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Nairaland General › Re: At Your Age, What's Your Biggest Regret In Life by budaatum: 10:51pm On Jun 27, 2023

Younghacka:
I'm Wowed, Do You Mean You Have Read The Bible Cover To Cover, And Even The Quran?
It Takes A Special Kind Of Curiosity And Enthusiasm To Achieve Such Feat Which I Must Confess I Don't Posses.
I Think I'll Gatecrash Into The *Being And Time " And See How And Where It Goes From There.
I'm Inspired Honestly.

Of course I read the Bible and Quran from start to end, the Bible 3 times. There was no light in my day, and the telly, which was one single channel and started at 4pm, was rather uninteresting having imbibed a lot of more interesting BBC in my early days, so I had to occupy my time somehow and reading the Bible it was. My first reading took 3 years, as I only read it if I had no other books to read. I finished before I was 12.

Please do gatecrash Heidegger and let me know what you make of him, as my difficult is not do much reading (though I can't read because my eyes no more work), but because of my desire to understand and let it influence me as opposed to merely believing whatever he says.

Politics › Re: Have Mercy On Ekweremadu, Ohanaeze Ndigbo Begs UK by budaatum: 10:42pm On Jun 27, 2023

TemplarLandry:
Do you think it's Nigeria?
Do the crime, do the time niggah!

Unfortunately, he'd do a few years in jail in UK then they might send him to Nigeria to serve the rest of his time, and that's if they don't parole him early then deport his ass. They are lenient like that I'm afraid.

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Politics › Re: Was Peter Obi Wrong To Have Contested The 2023 Presidential Election? by budaatum: 10:34pm On Jun 27, 2023

Far too long to read I'm afraid. But someone answered your question. See below, and wegevv immediately above.

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Nairaland General › Re: At Your Age, What's Your Biggest Regret In Life by budaatum: 10:21pm On Jun 27, 2023

Younghacka:
Is The Audio Version Of The Book Available?
How Do I Get It?
And If A Philosophical Enthusiast Like You Is Having A Hard Time Grabbing The Gist. . . What Hope Does A Novice Like Me Have?
Do You Have Any Other Book That You Can Recommend As A Prequel To This?
Thanks!

As a prequel? Whao! Where does one begin!

From reading the Bible I suppose. Proper reading, I mean, starting at Genesis and page by page to the end if Revelations, because it is readily available and easy to learn to read. Then the Qur'an. To see what else is out there. They could be read the other way round depending on availability, but both are essential to cure oneself of belief and for learning to think and reason and research for oneself.

Then Plato, just so one understands what the heck Aristotle is talking about because he'd be next.

From there, you let yourself be led I suppose, through you investigating what you may have learnt so far.

You will need enthusiasm I do confess. For while I wish I'd read Heidegger when I was much younger, I wouldn't have comprehended what the heck he was saying or talking about. Golly, I struggle even now!

Audio Being and Time can be found here

Christianity Etc › Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by budaatum: 10:02pm On Jun 27, 2023

Maynmann:
This is a screenshot from wikipedia not my statement.
And the screenshot was talking about ziren, they were referencing him.
Ziren means nature in chinese I don’t need to read someone’s book to know that.

Like you don't need to read the wiki page you posted because it contains knowledge you were born with?

Mayn! If you have not read a book about Ziran, then you are talking ignorantly when you mention it! And you've done that with Plato, which you have obviously not read, which just makes me think you like talking about things you know nothing about.

And for your information, it's Ziran, and not "ziren", and in Daoism it means a whole lot more than just "nature".

Christianity Etc › Re: The Mission by budaatum(op): 9:54pm On Jun 27, 2023

13sense:
As same person, you keep quoting yourself with your alternative. ; D

I don't think I understand. Explain please where and how I "keep quoting yourself with your alternative".

Christianity Etc › Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by budaatum: 9:43pm On Jun 27, 2023

Maynmann:
I haven’t mentioned DT Suzuki in my statement

Please stop with the dishonesty. It is unbecoming.

Christianity Etc › Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by budaatum: 9:41pm On Jun 27, 2023

Maynmann:
The group, an upgrade of free mason is occultic.

And you therefore presume buda is a member of that group?

Do you also presume buda is a Bibleist because buda quotes the Bible?

