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bjjose:
There is no happiness in this marriage, only greed push her to the old man. /In five yrs time when the husband will marry a more younger wife what will become of her.

In short, no probability she would be the last wife ??Deep

achorladey:

You are only reading and the sense of what is typed you fail to grasp.

Since you know their pastors nor worshippers do not accept me. How has that go to do with you? Do you want to advocate on my behalf? So that I gain their acceptance. Seeker of the GLORY of men. Your palaver!

The last part of the post is filled with the IRONIES stated earlier a confirmation that you are only reading but not listening carefully.

You ? Do u grasp the sense ?


It's funny u talk about testing but had been struggling to grasp difference between a covenant for those called and Jesus mediating for all men.

U are equating it to the same thing, that's where your problem started. If an expression reads those called, it's logical that some are not called.

But another expression says " all men " . logically everyone either called or not.

With those differences , no sound Bible student will equate the two context of mediatorship.

asalimpo:
you mean the grave. Sure all die but not all go to hell. You jws always wish tht hell is d grave even though scriptures indicate numerous times that it is a place of torment

Yeah a place of torment indeed. That's why those in the sea do not go there, u know ? - Rev 20:13

achorladey:
TATIME: They don't KNOW what they're doing BECAUSE if they do,THEY'LL just OBEY their so called PASTORS who told them NOT to LISTEN or discuss BIBLICAL MATTERS with JWS!

Maximus69: When I came in, I threw the GB's order to everyone and immediately I can see JWs complying with the orders so I concluded they're like soldiers who recognises their central controlling unit.

What was the order?

According to Maximus69.....So it's no more a hidden fact that JWs are DEVOTED BELIEVERS and EVER READY to take CORRECTIONS even FROM a NONE JW who simply got the INFORMATION INDISPOSED to the PUBLIC! The GB ORDERS them not to involve in on GOING social MEDIA DEBATE or ARGUMENT,and IMMEDIATELY at the mention of GOVERNING BODY
OneJ,Peacefulove,Tatime,Captivator and others became silent! KUDOS to all of YOU for showing me why it is REASONABLE and NECESSARY to belong to a UNIQUE GROUP where LAWLESSNESS is no MORE,unlike in the world out there where WORSHIPERS can just take a bold stand AGAINST the rules of the RELIGION to which they BELONG!


Order got support from the below..........


10 Today, Jehovah’s people are not often confronted with apostasy within the congregation. Still, when exposed to unscriptural teachings, regardless of the source, we must decisively reject them. It would be unwise to engage in debates with apostates, whether in person, by responding to their blogs, or by any other form of communication. Even when the intention is to help the individual, such conversation would be contrary to the Scriptural direction we just considered. Rather, as Jehovah’s people, we completely avoid, yes reject, apostasy. w14 7/15 pp. 12-16 paragraphs 10



So why must Maximus69 and TATIME follow ORDERS from GB.....

“We need to guard against developing a spirit of INDEPENDENCE. By WORD or ACTION, may we NEVER CHALLENGE the CHANNEL of COMMUNICATION that JEHOVAH is USING TODAY. “ (w09 11/15 p. 14 par. 5 Treasure Your Place in the Congregation)


"That FAITHFUL SLAVE(GB) is the CHANNEL through which Jesus is feeding his true followers in this time of the end. It is vital that we recognize the FAITHFUL SLAVE. Our spiritual health and our RELATIONSHIP with GOD DEPEND on this CHANNEL." Watchtower 2013 Jul 15 p.20


So have Maximus69 and TATIME complied with the ORDER GIVEN?

Yet the same FAITHFUL SLAVE taught the below.....


“We cannot take part in any modern version of IDOLATRY — be it worshipful gestures toward an image or symbol or the imputing of SALVATION to a PERSON or an ORGANIZATION. (1 Corinthians 10:14; 1 John 5:21)” – The Watchtower, November 1, 1990 p. 26)

“But Jehovah’s servants already belong to the ONLY ORGANIZATION that will SURVIVE the end of this wicked SYSTEM of THINGS.” Watchtower 2007 Dec 15 p.14


So what basis is there to challenge the words of GOVERNING BODY or the JWS....


The GOVERNING Body is NEITHER INSPIRED nor INFALLIBLE. Therefore, it can ERR in DOCTRINAL MATTERS or in ORGANIZATIONAL DIRECTION. IN FACT, the Watch Tower Publications Index includes the heading “BELIEFS CLARIFIED,” which LISTS ADJUSTMENTS in our SCRIPTURAL UNDERSTANDING since 1870. Of COURSE, Jesus did not tell us that his FAITHFUL SLAVE would PRODUCE perfect SPIRITUAL FOOD.
February 2017 Watchtower study edition fourth study article paragraph 12


Since the GOVERNING BODY admitted that they are NOT INSPIRED, how else can you make use of this scripture contained in 1 John 4:1 to address any of the teachings of the GB and their DOCTRINES..........

