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Maynmann:
You are defining the sun using your own limited senses.

I have not defined the sun at all, Mayn.

Maynmann:
We are observing science in our limited perspective.

Kindly stop with the "we". I am not observing science. I am using the skills learnt from learning science to observe so I may know.

Maynmann:
Knowledge is Knowledge.

I wouldn't say so myself, since knowledge is rather subjective. Knowledge, as in, what is known, used to be that the earth was flat and was created by some god and travelled around the sun, but the doing of science, as in, humans using their senses, have shown that knowledge to be wrong.

Maynmann:
A scientist should be a scientist, a cobbler should be a cobbler, each having knowledge of their crafts, but there’s nothing in their craft that’s “special” as long as they identify with the name of the craft that’s “scienctist, cobbler”.

You might just find that the knowledge of doing science or being a cobbler is "special", and is only acquired by those who seek it, but I guess we might need to understand what we mean by special.

I have no 'special knowledge' pertaining to the heart, so I doubt you'd let me perform heart surgery on you and you'd would rather go to a person with special knowledge of the heart I hope, and neither would you pay me to cobble your shoes since I have no special knowledge of cobbling.

Maynmann:
Yes “we” do see, the codex sinaitcus was created by the Chrestians and for the chrestians.

Has no correlation with what we saying.

Bible means collection of books, and the New Testament created by the chrestians was meant for propaganda.
One should know the origin of the book, who it was written for, why it was written, thats science which is knowledge itself.

I am not going over this with you again since we've established it in a thread of its own. Please go read it and get up to scratch so we may move on please.

https://www.nairaland.com/7246156/israelite-god-yahweh-shasu-tribe#115075808

Maynmann:
Socrates said that all individuals should strive for the love of wisdom and engage in philosophical inquiry as a means to understand the world and themselves better.

Socrates said that wisdom was not something reserved for a select few or confined to academic institutions. Instead, he argued that every individual had the capacity and responsibility to seek knowledge, examine their beliefs, and lead a virtuous and examined life.

Socrates, like Jesus, was teaching the use of the senses, which is science, so one does not just believe

Special knowledge does not mean "reserved for a select few or confined to academic institutions". Special knowledge is reserved however for those who ask and knock with all their hearts and minds and soul and being and other senses. Those who seek not shall never find.

Wisdom is not the same thing as knowledge. Knowledge is, the "sun at 12pm", while wisdom is why, how, what, etc, and 'lets build a rocket or telescope to go see for ourselves what we've claimed so we may actually know what we claim we believe".

Maynmann:
We have to be careful of the tale of iesus created by the chrestians as we see in codex sinaitcus

We do not see in codex sinaitcus that the "tale of iesus created by the chrestians", though it's obvious in any Bible that the tales of Jesus were created by those who wrote them. But think we've established that the storys and myths were orally trasmitted for centurys and then went through numerous rewrites, redacts, additions, translations, syncretism, omissions, etc etc, etc sufficiently already, unless you'd like us to go back to what we already established.

What should be next is us "scientifically" analysing what we read in said book to gain knowledge from it if there's any.

Maynmann:
And our senses are limited. We are calculating time using our limited senses and they using the concept of time to understand the universe. This calculation is already wrong already.
The sun is up not because it’s 12pm, the sun is up because it’s supposed to be up regardless if our senses call it 12am.

Science is not the mere observation of the sun at any particular time. Science of the sun will include what is the sun, what is its influence on what we call time (like how long it takes the sun to complete a cycle), what effect does the sun have and of what use is the sun in general etc etc etc.

In early days, the study of the sun resulted in religious schools to teach what was known so further study could be embarked on.

Maynmann:
There’s no special knowledge anywhere afterall we are acting as persons.

One could argue that there is "special knowledge" everywhere actually, special being a subset of speciality and specialization. I would need special knowledge to get to the moon, for instance, or to create a computer chip or a nuclear bomb or even uninterrupted electricity, and without the special knowledge of how these things are done, which the acquisition of would take many years of study, one would be dumb as a rock as far as such things are concerned.

