₦airaland Forum

HedwigesMaduro:
What are the bills the church has to pay? Just being curious.

Electric. Water. Salaries. Paying for olive oil and candles. Return of investment. Interest on investment.

Need I go on?

HedwigesMaduro:
A fraudulent person that duped people of their money is right because he didn't capture his victims, put chains around their neck and forced them to give him their money. Your logic.

No. Though I knew soneone would come to the conclussion you have!

Oyedepo is not "right", just as God enslaving Adam and Eve in a garden is not right, but what's wrong is you seeking employment with a bad employer as if you have not got a choice to go seek employment elsewhere!

Angela4life:
I want to use this opportunity to warn general public out of experience and numerous witnesses of people they have victimized- if your planning for settling in winners chapel or appling for their staff or become one of their Pastors you go wound ooo!

Out of experience if your found wanting or they consider you a threat because your too excellent for them they will us that same CV you submit for the job together with your address and your phone line to monitor and manipulate your life so you don't succeed in any other thing you may want to do so oyedepo and winners chapel will feel powerful.

They will even trace you from you CV to know all the people you've worked with in the past, block every where and turn the hearth of everybody you know or you ever dealt with against you. Even in your back they will have secret meeting with area boys and the police to set you up and lock you up even jail you and in your back they will also meet your boss lie ahainst you or bribe him to sack and in your back they will meet your landlord to push you out of your accommodation so you start leaving in the street.

when they are done wrecking your life and your businesses they will joyfully tell everyone your a failure and your not good at anything and hypocritically meet you in your predicaments like they want to sympathize with you and tell you their is a witch in your village that is after you life meanwhile they are actually the witches biting and killing you.

If your still doubting just wait until you become their next victime and to achieve all this things is easy for them, they will secretly follow you know all the people you relate with, first tell them strange things in a funny way about you, be niece to them and come back the second time to tell them negative things about you then you will start wondering why you boss or neighbors suddenly turn against you.

But if your already in their web of torment all you need to do is stay away from anything that has to do with them and start exposing them to save lives because all the people you see anywhere exposing them are already once their victims

Funny, if true. Winners must have learnt this from the owner of the Garden of Eden, who got pissed off when his staff decided to stop being ignorant slaves and gained knowledge and wisdom for themselves. We all have read how he threw a tantrum and cursed them and kicked them out of his garden because they got too smart for his liking. That is exactly the same thing you have described above!

The moral of the story is, remain an ignorant slave so your boss can keep you in employment, or get knowledge so you can become self employed like Adam and Eve did and who then went on to "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth", and populated the earth, so we read, with billions of humans, some of whom are now on the way to rule over Mars and Jupiter and Uranus, as they were originally commanded to do before some God decided to enslave them in ignorance in the Garden of Eden!

Angela4life:
Ok I get you, now winners chapel is no longer charity but a business. Oyedepo and winners chapel claims they have money, oil well and Uk government recognized them as the best charity and a popular adage says charity begings at home so why can't he practice that for those pastors since they are barely six months in local villages.

Please is it only oyedepo that bible says we should give and he should not give to his pastors warefare?  Or does that gave him the right to monitor and manipulate their lives with the help of his flying monkeys every in winners chapel so they don't survive? Because out of experience and numerous witnesses that is the fate of all pastors he sacked and those he failed to post at all.

Right? You talk as if he captured people, put chain around their neck and forced them to work for him! No be dem find work go him church? By so doing, they have given him the right to treat them however he wants, and if they don't like it they can simply refuse to work for him, if he has not chained them that is.

Yes, he does have the right to monitor his employees and manipulate their lives so long as you agree to work for him. Every employer does it. They 'manipulate' you to wake up and arrive at work when they want you to and put in the number of hours they agree to pay you for. They set goals that you can only achieve by allowing your life to be manipulated however they want. And if you don't achieve the goals they set you, they have the right to fire you so that your life stops being manipulated by them.

As for their survival, aren't they supposed to be the shepherd of the sheep in their flock? If they can't themselves survive, how the hell were they going to shepherd the sheep in their flock so their sheep survive? And if they can't even shepherd their own survival, is it not right that Oyedepo sacked them before they misshepherd the sheep in their flock?