Beloved ones, do not BELIEVE every INSPIRED STATEMENT, but TEST the INSPIRED STATEMENTS to see whether THEY ORIGINATE with GOD, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

We are told to TEST INSPIRED STATEMENT, so what is expected of STATEMENTS NOT INSPIRED? E get as e be ooooo.

It's funny u talk about testing but had been struggling to grasp difference between a covenant for those called and Jesus mediating for all men.

U are equating it to the same thing, that's where your problem started. If an expression reads those called, it's logical that some are not called.

But another expression says " all men " . logically everyone either called or not.

With those differences , no sound Bible student will equate the two context of mediatorship.

achorladey:
CAPTIVATOR: True worshippers will worship the Father. That render them false worshippers, who worship " the creation rather than the creator " Romans 2:25

Achorladey: I asked you earlier will the FATHER reject the worship of individuals who do so through worshipping Jesus? You haven't answered that yet.

You want to Palm me go CREATION and CREATOR. hahahahahaahah!

Roman's 2:25 is the answer you seek. worship the Creator. Jesus told Satan to Jehovah ALONE you render sacred service

CAPTIVATOR: As for unity. You Lied, They claim to worship Jesus but which Jesus ? There are various versions of Christ among them.

Achorladey: You said THEY CLAIM. There is no way ASSUMPTION would not set in as it seems. Regarding VERSIONS of JESUS among THEM you have not shown me oooo.


CAPTIVATOR: A monicker peacefullove once highlight this. seed of disunity.


Achorladey: You can bring the post back let me see

Peacefullove :
Followers of Which Jesus ?
Trinity Jesus, non Trinity Jesus , non messiah Jesus , Jesus is just a good man Jesus , I believe in Jesus but not the Virgin birth Jesus , I believe in the virgin birth Jesus , which ?

seen?

CAPTIVATOR: When Christ ask: Who do you say I am ? All the disciples expressed THE SAME view of Jesus through Peter - Matt 16:16.

Achorladey: And when Thomas stated in John 20:27
that Jesus is his God, he has forgotten the SAME VIEW expressed through PETER. hmmmmmmmm I see!

Did Thomas said Jesus is OUR GOD? he expressed a personal thought just as Manoah who views an angelic representative as His God, strictly because the person is a representative from God. so it's not unusual for people In Bible times to speak that way.

CAPTIVATOR: Your realm of disunity on Nairaland platform as evidences by this thread is enough proof.

Achorladey: Realm of DISUNITY based on what?

CAPTIVATOR: No , just take a look at how brothers Stick closely with Each other,

Achorladey: What else will you say than the above simply because you PACKED all other religious denominations on one side and packed JWS on one side. What you fail to see is those denominations individually too enjoy the same UNITY just like the JWS have.

Don't forget you are all CHRISTIANS. Under the CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION.

CAPTIVATOR: But among you is disunity.

Achorladey: Response to this above.

CAPTIVATOR: Didnt Jesus appoint sherperds In the congregation?- Act 20:28, 1pet 5:2-4.

Achorladey: Jesus gave many GIFTS to the SHEEP and the Ability of some of the SHEEP to act as SHEPHERD is indeed one of them.

CAPTIVATOR Jehovahs witnesses adhere closely to this scriptural direction

Achorladey: So before the JWS came into existence other RELIGIOUS DENOMINATIONS don't follow the scriptural direction to follow leadings of the ELDERS or allow the SHEEP as it were follow the leadings of their FELLOW SHEEP(who take THE LEAD) and CHRIST give GIFTS of Holy Spirit to act as SHEPHERDS abi?

CAPTIVATOR: Here on Nairaland. Am sure there are sherperd over your disunited flock.

Achorladey: Hebrews 13: 20,21 Now may the God of peace, who brought up from the dead the GREAT SHEPHERD of the SHEEP, our LORD JESUS, with the blood of an everlasting covenant, 21 EQUIP you WITH EVERY GOOD THING TO DO HIS WILL, WORKING IN US THROUGH JESUS CHRIST what is WELL-PLEASING in HIS sight, to whom be the glory forever and ever. Amen.

Where did you keep this when I showed you earlier?

The Great Shepherd has promised to be with all his SHEEP far into all AGES.

Act 20:28 , 1Pet 5:2-4 , who are your sherperds on Nairaland? that's the question

achorladey:
CAPTIVATOR: Hebrew 10:24,25 " not forsaking OUR MEETING TOGETHER ". who are " OUR ( Paul included in this group) " thats meeting together ? unbelievers ? pagans , atheist, agonostics and traditionalists right?

Achorladey: Were I to ask AGAIN did Paul not at one time or the other MEET with all of the ABOVE and equally INCITE them to LOVE and FINE WORKS?

It says " DO NOT FORSAKE our meeting" ... Is that a one time or the other affair?

"OUR" MEETING TOGETHER.
Who are the OUR?

CAPTIVATOR: u need prayers i insist

Achorladey: I agree with you. We all NEED PRAYERS therefore the need the account in Matthew 5:43-48 keeps coming back. Here it is again.......