Maynmann:
The death that was talked about was the body that the elohim “made”, you see that after the elohim saw that adam and eve are pars now, they cursed them but they could only curse what they “made”, after the curses, see what adam did and said….
They were elohims now, they could not die.

Same as the Jesus whom we read was nailed to a cross and stabbed and poisoned and died, lives in spirit I suppose, and as I will live in the spirit of what I have written on Nairaland long after I die and become worm food.

Mayn, you are going to forgive buda. I do not believe crap in any language whatsoever.

Maynmann:
The garden is paradise, look into the hebrew word used there.

If that's what you want to believe, buda will live.

For me, the garden in the east in Eden; where he put the man he had formed can not possibly be paradise where Adam and Eve were naked slaves.

Maynmann:
It’s in the hebrew bible called tanakh.

Exactly, “breathe of life”. So when he said eve and adam will die, does that include his own breath of life?
Elohims only “made” the body, they never made the “spirit” which is breathe of life.

Whatever is meant by "Adam will die" if he ate the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, was clearly a lie since we read how long Adam lived before he did eventually die. Unless you read only one book, of course, and believe Adam and Eve would have lived for ever.

Maynmann:
No Science means knowledge, maybe you meant scientific method.

We learn things in practical aspect right from the olden days.
Physics and chemistry are what happens in our everyday life, we are discovering it.

The scientific method, as in how ti use the senses, is the main thing learnt when one studies science. We "know something" by studying it with our senses, as in, by doing science on that thing so that we may fully comprehend it in its aspects.

Physics and chemistry, at the beginning of one's education, is the training of the senses in the methods of physics and chemistry. They do start off with telling one what has been observed, but the outcome of further study is how to observe or one would just believe the physics and chemistry they know without checking the validity of their knowledge, which is clearly not science.

Maynmann:
Adam was image of the elohim, like they said, he was created male and female, androgenous.

I did not find this in my own Bible. What I found was that after "the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done", only then did "the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being. This same Lord then took a rib from the man Adam and formed the female called Eve.

The creation formed in God's image in Genesis 1 is not the same Adam formed from dust in Genesis 2.

https://www.nairaland.com/6795272/reeves-pass

Maynmann:
Science means knowledge, it’s observed, everyone can use it, physics and chemistry were once called natural philosophy and were taught in the first academy by plato.

Science is a method used to observe and acquire knowledge and not just a thing one observes.

When one learns physics and chemistry and natural philosophy, one doesn't just learn about things, but also learns a method to observe things properly. It's the reason we do scientific experiments. To show how to see what is claimed to have been observed.

Maynmann:
The elohim image there properly refers to shadow, even though shadows can assume someone image, it is not the real thing.

All these animals you mentioned were in a garden, and the paradise doesn’t really mean enclosed space as used in hebrew.

The Garden was not Paradise! And there's no way one could conclude that Adam who was created from mud was an image of any God. For starts, he was not allowed to eat the food of the Gods and only farmed it on their behalf, and he was obviously far too stupid to be in the image of a god because he was far too dumb and didn't know how to use his senses until Eve showed him he even had senses.

triplechoice:
You have been forced out of your closet and now confessing .

Amorc teachings are crap put together by the con-man Harvey Spenser Lewis to make money out of fools like you .

Thankfully, he never got my money since all his books are available free.

Maynmann:
The human senses already has limitations, humans don’t have the best eyesight or the best ears, science deals with observation, so we are observing science in a limited position already.

We don't "observe science". We do science in order to observe better than the untrained senses with which we observe much less

Maynmann:
Jesus Christ didn’t teach any “Christians”, he taught the golden law, “do unto others as you would have them do unto you”.

One would argue he taught people. And the golden law was just one thing he taught amongst many other teachings, use your senses being just one.

Maynmann:
We see in the adam and eve story that the elohims only made the body of them, they didn’t make the spirit, the elohims could only kill the body not the spirit.
The garden was created for the images of elohim, adam and eve are not images anymore, they are now one of the elohims.
They don’t need the garden again, as elohim they can create their own garden.

