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shaybebaby:

ScienceWatch:
Please don't thank me publicly.

Butterflyleo:
You will not bait me into an argument about subjectivity and objectivity.

Listen carefully since you fail to reason logically as you should.

You say morality is set by society right? And I asked you, WHO MAKES UP THE SOCIETY? IS IT NOT INDIVIDUALS?

Before those laws are set, WHO INTRODUCES THEM? Is it not individuals?

"Society" is not a living thing. Humans in that society are the living things.

Individuals present INDIVIDUAL ideas of morality before any is adopted by a society. THE SOURCE FOR SUCH MORAL THOUGHT OR MORAL ADOPTIONS COME FROM INDIVIDUALS.

This is common sense.

nwabekeyi:
please can you kindly rephrase your question? I didn't get it

nwabekeyi:
yes insertion, deletion and duplication are all rearrangements.

This is how it works, we have two forms of genes, the introns(non-expressed genes) and exons (the expressive gene), only the exons can be translated into proteins. Some times, exons added by exonization process ( I.e. converting introns to exons).
And sometimes, exons are converted to introns or an already existing exon will be rearranged.

So what vaxx could have said was the addition addition, rearrangement or removal of exons in a DNA and not addition of a new set to genes to the DNA.

nwabekeyi:
yes, addition but evolution mustn't necessarily be as a result of addition of an exon (translated gene), lose of exons and rearrangement of exons also leads to evolution.

vaxx:
insertions likely stands for addition i assume.

shaybebaby:
Aren't you tired off jerking off butter? Geez!

nwabekeyi:
thanks boss, it's all about sharing ideas and nobody can know it all sir...

We keep doing our best to enlighten our people

nwabekeyi:
I have already said I had to make that mistake cos I was in rush to reply, I can never accept that humans directly evolved from homo erectus like you said. Every evolutionist knows this

vaxx:
do not be lazy
buda.....goggle gene mutation and read up

adjoviomole:
Moderator please kindly take down the tread please. Thank you

vaxx:
you need then to further study your biology textbook? as i said. there are evidence of mutations that cause the deletion, duplication or change of alleles, but never an addition. (For example, if the gene reads AATC, we have seen it change to ATC or AATCAATC or ATTC, but never AATCC.) Evolutionary theory depends on addition mutations and while they may exist in theory, they have never been observed.

you can not talk about evolution without mutation, it is like talking about a car without its particular brand.

ScienceWatch:
"WE" is the nugget of gold that points to the reality of the powerful foundation upon which the highly esteemed BUTTERFLYLEO operates.

I trust that you will effectively define the "WE."

Butterflyleo:
Why do the simplest of things so easily slip past you atheists?

Whatever triggers emotions or feelings etc are derived from your DNA and without your DNA coding you have nothing to derive morality from.

This is what is meant by it being hardwired into you and not that you had knowledge of the evils of murder in your DNA.

Without such responses to stimuli from your DNA you have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

Please my comment to you now was a simple courtesy for sake of you getting something actually actually drilled into your brain which is a logical truth if you were to follow the trend of regress or the law of cause and effect.

ScienceWatch:
Well said my dearest BUDAATUM. I missed your subtle sense of humour when the going gets tough.

Your sarcasm is appreciated because your second point proves that you know that through spiritual connection one can QUICKLY know what others can spend years to know by secular learning.

Yes you are an enlightened atheist.
Stay blessed on your tough journey my dear.

ScienceWatch:
Very interesting question BUDAATUM.
Identical twins and their DNA. Why can there be the extremes that you emphasize

I leave the shocking truth for you to answer because of your spiritual experience.

ScienceWatch:
The implications of conscience as expounded by BUTTERFLYLEO and MUTTLEYLAF as DNA hardwiring or conscience is that morality is in essence not taught. But in a secular setup it is taught as a Mental assent.

ScienceWatch:
Because you are a spiritual leader in your own right, the concept of conscience as a spiritual force is easier for you to understand than materialistic atheists.

ScienceWatch:
For instance the DNA markers of a man with a dead conscience a murderer, rapist, crook is
different from a man with high morals.

MuttleyLaff:
The sense to know, what behaviour is right and what behaviour is wrong
Conscience, whoever you are, is hardwired in all

MuttleyLaff:
Butterflyleo, in a matter or subject like this, you'll have your work cut out with bud

The conscience bears conscious witness, to sense & know, what behaviour is right and what behaviour is wrong

Example: Father regularly fingering his daughter
or daughter regularly allowing father's little soldier to march upandan in the honeypot
There must be something wrong with the father's conscience, if he doesnt know he is behaving badly fingering his daughter
There must be something wrong with the daughter's conscience, if it is not pricked, for the daughter somewhat not know that her father is doing is wrong

This among other things, is what Butterflyleo is saying is encoded in our DNA

shaybebaby:
Tut! Tut! Budaa, how remiss of you! I would say watch the movies but then again, movies based in books never do them justice.

Still, one of the notable points about the books and their success is that it is enjoyed by both adults and children alike. Also the story of the writer herself made their existence all the more remarkable.

If it continues in this vein, I reckon it may well outstrip bible sales in about a century.

Butterflyleo:
So you agree that THEY INTERPRET THE BIBLE and not their self derived subjective views.

Butterflyleo:
You don't get it as well.

Anything alive is traced to DNA level. DNA responds to stimuli and everything in you exists due to your DNA coding.

Your brain functioning the way it is is due to the " wiring" of your DNA units which brought about your nerves etc in your brain.

Every action or reaction came PREWIRED.

Take it or leave it.

Without this prewiring nothing is taught or learned or understood.

I am done here.

Butterflyleo:
I am speaking about as a christian and not as AN EVERY DAY INDIVIDUAL. As Christians we cease to be just INDIVIDUALS because we are in this world BUT NOT OF THIS WORLD.

This means that our moral codes are not derived from here but came preset.

Besides even evolutionary scientists also tell us that moral responses were first on a genetic level prior to anything else so if these responses were not preset, on a genetic level how then would we know right from wrong without the Involvement of our DNA?

Butterflyleo:
Thoughts of good or evil did not just arrive. They are already prewired into our DNA. Something we did not influence.

shaybebaby:
Breakfast is served. Choke on it.
"Harry Potter and the Philosopher’s Stone, and the six sequels that followed it, worked the kind of magic most publishers could only dream of, selling well over 450 million copies and turning their author into a billionaire. Inspiring a devotion among fans last seen around the time of Jesus Christ, Potter became a global phenomenon."

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/20-years-harry-potter-fuss/amp/

Butterflyleo:
Wrong!

Butterflyleo:
Morals are not subjective if they have already been preset.

Butterflyleo:
Your opinion.

What I am saying is that my morality has a truth value which has already been preset for me to follow and not one I created for myself.

For me, Morality is not determined by me but something/ someone who was here long before I was and this morality is futuristic and not ancient because the very moral fabrics of today and the future are sewn into it.

Butterflyleo:
Individuals present INDIVIDUAL ideas of morality before any is adopted by a society. THE SOURCE FOR SUCH MORAL THOUGHT OR MORAL ADOPTIONS COME FROM INDIVIDUALS.

This is common sense.