Let me therefore quote the Qur'an so you can presume buda is a Qur'anist too.

Christianity Etc › Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by budaatum: 9:38pm On Jun 27, 2023

Maynmann:
One already has the knowledge bud. We are only acting as persons.

Knowledge is recognizing your ignorance.

Explain how you can have knowledge of what you are ignorant of please.

Take you. You are obviously ignorant of the writings of DT Suzuki, having not read any of his books, so how is it that you are claiming knowledge of what DT Suzuki wrote?

Are you acting as a person, perhaps? If so, you are obviously not recognising nor admitting your ignorance, and are even claiming you were born with knowledge you obviously lack.

Christianity Etc › Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by budaatum: 9:33pm On Jun 27, 2023

Maynmann:
That’s why socrates was termed the wisest man, he knows that he does not know.

And because he never claimed to know what he had no knowledge of.

Maynmann:
So basic, i wish you will understand, well but your occult

I expect this sort of juvenility from triple and I'm very sad to see it coming from you.

Occult means "mystical, supernatural, or magical powers, practices, or phenomena", none of which buda has claimed to possess.

Please know that not agreeing with you does not mean one does not understand what you are saying.

Christianity Etc › Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by budaatum: 9:28pm On Jun 27, 2023

Maynmann:
Ooh my saguna brahma

No, May, it's not about being anyone's saguna brahma, but about not talking about things one is not knowledgeable of.

If one talks about things one has no knowledge of, those who have knowledge would clearly see they have no knowledge.

Christianity Etc › Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by budaatum: 9:22pm On Jun 27, 2023

Maynmann:
Lol, they should mind their craft.
A doctor should be a doctor and a carpenter should be a carpenter.

That's like saying Maynmann should not talk about things he has no special knowledge of, but I'm certain and hope you'd disagree.

Christianity Etc › Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by budaatum: 9:18pm On Jun 27, 2023

Maynmann:
Wisdom is the same, it’s never personalized Bud.

So, you have not read D T Suzuki, and are just throwing terms at me that you do not understand but think you were naturally born with the knowledge of?

Well, just so we are clear, buda is buda specifically because buda has studied Buddhism and Zen and specifically the works of D T Suzuki, and was not born with any knowledge that buda has.

Christianity Etc › Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by budaatum: 9:14pm On Jun 27, 2023

Maynmann:
Everyone should mind their craft and do their job, no special knowledge.

"Should" by whom, and why should one? Can or should a person not go and do the work to learn to do heart surgery and also learn to fly planes and be a cobbler if they want to?

Who made this your "should mind their own craft and do their job" rule?

Christianity Etc › Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by budaatum: 9:11pm On Jun 27, 2023

Maynmann:
The function of living is for the soul, and living is a craft, the soul will do what it’s supposed to do naturally.

Mayn, have you read any D T Suzuki?

His Essays in Zen Buddhism are rather informative on how knowledge is taught and acquired, and are my favourites. They teach the opposite of "the soul will do what it’s supposed to do naturally", and actually teach one to be master of one's own being.

Christianity Etc › Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by budaatum: 9:04pm On Jun 27, 2023

Maynmann:
Nawa oo

"For example, the individual who selects one of the professions such as medicine, dentistry, law, the priesthood or any other profession must meet these same prerequisites for success".

Do you see why you wouldn't let me woo does have the "prerequisites for success" in heart surgery to perform heart surgery on you?

When studying for a profession the student must give all of his or her time, both day and evenings, until fully prepared to actively enter the profession. They cannot permit business, social affairs or others to interfere with their study.

And do you see why it is "special knowledge" that no one can possibly be born with and that can only be acquired through dedication, focus and hard work?

Christianity Etc › Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by budaatum: 8:58pm On Jun 27, 2023

Maynmann:
Exactly an heart is doing what is supposed to do on his own naturally.

What you Maynmann do is not what you are supposed to do! Nothing commands you to do what you do! You are no one or things slave! Every day you wake up when you have decided to wake up, and everything you do is what you have decided to do.

Correct me if I'm wrong please.

Christianity Etc › Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by budaatum: 8:53pm On Jun 27, 2023

Maynmann:
I wonder who taught my heart how to beat ; )

That is what hearts have evolved to do, enable your body to pump oxygen around your body.

