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Dtruthspeaker:
Whatever you say,

But it seen and known that every farmer (Outside) is the one who planted his crops in the soil called farm as Proven in Agricultural Section here in nairaland Yet you say it is a Lie, and you say it is No Law

Even in spit and spite of this Declaration.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

Thus, all Farmers Like me are Liars and that which they harvest, is a Lie Also!

Okay oh!

You just have not provided any evidence or proof that your God is a farmer or a maker of "laptop, cars and phones", or that you have seen what you claim to have seen is all, and as you very well know, buda is very unlikely to just take your word for it and believe you. Sorry.

HellVictorinho:
I see.
I also hope you understand Hell Victorinho despite the fact that his head has no space for any God.
Love remains another issue.

Not everyone is understood by Gods, Hell. Some are programmed by hell too, and very many other things, but the best person to determine if they are understood is the person being understood.

As for your "no space for any God". When you have time, let me know the proportion of your posts in the religious section please, so we can determine from the objective evidence whether Gods occupy your space and time or not.

Dtruthspeaker:
The Producer of Plants, Animals and Man as seen and evidenced in Nature is Outside them.

This is absolute nonsensical conjecture based on the crap you have created inside your head!

You have made the assumption that "Plants, Animals and Man" are created like "laptop, cars and phones", and then you have lied that you have "seen" evidence of a "Producer" which you pulled out of thin air and then claimed is a law!

Sorry, but the mind of buda is far too evolved and developed and advanced for humpty dumpty wuruwuru lazy unthinking like that!

Sorry sharon, but you'd find I'm not particularly interested in beliefs since they are usually the crap that people create inside their heads, mostly without reading the book, it being a big book and rarely read by most, or misunderstood when read.

Do hola though whenever you wish to discuss knowledge, like what is actually written in the book you read for yourself, as I am always interested in the views of intelligent people who read.

1Sharon:
Nope, I'm mentioning what I KNOW Christians believe.


Majority of Christians believe God is the same as Jesus. Your views are in the minority and not widely accepted.

Am I wrong or right?

Martian:
The word Law ceases to have any meaning the way this fool uses it.

I'd still like to understand how he has used it, and where he got the law from.

One must not assume, you know.

Dtruthspeaker:
The Same, thus, by The Law that "A Creator is Always outside His Creations", God, is therefore Outside, Above and Beyond Us, the creation!

So that's "where" in my opinion you can Find He Who is God?

By the Law of Dtruthspeaker? Because I can not say I have come upon any such law myself.

Perhaps you might want to point me in the general direction outside where I can find the God you are talking about please?

Martian:
God exists in people’s minds?
Well, it’s always been that way and It will always be that way. Gods perish with the people who believe in them. History is the graveyard of the gods and soon enough Jesus will either join the Avengers like Thor or he will die.

You may want to check The Graveyard Of Dead Gods to be absolutely certain, Martian.

Dtruthspeaker:
No, I skipped nothing for you clearly said and presented


Interpretation- Thoughts Do Not Exist Outside, but Exist Inside.

Therefore, by your words, you have settled the "Existence" of Thoughts and then you settled the "Location" (the Where) of the Thoughts!

And I said where Gods exist, "inside the heads of those who create Gods in their heads", which clearly settles the "where".

Or would you like to suggest some other place where Gods might exist?

Martian:
Ok, I wanted to be sure because some take it literally.

What is the meaning of the allegory? Your understanding of it?

My understanding of it is that any God that must exist must exist inside human beings.

Or to be more precise, and since Gods do not seem to exist for all humans:

"Gods only exist in the heads of those who create Gods inside their own heads".

You are not a Christian. You are just mentioning what you believe Christians believe. Got you.

1Sharon:
In that case, stop mentioning me and go ahead talk to your fellow Christians. Cos we have done nothing but talk about Christian beliefs

Ignorance of others? They would also call you ignorant, even an apostate.

,'What I have been told to believe or read and know in a book myself'?

I just told you I'm not a Christian, why ask me that dumb question?

Martian:
I’m just curious Ms. Ma’am.
So, when you say mud, do you mean regular mud or something else?

Is everything mud or just humans? I mean are other fauna and flora mud too?

When you say breathed into it, I picture a giant casually picking up mud people and blowing into their noses. Am I in the ballpark?

It is metaphorical speak, Martian. Not to be taken literally as something that actually literally happened, but to be understood allegorically.

Dtruthspeaker:
Wrong thinking, Existence Always means it is Identifiable, Verifiable and Evidenced.

Thus, the reasonable question that arises is "Where is it? Is it in or out?" Not is it in existence?

Now, you do not have a problem of Existence but of "Location" and Place!

You have jumped to a second step of "where" "it" is, before defining "what" "it" actually is. You must after all know the "what" of it before you start looking "where" for it, don't you think?

So I ask again, "what is God"?