You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor’ and ‘hate your enemy.’44 But I say to you, love your ENEMY and PRAY for those who PERSECUTE YOU, 45 so that you may be like your Father in heaven, since he causes the sun to rise on the EVIL and the GOOD, and sends rain on the RIGHTEOUS and the UNRIGHTEOUS. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Even the tax collectors do the same, don’t they? 47 And if you only greet your brothers, what more do you do? Even the Gentiles do the same, don’t they? 48 So then, be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.


Obviously some of the ENEMIES we have as Christians could include AGNOSTICS, TRADITIONALIST, PAGANS, ATHEISTS and the likes, yet THEY NEED our PRAYERS just like you and I need PRAYERS.

Don't forget some of these PAGANS, ATHEISTS, TRADITIONALISTS, AGNOSTICS are individuals who one WAY or the other also AID the CHRISTIAN course.

So what EVIL is there meeting together with these people to INCITE them to LOVE and FINE WORKS?

Who are the "our" at Hebrews 10:24,25?

achorladey:
I can only repeat this once again.

My spirituality is not damaged, to incite people to love and fine works has no BORDER or BOUNDARIES

You quoted your friends and added that I need prayers but you failed to see what was cited, I will place it here again

Matthew 5:43-48


43“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor’ and ‘hate your enemy.’44 But I say to you, love your enemy and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be like your Father in heaven, since he causes the sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Even the tax collectors do the same, don’t they? 47 And if you only greet your brothers, what more do you do? Even the Gentiles do the same, don’t they? 48 So then, be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

When YOU GREET PEOPLE is that not an AVENUE to also MEET WITH THEM? Your friend picked GREET alone abandoned the rest of the scriptures. SMH and you jumped into it like that SMH.

Hebrew 10:24,25 " not forsaking OUR MEETING TOGETHER ". who are " OUR ( Paul included in this group) " thats meeting together ? unbelievers ? pagans , atheist, agonostics and traditionalists right ?

u need prayers i insist

achorladey:
CAPTIVATOR: 90% of your colleagues worship Jesus.

Achorladey: You could have answered the question bordering on WORSHIPPING Jesus posted earlier.

As regards 90% of my colleagues doing so is that not a very good indication for absence of CONFLICTING TEACHINGS as your friends have been AGITATING all along. Is that not a case of UNITY in what they BELIEVE.

CAPTIVATOR: You are all divided like sheep's without a shepherd.

Achorladey: I hope you can see the CONTRADICTION in the same post. 90% of them do same thing about worshipping Jesus, yet they are DIVIDED. How?

True worshippers will worship the Father. That render them false worshippers, who worship " the creation rather than the creator " Romans 2:25

As for unity. You Lied, They claim to worship Jesus but which Jesus ? There are various versions of Christ among them. A monicker peacefullove once highlight this . seed of disunity .

When Christ ask: Who do you say I am ? All the disciples expressed THE SAME view of Jesus through Peter - Matt 16:16.

Your realm of disunity on Nairaland platform as evidences by this thread is enough proof. No , just take a look at how brothers Stick closely with Each other, But among you is disunity .

Who are the sheep? Who is the Shepherd. Your position is all other Christian denominations apart from the Jws worship JESUS. I am forced to ask again, who are the sheep? Who is the Shepherd.

Hebrews13: 20,21

Now may the God of peace, who brought up from the dead the GREAT SHEPHERD of the SHEEP, our Lord Jesus, with the blood of an everlasting covenant, 21 equip you with every good thing to do his WILL, WORKING IN US THROUGH JESUS CHRIST what is WELL-PLEASING IN HIS SIGHT, to whom be the glory forever and ever. Amen.

Who are the sheep? Who is the shepherd?

If you know you know.

Didnt Jesus appoint sherperds In the congregation ? - Act 20:28, 1pet 5:2-4. Jehovahs witnesses adhere closely to this scriptural direction

Here on Nairaland. Am sure there are sherperd over your disunited flock

achorladey:
CAPTIVATOR: Apostate Virus has eaten deep into your system. Check the bold, that's the people that is expected to meet together to incite themselves to love and fine works, an unbeliever coming among them remains an unbeliever, his or her coming shows he wants to know God the more, of what business is an unbeliever doing in such gathering if not that he has interest to know more ? . and he will only get to listen to upbuilding things.

Achorladey: And your mind didn't pinch you ONE BIT in the course of typing the above that MANY UNBELIEVERS that get to visit the platform SOME had learnt one or two things about the JWS and eventually become a JWS. That some of them got there minds made up to become a Jehovah's Witness after visiting this platform. Same applies to many of this UNBELIEVERS that had joined other Christian denominations via the information they get via this same platform.


CAPTIVATOR: Compared to Nairaland where various topics and comments are created to LEAD people away from God , some threads even feature people that Nairaland has turn atheist and agnostics or liberal , even while a seemingly Christian topic is going on, someone will Just come and comment immorally or other things to pollute readers mind. u are spirituality damaged to have suggest Nairaland as a place of meeting for fine Works.

Achorladey: Oga CAPTIVATOR are you at the market to fish and pick out NOISEMAKERS. Many of the topics on the platform has also been created not only to make people believe in CHRIST but had made them understand what they don't even value about there FAITH.

