₦airaland Forum

Brendaniel:
You don't live in Nigeria ....

Probably why I am responsible and not so powerless, and why I am telling you what nations that run successful democracies have had to do since they too faced the difficulties Nigeria currently faces.

We've only been democratic for 24 or so years and have quite a lot to learn.

Brendaniel:
So the violence that happened in Kogi state for Ododo was not the use of force against voters or the case where the court made number 4 become no1 in Imo?

What would you do in such cases?
THIS ARE 1ST TIME GOVERNORS...

The violence that happened in Kogi state for Ododo was not the use of force by voters against voters who wouldn't vote for Ododo.

And if the court made number 4 become no1 in Imo, number 1 was not number 1. In fact, what the heck were number 2 and 3 doing if what you claim were true?

Regardless, and assuming your claims are true, Who would I be in such cases? The person who lost the election or the person who's one vote was robbed?

If the former, I would simply be more diligent next time in organising my party so we are not so easily robbed, and I will try to get more people to vote for me and ensure their vote is counted for me, and I will ask my electoral agents to be more vigilant and collect evidence of any infringements, and I will hire good lawyers to argue my case in court too.

And if I am the person who's one vote was robbed, I'd organise all those like me who were robbed to be more vigilant next time and try to be electoral officers who'd ensure our votes are not stolen.

I would not be the only one who will suffer if the elections in my constituency are not credible abd reliable, so hopefully we'd all fight to ensure they are or we'd all suffer the consequences if it isn't.

Sapasenator:
The most idiotic teaching on earth is turning the other cheek after a slap. I have yet to see anyone practice this, and it does not even make any lick of sense. If I am a victim of a slap on the left cheek, my fight or flight instinct will immediately kick in and I will either defend myself or remove myself from that place of harm.

It isn't brilliant to remain and present my other cheek. This is 2024 for Chrissake and we are never supposed to still live with those archaic teachings.

That's your reasoning. And as I said, assume you insulting me is you slapping me.

In the real world, please go ahead and slap. You slapping both cheeks gives me double the opportunity to record evidence on my phone, and I have a very good lawyer on retainer who would make it worth your while.

Brendaniel:
So how do you stop a sitting governor who is writing the election result inside the government house with the INEC chairman ready to announce the result for him ?

Why let the governor sit in the first place? Were you sleeping when you were electing him to sit?

And what evidence do you have that the INEC chairman was ready to announce the result for him? Would you also claim the judge in the court you take the evidence to is working for the sitting governor too, and the one in the appeal court?

Sorry, but I'm not buying the level of ignorance and stupidity you are here suggesting people have.

One thing I do know happens a lot in Nigeria is many people are convinced their vote doesn't count and the winner is a rigger. The consequence of such a belief is the people do not bother to go and vote, while the sitting governor makes sure his people vote and he wins the election while the loser yells rigged and cooks up the narrative you cooked up above.

Regardless, diligence on your part would ensure rigging doesn't happen or happens less, instead of what you are doing here which is the equivalent of not protecting your stuff then blaming the competent thief for stealing from you.

nedu666:
Na so e easy to do business with mouth

Business is never easy. That's why most don't do business and most who do fail.

Owning a Lexus ES 330 2006 is not for those who think anything is easy, not to talk of doing business with 10.

Brendaniel:
Many leaders in Nigeria have rigged themselves into power, for example the former SSG to Amaechi said they were writing results from their houses, if he didbt say it who would know? so what if that is what most of the leaders have been doing?

so how would you know or want the citizens to know who rigged and who didn't trig?

I did mention we are bad governors of ourselves. That includes ensuring riggers don't rig themselves into power over us. And if some are rigging themselves into power overs us, then its our fault for being insufficiently diligent and irresponsible.

Hopefully we'd learn to be diligent and responsible instead of hoping riggers suddenly get godly unrigging hearts. Its after all we who would be wailing due to our irresponsibility and indiligence, while the riggers go on to loot the treasury for their own selfish benefit.

bemeruca:
The documentary is why he got arrested, right?

I don't know that, sorry. The Met have not yet said why he was arrested, and no charge has yet been filed in a court regarding.

When they let us know, I'd willingly discuss, but at the moment, since he's been fined already for that so called documentary, I'd be surprised if his arrest is unrelated.