Dtruthspeaker:
Since HellVictorinho stands back, i"ll say, your first flaw is that "God does not exist" is inconsistent for contradiction with "God is created inside their own heads*

This is incoherent and unintelligible for It is The Law that "A Fact Cannot both be in existence and in Non-existence at the Same Period of Time"!

Then I guess you have not yet engaged with the numerous contradictions you encounter in life.

A thought does not exist outside your head, for instance, but yet you are thinking thoughts inside your head. How?

HellVictorinho:
So,you pray to the Gods in your head.
Why did you create Gods in your head?

Now you are getting there. I buda created Gods inside my own head after being an atheist for longer than you have lived in order to understand those who create Gods in their own heads so that I may be able to better know and love my fellow human beings.

Its like learning how humans have been programmed in order to better understand humans.

HellVictorinho:
You said none of us has seen if God exists or where God exists.
It was part of your prayer to the same God.
If you don't think God exists outside heads,then why do you pray to God?
Is God in your head?
Asking if my head is okay is unnecessary.

I repeat!

Gods do not exist except in the heads of those who create Gods inside their own heads.

If buda then prays to Gods, to whom do you think buda prays?

1Sharon:
I'm not a Christian. Majority of Christians believe that Jesus is god, you take that question up with them.

You feel you know better, tell them.

I'm reiterating what is believed.

If I wanted to discuss Christian beliefs I would find a Christian who believes it to discuss it with.

What I am however discussing here is what 1Sharon believes or knows or understands, and if 1Sharon would oblige me by speaking for herself, I would more than appreciate it especially if 1Sharon is not just spreading the ignorance of others.

So, I ask. Are you parroting what you have been told to believe or what you read in the book and know for yourself?

sonmvayina:
There was once a time when belief in God was akin to belief in one self..

I think what the religious book has been telling us is to belief in ourselves and be the best version of ourself we can possibly be.

It is this knowledge that we have failed to grasp and understand. Hence we always seek for a God or saviour outside of ourselves...as you might notice. Nigeria is what you get when the generality of the population have this mind set...

It was never about belief. It was always about Knowledge..@budaatum.

You are wise! God took mud and breathed into it to create human beings, but silly human beings go here and there looking for the God that dwells in the Kingdom that God built that is within them.

I guess if they knew that, they'd realise that [url=https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+25%3A40&version=KJV]inasmuch as they do unto each other whom they see, the God they see not would be pleased[/url]. But because they do not know this, they sound like brass, or a tinkling cymbal and have unlovable enemies!

Dtruthspeaker:
I am sure HellVictorinho is capable of pointing out that flaw and errors of your thinking, already further increased in your answer above!

Really? This same HellVictorinho?

Are you sure he does not need your assistance, or do you just not want to offer it to him?

1Sharon:
Majority of Christians believe the same things. Only a small sect of Christians don't believe God and Jesus are the same. And how well are those ones accepted?

Misunderstanding? Let me guess, you're the special chosen one with divine understanding right? And all other are unfortunate and lost right?

Do the majority dictate what is written in the book?

Did you read inside it yourself that Jesus is God?

Does one need to be a special one to use ones own eyes and brain?

What did you do to them before they threatened to harvest your skull and sacrifice it to their gods?

Or is your head just so valuable that their Gods want it sacrificed to them?

Image123:
Without faith, it is impossible to please God. All have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Realize these truth and you are on your way to freedom.

Have you not heard of the Parable of the Orangutan? The orangutan had no faith and did not know God, yet Jesus said, "Go and do likewise".

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HellVictorinho:
You are praying to someone whose existence you doubt.
That doesn't make sense.
If you don't know if God exist,then you shouldn't pray to God.
I KNOW THAT GOD DOESN'T EXIST.
I ALSO DON'T BELIEVE GOD EXISTS.

Doubt? buda? Is your head okay at all? Please read very carefully!

Gods do not exist except in the heads of those who create Gods inside their own heads.

If you do not understand, please ask questions. And do not ever dare assume you can be telling buda what buda can or can not do as if you are the God of buda. Your powers do not extend into buda's head! buda will pray to thin air if buda wants to.

1Sharon:
According to Christians. Don't act dumb.

Christians do not all believe the same things as you'd know if you are not dumb. You will find them arguing in many threads here if you bothered to check, which is why I strongly suggest you read the book yourself to know what is written in it instead of relying on the misunderstanding of those who might not have read it.

quickly:
thats not the solution, - the solution is for southern cow ranches . So u are not totally dependent on north.

The beef self has been a cause of sudden death due to chlolesterol and clogging arterties in heath. thats why fish is 100 times better.

Every othr place in the world cows live on a empty piece of land as long as there is grass.

them go they chop 24-7/365 till dey die.

Do you mean the below is the solution?

budaatum:
What I would hope is my people go and do Ruga on our own land and grow our own superior better cattle so we can make even more money and live better livelihoods.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOOPUKvG208

Livestock Transformation Development Plan

The Fear of Fulani Herdsmen and Cows!