My spirituality is not damaged, to incite people to love and fine works has no BORDER or BOUNDARIES.


If you know you know.

Leave apostate virus alone.

Hebrew 10;24,25 reads " And let US consider one another so as to incite to love and fine works.not forsaking OUR meetings together "

Us and OUR , Unbelievers included ?

U need prayers.

TATIME:
Confused dullard!
Who is talking about NOT greeting people here? If JWs aren't greeting people in their neighbourhood how can they go confidently knocking on the door of someone they don't usually greet to preach? and what motivates them to keep paying visits {uninvited} to home of neighbours?
If it is the unbelievers that are INCITING Christians to love and fine works,then what else is their to preach as being better of than pagans?
Hmmmmmmmm your thinking ability is INTACT indeed!

He needs prayers

achorladey:
Are you familiar with this?

1 Corinthians 14: 23-25 So if the whole church comes together and everyone speaks in tongues, and INQUIRERS or UNBELIEVERS COME IN, will they not say that you are out of your mind? But if an UNBELIEVER or an inquirer COMES IN while everyone is prophesying, they are convicted of sin and are brought under judgment by all, as the secrets of their hearts are laid bare. So they will FALL DOWN and WORSHIP GOD, exclaiming, “God is really AMONG YOU!

Now you know that we can meet together with ATHEIST, PAGANS, MUSLIMS and FREETHINKERS e.t.c.

Oga CAPTIVATOR, when an atheist, MUSLIM, FREETHINKERS enter into the midst of the MEETING(held at KINGDOM HALLS of JWs) or COMING TOGETHER, do you CHASE them out? When issues are discussed in such coming together, and a freethinker, Muslim, atheist have something to contribute, do you shun them?

Apostate Virus has eaten deep into your system. Check the bold, that's the people that is expected to meet together to incite themselves to love and fine works, an unbeliever coming among them remains an unbeliever, his or her coming shows he wants to know God the more, of what business is an unbeliever doing in such gathering if not that he has interest to know more ? . and he will only get to listen to upbuilding things

Compared to Nairaland where various topics and comments are created to LEAD people away from God , some threads even feature people that Nairaland has turn atheist and agnostics or liberal , even while a seemingly Christian topic is going on, someone will Just come and comment immorally or other things to pollute readers mind. u are spirituality damaged to have suggest Nairaland as a place of meeting for fine Works.

achorladey:
If you had respond to the question you isolated and other question around that question, you will have seen the answer you seek.

Na John 4:23 you still dey quote no be only here JESUS say make we WORSHIP the Father, let me help you with a better one, Matthew 4:10.

Now attempt my question.

90% of your colleagues worship Jesus. You are all divided like sheep's without a sherperd.

achorladey:
CAPTIVATOR @ 09:04 am Feb 14 posted this......?

Hebrew 10:24,25 meetings are important, like barrister ask: where is your meeting or address , drop it for anyone interested ?

https://www.nairaland.com/achorladey

Were anyone to mention the name on that link, who will they meet?

Oga CAPTIVATOR, U SEE ADDRESS?

If you know you know.

And who says we cannot make people disciples via this platform and always continually meet together here to incite ourselves to love and fine works?

When you are done laughing, come back and tell me why Christians cannot meet together here as a means of NOT FORSAKING gathering and INCITING one another to love and fine works.

God is not a God of disorder. How can you incite to fine works where atheists and others keep doing all In their power to discredit the Bible and God himself ? U are not okay at all, seems apostasy has successfully virus your thinking capacity for you to type the thrash above.

TATIME:
YES ooooooo You and your folks can meet FACELESSLY on NL,in order "to incite to LOVE and fine WORKS" by words without anyone SEEING how love works! Philippians 4:9

Barristter07:
People here might want to come to your meeting, drop your address

Okay, Captivator wants to come to your meeting, Give him an address.

u see address ?

achorladey:
CAPTIVATOR: He said those doing Gods will are his brothers,

Achorladey: Thank you, Mark 3: 35

CAPTIVATOR: one of that is declaring the Good news of Gods kingdom, are your so called brothers doing this Gods will too? Matthew 24:14

Achorladey: Yes MY SO CALLED BROTHERS are doing this God's will. Matthew 28:19,20 states so.

CAPTIVATOR: Hebrews 10:24,25 meetings are important,

Achorladey: As if I said meetings are not important before.

CAPTIVATOR: like barrister ask: where is your meeting or address , drop it for anyone interested?

Achorladey: MEETING address, www.nairaland.com/religion. You agree this is a meeting address?

After making disciple, you invite them to the address above . to meet with atheists, pagans, different versions of so called Christians, traditionalists . eeyah , This is how first century Christians do u know ?

achorladey:
So ti e. Pele oooooo

Your friend said EARTHLY part, I thought it is the HEAVENLY part that the PICTURE carries ni. Shioooor!

