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beardedboy:
Thanks for the contribution. That bu.ky was trying to say Boko Haram and Shekau's understanding of Islam is the true Islam and that's why Islamic scholars are afraid to debate him.

And funny enough he was telling me to go and recite my Quran very well perhaps so I can see that Shekau's ideology is the true Islam.

Boko Haram isn't the first of it's kind, al-qaeda, Taliban and many more have been before them and many Islamic books have been written to refute their ideologies.

In fact all these ideologies have a single mother; the khaarijee sect. There are many hadiths commanding Muslim rulers to fight and kill them.

I'm just disgusted at how this buk.ky is delving into an issue that he/she has no knowledge of and trying to argue without any fact.

Look buk.ky or whatever is your name I can give you dozens of hours lecture on these ideologies and what Islam says about them. That's if you'll calm down, listen and acknowledge your ignorance. But jumping around like a mountain goat trying to form woke on something you have no knowledge of is just disgusting.

Please lets start a thread on "Islam and violence", and let know other person contribute except both us. BTW, I did not ask you to go and recite the Quran, I said you should study it. Recitation and study are two different things. That is the reason why most Muslims dont know any thing about their own religion, thus they resort to violence or run away like we have it in the Islam for Muslim section. Do you have a hadith? Do you have tafsirs of the Quran? What do you know? Though I am not a Muslim, but I will lecture you about Islam from your own books and scholars.

naptu2:
Just a little point of correction. It was Muhammad Yusuf, the original founder of Boko Haram, that Dr Pantami debated. That was in 2008. They debated on things like Yusuf's statement that Western education is a sin, that it is illegal to work for government, etc. (many people say that Dr Pantami defeated Muhammad Yusuf).

This was the time that Yusuf was trying to launch his propaganda machine and I think that's why he agreed to the debate. It was held in Maiduguri and there's a video of the debate, but it's in Hausa.

A year later, Muhammad Yusuf launched a violent attack on the Nigerian state. He was subsequently arrested by soldiers and handed over to the police. He died in police custody. Shekau took over from him as the leader of Boko Haram.


Dr Pantami, an ICT expert and Islamic scholar, is currently the minister of information communication technology.

You can carry on with your debate.

Thanks for the contribution. @ beardedboy said the debate was with Shekau. But I am referring to the challenge by Shekau himself as reported in the media.

beardedboy:
What's this one saying?! So accepting a 'challenge' means one is wrong?!

This is not making sense.

beardedboy:
But you can tell Shekau defeated them without seeing the structure of his arguments, references etc.

See your nysnsh outside?!

And can you even identify an Islamic reference if you see one. You'll just be typing crap. Please save yourself some shame, stop typing nonsense.

I did not say Shekau defeated them. They did not honour his challenge. It can be held in a University or a neutral location. Have you ever read the Quran? I dont mean recite mumbo jumbo that you dont know its meaning. I meaning critical examination of its text.

Mrjeed:
[color=#990000][what is this one saying
Well it wasn't Your fault if not those oloribu somebody wey dey call dere sef Boko Haram

You are guilty by association. You have not shown them the peaceful Islam if there is anything like that. You only condemn them. Is your Sultan telling me that he cannot call them to order. Where are the scholars from Saudi and Al-hazar? You are altogether guilty. Every Muslim

Lukay99:
You're entitled to your own opinion, the problem with people like yourself is that you'll always believe whatever you want to believe even with zero evidence to back your claim. we have a situation where a mad man (boko haram leader) is saying the Quran said this and that without any reference or quoting of any Quranic verses. it's a fact that Islam/Quran teaches tolerance

“There is no compulsion where the religion is concerned.” (Holy Quran: 2/ 256)

“God does not forbid you from being good to those who have not fought you in the religion or driven you from your homes, or from being just towards them. God loves those who are just.” (Surat al-Mumtahana, 8 )this verse talking about being peaceful with all non Muslim that are peaceful with the muslims

According to Islam, no one can be compelled to live by Islamic morals.
 "You cannot guide those you would like to but God guides those He wills. He has best knowledge of the guided.” (Holy Quran/28: 56)


We can not force others to accept our point of view and our religion or faith. "For you is your religion, and for me is my religion.” (Quran 109: 6)

There are 4 stages in Mohammeds life
1. Pre-Meccan- Before encountering Jibril in the cave of Hirah
2. Meccan- When he preached and passuade the people to believe in one true God
3. Hijrah- When he was rejected as a fake prophet
4. Post-Meccan- When he conquered Mecca

In all these stages, his teachings on war were not same. You only took the verses that were in the Meccan period. Let me show you some verses after he conquered Mecca.