Oyedepo has not taken away their life nor whatever skills they may have, so they should just go look for employment elsewhere. There's lots of churches out there that would have them if they have the skills for the job, and if they don't have the skills as Oyedepo has claimed they should go seek other employment elsewhere.

An employer does not owe you. You sell them your time and they use it to generate an income out of which they then pay you. If you do not make them a profit they'll let you go and they'll find someone who does make them a profit.

Add Oyedepo the church entrepreneur, to the butcher and the baker and the brewer in the below and you might get my drift. Also read the [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2025%3A14-30&version=ESV]Parable of the Talents[/url] to see what happens to unprofitable employees.

PrideofLincoln1:
We are patiently waiting for them in 2022. The more noise they make with the Circus Clown Trump, the better for us in 2022 and 2024 because they will wake up the sleeping giants. Our massive Nationwide Blue Registration starts after the Labor Day.

You are mobilising to register to vote, you mean!

PrideofLincoln1:
You only hear your own sounds and that's good for you. Bye.

You obviously only hear my own sounds, so welcome.

benalvino3:
Yeah, if police want to kill people the protest for them to stop killing people will have police kill a lot of people till someone outside intervene or the people over power the police and defeat them. You dey talk rubbish

So, when "police kill a lot of people", people inside would not intervene but wait for people outside to intervene?

I guess you do not know how to protest. Go look at how people protested so Tommy Robinson got released. You posted it after all. And if Nigerians protest peacefully in the same way, I wonder how many people the police would justify killing before you inside say enough is enough.

PrideofLincoln1:
Wrong again. It's not by mobilization that we do not thump print in America. It's called technology. Get your facts right. Stop arguing for the sake of arguments.

Thumb print or technology, is not the point here! Technology is after all being claimed to have been used to rig in Arizona, and Atiku claimed technology was used against him too!

The point is, Americans, including yourself, mobilised for hours outside a polling booth in order to vote to get rid of drumpft, instead of cowering in fear at home claiming drumptf would rig the election and win!

benalvino3:
And you failed to get my point. Your BLM excuse does not make sense too. Incidents is not the same as police killing black people. Racist cop kill a black person is not the same as police killing black people.

Remember when you said you won't read my post because I generalise. But you do it just now.

The reason police kills is irrelevant, dead is dead, and police anywhere should not be killing people, and they will only stop killing people when the people stand up and say enough is enough like BLM is doing!

benalvino3:
The people cannot win against the army in the UK because they have no weapons.

In the US at least they gave their citizens means to fight back.

I guess you fail to understand that BLM and defund the police is fight against being killed by police and army, a right not given but continously fought for.

benalvino3:
Go fight na. We go watch to see how things will happen.

In the US at least they gave their citizens means to fight back.

Democracy is the means we are given to fight! We fight at the polling booth by electing the leaders who would give us what we want, in this case, the right not to be killed by the army.

It is what we ought to be learning here, how Americans fight to be ruled by leaders who would rule them as they want. Instead, my people are stuck here yelling "left, right, coon, umudike" at each other!

benalvino3:
Budaatum needs to take examples from north korea, Syria and China. The people who control the weapons are being paid very well and they are willing to slaughter their people to protect politicians. See even the police wey no they see food eat how them they kill people for politicians.

The US and UK army will not attack its people but you cannot say the same about Nigeria.

The pity is you think the army in US and UK just stopped killing its people, and so fail to see how the people themselves fought for the right not to be killed by their army.

The army in US and UK will not attack its people because its people have dictated to its police and army that that is unacceptable. And when we Nigerians show our army that killing us is unacceptable, our army too will stop killing us.

You got to fight for your rights instead of thinking your rights would be given to you without a fight.

I dust myself off and learn from the experience to ensure my next application is better than the last one. And after gradual improvements learnt from rejections I would have improved myself and no more be rejected.

PrideofLincoln1:
You only dance to your own tunes. We do not thump print in America.