Cattle Ranch 101

1Sharon:
Aren't Yahweh and Jesus supposed to be the same?

Supposed, according to whom?

Was Jesus praying to himself when he prayed, or did you just not bother to read the book yourself and are accepting what some people tell you?

KayaMaghan:
I deferred a session twice and carried over some courses too. And my grades are not encouraging. Anybody who knows me knows that I am neither a dull nor lazy student.

Its true that I do not know you apart from what you have told us about yourself, but I really can not agree with you that you are not at least serious with your life!

A serious person would have been welding or and making music while studying all these years, but you sound like you were deferring and carrying over while getting nowhere, and now you want to go do jamb and start another 10 years? Who has been feeding you all this time, I wonder!

My advice is that you concentrate on finishing your studies so you don't end up wasting the ten years you already spent. And go do some welding while you are at it. And stop being lazy!

Mikael0407:
I have so many questions but I will ask only two;

1. why didn't he have the place cleaned up before taking this picture?
2. why is he wearing facemask in the signpost??
3. Desmond, seriously why is your life like this

I mean, how can a person fail in such a simple obvious thing like that and people will say they did not see he was failing before he even began?

The person below sums us up accurately, I say!

tunapawizzy:
Na we d people dey fail ourselves. what did Desmond do in his first term to deserve a second term. Dont be surprised Desmond will win another term in that constituency or possibly use this kind of bridge to campaign for HouseofReps and he willl win in a free n fair contest...the problem is not Desmond, na we voters be d problem, we no rate ourselves at all.

obixcel:
Swalwell has filed a lawsuit against Trump
Yea.... it's Fartwell - the same guy who dated (probably slept with) a Chinese spy

Thank Mitch.

The sad thing about this thread is that it fails to recognise that all Scripture is corrupted from the very beginning. Its like you read how corruption entered the Garden of Eden but fail to understand how it can enter into the Scripture that you read.

That is why you will not recognise that God can not require human beings to remain naked and ignorant and enslaved and subceptible to the wiles of demons, nor see how a snake can make your eyes open so that you may see that surely you will not die because you have knowledge, but that you will live for so long, like 930 years that it will seem like eternity.

budaatum:
The Torah is the result of a long process of editing (or redaction, as it is called by scholars). This means that there is no one date that one can be pointed to as the date of composition. Most scholars think that the final major redactions took place after 539 BCE when Cyrus the Great conquered the Neo-Babylonian Empire.
https://member.ancient.eu/Torah/

The books of the Christian Bible were arranged in the sequence one finds them in today to tell the story of the creation of the world by a supreme deity, the fall of man from paradise, and humanity's redemption by the Son of God but these books were not written in that sequence nor would the original authors of the Old Testament works have had that particular story in mind.
https://member.ancient.eu/bible/

..the Hebrew Bible did not begin as a single book; rather, it developed over time through the compilation of many Judean texts. The texts, though, were not always understood as divinely inspired, authoritative, holy texts; the role of Judean texts in religious expression developed between the 6th century BCE and 1st century CE.
https://member.ancient.eu/article/1139/early-judaism/

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LordReed:
1. If a god exists, belief or lack thereof does nothing to change the situation.

2. If a god exists and is the source of all morality but yet you can adhere to the morality without belief then belief adds nothing to the equation.

Going by these to points above I am inclined to say belief in god is useless.

I could add more to this as time goes on but I'd be happy to hear your view.

Threads like these always begin from premises that we often tend to just take for granted and assume we know what is meant. No one asks, What Is God, what is a belief, what does it mean to say a thing exists, and we all jump in claiming we all understand equally and mean the same thing when the truth is, we are all ignorant fuqs, relatively speaking. Pity. How much more knowledgeable we would be if we only tried harder instead of making out our relative beliefs and misunderstandings is all there is to know.

Anyway. Yes, my Lord, belief in God is pointless if one has the intellectual capacity to understand that by 'believing' one obviously does not know.

But if by "believe" you mean a provisional stopholder until you knock and ask and seek with all your heart and soul and being and mind until you discover and find and know and understand, then it is not pointless at all, because it would be like having an hypothesis, which is the beginning of research and learning so that one may actually know.

So, let buda pray. Oh Mighty and Everlasting Lord God who none of us has yet seen or truly know if or where You may exist, let us be minded to grant ourselves the strenght and powers for the intellectual rigour that subjects like this require.
And please do not let the lowly satan add its division of theist versus atheist into the mix so we do not learn. In the name of the Jesus I read about in a book do I buda pray. Amen

PenuelFarms:
Well, beef is just part of your own diet which you can easily restructure, but for some others it is their source of livelihood.

Then, consider the following:

budaatum:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOOPUKvG208

Livestock Transformation Development Plan

The Fear of Fulani Herdsmen and Cows!

Cattle Ranch 101