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Janosky:
Religion is a means for the advancement of formal education that Courz Oteneaaron benefited from, this idiot forming woke.
But everything about religion is bad in his MUMU mindset.

Religion is unfortunately sometimes used as a means to hinder education.

Take the story of Adam for instance. The lie that he would die if he nourished himself with fruits of knowledge was an attempt to keep him ignorant and naked and enslaved in the Garden of Eden and to ensure he did not consume the profit of the garden he toiled in.

Not many teach Eve's story of checking whether what they'd been told was true or not. And in the process of checking, she gained sufficient knowledge to free herself and her dumb man from slavery and become self employed, where we read they went on to populate the earth and live to almost a thousand.

Country's that understand Eve's actions build libraries everywhere and fund their schools well, while schools in Adam believing countries tend to be third world with substandard schools and only a few libraries if any.

triplechoice:
If I found a way to ascertain it works , what is wrong with that ?

Do you know the reason why some herbal products in the market comes with this disclaimer , 'the claims of cure in this product is not yet proven '

If you found a way to ascertain it works, nothing is wrong with that at all. Just that we will ask you to provide us with the tests and studies you did to ascertain it works, and we will perform those tests ourselves to ascertain it works too. We wouldn't just take your word for it.

"Herbal products in the market comes with this disclaimer" because it has not been proven to cure what they claim. Its like if you found a way to ascertain it works but refuse to provide evidence of your claim for scrutiny or scrutiny of your tests failed to ascertain what you claim you ascertained, when you bottle it to sell, we will insist you label it with "the claims of cure in this product is not yet proven", and that's provided you prove it's not toxic, in which case we shall not let you sell it all. Snake oil would come under that label except those who sell it leave it off to deceive.

triplechoice:
You are very predicted . I know you will respond this way to avoid dealing with the embarrassment your stupidity has caused you .

Look for someone else to teach you , or teach yourself .old fool who doesn't know the difference between precognition and premonition .

What is third. eye and where did I say I have a third eye .

Third eye is in quotes .Werey who doesn't know that if an expression is in quote it doesn't mean it literally. Dumbo

Oh, how disappointing. There was me literally thinking you had an extra eye in the middle of your forehead.

triplechoice:
Some blind followers of science here don't understand what it really means to say something doesn't find scientific support yet ,but it's truth.

Some herbal remedies which are far effective than the orthodox ones sometimes don't find supported yet , . The truth here, is that it works ,but since scientist have not been able to identify the active constituents in the plant which gives it its healing property ,they will declare before they know it , that there is no evidence it can effect a cure ,even when people are already using it everywhere to treat themselves with perfect results .

This is just utter nonsense. If a remedy effects a cure, it has worked. And that work is the evidence of its efficacy. And scientist will search to discover why it works because that's what scientists do, they find causes for effects, and effects for causes. And if one scientist ignores that effect or cause, many others wouldn't so science can not ignore. But who goes looking for "no evidence it can effect a cure" just because "people are already using it everywhere to treat themselves with perfect results"? Hasn't research shown numerous so called cures that have had no effect despite the user claiming they have? Should objective evidence of a cure not be ascertained before you claim it works?

I guess its to do with how your brain works. But I would however leave you with some wise words once uttered.
https://www.nairaland.com/6589774/sandra-ezekwesili-prophet-tb-joshua/6#102467464

triplechoice:
You are about to learn the hard way

You will teach me through the wall with your third eyes no doubt.

Funny that searching for 'critical reasoning' brings up a lot of India productions.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kELXEwjqaF8

https://library.leeds.ac.uk/info/1401/academic_skills/105/critical_thinking

Kennyking1234:
Thanks Sir/Ma what if my parents could afford it?... Just need real serious convincing..

Why do you need serious convincing? If your parents can afford it then do that which your heart desires of course, but if you are not convinced, it's because your argument with yourself has not convinced you.

Since your parents can afford it I suggest you continue where you and secure a hold on the one bird in your hands, and afterwards go catch the two birds in the bush called Rain and Robotics so you can have three birds.

oteneaaron:
Hello folks,

Today, I would like us to have some serious intellectual conversation.

If you are too mentally lazy to read or if you feel that doing any form of research is a waste of time, please avoid this thread.

While I was doing some research into the role indoctrination plays in religion, I stumbled on a research paper by Professor Alyona G. Ayrapetova, doctor of philosophy (PhD) on psychological Sciences, National University of Uzbekistan.