You don't thumb print in America because you mobilised not to thumb print in America! When we mobilise in Nigeria we too would stop thumb printing.

PrideofLincoln1:
You can mobilize all you want and that will be negated by people that will carry the ballots into their bedrooms and votes as many times as they want by thump printing. What part of that is hard for you to comprehend.

The part that makes me understand you are talking crap!

If "carry the ballots into their bedrooms and votes as many times as they want by thump printing" is what wins elections, then you too go and "carry the ballots into your bedrooms and votes as many times as you want by thump printing". Except that this is a blatant lie you tell to convince yourselve your vote does not count so that you wouldn't bother to vote so the despotic leaders win! It's a trick that's been used from time immemorial and I'm amused you still fall for it. Are you not aware of incumbents losing elections in Nigeria?

PrideofLincoln1:
Why is it hard for Nigeria to use electrinuc voting backed up by paper ballots like they do in the West in case of disputes. You keep on yapping about mobilization when the mobilization will be gutted by massive rigging.

Is it not the mobilization of the people that will introduce electronic voting in Nigeria, or do you expect the despots whom you claim "carry the ballots into their bedrooms and votes as many times as they want by thump printing" that will introduce electronic voting?

kayusely70:
Nigeria belongs to the latter as most Nigerians are afraid to voice out their grievances cos of government brutal reactions.

PrideofLincoln1:
They know voicing out will cost them their limbs if they are lucky. It might even get them killed outright. I dare any Nigerian to go to the State Houses in the 36 States in the Country or Aso Rock and protest peacefully for three days and see what will happen. It's not thd fault of the scared citizens, it's the fault of the despotic regime that think of their citizens as disposable goods. So sad.

What is sad is you not knowing how to "voice out"! Did you "voice out" at the last US elections by marching off to Congress?

Americans did not "voice out" by marching to congress, and in fact, those who ignorantly voiced out by going to congress are being jailed as they rightly ought to be. Americans including yourself, rightly voiced out on polling day by voting for whom they wanted, and we can all see the effect of their voicing just by checking to see who now occupies the White House!

PrideofLincoln1:
Except that rigging in Nigeria is in favor of the elements in power. Another fallacy, who told you Stacey Abrams rigged in Georgia. I do not know when mobilization turns to rigging in your world. Do you guys rig in Britain.

Rigged is a word you use to absolve yourself of the responsibility of having elected those who rule over you. The proper word is mobilization, as you've described what Stacey did. If we Nigerians mobilise we too would overcome any rigging done by those in power. They after all are not the only one's at the polling booth.

triplechoice:
The sheepies are not interested in reading to know for themselves but are only interested in obeying instructions of those whom they think know better than them.

Then they obviously deserve the reward for not doing the work!

Adam was the same, preferring to remain a slave in the Garden of Eden for fear he would surely die on the day that he ate the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

The religious Christians would insist he did die on the day he ate, but those who have eyes would see that disbelieving Eve who decided to use her own senses did not surely die on the day that she ate, but her eyes opened, and she gained wisdom, and became free from slavery in the Garden of Eden and is written to have gone on to populate the earth with billions of humans who have gone on to “be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth and subdue it. rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the face of the earth” and are now on the way to rule over Mars and Jupiter and Uranus and be blessed just as God is written to have instructed before some people decided to write that some God caged Adam and Eve in the slavery of ignorance in the Garden of Eden.

Photoshoped!

PrideofLincoln1:
Look at the countries that are successful in the world. One thing they have in common is that their leaderships are afraid of their citizens and the unsuccessful countries are the ones where the citizens are afraid of their leaderships. Where do you think Nigeria belongs to there.

This shows how much power the citizens of a nation can have over their leaders. Nigerians too should organise so their leaders fear them.

PrideofLincoln1:
Rigging is very prominent in Nigeria's election. It matters not who the people voted for if the rigging is set in place. I just told you about Nigeria still thump printing in the 21st century. Why are you arguing just for arguements sake. What is called election in Nigeria is faux election.

