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Butterflyleo:
Not from my standpoint it is not. That is why Christianity is against subjectivity because morality should have a general foundation worldwide and it is only when it is so that we can actually talk about being completely right or completely wrong because we cannot be that way if we are right in one country and wrong in another. That is not a good litmus test for righteousness so we as Christians work with Objective morality where the foundation is ONE.

ScienceWatch:
Wow BUTTERFLYLEO, that was Checkmate !!!!!!! We all agree that your post deserve an award.

POST OF THE WEEK goes to BUTTERFLYLEO.

Anas09:
Like i care? I give no shiittt.

ScienceWatch:
It is checkmate. Though I must admit that BudaAtum is the most advanced atheist here.

ScienceWatch:
Correct. But unfortunately these atheists don't have the intelligence to understand what you wrote here.

johnydon22:
I actually love the thread, it accuses atheists of something and ends up showing the accusers are actually the culprits

MuttleyLaff:
What a travesty
On so many levels, you still havent the foggiest.
Aint that a shame and sight to see. SMH

Considering the build up and circumstances that led to the drastic measure now put up as exhibits in the public gallery of this kangaroo court,
it would not be condemned nor condoned

I have made the point numerously earlier, that in Lagos metropolis, you cant be doing "ajebutter" or forming phonetics with area boys,
because area boys only understand you, when you speak their language.
In this matter of contention, in order to subdue, some "area boys" languages, like how used in this case, are better understood than other form of languages

This "area boys" language, is a necessary evil, to serve as a deterrent
and intending to discourage anyone else, nursing the pleasure of wanting, in a deliberate and unprovoked manner, to run wild with their mouths

No one is mentioning that, the consequences of intentionally disregarding or not paying attention to the advanced warning, was in no small terms, spelt out.

Tell me budaatum:
"shey iwo le la oju sile, ki talubo ko wo?"
loosely translated means
"Would you leave your eyes wide open, without blinking to allow dust specks blow in to them?"

Who is at fault, if someone had given me an advanced warning and made me aware of the danger of ignoring the warning
but I made a conscious decision and chose to take off my clothes, jump and dive straight into this tricky and dangerous situation?

shaybebaby:
No, you must also love the lady to be able to critique another professing his love.

Butterflyleo:
The title says atheism and not atheist. So where did I mention you in the title as you alleged?

ATHEISM is a worldview

ATHEIST is A PERSON who has that worldview

So where did I mention you?

Butterflyleo:
Morality isn't predetermined because man came before it. First you say it isn't fixed and is fluid next you say it is not able to be changed when it changes from society to society and Individual to individual. Its clear to see all over the world which is why we have sadists, rapists, serial killers, shooters, poachers, human rights abusers etc in every society. That is why laws are even broken because morality IS ALTERED individually to suit our comfort individually which unfortunately could also be against the law.





It can be circumvented and done legally. I can take advantage of my fundamental rights and my respect for the fundamental rights of others which is why it was HIDDEN in the first place. Location and non proximity to human population could be my crack in the wall of the moral law of the land.

Besides a certain member of the Royal family in Saudi Arabia Prince Adel Al-Otaibi was arrested some time ago for trafficking pork meat in Israel. He was supposed to have a moral foundation in Saudi Arabia but his INDIVIDUAL COMFORT prevailed and he left Saudi for Israel to embark on what is prohibited in his own country which he should be upholding as a member of the royal family.

This further shows that your claim that morality cannot be changed is erroneous and INDIVIDUALS do so all the time simply because they have no foundation to theirs and like you, are being subjective about it.

By the way, pork trafficking is also illegal in Israel and only acceptable by law in the Christian minority but he not only broke the already known laws in Israel for his own INDIVIDUAL moral comfort but probably also went near Christians to get supplies which also went against his religious morality and made him also focus on his INDIVIDUAL comfort.

Butterflyleo:
Morality isn't set in stone simply means it holds no foundation so ISNT SUSTAINABLE and can be altered AS THE SITUATION DEMANDS and this is why a homosexual who cannot practice it in Nigeria would fly to another country where it is legal and do so but come back to Nigeria and pretend that he isn't gay.

Butterflyleo:
Where did I mention you in the title of the thread?

MuttleyLaff:
You're mate!

You started a strawman, I am wriggling out from

Why do you care what Jesus taught?
What's it got to do with you?
Why mention Jesus and His teachings, to score cheap points if you dont believe in Him, dont believe He exists, dont believe in who He is?
Only the Janus-faced pull stunts like that

MuttleyLaff:
budaatum, you're comparing apples with oranges mate

budaatum:
The great pity is that unbeknown to you, it would seem, your style of argument projects your mental state and if you could only see, you would find what you've written here applies to you.

But one need not bother about the forest in ones own eye, I suppose, when one can focus better on the twig in the eye of others.

Butterflyleo:

hypocrisy
noun
the practice of claiming to have higher standards or more noble beliefs than is the case.

For anybody to say another is a hypocrite then there must be A FOUNDATION to that claim and that foundation must be seen as an authority.