Brendaniel:
So what if the leader rigs himself into power?

Is that still the responsibility of the citizens?

What? A leader rigs himself into power where we the citizens are not stupid and sleeping?

Sorry, but I don't see how that happens.

But if we the citizens are so stupid and sleeping and irresponsible that some individuals can now come from Mars and rig themselves into power over us, then we most definitely deserve what ever rubbish we are served by them and I hope it is very painful so we weep tears of blood. For that pain is what will make us wake up and not be stupid and irresponsible next time or until we learn to protect our democracy so no one can come and rig themselves into power over us.

Incidentally, the time when some "leader rigs himself into power" over us was when the British rigged themselves into power over us, or perhaps when military ruled. If we can't count the votes we cast under democracy so the rightful person leads, we are the irresponsible ones that rigged and allowed our democracy to be rigged, and we better wake up quick time so we don't end up as slaves to martians from outer space!

Brendaniel:
So what then is the responsibility of the government if the citizens are responsible for everything happening to themselves?

In a democracy, the citizens are the government, and are responsible for everything happening to themselves.

If we the citizens do not like what is happening to ourselves, we thankfully have an opportunity every 4 years to vote for a government that will make something better to happen to ourselves, if we are wise at least, and responsible citizens, and don't just stupidly vote for ọmọ wa ni emilokan.

But if they, or rather, we the people, choose to be stupid, then we will lay on the crooked hurtful bed we did not make how we'd have preferred we made it.

bemeruca:
whats wrong with this?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1817184820151070917

Bem, the fact it came from Tommy is enough for me to not waste my time, especially after a court fined him £100k for it already.

If you don't agree, please go defend Tommy in court. You'd be saving him 100k and he might even give you a fifth.

Brendaniel:
So you think the people who got kidnapped prepared to get kidnapped?

Nope, I don't think "the people who got kidnapped prepared to get kidnapped", and neither have I said any such nonsense.

Brendaniel:
Read you comment again up there, going by what you said there, why do you need a government or even election if you are willing to do everything for yourself, ....

Everything for myself includes governing and government, Brendaniel.

As I said, government is not some people we bring from Mars to govern us, but are people elected by ourselves from amongst ourselves.

Think of the government of Nigeria as me buda and you Brendaniel all the other citizens of Nigeria from amongst who some are elected by us all to hold office. It might make you understand that buda and Brendaniel and all the other citizens of Nigeria are responsible for our governance or misgovernance and inflation and the kidnapping of ourselves by ourselves.

Brendaniel:
And still you could not tell me how you would protect yourself from a kidnapper?

And you want me to believe that you prepared to protect yourself?

My preparation does not start when I am "encountering a kidnap situation". It starts so I don't encounter a kidnap situation at all in the first place.

I have not been kidnapped and neither have you, so we have either protected ourselves or have not been worth kidnapping, which is as good as, don't you think?

bemeruca:
I believe violence and destruction is the only language this people hear.

I guess "violence and destruction is the only language" is why Tommy got arrested.

Then you'd be here claiming you did not break the law, lol.

Brendaniel:
So who's responsibility is it to protect the man in such a situation?

I can not tell you about some other man, Brendaniel.

It is my responsibility to protect myself from kidnappers Or better still, and to be more accurate, I take responsibility for protecting myself from kidnappers.

No one cares about me more than I care for myself such that they will protect me from kidnappers. And I am far too responsible for my self than to leave my protection from kidnappers to others.

Brendaniel:
You can see the chart that you posted, are you trying to say it was the citizens that were causing the rise and fall in that chart?

That it was not the decisions and policies from the government that was causing the changes in the chart?

I am saying, we the people who are the citizens, elected the governments that imposed the decisions and the policies that caused the rise and fall and changes in the chart.

And I am saying, if we don't like the decisions and policies that caused the rises and falls in the chart that the governments that we the people elected have imposed on us, we should chose better next time instead of making out the rises and falls in the chart has nothing to do with us the people who elected the governments from amongst ourselves.

Brendaniel:
That's because you have not encountered a kidnapper before....

What would you tell a man who is encountering a kidnap situation to do to stop the kidnappers from kidnappings him?

Have you encountered a kidnapper before?