This research paper is titled - INDOCTRINATION AS A MECHANISM OF PSYCHOLOGICAL MANIPULATION IN THE PROCESS OF INVOLVEMENT IN DESTRUCTIVE RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS


In this thread, I will be sharing the points I found interesting in the research paper and if possible, share real life examples of specific religious organizations who employ destructive indoctrination as a tool for manipulation.

Here is how the research paper was introduced -



It is all about the mind.

It is all about controlling what you think.

Politics, Religion and Advertising are designed to pass certain information or ideas to your mind.

Why is this serious?

Because you become what you regularly think about.

I think you become more "how" you regularly think about what you think about too, and even moreso.

Take me. I regularly think about religion and their gods but that does not make me a believer in imaginary gods, perhaps because of the sort of thinking that I do, as in how I think about what I think about.

Humans must be "psychologically manipulated", and it doesn't need to be a tool for destruction but a tool for development and for growth too. An example would be the manipulation of Nigerians so they do not kill each other or drive on the walkway or that they take personal responsibility for their neighbourhoods or to not participate in corruption or even learn to read and write, because education of minds which is what non-destructive manipulation is, is the cheapest long term and beneficial method to achieve these desirable goals. Even punishment is just one part of tools to manipulate the mind so it achieves positive development

The passage of certain ideas into the people’s minds is the purposeful and mindful and conscious goal of some. And though some may wrongly indoctrinate generations, a generation will arise that will critically consider what they are manipulated with, and "experience a transformation of thinking and the emergence of new political doctrines and religious ideologies that lead to the unification of thinking and behavior" and human progress will occur. It's how we evolve as a species after all..

You read the destructive side. The "Adam shall die" side. You must read the positive side called:
Education AS A MECHANISM OF PSYCHOLOGICAL MANIPULATION IN THE PROCESS OF INVOLVEMENT IN Societal Development to confirm that constructive religious (and non-religious) organizations exist and use a more positive side of "manipulation" to achieve positive outcomes. Add critical thinking to the mix and people might positively manipulate themselves to become gods.

Learn from Oxford.

https://podcasts.ox.ac.uk/series/critical-reasoning-beginners

basilico:
Netherlands. Climate change madness. Govt to forcibly seize 3000 farms and shut them down to save the planet.

I wanted to say you are too lazy to research why but noticed your source already said and you chose to cover you eye so you don't see.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/nov/30/peak-polluters-last-chance-close-dutch-government

triplechoice:
The subconscious mind can make us known directly things the observable human brain is incapable of making us sense or experience at any given time .

With the subconscious, one can have a precognition of an event that is yet to occur or know it before it manifest later. No part of the brain has been identified that can make this happen , yet some persons have this sort of experiences all the time .

Can you hear yourself presuming to be the only one here to have demystified what remains a mystery to you. Just about everyone on earth has a precognition of one sort or the other, from the precognition that a hammer would nail your ill-positioned finger to that woman you slept with without a condom will get pregnant all the way to the precognition you will fail if you do not study. Some even precognise that some shares they bought on the stock market will rise or tank and therefore take appropriate actions to advantage themselve, or that the plan they've devised will result in a 100 floor tower or that this particular rocket will land on Mars, but you think and want to continue to believe and want others to believe to that it's not their own brain precogniting when you manifest your so called ability to "see" through walls with your "third eye".

But what's more at issue is how you've not used any scientific mode of presenting your non-evidence but expect your very subjective "dem say" and "you say" to be taken as objective evidence.

Guess we'll see who it works on. Meanwhile, I'm giving you the critical reason award. You more than earned it.

triplechoice:
And please stop quoting me .

I will quote you as much as I want actually and subjectively.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOmEiDLWbJA

DeLaRue:
Then, I guess we'll be happy to live like North Koreans, Iranians, Burmese etc

LikeAking:
All those countries you mentioned are better than Nigeria.

Really? Or would you like us to place you in a certain category?

basilico:
They both lied. They should not have been allowed to possess a gun.
That's the nitty gritty

That's not the gritty gritty of anything and you know it isn't. They were both not allowed to own guns, basilico. Both were disallowed. Both then committed crimes of lying on federal paper. One copped a deal having had no priors. The other went to jail because he was on parole.

I did ask you to show me you understand what parole is but you played ostrich so you wouldn't see it sitting on your mind which is what buda intends to train myself to play with you henceforth.

CodeTemplar:
when you take your product to Intl market you price it in another currency and not Naira. Our crude from time immemorial has been priced in dollar/pound/euro.
You are deeply mistaken.

Maybe I don't see it your way because I don't make or sell crude oil.

