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TenQ:
Real and Tangible do not mean the same thing!

Then I think you should provide your definition of tangible, since I have provided mine which does suggest they are.

budaatum:
Tangible, means real and not imaginary; able to be shown, touched, or experienced.

The software in an AI machine is tangible and real since it can be shown and touched and experienced if you don't limit yourself to your naked eyes.

Air one breathes is definitely tangible, as you will find if you hold your nose and cover your mouth for 5 minutes.

TenQ:
Show me anything you know that is tangible but does not have any of mass or dimension or energy?

Don't you think it is rude to not answer questions you are asked and expect answers to your questions?

Machine code in an AI machine is tangible despite not having mass or dimension, though I'd argue it has energy, since it can produce an action.

Thoughts in my head are tangible to me despite not having mass or dimension, though those thoughts are intangible to others. I'd also argue that my thought have energy since I think before I act.

Now, would you kindly answer my questions to you?

LordReed:
My dear buda we have had a discussion along this line in the past. Remember when we spoke about images on a screen or mirror? Those images are intangible, you cannot physical touch them but you can carry the medium they are on. It is the same with software. You can physically carry the medium it's on but you cannot directly touch the software itself.

My Lord, tangible does not only mean touch. It also means feel, see, hear, etc.

If you can observe the "images on a screen or mirror", then those images on a screen or mirror are tangible in their own right since you can see and observe it, which you could not possibly do if it were intangible.

I do not need to "directly touch the software itself" in the machine, though I can argue that I could if I wanted to since I could very easily decompile the software so I can see it, which is what one does if one wants to debug the code in the machine. The point is that I must write tangible code in a tangible format on a tangible medium and tangibly give it to a tangible compiler to convert it to machine readable code that some are here claiming is intangible. I can even decompile the machine readable code back into its tangible human readable code, which I am arguing can not be done if the code in the machine is not tangible in itself.

Just think. I can be sitting here in my home instructing you in my mind to stick your fingers in your eyes, but the intangibility of that instruction would be obvious because you would neither see nor hear nor feel it in anyway and would not be able to follow the instruction in my mind. But as soon as I make the intangible instruction in my mind tangible for you to hear or read or see, you will be able to either follow it or tell me to go do one.

The contention here is the tangibility of the code when it is in the machine, but that to me sounds like asking me to prove with my naked eye that there is machine code in the machine, which is simply oxymoronic since I am not limited to proving anything only with my naked eyes and not with all my other senses.

TenQ:
The software in a Machine is REAL but not tangible. You can't touch it nor feel it by any mechanical means.

This is where you lose yourself. It's like saying the instruction I give you to stick your finger in your eyes, is not tangible after you have received it because you can't touch or feel the instruction you've received.

If the instruction I gave you is not tangible, how the heck did I convey it to you in the first place I wonder.

Why do you not include 'hear' in your "touch and feel"? Are your senses limited to your eyes and your hands alone?

ijebosb:
Though, I don't think bodily rights should be state dependent, I do find it hilarious that all these "abortion is murder" folk now want some form of pro choice position. Basically they are saying, "we'll accept murder for 15 weeks because we don't want to lose the election". I guess it was never about principle.

But it is not state dependent, but dependent on a majority of we the people in a state, which is what democracy is.

Think death as a sentence for committing murder. We the people in a state can decide that any one who commits murder should be sentenced to death. It's why some states have such laws and many don't. We the people decided, and thankfully, most of us in most states have decided otherwise. And just like most countries don't have death sentence laws do most states not have anti-abortion laws because we the people decided.

It is the fear of we the people that has made the anti-abortion brigade become abortion at 15 weeks. Principles go out the window if it loses them power and seats, as they are showing us.

Aemmyjah:
See kweshon
Define tangible before you ask questions

How I wish you'd do the same instead of using words you lack understanding of what they mean.

budaatum:
Tangible, means real and not imaginary; able to be shown, touched, or experienced.

TenQ:
This is not what is useful to the machine.

Are you admitting that the "human readable instructions" is tangible?

And can the machine have anything to read if the tangible human readable instructions is not compiled into machine readable code?

TenQ:
Is any instruction tangible?