Do you think it wise to wait until you "encounter a kidnap situation" before you do what you currently do to stop the kidnappers from kidnapping you?

Sorry, but since I wouldn't be kidnapping anyone, I sincerely doubt I'd be in a position to be telling a "man who is encountering a kidnap situation" what to do.

In fact, I think being in such a situation to be telling a "man who is encountering a kidnap situation" what to do would be rather stupid because I would be placing myself in the same situation where I would be encountering kidnappers myself, which I doubt would be a smart thing to do.

Brendaniel:
We don't suck at governing ourselves,

You are very welcome to believe the above.

Personally, I look at the results of our self governance and feel we are not very good at it, and hope we take responsibility and learn, or rather, educate ourselves to govern ourselves better so we are not here moaning that a 3.6m Lexus ES 330 2006 is now 9m.

In some countries, wear and tear would have reduced the price of that 3.6m Lexus ES 330 2006 by half.

bemeruca:
Budaatum, this man did not break any law, ....

The police do not agree with you, and you are very welcome to go defend him in court.

Make sure you then sue the police for false arrest plus your legal fees please.

Brendaniel:
So how do you stop another man from kidnapping you in present day Nigeria?

Same way I've stopped another man from kidnapping me in present day Nigeria, and the same way you've stopped another man from kidnapping you in Nigeria.

I of course assume another man has not kidnapped you in Nigeria, so correct me if I am wrong. If not, whatever we've been doing seems to have worked so far.

Brendaniel:
Please stop with the lies, Nigeria has not constantly had double digit inflation, since about 2003 Nigeria had single digit inflation till Buhari's regime, so you are talking totally out of point here...

Point is, Nigeria's inflation has been abnormally far too high. America hit post 5% and they are wailing like its 50.

As for defending a government, please do not make me laugh. Nigeria has not had a government in my lifetime that I could defend, and I am going back to very close to pre Gowon here.

If you asked me, we suck at governing ourselves. My hope is the trial and error and opportunity to try again that democracy provides will eventually ensure we learn. And my projected date for that, trend considered, is 3024.

Brendaniel:
So are you saying the person who saved up 3.6m to buy a vehicle that is now 9m was lazy or the people who were kidnapped while traveling were lazy or the farmers who were killed or kidnapped while farming were lazy?

Since you claim the responsibility lies on you to provide everything for yourself and not wait for the government does that also include guns to fight bandits?

Nope. I am not saying a person with 3.6m is lazy, since lazy people don't often have 3.6m. And I have not said anything here about "people who were kidnapped while traveling" or "the farmers who were killed or kidnapped".

In fact, I am saying government is me (we) the people, since our government is not elected from planet Mars. And if you asked me, I'd even say the bandits is also me the people, since they too are not from Mars but are amongst us the people.

So, yes, the responsibility does lie with me and we the people to not be lazy, and not kidnap and kill, and instead govern ourselves in ways that would exclude such things.

We are after all responsible for the leaders we elect and the policies they impose on us that results in us being governed well or badly, no?

Perhaps we should open our eyes better so we see next time instead of wailing at our bad choice.

Brendaniel:
So why them where you blaming the buyer of the vehicle when clearly the government is the cause of the inflation on the vehicle?

The government is not the cause of inflation, but I'm certain you will disagree.

Nigeria has constantly had double digit inflation, and its cause is productivity not keeping up with consumption. If it weren't for that, we wouldn't even be talking about buying a Lexus ES 330 2006, but would instead be talking about buying a Made in Nigeria 2024 car that its Nigerian makers got paid an inflation busting wage to make. Instead, we are taking our low wage to buy what is thrown away by others.

But I'm not blaming the buyer. I even commended the buyer for being in a position of owning a car he bought for 3.6m that is now worth 9m, which makes him a savvy investor if he sells.

ElSudani:
God bless you and all other Nigerians who think this way.

All the Gods have blessed you more for your very kind words.

Though I bet you bless yourself and the Gods just add jara, as in, extra.

Brendaniel:
If all these options yoy mentioned were there for the vehicle buyer, don't you think he would have taken then.

What if the options you mentioned are not there for the land and the education just like the vehicle buyer?

This is like asking what a person who lacks the option of acquiring their daily bread by the sweat of their brow should do.

They do without and starve of course, or get off their lazy asses and create options for themselves.