Since you agree with him concerning that, now go back to the list and PICK out the HEAD of the CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION of JEHOVAH'S witnesses as the EARTHLY PART of the JEHOVAH'S ORGANIZATION denotes . It is well arranged in ORDER

Don't even bring that Ezekiel 1 into this at all. because you will find the word "ORGANIZATION" tire for that scripture.

Are the apostles in Jerusalem head of the Christian congregation ? Hebrew 13:17

The same watchtower state clearly,

"Jesus is taking the lead in directing the earthly part of Jehovah’s organization . "

U didn't see that ?

CAPTIVATOR:
Together with atheist, pagans, Muslims and freethinkers , Barristerrrrrr

achorladey:
Barristter07: Brother, been a while . well done educating this UNSERIOUS FELLOWS like achorladey.

Achoradey: Awon SERIOUS FELLOWS, E Ku ise ooooo. Thank you for educating me. Na SERIOUS FELLOWS dey educate others.

Barristter07 someone said I belong to the Christian congregation but worship Jesus , another said I belong to Christian congregation but worship the Father highly divided.

Achorladey: How can we worship God WITHOUT JESUS CHRIST? Was JESUS worshipped here on EARTH and in HEAVEN? Who did GOD SUBJECTED all of US under. Can you HONOR God BY HONOURING JESUS? Do you BELIEVE Phillipians 2: 9-11. Do you agree with the Psalmist inspired word here in Psalms 2:12.

Let us see if indeed those that worship JESUS are not in THE SAME sense WORSHIPPING THE FATHER.

That DIVISION will know where it is COMING from or HEADED to?

Barristter07: But someone belief it's not important who you worship as long as you BELIEVED someone EXIST called JESUS which Jesus doesn't agree with going by John 4:23. Clearly why,

Achorladey: There is no way you will state the ABOVE without putting ASSUMPTIONS. "BELIEVED someone EXIST called JESUS" for your MIND abi? and NOT the minds of THOSE you are making ASSUMPTIONS for.

Barristter07: Clearly why, he couldn't state his beliefs , he is in a mess.

Achorladey: After repeatedly stating my belief even citing scriptures to back it up, you are still asking. It's only the MESS you see when I stated my belief. If you are only INTERESTED in the MESS, suit yourself.

True worshipers will worship who ?

achorladey:
People MIGHT come to your meeting, Are you not coming?

www.nairaland.com/religion is a meeting address, just a MENTION of my moniker on the platform is an invitation for me to meet. hahahahahaha!

Together with atheist, pagans, Muslims and freethinkers , Barristerrrrrr

achorladey:
CAPTIVATOR: With whom do you congregate?

Achorladey: Since you mentioned Hebrews 10:24,25. From the scriptures whom should I congregate with?

CAPTIVATOR: If you follow Kimmoms comment,

Achorladey: I don't even know your Mr. Kimmons, how do you want me to follow him, what you cited from wherever you have cited his comments or writings in relation with the discussion so far only tells me that you, you have indeed shown that the JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are a denomination under the CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION.

CAPTIVATOR: U are either in a denomination or refuse to name yourself

Achorladey: Is the CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION a denomination? Will it be wrong to say I am a member of the CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION?

CAPTIVATOR: ,that gives you the non denomination tag,

Achorladey: Is that so?

CAPTIVATOR: but even non denomination groups are many and different in variety. so he asked which none denomination group are we talking about?

Achorladey: You mean Mr Kimmons asking which none denomination is that? It's something for you to worry about. I am not the one who cited Mr Kimmons work.



CAPTIVATOR: No, Paul is not Sit at home,

Achorladey: Is that so?

CAPTIVATOR? he is an ASSOCIATE MEMBER of the existing CHRISTIAN GROUP of the time known as " The way ".

Achorladey: How do you know that "THE WAY" are a CHRISTIAN GROUP. I just hope you get the connection here. CHRISTIAN GROUP!!!!!! You make me laugh.

CAPTIVATOR: though circumstances FORCED him,


Achorladey: FORCED him to become what?

CAPTIVATOR: he never FORGET his brothers.

Achorladey: why should he? and FORGETTING ones brother is restricted to "NOT ATTENDING MEETINGS". hmmmmmmm.

CAPTIVATOR: Who are your own brothers in your non denomination group?

Achorladey: Go back and respond to the question based on who JESUS called his brothers. And those JESUS called BROTHERS before the discussion got to this point, are THEY DENOMINATIONAL or NON DENOMINATIONAL?

He said those doing Gods will are his brothers, one of that is declaring the Good news of Gods kingdom, are your so called brothers doing this Gods will too ? Matthew 24:14

CAPTIVATOR: Sit at home, someone WHO HAS NO BROTHERS with whom they CONGREGATE.

Achorladey: According to the mindset of someone that should CAPTIVATE others. Hmmmmm, it is still your assumptions anyway because I have shown you that PAUL indeed had a successful SIT AT HOME MINISTRY. Na you join your friend in citing SIT AT HOME MINISTRY, I showed you it's possibility from the scriptures.