Yes, Tenq. Every instruction must be tangible for it to be an instruction. I must make an instruction tangible for it to instruct you or anyone or anything.

If I want to instruct you to stick your finger in your eyes, I can't just think it intangibly in my head, but must state it in tangible words for you to hear the instruction! Same as I must write tangible human instructions that are compiled into ones and zeros for the machine to read!

TenQ:
The Compiler or Interpreter is another software whose job is to transform the human readable instructions to sequences of logical zeros and ones.

They are not tangible!

Is the "human readable instructions" tangible or not?

TenQ:
The human readable instruction on paper is meant only for the human being (it is useless to the target machine)

It may be
1. An algorithm (logical sequence of instruction)
2. A High level Programming Language Eg Python, C/C++, Java, etc
3. Assembly Language (Low level human readable language)


The High Level language or the Assembly language is Interpreted or Compiled by an appropriate Software program called a Compiler or Interpreter into a machine readable or machine executable code which are sequences of logical zeros and ones

The sequences of the logical zeros and ones written in any appropriate hardware medium is the software.

Slowly, we are getting there.

Is the "High Level language or the Assembly language" that is "Compiled by an appropriate Software program called a Compiler or Interpreter into a machine readable or machine executable code which are sequences of logical zeros and ones" tangible or not?

TenQ:
No it isn't.

The medium on which it is carried is tangible but the software it contains is NOT.
The software code is a sequence of machine readable sequences of logical Ones and Zeros. acting on data also stored as logical sequence of Zeros and Ones

How are those "Ones and Zeros" created please?

basilico:
Must be a raging liberal.

You think? The truth shall soon out.

ijebosb:
The dog that caught the car.
I'm sure all the Conservatives in this thread are pleased. Nevada can now ban Abortion during the 2024 election. (sarcasm).

I so love democracy. Nevadans can now vote to abolish abortions if that is what they want.

TenQ:
Those are mediums on which the software codes are written (media where the program can exist)

Is software code not tangible?

TenQ:
What you write as human readable instructions on paper is not the software.

Software is the non-physical instructions in appropriate hardware of the computer.

Tell me. What is the relationship between the "human readable instructions on paper", and "instructions in appropriate hardware of the computer"?

TenQ:
Everytime you open your mouth, you reveal how ignorant you are.
A Software is not the hard disk drive nor the CPU nor the Ram but the information written on them. The software in a Machine is REAL but not tangible. You can't touch it nor feel it by any mechanical means.
Only with another software will you be able to detect or interact with the information (software program)!

SMH!

The software is the code it is written from and in! It can be typed out on a piece of paper and put it in front of your naked eyes so you can see it for yourself and touch it too!

That said, please explain what you use to detect spirits.

AuthorMan:
The guy got you and the only thing you can say is to insult him?

Above is from your very first post on this thread, and below is your very first response to me.

Did you insult because I got you, or do you need a mirror so you can better see yourself?

AuthorMan:
You are guys are actors.
You act smart but remain the most stupid of humans.

triplechoice:
Apart from tools,there are alternatives to knowing something. Ask a doctor to know that

See, a software is not the same as your God. Stop fooling yourself

I'd say the software is more like the God books that their pastor codes into their heads, but of course the pastor might code them with his own garbage understanding, so garbage in garbage out, as they are proving here.

The God books (software) themself are not garbage though, least not according to atheist me, because if this particular software were not coded into them they'd be much less intelligent than they currently are.

LordReed:
I have answered your questions now answer mine.

That, my Lord, would be the day.

LordReed:
It amazes me how someone who sees himself as intelligent will be struggling with something so simple. Software produces effects that can be measured, simple but TENQ needs a kindergarten teacher to explain it to him.

Software itself is tangible, since you can very easily observe its physically existing code.

KnownUnknown:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_measurement#:~:text=Software%20size%20is%20principally%20measured,indication%20of%20effort%20than%20functionality.

I should have read this far to see you've already educated them, but I bet it's far above their level of comprehension since they are likely to have read it with their naked minds.

TenQ:
Anyone that cannot understand that non-tangible things can be real but not measurable cannot understand why the soul or spirit is tangible but cannot be physically measured.