Sura 9:29-31- "Fight those who believe not in God nor the last day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of truth, (even if they are) of the people of the Book, until they pay the jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. The Jews call Uzair [Ezra] a son of God and the Christians call Christ the Son of God ... God's curse be on them; how they are deluded away from the truth! They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of God, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary. Yet they are commanded to worship but One God ..."

Sura 9:38,39,41 -"O ye who believe! What is the matter with you, that when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of God, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place ... Go ye forth, (whether equipped) lightly or heavily, and strive [jihad] and struggle with your goods and your persons, in the cause of God. That is best for you, if ye (but) knew."

This is just two verses from many. You need to study your religion more.

salykely:
Liar! When did shakau challenged anyone to a debate

Link https://www.pipelinenews.org/2013/dec/27/Boko-Haram-Leader-Shekau-Surfaces-Says-Nigerian-Jihad.html

"What I am doing is written in the Holy Qur'an and the Hadith and I will not stop. I challenge all the clerics of the world to question my deeds. Those underrating my capacity should have a re-think. I will never allow democracy to thrive. The concept of government of the people by the people for the people will never be possible and will never exist. Democracy shall be replaced only by the government of Allah, from Allah and for Allah."

Sheik Abubakar Skekau

beardedboy:
Olodo! Uncountable number of scholars have challenged Shekau on many occasions. Even Dr Ali Isa Pantami, the minister of communication, is said to have debated and defeated Shekau.

You better stop typing crap.

Provide evidence of the debate, we want to analyse it. You cant tell he defeated Shekau till I see structure of his arguments, references etc

GoTV:
May Allah accept your soul

allah has never helped anyone, not even Muhammed. He even said he was not sure of going to heaven. Do you want proof? Muslims generally invoke djinns to help them.

Preciousgirl:
Why do we cry when we pray?

And why do we babble at times?

If we remember how He is good and loving not withstanding our opposition to him we cry.
If we remember how wretched we were before his salvation found us we cry.
If we remember how we cannot save ourselves from sin we cry.
If we remember how without him we would have been invoked by witches and wizard and made to do nonsense we cry.
If we remember how he keeps us when we are surrounded by enemies masquerading as good neighbours we cry.

Why do you cry? For sinners?

ThatFairGuy:
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This is not Islam for Muslim section. Here, your puerile arguments will be thorn into shreds.

What are your thoughts?

OP,

The Christian Faith is of two type- evidence based and non-evidence based. What most you guys know is the non-evidence based.

OP,

If you are a christian, your guide is the bible. For your information, demons can do fortune telling accurately. So dont fall for that. Ask Jesus to help you and leave it at that. But the question is, whether you are a sheep of his pasture or a goat.

mynd1:
This is where some of yah are lacking common sense. What has Islam got to do with some blood thirsty useless pple? U think these ones practice Islam? get sense plsss

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What do they practise? Some of us know Islam more than you. How many books have you read? Which of the commentaries and Islamic scholar of old do you know? You are deeply ignorant about Islam.

Sirjamo:
Can you go as close as 20 miles to Shekau? If you cannot, don't come here to castigate anyone for running away from a certified lunatic.

He is not a lunatic, else you will be calling his mentor a lunatic.

abdulkayus:
Peddler of falsehood, when did that happen??.
That is how u guys go around spreading lies.

Linkhttps://www.pipelinenews.org/2013/dec/27/Boko-Haram-Leader-Shekau-Surfaces-Says-Nigerian-Jihad.html

"What I am doing is written in the Holy Qur'an and the Hadith and I will not stop. I challenge all the clerics of the world to question my deeds. Those underrating my capacity should have a re-think. I will never allow democracy to thrive. The concept of government of the people by the people for the people will never be possible and will never exist. Democracy shall be replaced only by the government of Allah, from Allah and for Allah."

Sheik Abubakar Skekau

Arespect10:
May Allah forgive you

But I did not lie. Had I lied, I would have gladly requested for Gods forgiveness for lying. May God show you what Islam really is, you may ask people in Middle East who dont know what peace and joy is because of Islam.

Pentasoft1978:
what's the meaning of condemning , what have they done to stop the occurrence, is it condemning that will raise the dead , they have been condenming for the past 4 years plus. They have refused to indoctrinate their Muslim brothers that killing for God is not a true doctrine.

The only way is to have a debate with them, showing clearly that BH are in error. Let BH also show that they are doing it right or else its Muric and co that are the hypocrite, for pretending, whereas allah has commanded them to fight in the way of allah.

HAKYN1:
Ignoramus, that is what you want to believe because your target is to tarnish the image of Islam. Boko Haram challenging anybody to a debate! How old are you? All those stories are no longer working think of something else

He mentioned it in a speech which he delivered in one of his videos. By the way, Its Muslims that are tarnishing their own image, not me. Muslims all over the world are now ashamed to identify themselves because of the activities of some of them.

NaijaRoyalty:
Anything to put The terrorist organization to a perpetual sleep is highly welcomed .