But perhaps the God who created you taught it. What do you think?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Mission by budaatum(op): 8:45pm On Jun 27, 2023

triplechoice:
Nothing is free . There is always a price to pay.

You paid for those ones through the data you used in downloading them.

And the time I spent reading them too I suppose. Curing ignorance is after all not free.

Christianity Etc › Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by budaatum: 8:42pm On Jun 27, 2023

Maynmann:
I’m the knowledge.
I eat when I’m hungry.
I sleep when I feel sleepy.
I drink when I’m thirsty.

You sure as hell would not let me perform heart surgery on you if my claim to knowing how to was I was born with knowledge of performing heart surgery on Maynmann.

What you list above is knowledge that you were taught and acquired and not knowledge you were born with, and it definitely is not knowledge about the universe nor nature outside your own needs. But if you are claiming that's your answer to my question, buda rests.

Christianity Etc › Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by budaatum: 8:29pm On Jun 27, 2023

Maynmann:
That’s still part of nature.

I’m the knowledge.
I eat when I’m hungry.
I sleep when I feel sleepy.
I drink when I’m thirsty.
Everything happens naturally.
In a honey bee colony, the selection of the queen bee is a natural process carried out by the bees themselves.

We are all acting a persons.

budaatum:
Please tell me what knowledge you were born with.

Christianity Etc › Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by budaatum: 8:25pm On Jun 27, 2023

Maynmann:
Everything is happening naturally, one should not force anything.
Ups and downs are part of nature.

Yet, here we are unnaturally trying to force our own opinions on each other.

Please tell me what knowledge you were born with.

Christianity Etc › Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by budaatum: 8:23pm On Jun 27, 2023

Maynmann:
Everything happens naturally.

For you, perhaps, but definitely not for me for whom almost nothing happens naturally but by me getting off my ass and making things happen.

Today, for instance, I have not naturally eaten anything but what I have gotten off my ass to cook and put in my mouth.

Please tell me what knowledge you were born with.

Nairaland General › Re: At Your Age, What's Your Biggest Regret In Life by budaatum: 8:20pm On Jun 27, 2023

Younghacka:
Have You Finally Been Able To Finish The Book?

For where, lol! First, I can't read it, and even listening to it has me stuck at the 12th hour which is about halfway.

budaatum:
P.s. Martin Heidegger wrote an entire book on the subject that might interest you. I have so far read only 12 hours of it, or rather, listened to because it is above my reading level so I can not read it. But I've not listened to any hour less than 12 times, the tenth and eleventh hour at least 14, as I've been stuck on it for months now trying to grasp when I am hearing. I think in about 5 or 10 years time I might get to the end of it. I wouldn't have a clue what he's talking about if I hadn't read some of those who influenced him like Plato, Aristotle, Heraclitus, Kant etc, and some of those he influenced, like Arendt, Derrida, Foucault, Marcuse, Sartre, Popper etc. Try it if you can and tell me what you understand.

https://www.nairaland.com/6023861/being-time-martin-heidegger/1#99456897

Christianity Etc › Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by budaatum: 8:15pm On Jun 27, 2023

Maynmann:
You are the knowledge you are only pretending you are not, acting like educated “persons” ; D
That’s why you have to be reminisce.

I think you've gone into that realm you go to whereby further discussion becomes pointless. We went past this stage in a recent conversation, which proved very constructive despite us not agreeing, but this is nowhere close.

You can simple prove your point of course by answering the question you've been asked. But until you do, I'm afraid buda will rest.

Please tell me what knowledge you were born with.

Christianity Etc › Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by budaatum: 8:09pm On Jun 27, 2023

Maynmann:
I’m the knowledge, bud, you are too, so as the queen bee.

I am not "the knowledge", Mayn. The limited knowledge that I have has been acquired by me studying and learning and none of it was I born with.

Christianity Etc › Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by budaatum: 8:02pm On Jun 27, 2023

Maynmann:
I wonder who teaches a queen bee what to do?

It learns from its environment, Mayn. First, a bee has to be selected to be the queen, then it is placed in the environment where it learns what to do.

But anyway, please answer my question.

budaatum:
Please tell me what knowledge you were born with.

Christianity Etc › Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by budaatum: 7:56pm On Jun 27, 2023

Maynmann:
Yes it is, we are only relearning it..