When I come back from selling my own now cheap product in international market due to naira devaluation, I will return to Nigeria with my foreign currency and sell it in the Nigeria market and buy Naira because Nigerian pepper, rent and school fees is not priced in dollar/pound/euro, and unless I'm mistaken, the inflow of my foreign currency benefits the economy because I will make profit and hire more people to expand my business and make more profit and hire more people and I might even consider paying a fairer wage one day.

basilico:
Hunter Biden should not have been allowed to own a gun, that he carelessly handled.
He lied in his application.
Conrad Black lied in his application to own a firearm.

Probation aside,

No, basilico, you can't just close your eyes to facts and evidence and "Probation aside". When you disregard established verifiable pertinent facts and evidence like that, serious people will disregard you and say you don't know how to use your brain and decide that further conversation with you is time wasting and pointless.

Poanan:
With the minimum wage at 30% yet elected politicians and judges are having 114% increment. Suffer no de tire u abi

Payrise! Payrise!

And scrap NYSC!

CodeTemplar:
The crudenis priced in dollar equivalent and so I can't see how devaluation of local currency affects buyers at Intl stage.

Devaluation of our currency, less dollar for Naira, means buyers can come to Nigeria and buy in cheaper Naira. Crude oil is after all not all we sell, we sell lots more other stuff in Naira whereby buyer comes to Nigerian market having converted dollars to naira, though you'd be amazed how little Made in Nigeria you'd find on European streets. E so little I once planned to patent the phrase.

Crude oil is not selling at current prices with Russia discounting, so a devaluation of our currency is like a prize cut so it flies out the barrel.

Meanwhile, Nigerians are reskilling to make it.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/16/nigeria-economy-stocks-and-cost-of-living-soar-bola-tinubu-policies

basilico:
Point is, Black was a felon Not allowed to own an "assault" gun.
In the declaration forms If you are a drug addict like Hunter you should not own a gun. He lied that he was drug free .To make it worse his girlfriend, his late brother's wife threw the gun into a dumpster. Guy was screwing his late brother's wife.Who does that?
Don't forget that $$$ from China found its way into her bank account for no work done.

Conrad Black lied in the form application,got 46 months for lying on the form.

Conrad Black got 46 months because he committed his crime while on probation for another crime.

Basilico. Before you say a single word show me you know how probation works please.

LikeAking:
Maria continue to slide after P Tinubu floated the naira.

This Maria should bloody know her place and stay there or she'll be moving to Zimbabwe!

https://invezz.com/news/2023/06/21/as-the-nigerian-naira-plunges-is-it-the-next-zimbabwe-dollar/

basilico:
Kodak Black was sentenced to 46 months in jail for the same crime Hunter Biden was accused of.
Black, a two-time Grammy Award nominee, pleaded guilty in 2019 to providing an incorrect Social Security number on a federal gun purchase form in order to buy three firearms from a Miami-area shop.

"While on probation", you conveniently deviously failed to add.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
It depends on what u mean...talking about the word "UnBELIEVER"!

An unbeliever is a person who does not believe.

I must admit that there seems to be an age caveat though. Like:

Young - believe perhaps; older - disbelieve and know!

Curvinus:
You really have no grasp of how these things work. First, with devaluation, imports become more expensive, prices go up, workers demand and get a raise, local and external demand increases, then local sellers jerk up prices which in turn would crash local and external demand.

If currency devaluation was the way forward, how comes Venezuela and Zimbabwe aren't topping the list of global export trade?

The only way to encourage export is to industrialize the economy and produce quality goods that can compete favourably with the best from other parts of the world and at reasonable prices.

When you industrialize the economy, you improve efficiency and reduce the cost of production.

But tell me, does Nigeria even have any industrialization plan?

Meanwhile, exports are cheaper because foreign buyers need less dollars for more Naira, which increases our sales and increases demand for workers to make things which increases wages to attract better workers who's quality of life improves.

Sorry, but I'm throwing consumers under the bus. They need a pay rise to count.

Starz825:
women don't love men ..guy!!

One woman didn't love one man you.
Stop generalising.

Any one know how much the last lot got paid?
Would be good to compare.

LordReed:
Then how do you know it isn't a product of the interactions in the brain and body?

He doesn't know. He just wants to test if others know.

KnownUnknown:
It is golden and it’s wholly both because anyone can view it in their mind’s eye. No NDE because that would be heresy not orthodox.

Ah, that's what's missing. Insufficient heresy. If you had more heresy it would glow like light the earth will tremble and only you will see it..