CAPTIVATOR:Failure at Hebrew 10:24,25

achorladey: What conclusion do I expect you to bring out going round in circles with a PROGRAMMED mindsets. Restricting not FORGETTING brothers to MEETING ATTENDANCE. Christians are to MARK register at EVERYTHING MEETING to show that they are NOT FORGETTING brothers.Smh!!!!!

Hebre 10:24,25 meetings are important, like barrister ask: where is your meeting or address , drop it for anyone interested ?

Barristter07:
Beautiful!!! , But he refused to state his stances on matters , Scared he may be nailed . a Quote that exposed him brilliantly .

Lolzzzzzz , someone that said some people did not research their belief

achorladey
All this teaching where most one them did not research and arrive at the conclusion on their own. I guarantee you most will resort to your publications as aid in answering those questions when posed to them. So as it were most were indoctrinated, it will be a waste of time and resources.

You that have research, state it now .

Deadlytruth:
Just as you assumed I must be either Catholic or protestant for disagreeing with you. Can't you see your reasoning faculty is dead?
You are the idiot here. In John 3:16 Jesus used "no one" in the sense of the fleshy body and added that no one has ever gone and come back to earth. How does that invalidate our position premised on the parable of Lazarus and the rich man where they both went and didn't come back? I never knew you JWs' tendency to take verses in isolation has gone so bad that you even take fractions of a verse in isolation of the verse itself. Victims of manipulation of 8 men in New York. The day they will tell you that their light has shone brighter hence they've realized hell fire is real, you will start propagating it sheepishly again. Zombified Christians!

John 3:16 in the sense of fleshly body lolzzzzzzzz. No one means nobody .

Deadlytruth:
See experts of digression at work. Why not answer my question as to when Jesus followers were no longer around?

He ask that followers of which Jesus . there are many versions of Jesus . answer now

Deadlytruth:
Can it be found in the scriptures? Prove they are in the Bible. Zombified Christians who try to establish the authenticity of the Bible with human error prone records. They don't believe what the Bible says until they have seen it in an encyclopedia authoured by man. Inverted faith.

Prove him wrong

Deadlytruth:
You are the one disgracing yourself woefully. A typical JW trying to change the narrative from the giving of churches human invented names to the geographical naming of parishes. Did the church break up into different denominations in apostolic times to warrant your rather tricky defense of your organization's culpability with the claim that they name too follow the Bible by naming their parishes with geographical identities?
I guess the way you get your unstable and ever changing beliefs sheepishly from your publishing company which forbids her members from carrying out independent minded personal study of the Bible is the way you assume others get theirs from their Churches.
If with all the Bible references provided on this thread you still assume that belief in the existence of hell fire is not a product of personal study of the Bible but of Catholicism or protestantism, then you are the most stupid member of Nairaland. You have been asked why Jesus, in His literal interpretation of the parable of wheat and tares, referred to hell as fire, you have cleaverly been avoiding that question but keep on using abusive language on people as if you have a monopoly of it. You must be a very stupid religious bigot who can't debate with civility yet you call yourself a member of God's approved organization. By their fruits ye shall know them.

Have answered it.

Elsewhere he refer to it as darkness, telling Fire Is synonymous to destruction just as gnashing of teeth is synonymous to regret. Or is gnashing of teeth also literal for your imagined spirit entities ? Lolzzzzzz

Deadlytruth:
Lying is the very blood flowing in your veins. Where in that passage did you see it written that 'Lazarus died, but without being buried, the angels took his body straight up to Abraham'?
So "he was carried off" now means same thing as "he was carried off bodily"? You have smuggled 'bodily' into the statement so fast. Thief!


If it was Lazarus'body that was carried up while that of the rich man was left in the grave on earth, then how could the rich man have been able to see Abraham and Lazarus in heaven from his grave on earth?
If a physical fire was going to torment the devil and his angels as Jesus clearly stated in Revelations 20:10, then why wouldn't a soul being tormented by heat also assume that physical water would quench it? And did Abraham replied him that there was no physical water there to cool his tongue?

Lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz , Eat John 3:13,

achorladey:
CAPTIVATOR: Paul would never forsake meetings - Heb 10:24,25.

Achorladey: He encouraged us all to do so. People visiting Paul at home is that not an opportunity open to Paul not to forsake gatherings?

With whom do you congregate ? If you follow Kimmoms comment, U are either in a denomination or refuse to name yourself , that gives you the non denomination tag, but even non denomination groups are many and different in variety . so he asked which none denomination group are we talking about ?

Jumping from SIT AT HOME MINISTRY to FORSAKING MEETINGS. Hahahahahaaha!

CAPTIVATOR: The act u cited , he was under house arrest as a prisoner from Jerusalem.

Achorladey: At that moment in time, circumstances made Paul become who? A SIT AT HOME CHRISTIAN. YES or NO. A sit at home Christian who carried out his MINISTRY CONTINUOUSLY therefore a SIT AT HOME MINISTRY . YES or NO. Sit at home ministry is possible?

Your friend brought the Idea, you supported him and also went ahead by citing Ronald Kimmons, I used the scriptures to show its possibility as seen in Paul's case.