Nigeria cannot afford another boko haram

President Muhammadu buhari already declared Amotekun illegal and I'm fully in support of the president on this.

Amotekun Ko, Amokachi ni.

Now that the peoples eyes have cleared, we should all support

Everyone from SE/SS must support this and make it work. Anyone who wants the progress of that region must not attack their vessels on the high seas. They have always complained of security issues around that side. Its time to encourage them by showing that the region is safe to do business. Asari should speak to his people.

When Shekau challenged organizations like MURIC to a debate on who is the best of Muslims. They all ran away, because they know that the Boko Haram are the true Muslim who practice the sunah of Mohammed. What MURIC can do now is to reform Islam.

seniormallam:
Muslims in Nigeria should have tackled this issue from onset , but instead, they were emotionally sympathetic to the killings since their major victims are Christians.......... But today, these terrorist end up giving Muslims bad names, like I always say " if you are too deep in Islamic knowledge and practice, you'll surely end up as terrorist ".............education is what is helping southwest Muslims if not no difference.

Fact

They will be released. These are above the law. The laws are meant for others, especially southerners.

Dino is not wise. He did not remember how he stood against the killings the Fulani army is perpetrating using herdsmen. They will soon ask him to show the source of his money.

The Jihadi will not allow you elect your own leaders. They said it, and they are doing it.

Tranquillity360:
Amotekun is a Yoruba Regional army to destroy nigeria unity.

Whatever will help the country disintegrate should be encouraged. Though the North are jittery because they are scared of losing there monopoly of violence both through the military and militias created by them.

On the day Miyetti "allah" will retaliate, they will call Buhari to tell him to order the Jihadi Nigeria army to create a corridor of safe passage for Herdsmen. Or, they may call up the arms stored in mosques around the area. After attacking, they will pass through the safe corridor provided by our Fulani military back to their base. When the youths gather to retaliate, the Fulani army will come out and finish the remaining work in the name of maintaining law and order.

Only the Yorubas can end this madness once day they support the dissolution of this country. For now, genocide will continue, UN and EU will not come, they are fully in support of anything Islam.

LordReed:
He loves his people so much he hired more foreigners than any other company in 2018. He loves his country so much he doesn't produce his Trump branded stuff including MAGA hats in the US but in China. LMFAO!

I dont know about that. I believe the border closure was an upper cut to terrorist nations and the reversal of trade deals that were against US interest to empower nations that hate and want to destroy America. The man is committed to his people.

LordReed:
Any thinking person should be unsettled by Trump.

Trump is a great guy. He loves his people, he protects them from the liberals that hates America and want to use terrorists from the middle east to take over their country like they have done in Europe. Trump listens to his people, unlike the hate filled liberals who listen to outsiders instead of their own people. I love Trump!!!

LordReed:
Yeah the man who loves to grab em by the pussy is your Christian hero. LMFAO!

Trump University and foundation were all shut done because of fraud but somehow the liberals are devils and Trump a saint.

Not a Christian hero at all. He unsettled the demon influenced liberals.

From the dying testimonies in book written by one Solomon Shaw, Heaven and Hell is real. The dying words of David Hume and Francois Voltaire were even recorded.

A copy of the writing.

LAST HOURS ON EARTH OF THE NOTED FRENCH INFIDEL, VOLTAIRE

When Voltaire felt the stroke that he realized must terminate in death, he was overpowered with remorse. He at once sent for the priest, and wanted to be "reconciled with the church." His infidel flatterers hastened to his chamber to prevent his recantation; but it was only to witness his ignominy and their own. He cursed them to their faces; and, as his distress was increased by their presence, he repeatedly and loudly exclaimed:

"Begone! It is you that have brought me to my present condition. Leave me, I say; begone! What a wretched glory is this which you have produced to me!"

Hoping to allay his anguish by a written recantation, he had it prepared, signed it, and saw it witnessed. But it was all unavailing. For two months he was tortured with such an agony as led him at times to gnash his teeth in impotent rage against God and man. At other times, in plaintive accents, he would plead, "O Christ! O Lord Jesus!" Then, turning his face, he would cry out, "I must die abandoned of God and of men!"

As his end drew near, his condition became so frightful that his infidel associates were afraid to approach his bedside. Still they guarded the door, that others may not know how awfully an infidel was compelled to die. Even his nurse repeatedly said, "For all the wealth of Europe she would never see another infidel die." It was a scene of horror that lies beyond all exaggeration. Such is the well-attested end of the one who had a natural sovereignty of intellect, excellent education, great wealth, and much earthly honor. We may all well exclaim with Balsam, "Let me die the death of the righteous, and let my last end be like his. The Contrast Between Infidelity and Christianity.


Read about David Hume http://www.theoldtimegospel.com/daily/dye_01.html#017