Butterflyleo:
But you are acting opposite atheism when you run to the bible and Jesus and use them as your yardstick despite claiming they are myths and do not exist?

Butterflyleo:
You cannot claim anyone erred when the subject of their error does not exist to you. Where then did you manufacture their error from?

Butterflyleo:
Are you now a theist to judge a christian by their own book? A book you also claim is a myth and a figment of many human imaginations?

MuttleyLaff:
As far as you are concerned, Jesus is a figment of imagination, something imagined, like dalaman will put it

MuttleyLaff:
Please stop dragging in Jesus, whom you dont believe exist

LosVikingos:
I am a theist, but seriously, this thread is very irrational.

The title of the thread just showed the level of your hatred for atheists and atheism at large.

It is an insult, and very rude.

By not proving them wrong thereby concluding they have mental disorder.

It is as if you're just insulting yourself.

Butterflyleo
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chemystery:
Someone is advising his deluded goons to stay away from replying atheists yet he wouldn't take his own advice. I pity those who take butterfly-lie-on serious

johnydon22:
Don't sweat it, not worth it

sonofthunder:
its not my admission but your opinion, scroll up and read what you posted...

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budaatum:
I don't expect any answer of
mine to carry weight with you,
nor do I care whether it does or
not.

sonofthunder:
given your religious stance, this answer holds no weight as to why you are obsessed with this section of nairaland.

sonofthunder:
of course you don't expect it to carry weight with me, you are a close minded bigot

sonofthunder:
given your religious stance, this answer holds no weight as to why you are obsessed with this section of nairaland.

AnonyNymous:
And Nairaland is a cross section of Nigeria, so its safe to assume that a sizeable portion of so called Christian Nigerians have so much hatred in their hearts.

I used to be extremely active on this section but I had to leave. I couldn't stand the name calling, the petty insults masked as 'arguments', the intellectual dishonesty, and so on. Of all the people I've encountered here, only ONE has behaved 'Christ-like' in a manner that I was truly able to enjoy discussing with him and understand his point of view, clearly. I'd like to mention his username but I wouldn't do so to protect his privacy as I don't think he's active here anymore either. To be honest, I was losing grip of logic and felt encouraged to meet him in a church someday (maybe I will )

Of course, the Christian Bible (especially the old testament) is so full of violence and savagery that you wouldn't expect much from its followers- but then they claim to magically have all of that washed away by Jesus, who is supposed to be their new role model. And Jesus was a complete pacifist- nearly to the point of stupidity through the eyes of a typical person. But the so called Christians on Nairaland think that by insulting people, sometimes even making unwarranted, crude remarks about their family members, including lies to win arguments or present their position, is supposed to 'win souls' for thus same Christ.

I have met Christian humanists on reddit, YouTube comments, and some other social sites. Atheists who believe in the moral code of Jesus as a person but just don't believe in God. Honestly, if you compare their attitude to these so called "Christians", you'd wonder why these ones get to have an 'eternal bliss' in heaven while those that did everything the Bible said to do (except believe in God, lol) are going to burn in hell for all eternity. These Christians on Nairaland make the whole God thing look less believable.

I've also noticed that most Christian topics seem to be centred on atheism. One of them claimed that that's because their Christian topics get invaded. But that's a big lie. If you notice the trend here, the harmless topics get ignored- but the ones where people can come and 'flex muscles' and prove their mastery of English insults always end up with the highest number of pages. I wonder if it makes their god, or Jesus happy. You know, to condemn others on the internet. LOL.

Why am I ranting? Well on the thread about Theresa May advocating for same sex marriage, I made a simple comment, asking someone for his own definition of natural- since homosexuality is observable in over 1500 other animal species (nature).

I was suddenly hounded by barrages of insults from Christians. I wonder if their god would be proud of them for doing so. If that would win them extra points on their heaven scoresheet.

What particularly made me mad is a long time Nairalander, who KNOWS I'm not an atheist- going to everyone who quoted me with insults and egging them on, while telling them I'm an atheist and a closeted gay guy. I was just baffled at how far these guys are willing to go. It almost seems as if their 'evangelism' on here has nothing to do with the book they claim to believe in but just to massage their ego. To prove that they are

-smart
-capable of winning arguments
-can use logic

But they all FAIL at these three, and horribly so. I'm pretty convinced that they aren't working to 'promote Christ' because they are polar opposites of the character in question.

For anyone who cares to know, I've always been of the strong belief that this physical (3 dimensional) world isn't all there is to existence, and I never ruled out the possibility of some form of a god/God, though I'm pretty convinced it isn't interested in our affairs- unless we ourselves are the gods we seek (pantheism) which makes more sense. Long story. I could talk about that in another thread.


Why else am I ranting? Being a good person gives you the highest statistical probability of a decent afterlife. (See below). Some people need religion to be good people and that's understandable. I just wanted to appeal to Christians on here to have a change of behaviour and see the quality of their discussions improve. Maybe you might even 'win a few souls' here and there. Enough of the hypocrisy.

Of course, insults are welcome.