CAPTIVATOR: don't twist scripture here.

Achorladey: I am not willing to do so.

CAPTIVATOR: He clearly exposed your tricks, didn't he? Read it over and over again

Achorladey: I read your post repeatedly and I told you what I could make of it in line with the discussion so far that you have in essence use that cited material to prove what you and your friend that do not want us to believe or accept that the CHRISTIAN CONGREGATIONS of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES is one out of the CHRISTIAN denominations is indeed one of the Christian denominations.

Please do reveal the TRICK I want to play on you.

No, Paul is not Sit at home, he is an associate member of the existing Christian group of the time known as " The way " . though circumstances forced him, he never forget his brothers. Who are your own brothers in your non denomination group ? Sit at home, someone who has no brothers with whom they congregate. Failure at Hebrew 10:24,25 .

Peacefullove:
Firstly, am just a follower on this thread. But the highlighted red part is a stupid comment, you accuse the other guy of speaking where your holy book is silent, but here you are doing the same. Is tongue not a part of the physical body ? I leave you to answer that, something is wrong either you guys are right or Bible Jesus Is wrong to say Spirit don't have a physical body . one must be true. Even if we are to go by what your Bible said, a spirit should not even have a teeth to gnash, since spirit don't have bone.

I wonder o, Thanks For that

achorladey:
Ma je ki oro mi sun e.......

MEANING OF THE WORD "HEAD".......

1. the upper part of the human body, or the front or upper part of the body of an animal, typically separated from the rest of the body by a neck, and containing the brain, mouth, and sense organs.

2. a thing resembling a head either in form or in relation to a whole.

3. the front, forward, or upper part or end of something.

4. a person in charge of something; a director or leader.

5. a person considered as a numerical unit.

6. to place something at the beginning or top of (something) in order to introduce or categorize : to put something at the head of (something, as a list) Each page was headed with thewriter’s name.

How does this APPLIES to the PICTURE below and the LIST CONTAINED in the PICTURE below?


" A PICTURE is WORTH a THOUSAND WORDS " is an English language - idiom. It refers to the notion that a complex idea can be conveyed with just a single picture, THIS PICTURE CONVEYS its MEANING or ESSENCE more EFFECTIVELY than a DESCRIPTION DOES.

Barristter07 on Feb 04 @ 5:50pm

Show me one single publication where it's stated that governing body is the head of the Christian congregation I belonged . # Quoted A5. I demand an answer or be shown a LIAR

Barristter07: SHOW me

Achorladey: Response in PICTURE

Barristter07: One single publication

Achorladey: Not two, not three, not four but Just ONE, take it to CBN that picture is from the WATCHTOWER magazine

Barristter07: where it's STATED GOVERNING BODY is the HEAD of the CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION I BELONGED . # Quoted A5. I demand an answer or be shown a LIAR.

Achorladey: A look at the PICTURE once again this time CONCENTRATION should be focused on the list STATED there in and the definition of the WORD "HEAD" above.

Oga Barristter07,

what position are the CONGREGATIONS?

What POSITION is the GOVERNING BODY?

Bonus question: Which position you dey Barristter07?

NOTE the EMPHASIS on your word "I BELONGED (CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES)" quoted by ME as YOU posted it on February 04 @ 5:50 pm.

It says " Earthly " , Jesus is in heaven directing things from there. That same watchtower you twisted says.

" IT IS awe-inspiring to contemplate that we are part of a vast universal organization. The visions recorded in Ezekiel chapter 1 and Daniel chapter 7 vividly portray Jehovah maneuvering matters to a grand climax. Jesus is taking the lead in directing the earthly part of Jehovah’s organization to focus on preaching the good news, to care spiritually for those carrying out this work, and to promote the true worship of Jehovah. What confidence this gives us in Jehovah’s organization!​—Matt. 24:45."

Seems something is affecting your eyes. As for the heavenly part of the picture , its a combination of image presented by Ezekiel chapter 1 and Daniel chapter 7 as explained.

No wonder Bro Barrister07 calls you a liar .

Deadlytruth:
Read the entire passage first before you argue. That verse is silent on whether he was buried or not buried. Where the Bible is silent, you don't speak for it. Rather you allow it speak for itself.
It neither said 'and the angels took him up to Abraham without being buried first'' nor did it say 'and he was buried before the angels took him up to Abraham'. Speaking for the Bible where it is silent is one of the evil attributes of the JWs and it is through such means they cook up human laws which they portray as biblical truths to the unsuspecting and the gullible.
For such cases of silence, you rather allow the Bible speak for itself by reading the entire passage or reading a little further at least.
In verse 27 the rich man asked Abraham to send Lazarus back to his father's house to warn his brothers of his situation.
In verse 30, Abraham refused and argued that if they would not listen to the prophets, even if Lazarus were to rise from death they would as well not listen.
Now, how do people rise from death? Is it not through the return of their spirits and souls to their physical bodies on earth? That clearly means Lazarus' physical body was buried on earth or else the question of him returning to the earth as a person in the flesh wouldn't have arisen if it was his physical body the angels carried up to Abraham.
Put in another way, the point the rich man was trying to make is that his brothers would believe the testimony of a dead man who returned to the earth in the same physical body with which they knew him while he was alive with them. So the mere fact that the rich man demanded Lazarus return to earth and Abraham disapproved it means they both acknowledged that Lazarus' physical body was left behind on earth.