It's damn hard discussing with language challenged individuals who don't know what the words they use mean!

Tangible, means real and not imaginary; able to be shown, touched, or experienced.

Software in any machine is real and not imaginary. It is able to be shown, touched, or experienced! But I don't think you can say the same about spirits, or can you?

TenQ:
I don't know where you find me use the word EFFECT except you are dazed.

My question was:
Tell me, how can one prove the existence of a CPU or MEMORY without the use of another software?

I can simply delete the software IN an AI machine, and you would know it is not there anymore. I can also show you the code that makes up the software in the AI machine.

Software is simply physical code, which I can very easily print out and show you. It's not like thoughts in your head, which is not physical, but more like your thoughts written down and thereby made physical so you can share your thought with others.

triplechoice:
This thread is fun to read.

@ TenQ


The definition for non physical that we have says it has to do with the mind ,spirit or non tangible

So, my question for you is this,

is a computer software a mental phenomenon or spirit ?

I'm going to read further, Triple, to see if they bothered to answer this brilliant question of yours.

LordReed:
My dear buda software is a non physical effect of physical interactions. They are like thoughts, even though it is the interation of the brain and body that produces thoughts, thoughts themselves are not physical.

These dunderheads are trying to gift you into accepting that a non physical realm exists. You can total accept that non physical things exist without accepting some nebulous non physical realm.

Software may indeed produce non-physical effects (though that does depend on the effect you mean), but the software itself must physically exist for it to produce any effect at all.

Just think. If I were to give you a software called Microsoft Windows, you will be receiving physical code, be it on a disk or downloaded. I can't just think it in my head and give it to you.

Same as thoughts. I can think in my head what I am writing here, but until I make my thoughts physical on here for you to receive and read, you'd have nothing whatsoever to respond to.

Same as air we breathe too, which we can not see with the naked eye, but can detect with other senses.

Do be aware that when they say "see", I read 'detect' with any of the other senses. I don't just have to look with my eyes, since I can smell with my nose, and hear with my ears, and feel with my hands etc, and I can even enhance those senses so they "see" better what one can not see with the naked eye.

However, they have not yet told me how they enhance any of their senses so they see the spirits they claim they "see".

AuthorMan:
And can you see the oxygen you breathe ?

Can you see the air you breath?

Is it visible?

You are guys are actors.
You act smart but remain the most stupid of humans.

You are obviously as limited as the op, who, on being cornered, changed his "see" to "with the naked eye", but I guess you might be too lazy to read the thread.

Perhaps changed your "see" to detect, then hold your nose and cover your mouth for 5 minutes, and come tell me if you don't 'see' the air you have not been breathing.

Paraman:
Don't worry, APC won't make the same mistake PDP made.

I hope you won't complain since you see no big deal with illegality

Good one this.

doncartel:
The truth is that there’s nothing like Inec or judiciary or democracy or rule of law. All na scam.

Thankfully, this is very not true, and is the sort of nonsense many are learning from dump who lost to Biden but can't accept it.

Nigerians are Inec and judiciary and democracy and rule of law, and we must make them work if we want them to work, instead of blaming our incompetence and loss on others and waiting for some long dead Jesus!

A wise person said the below, and I suggest you strongly heed it.

I want to ask if you are 12 years old but I don't know how to make it not sound like an insult.

Why did you tell "her to consult her parents before we take any action" if it annoys you that she puts her mother's picture in her WhatsApp?

To be honest with you, no advise would make any difference, because time alone would sort this out by breaking you 2 up. My only hope is that the break up is before you get her pregnant, or you will have a mother-in-law from hell for the rest of your life.

I Am Told I Am Dumb If I Marry A Nigerian Man
https://www.nairaland.com/8041062/told-dumb-marry-nigerian-man

The above is you Happytravels, from March, and you are already being beaten?

Have you considered renaming yourself Sorrowtravels, or Blindtravels. Both kinda suit you better.

Happytravels:
They tell me he truly loves me like crazy and that he would do anything for me.

"They" tell you?

I think you should start using your own senses to hear and see for yourself if your husband "truly loves you like crazy" instead of letting yourself be told.

Saying that though, it is rather crazy of him to break the door down and then hit you just because he loves his phone.