Kushites:
What makes you think I haven’t read the bible?

Your fruits show you don't understand it. You wouldn't be quick to insult if you had read "love your neighbour".

Kushites:
I probably knew every verse before you were born.

You have not read that "thou shalt not bear false witness", or you would not makea claim you have no evidence for.

Kushites:
And you believe the story of ‘Adam and Eve’ because……?

People who know buda better than you seem to do will laugh at you for this.

The story of Adam and Eve is as believable as the story of the tortoise in Things Fall Apart.

The wise do not believe, they instead seek to understand.

Kushites:
You can’t even prove the existence of ‘Jesus’, never mind ‘Adam and Eve’.

Whether Jesus existed is irrelevant. What I can prove is the truth of some of his teachings.

Say you slap my right cheek and I turn the left cheek and you slap it too so I turn the right for you to slap. You'd either get tired of slapping me, or if you are smart, start worrying why I let you slap me, and eventually stop slapping me or just be a bully, in which case other methods would be applied when engaging with yoi.

But I must prove it to you. Think of every slap of yours as an insult from you and see how so little you'd want to insult me by the time we are done conversing.

Kushites:
Are you aware that by scientific consensus the first modern humans arose in East Africa over 200,000 years ago?

Are you aware that the earliest documented representative of the genus Homo is Homo habilis which evolved around 2.8 million years ago, and is arguably the earliest species for which there is positive evidence of the use of stone tools?

They were the forebears of your modern humans.

Kushites:
Maybe Adam and Eve were the first Europeans, not the first humans.

Adam and Eve were not the first anything! They were not even the first in the rendition of the made up story we hear about them from.

But I guess I'll need to wait for you to get on the page I'm on, lol.

Kushites:
I seek no master.

I think you do seek a master. You specifically asked guys to be your master by recommending a good traditional deity to be your master so you "can follow, please".

Kushites:
I seek knowledge and truth.

You must first understand the difference between the less complex good and bad, for that is what will teach you to learn to use your senses which you will use to ask and knock and seek for the more complex knowledge and truth.

Hence, Eve.

ambale:
Where person go even see the 9 million to buy the car now

No just dey argue anyhow online

It's a very bad situation

The person who mentioned buying a Lexus ES 330 2006 already bought one for 3.6m, and there are lots of people out there currently finding ways to buy one now for 9m.

In fact, if the person who bought one for 3.6m waits a little, they'd likely be able to sell it for 18 and then buy a cheaper car than a Lexus.

We are not all unsmart, you see. Some might "sign up to piggy vest" to increase their income.

Medipharm:
Oga you be cruise.
Tell your president to fix the nation

Sorry, but I do not rely on "your president to fix the nation" for me.

I get off my ass and fix the portion of the nation that concerns me myself instead of waiting for some president messiah who likely hasn't got a clue to fix my lot for me.

Brendaniel:
It's like you do not understand me, if the worker is saving to buy the land worth 3.6m or get an education the same inflation would have made it 9m naira before he will be able to buy the land or get the education...

So what solution do you give to such a person?

You shouldn't really save up to buy an education, nor land for that matter, if you have any sense.

You buy the education in small increments as soon as you have a little. And the increment in knowledge you bought should improve your income so you can more easily buy the next level.

And the land can be bought with a fixed interest loan so its cost to you does not increase with time. You might even find you are still paying off a 3.6m loan while the land you bought is now 9m.

What!

Brendaniel:
But the land and even the education will also be going up with the same inflation of the Lexus ES 330?

You'd own the land which will continue to appreciate, and the education you bought which will unfix your salary so it rises above inflation.

You are after all unlikely to settle for the same salary you earned before you bought yourself an education, considering the improvement in your brain use acquired from the education you bought. Or are you?

The land and the education are assets, note, while the Lexus ES 330 2006 is more like something you consume and that will depreciate.

Medipharm:
Sell them at a profit of 54M and buy 5units at 9M. No be negative business?

But you wouldn't sell the "5units at 9M" (each) come next January, since agbado is not all of a sudden going to reverse the trend.

You'd likely sell each of the 5 units at 18m each, and the 5 at 90m, making a further positive profit of 45m on top of the 54 you already made. Unless you are bad at business of course, or don't know simple accounting.