Its usually in the form of some work I have to go off and do. And I hope the work I do solves the issues that confront me, and I have faith that it would because it did in the past, and always has.

Please note back to that "some" in my earlier. It is the practise of "some" that I am against. And those "some" tend to claim they are doing what they consider to be the word of god, or what god told them. I just do not agree that gods are as stupid as some make out. But again, note that "some".

And atheists don't live without hope. No one does, except those who give up.

Christianity Etc › Re: Members Being ‘forced Out’ Of Church Of England For Being Gay by budaatum: 9:34pm On Jul 06, 2018

9inches:
Take a look at these two countries and tell me which one still protects the Freedom of Speech and Religion of its citizens.

UK

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/8353496/Foster-parent-ban-no-place-in-the-law-for-Christianity-High-Court-rules.html

US

https://www.texastribune.org/2017/05/21/senate-passes-religious-protections-child-welfare-agencies/

The US protects religion (from the above). Religion is not protected in UK! UK's concern is for the person. Nor does UK allow your freedom of speech to be discriminatory. You cannot call someone a "black bastard" in UK, for instance, and get away with it. You can be called the n-word in America and there's not much you can do about it.

Faith based organisations do not place children anywhere in UK, nor can they foster. Individuals do And while it is not unusual for a child to be placed with religious people, those people are not allowed to compel the child to adopt the foster's religion.

Faith based schools in UK are not allowed to promote religion. Their duty is to educate by teaching the curriculum, and not to indoctrinate. Religion is a subject on the curriculum. You will be taught about the different types of religion, their historical and social development, their doctrines, and so on. At the end of it, you would know what people worship, how they worship it, and so on. You would be less likely to discriminate against a person because of their gods. If a school contravenes this rule, it would be shut down as it would not be allowed to enrol anyone. A religious person may homeschool their child, but they would be monitored to ensure the curriculum is followed. Whatever else you teach your child is up to you, but if it is not passing age and class related exams, your homeschooling rights would be rescinded, and your child will be protected from you as it would be seen as abuse of the child.

Religious organisations are not medical institutions or doctors. They do not refer anyone for abortions or have anything to do with contraceptives, and no one can tell them to. Recently, a religious organisation were told to not stand in front of an abortion clinic campaigning against abortion as they were intimidating clients of the clinic.

No religious organisation is allowed to refuse it's services (communion, yoga classes, schooling, parking, giving food out at foodbanks etc) to anyone because of their religion, colour, sexual orientation, gender etc, in UK. You most definitely can't refuse to serve people because they do not believe in your god. If any organisation discriminates on the basis of the nine protected classes as described in the Equality Act 2010, you will be sanctioned.

UK does not consider a person's religion, gender, sexual orientation, etc to be a thing that makes you any more special than a person of a different, gender, religion, sexual orientation etc, or a person devoid of those things. Every one is to be treated equally, regardless, by all institutions. You can't be an employer and say you would only hire Muslims, or Hindus, or women or black people, or gays, for that matter, in the guise of your right to practise your religion. It is against the law.

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Christianity Etc › Re: This Will End Fulani Killings. This Thread Is For Sons Of God Only by budaatum: 1:06am On Jul 06, 2018

spartan117:
You must get this into your head: Christianity is not against works, the bible says faith without work is dead.

Many of you erroneously belief that Christians disregard making physical efforts towards the achievement of our goals, how wrong you are

You would note that I said "some".

I am certain you are very aware that quite a few do not do enough work to achieve any goals. Acquiring knowledge, for instance, and understanding, is one area where many have not worked sufficiently, despite the entire Bible, and God, I say, being about the work that gives understanding, and eventually wisdom, which underpins faith.

Too many are way to busy believing and claiming that 'faith' you mentioned is way more important rather than doing the work to acquire understanding and a solid foundation for their faith, is my angst. It is hope that they have, as opposed to faith - false hope, at that, and a total waste of an Almighty God!

Christianity Etc › Re: Don't Be Deceived By The Atheists And Other Agents Of Satan. Please Read... by budaatum: 12:40am On Jul 06, 2018

Oracle16:
How can you understand. You are not living. Only Jesus can give you life.

Thanks for letting me know. Must say, I'm pretty happy with whatever it is I do now, be it living or not, and to be honest, I don't see many Jesus people living any better.

Christianity Etc › Re: Members Being ‘forced Out’ Of Church Of England For Being Gay by budaatum: 12:34am On Jul 06, 2018

9inches:
My point in essence is that the Church does not know who is a sinner or who isn't. Infact, the church does not ask such question. However, when a liar or an adulterer tries to promote lying or adultery in an attempt to subvert (check meaning) the Church, that's when the Church reacts inorder to protect itself including the congregation from such corruption.

I hope I made it clear enough for you.

I must have mixed you up with the person who was claiming the church must condemn homosexuals.

The facts are that no religious organisation in UK is permitted to discriminate, in any way whatsoever, against gays and homosexuals. And that includes refusing them communion, for an example. They all have to obey the law of the land or they will get prosecuted if found not to and fined if found guilty, and they can't claim God or their holy book says they can.

UK seems to have adopted the attitude that people are more important and need protection and religious institutions and gods can take care of themselves, if you asked me.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Don't Be Deceived By The Atheists And Other Agents Of Satan. Please Read... by budaatum: 12:16pm On Jul 05, 2018

sonofthunder:
atheism is dead and buried...