Not agreeing with you is not "arguing just for arguements sake"! If rigging is set in place in Nigeria as you claim, go and rig better than those you wish to kick out! That is what Stacey Abrams did in Georgia. She outsmarted the so called riggers!

How many percent of your mother's income was invested in you?

Show us the account from when you began sucking her tit and we would be more able to calculate how much you should give her in return.

PrideofLincoln1:
Your comparison is void. Why would Trump wins when majority of Americans stood up to him while he was in office. I have never met an American that is scared of trump in his four years in office. Say that about Buhari and his henchmen in Nigeria.

Why would Buhari or any other despotic leader win if the majority of Nigerians stand against despotism and elect an undespotic leader?

Should Nigerians be afraid of Buhari and their henchmen when he nor his henchmen would go and vote with them? Imagine if anyone in America said they voted for drumpft because they were afraid of him and their henchmen! Should we not be more afraid of the despotic conditions they impose on us if they do win?

triplechoice:
Exactly why we have so many persons who appears to be walking through life with their closed and with the hope that at then of it all, they would step into heaven just like that without understanding how they got there.

If they read their Bible, the afterlife would be the least of their concern when they are not halfway through their 3 score and 10 on earth. A person who is not saved from hunger can, or at least should not be rejoicing about what happens when they die.

Christ afterall is written to have said, “Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.” So why be worrying about some afterlife that might be 10, 20, 30, or 40 years away, when God is supposed to be anointing your head with oil today and preparing tables before you so you can share that table with your enemies and perhaps make them your friends?

'Jesus' is simply the Logos that opens eyes, and one has to do work to even understand what Logos means. While he spat on mud and rubbed it in eyes, one still must go bath in the Pool of Siloam before one can say, "I can see!"

PrideofLincoln1:
The Fish rottens from the head.

This fish, however, rotted from the tail that elected the head!

If drumptf had won the last election, you would be here blaming those who elected him, so please do the same with regards to Nigeria instead of the equivalent of blaming drumptf for winning!

PrideofLincoln1:
What do you expect the people to do when they live under a despotic leader ...

I expect us to use our brains and not elect despotic leaders in the first place!

As for your "saw right here on Nairaland the last local election in Lagos where a woman was thump printing so many ballots for the Party in power", perhaps go look in Lagos instead of listening to lies on Nairaland, but even if it is true, we all must have read that "the hunter has learnt to shoot without missing", so instead of perching and being shot, be like the bird that learns to fly without perching!

triplechoice:
How many so called Christians would be willing to see your point?

I doubt its like democracy where the majority wins. No one needs to explain to lazy fuqs that they will indeed starve while waiting for manna to fall from heaven.

Christ himself is written to have said the work is plenty but the workers are few, and a smart person would easily understand that those who believe are plenty but the understanders are few too.

PrideofLincoln1:
He is not Nigeria but he's a symptom of what is wrong about Nigeria. The system is corrupt from the Presidency to the local councilors.

The system is the people, and not something that dropped out of space. We the people elected the president and local councillors, so blame us Nigerians if you must, and not Nigeria for what we have created!

benalvino3:
But in the UK the vaccinated are being hospitalized at almost an equal rate than the unvaccinated.

You don't get it. They said vaccinated people should still wear mask amongst themselves and they were hesitant to go back to normal. Fauci started putting on two mask after he got vaccinated.

Again, the numbers in the UK is worrisome

Hospitalised, but not dying like the unvaccinated!

benalvino3:
If you don't understand what I mean I can't help you.

I don't need your help to understand you are not shit unless you want to insist. I would need evidence though.

Tdotbluejays:
You forgot the fight over Samsung phones, the embarrassing mixed relay team e.t.c. that country is a mess.

The minister in charge is the mess, and he is not Nigeria!

benalvino3:
It does not take half a brain cell to know that the vaccines don't work. Fauci was asked if you are vaccinated and you are immune, why are you still wearing mask in fact doubling it. They were hesitant to even let the vaccinated go back to regular life.

The death rate amongst the vaccinated has been presented to you numerous times but somehow you just can't see how it is much lower than amongst the unvaccinated so further educating you is pointless.