Lying is in your blood. Where do you see Lazarus was buried in that story ?

" Now in the course of time, the beggar died and was carried off by the angels to Abraham's side . "
He was carried off bodily oga .

" Also, the rich man died and was buried " so different
.

This will expose the bold, the rich man ask for water , physical water or spiritual water ? how could Lazarus dip fingers into a physical drinkable water if he wasn't bodily ?

Tell me why Angels don't carry dead body from mortuary today

achorladey:
CAPTIVATOR: Instead of you to cry,

Achorladey: Why should I?

CAPTIVATOR: u are not intelligent enough

Achorladey: You want to start your own lectures on ADJECTIVES like your Friend bah?

CAPTVATOR: to know sit at home ministry

Achorladey: Sit at home MINISTRY is still a "MINISTRY"

CAPTIVATOR: is an APPELLATION for SOMEONE who doesn't ATTEND any MEETING with others, just SITTING at HOME.

Achorladey: who does not ATTEND any MEETING is DIFFERENT from SOMEONE who MINISTERS to people WHO visit such SOMEONE at HIS HOME, such MEETING as it were becomes a CLASSIC sit at HOME ministry. That SOMEONE minister to those visiting that SOMEONE at HOME.

Take a look at this........Acts 28: 30 - 31.....

30 For two whole years Paul stayed there in his own rented house and welcomed all who came to see him. 31 He proclaimed the kingdom of God and taught about the Lord Jesus Christ—with all boldness and without hindrance!

Oga CAPTIVATOR sit at home MINISTRY is POSSIBLE and not a bad THING to do.

Paul would never forsake meetings - Heb 10:24,25. The act u cited , he was under house arrest as a prisoner from Jerusalem . don't twist scripture here .

CAPTIVATOR: Here is a good report on non denominational trend.

Achorladey: Okay, let me get a look.


CAPTIVATOR: "There is actually no such thing. When a church claims to be “nondenominational”, what they are really doing is refusing to label their denomination. That church will still take stances on controversial issues of scriptural interpretation. The stance on a given issue may be that that issue is unimportant, but that claim is highly controversial in its own way: Who gets to decide which parts of the Bible are “unimportant”?

Now, what do so-called “nondenominational” churches do differently? Well, that depends. Which “nondenominational” church are we talking about? And differently compared to whom? " - Ronald Kimmons ,

Achorladey: You have started by running to "RONALD KIMMONS". Well done. All I can pick from here is you are in essence telling me is that the CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES is a DENOMINATION of the CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION. Very good of you.

He clearly exposed your tricks, didn't he ? Read it over and over again

Deadlytruth:
Tell us why the spirit screamed as it was leaving the body of the mad man in Mark if it was not due to being subjected to torment by Jesus? Jesus Himself mentioned repeatedly that an eternal fire has been prepared for the devil and his angels. So if an evil spirit could ask Jesus whether he had come to torment them before time, then it means those spirits themselves are aware that they have a date with the eternal fire which Jesus had told people of.

Mark 1:24 Have you come to destroy us?

Destruction is their end not torment. Physical fire can't harm a spirit being..

In Exodus, the angel was the fire itself. See it below:

There the angel of the LORD appeared to him as a flame coming from the middle of a bush. Moses saw that the bush was on fire but that it was not burning up.

Now according to you, spirits alone can't burn. So we can conclude that the bush was a spirit since it wasn't burnt up by the fire. See yourself?

Exodus 3:2

There the angel of the LORD appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush. Moses saw that though the bush was on fire it did not burn up. NIV

Presence of the angel In the fire is why the bush can't burn, Just like presence of an angel in Nebuchadnezzar fire didn't allow fire burn Shadrach , Meshach , Abednego .
Again, physical fire can't affect a spirit being

And we all know that it takes having a tongue to speak or scream. Then the spirits who asked Jesus questions in Mark 5 were not really spirits since they could make speeches....an act doable only with fleshy tongues. So the book of Mark is now lying, right?

Spirit do not need a tongue to speak. They are not fleshy beings Mr Deadlytruth . Tongue is a flesh, a means of speaking by earthly humans, Going by Bibles statement that spirit don't have flesh. Explain why the rich man has flesh ? Either jedide lied that spirit don't have flesh or he Is correct.

Meanwhile you have still not answered why Jesus did say the fire in the wheat and tares parade was Hades during his literal interpretation.

Jesus said fire because fire represent second death. Elsewhere he compared it to Darkness .
Matthew 8:12
But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Darkness to tell you fire Is a picture of death.


But am asking again: if its spirit that go to your imaginary hell , how come disembodied spirit will have teeth ( bone ) to gnash when Jesus said spirit doesn't have bone ?