Oh mein gott. I died and wrote this from hell.

I'm wondering why it feels like I'm in my living room though.

Christianity Etc › Re: CNN Breaking News - Christians Apologize To LGBTQ Community by budaatum: 11:48am On Jul 05, 2018

bedspread:
You are Loved but ur acts of LGBT is Wickedness and Abominable!! It is Sinful and only Gurantee you Hell Fire!!

That's quite a lot of "love" you showing right there!

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist Kicked Off Egyptian TV, Advised To See Psychiatrist by budaatum: 11:32am On Jul 05, 2018

AtheistNews:
Yes, Egyptian atheists in the comment section of that video said incidents like this have been happening. a lawmaker even sponsored a law to outlaw atheism

They need all their 'powers' to maintain their myths!

Christianity Etc › Re: This Will End Fulani Killings. This Thread Is For Sons Of God Only by budaatum: 10:57am On Jul 05, 2018

spartan117:
I don't get it
Why are you so angry and filled with hatred against God?

It is not anger against God, Spartan117 and felixomor, but anger against the helplessness some promote in God's name!

I, for instance own a farm on which I once planted cassava and some cow herders decided to let their cows fatten themselves on my hardwork. Should I resort to prayer? Well, I didn't! Despite numerous warnings from people, I confronted the herders and asked them why they think it's ok for their profit to come out of my hardwork? I then went to their leader and informed him that any cow that ate my cassava would die!

I went and got takute (animal traps), and placed them around my farm with picture signs warning where they were so humans wouldn't get trapped in them. I also got some dead dried rats, tied red cloth round it, dipped it in palm oil and hung them round my farm too so people would see my juju. I then planted melons and bara, (it's what you get egusi from, and is apparently a good cattle repellent), and voila! No more cows ate my cassava!

My point is, this is not a battle against flesh and blood, so prayer is insufficient. You need full armor, belt buckle, breastplate, shield, helmet and sword so that you can stand your ground, and after you have done everything to stand, then might you pray, for prayer without works produces no cassava!

So please don't mistake our frustration to be against God per se, as really, we can't be this angry against what doesn't exist. But against the helplessness that is constantly promoted in the name of a God that people make non-existent by not using the powers of this God to actually solve their problems. All the prayers in the world wouldn't have stopped those huge cows eating up all my cassava! But the power of God could be said to have, or at least, not many people argued with me when I told them God done it when they saw me making gari with the huge nice cassava I harvested because cattle hadn't consumed it all whilst growing.

Someone incidentally told me they'd pray on my farm and that I should replace the rats with crosses, but I laughed. The herders were Muslim so pages from the Quran and tesubas would have been more effective! And besides the prayer person demanded 10k so I told him to fuq off!

The picture was taken on my farm, but on the edge where lush grass grows and which attracts the herders except that a varied diet of cassava makes them grow bigger so they just let them roam onto my cassava plantation to eat my hardwork!

Christianity Etc › Re: Members Being ‘forced Out’ Of Church Of England For Being Gay by budaatum: 9:49am On Jul 05, 2018

9inches:
Since we don't know what the people we are referring to, how would I know what they do so as to say if it's sin or not?

"Everyone who commits sin commits lawlessness, for sin is lawlessness." (1 John 3:4)

On the assumption the phrase "we are referring to" , has a "do" at the end, since you don't "know what they do so as to say if it's sin or not", why the condemnation? And is it for the Church to judge?

By the way, this might be an old Catholic thing. They have tended to play God in the past. However, read my acknowledgement of ATFmedia's comment above.

The CoE has never had such holier than thou attitudes or godlike powers as it has always been subject to the law of the land, which currently is the Equality Act 2010 which makes it illegal to discriminate against anyone because of their:

age
being or becoming a transsexual person
being married or in a civil partnership
being pregnant or on maternity leave disability
race including colour, nationality, ethnic or national origin
religion, belief or lack of religion/belief
sex
sexual orientation

Effectively, if, as the op claimed, "Members [are] Being ‘forced Out’ Of Church Of England For Being Gay" (and by the way, I know it isn't true because I am a member of the CoE and would raise hell myself if I saw anything of the sort!), then they are committing a crime and would be sanctioned for it!

As an aside, that act also affected primogeniture such that the first born, regardless of gender, would be first in line to the throne of England, and also removed ancient restrictions barring Catholics becoming king or queen.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Members Being ‘forced Out’ Of Church Of England For Being Gay by budaatum: 9:09am On Jul 05, 2018

ATFmedia:
Let God himself be the judge.

And that, is exactly the attitude the Church of England takes on the matter, especially after finding out they do more harm by being the judges themselves.

The Church, including Catholics, have afterall not exactly done a good job stoning themselves so how could they continue justifying the stoning of others?

Christianity Etc › Re: Members Being ‘forced Out’ Of Church Of England For Being Gay by budaatum: 8:25am On Jul 05, 2018

MuttleyLaff:
On the contrary, you're still "B"
You still fancy both sexes, but you have decided not to follow it through.
As you're now committed in a relationship built on trust, truthfulness, honesty and faithfulness to this person you've chosen to settle down with

Can a person be bi if they've decided to be mono?

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