Humans never needed a garden (enclosed space), because they were created in God's image to rule over all the earth, and universe, I dare add.

Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

That said, some humans were afterwards created from mud and were enslaved naked in the garden and those seem to be the majority. It's like they devolved.

Maynmann:
And the human senses are very limited.

And that's why we must train ourselves in the use of the human senses so as to reduce their limitations.

And hence Jesus Christ, who made Christians aware they had senses and taught their use, though one wouldn't agree with that watching many Christians here.

https://www.nairaland.com/6481507/what-clay-mud#100295773

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You should state which intel core i7 - 10th Generation.

triplechoice:
You have gone on the defensive .

You cannot be a judge in your own case . Allow anyone following to investigate for themselves if lie or not .

You will fail with your Amorc manipulative tactics with me . I know all about them .

I merely present the evidence you left out so others can judge if you lied.

Maynmann:
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Science is the formal use of the senses to investigate.

In Christianity, the eye (and other senses), are the lamp of the body. If one does not learn the use of the senses, the whole body would be in darkness with the being being unable to comprehend that which is around it.

Eve taught this by using her senses to test if she would die if she ate the forbidden fruit. She lived and freed herself from slavery in Eden and went on to live almost a 1000 years and populated the earth, we read.

triplechoice:
Jesus learnt in Egypt, according to the false Rosiscrucians teachings which Spenser Lewis has brainwashed you with .

Actually, it's according to the Bible, from where Jesus returned after Herod died.

triplechoice:
The phrase , third eye, is figurative . It simply means extrasensory perception .

You should read more and attempt to comprehend.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Mystical_Order_Rosae_Crucis

triplechoice:
To update them and cover your tracks ? You hypocrite and pretender

All is out already . It's too late .

Triple. Most people have eyes and know how to use them to look and see so they don't have to believe your lies.

budaatum:
Triplechoice has thankfully brought it to my attention that some of the links here no more work. Below is an updated link.

https://www.rosicrucian.org/rosicrucian-books

Image123:
Foundation is hardly seen if you know what foundation is. It is not the roofing or the decorations of a building. Billions of people have lived and still live without maths and science and history. The knowledge of Jesus Christ is not for you to get a job.

Who said a foundation was roofing or decoration? The knowledge of Jesus Christ is for one to live. And he himself said the bread is not sufficient.

No one "lives" without maths (unless they never have to deal with money), or science (the eye is the lamp of the body), and history (knowledge of the past). We read of such people on here daily wailing about their death.

My regret is not reading Heidegger sooner. Thankfully, it's a regret I can unregret.

Human anatomy sounds like a good foundation to go study medicine.

I'd look for schools abroad that offer scholarships to study nursing or teaching, if I had no money, and use it as my stepping stone into the future.

EnlightenedUFO:
While dumb idiotic maga cultists and haters of American diversity and freedom be wet dreaming about a 71 counts indicted criminal getting back into the white house (tufiakwa!), SCOTUS be saving democracy one opinion at a time.

Ijebos, budaatum, braniac are you guys surprised with these SCOTUS opinions in these three decisive cases, the gerrymandering in Alabama, Louisiana and then this?

A conservative* majority SCOTUS just saved American democracy but flat brain haters like basilico loco still be holding on to straws like mad men.

Thanks to Marc Elias. That man is a god!

You should not let flat brain haters like basilico loco consume your time with thier rubbish. That's all they are here to do so you don't go off doing more productive things with your time.

Triplechoice has thankfully brought it to my attention that some of the links here no more work. Below is an updated link.

https://www.rosicrucian.org/rosicrucian-books

Vivianat:
Say it in Naira

Stop being lazy. The lazy starve.

Zxcvbnmghtr:
Of course am glad you are not narrow minded.

I guess I'd take it as a compliment, though it's expected of us all not to be narrow minded.

Image123:
It's cyclical buda.

1Co 3:11 KJV For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

The world we live in does not agree, which is why we send you to school to learn maths and science and history and how to read and reason and think etc, so these things would be in your foundation too since Jesus would not provide you with your daily bread.

Vivianat:
How much is the firestick

She says in the video. Watch it.