Mayn, Plato was wrong, and humans have learnt a lot since Plato. And stop quoting Plato like it's some Bible to be believed please! It's writings to be understood and learnt from.

You were not born with any knowledge of anything whatsoever. But maybe I am wrong. Please tell me what knowledge you were born with.

Christianity Etc › Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by budaatum: 7:53pm On Jun 27, 2023

Maynmann:
Breathing happens naturally, “on its own”.

It doesn't, Mayn.

budaatum:
Sorry, but I do not do "natural abilities people are born with".

People used to call on my ma at all hours, some caught short and not being able to get to hospital. At nights it was mostly labour, a woman on the verge of birth giving. My job was to ensure water was boiled and towels were at hand to receive the arriving baby.

It always amazed me that the babys were not born with the most normally expected natural ability to breath, and only learnt by reacting to their new environment.

If we did not teach humans how and where to shìt they'd be shítting on themselves due to the lack of the "natural ability" to know better.

Christianity Etc › Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by budaatum: 7:50pm On Jun 27, 2023

Maynmann:
You already said “effects of sun”, as a thing that can causes effects according to our human senses.
It is you that’s using the “we”, I only copied you.
Science itself is observation using our limited senses.

Are you disputing the sun has an effect?

Many might agree with you that "science itself is observation", but I can bet you my last penny that observing alone would not land you on Mars or help you create a computer chip or perform heart surgery, and that much more than observation would be required.

You would not let me perform heart surgery on you just because you've witnessed me observing a surgeon performing heart surgery.

Maynmann:
Knowledge is knowledge, our understanding of knowledge is what is subjective, either you understand the earth as flat or square it doesn’t affect the shape of the earth!

Are you suggesting that a thing is knowledge even if not known?

Knowledge is defined as facts, information, and skills acquired through experience or education; the theoretical or practical understanding of a subject, so it is rather subjective, I'd think.

Maynmann:
You are not a doctor so why would I allowed you to do a heart surgery?
Just the same way I won’t allow a heart surgeon to fly me in a plane, each his doing their own job, no special knowledge.

Thank you Mayn. I have no 'special knowledge' of heart surgery, so you wisely would not allow me to perform heart surgery on you nor let a surgeon fly you in a plane.

Tell me. What if I go and observe heart surgery being performed, would you let me perform heart surgery on you then?

Christianity Etc › Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by budaatum: 7:39pm On Jun 27, 2023

Maynmann:
No jesus nor socrates didn’t teach the senses,

I guess I'm going to have to conclude that you did not notice that Jesus and Socrates taught the use of the senses.

Maynmann:
Knowledge is already instilled in everyone, if they know it or not.

This is so untrue! Even knowledge of breathing is not instilled in new born humans who have to learn it in reaction to the new environment they find themselves. Those who don't learn quick, die.

What you, Mayn, know was not "already instilled" in you, but acquired through extensive research, but let me know if I am wrong please.

Maynmann:
We can’t use our limited senses to understand nature, Ziren.

Nature has been understood by humans to a great degree and only because humans have studied nature with their senses. If they hadn't, they be dumb as fuq like stupid Adam!

Maynmann:
Wisdom is a form of a knowledge.

Wisdom is the use of knowledge.

Maynmann:
Everyone needs wisdom to live their lives, we need wisdom to be just.

And I'm certain you'd agree that many humans do not have this special knowledge of how to be just.

Maynmann:
When the knowledge of treating people was created it was called medicine.

The knowledge of treating people was not created. It was scientifically learned through extensive research and has forever continued to evolve into what it is today.

Maynmann:
When the knowledge of those things was created it that called those name, carpentry, engineering, rocket science, tailorong, they are not called “wise”, they are called knowledgeable.

A definition of wisdom is the quality of having experience, knowledge, and good judgement; the quality of being wise.

I'd say carpentry, engineering, rocket science, tailoring are far more that knowledge and include knowing how to do those things, which is the utilisation of knowledge.

Christianity Etc › Re: Near Death Experience Of An Atheist Professor, Howard Storm by budaatum: 7:22pm On Jun 27, 2023

Maynmann:
This has zero correlation with the discussion.

It does when you repeat what we've already agreed on as if we haven't.

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