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zodiakzax:

If I were you I would shut up and go back to the other threads, before you start making yourself look stupid which you have already started....

I asked your block head guy Barristter07 if he agrees with me that it was Yahweh and not Isaiah speaking in Isaiah 48:16, did he answer? I told him if he did I will compare that to see if indeed Yahweh called another My Lord? He read it and kept mute so instead of saying things you don't know go back to my thread with him and comment .

Gruni1234:
All points noted, you clearly have the upper hand. Detailed and masterfully executed. I am quite busy to fully comment, but will surely do. It's quite obvious barrister is struggling and isnt fully conversant with his doctrine. Your organisation clearly said Jesus is the Begotten Son of God. It's striking why you continue to deny that. But just try to reduce your insults @zodiakzax, points will still be made and understood without the verbal assault. Remember we are reading.

zodiakzax:
Barristter07


Let me start answering you then, hope everyone enjoys:

You said:

"na wah , Adam cannot save you. Like I said earlier " SUM " go put you for. Hot trouble"


Ans: irrelevant, If Adam hadn't disobeyed, God wouldn't have come to die for my sins.

You said

"Which human being perfect or imperfect ?"

Bruv honestly all jokes aside are you saying Jesus was born Imperfect? God never made man imperfect, Sin made man imperfect, God cannot come as an imperfect man but a perfect man hence the miraculous birth of Jesus. I'm being serious here don't for argument sake be stupid to say My Lord Jesus was born imperfect...

You said

" since therefore the children share in flesh and blood , he himself likewise partook of the SAME NATURE " Heb 2:14 RSV

Abeg, which nature did the children have which Jesus shared same , Perfect or Imperfect ?"

Now we jumb to RSV, , what happened to Phil 2:7 NWT version... by the way John 1:1 RSV says and the Word was God.. So by using RSV do you believe it's true?



Well The perfect humans in the garden of Eden weren't made of gold and silver, gold their body and silver their blood, they were also flesh and blood just like us.


Don't forget " Sum "..... I didn't...

You said

"For the records, human spirit is not a person". ( Luke 23: 46


Well without the Spirit of man there's no person. The Human is Spirit, Soul, Body... without one the other isn't complete.



Good now the problem:

You said

"The problem with defending a. Lie is , you will keep telling another lie to cover the first one. And you well know this is not the first time of you been caught telling lies on this thread to defend yourself.

[i] @ red , if going by your assumption ( which is funny as hawizzy007 pointed out in relation to Trinity, means Trinity never existed from beginning . . ) that a topic for another day"

Well why can't the topic be for today? Hawizzy007 obviously did not understand what i wrote and therefore making a fool out of himself, you on the other hand I thought was more discerning than the others, you have also completely showed that you as dumb as them..... Well I challenge you to prove to me from my statement that what i said meant trinity never existed from the beginning....


You said

"If holyspirit is same with the Father before been manifested to the world , TELL US Which Spirit. God gave Moses ? The Father ?"


Let's see what I said

So the Holy Spirit took over COMPLETELY AS THE THIRD PERSON OF THE TRINITY WHEN JESUS SENT HIM. SO JESUS COULD NOT HAVE INCLUDED HIM BECAUSE HE WAS THE SAME GOD (BEING ONE WITH THE FATHER)HE WAS REFERRING TO AS KNOWING THE TIME. 

Well I never said he was same as the Father,did I? ....I said he was the Same God, being ONE with the Father.. Holy Spirit is God and He is One with the Father as God. I never said the Holy Spirit was the Father did I?


Now you said "Neither did he say " its in the power of the Father and I " .

But clear , Fathers own power !

Scripture doesn't. Contradict ( Matt 24:36)"

Well you made a bold statement that you can show me where Christ said he didn't know the time even after the resurrection.

So we both agreed that Christ wasn't the same after the Resurrection. I told you before the resurrection we know Christ didn't know the time because He said so, and because He humbled himself as Man and didn't want to claim equality with God.

Since we both agree that Christ changed after the resurrection then we need to also carefully examine him after the resurrection,

when asked the same question after the resurrection He didn't say He didn't know, all he said was it was in the Fathers own Power, so since as you said he didn't also say "its in the power of the Father and I" then we can't conclude hence your so sure claim doesn't make sense... You were still assuming...



You said
"The Father calls him My son, and he himself said i am Gods son. Later at revelation he DECLared it again."


You are still making a fool of yourself by denying that Jesus is the Begotten Son of God. Why are you denying scriptures man. Scripture clearly says He's the Begotten Son of God.


You are clearly getting out of your senses bruv, your organization believe that Jesus is the Begotten Son of God and yet you come here because you were exposed, to lie.. my problem is with your organization and their lies not you, so if YOU don't believe that Jesus Is the BEGOTTEN Son of God then that's up to you.

Quoting from your website your organization says:


"The angels of heaven are sons of God even as Adam was a “son of God.” (Ge 6:2; Job 1:6; 38:7; Lu 3:38) But the Loʹgos, later called Jesus, is “the only-begotten Son of God".


Here is the link, go and educate yourself in your false doctrines again and come well..

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200003331


To further expose your stupidity you continued:

"Begotten means bring into existence"

Well, term begotten anything you please bruv since it doenst mean create then we are cool.

Your stupidity continues:

Abraham exist Before Isaac , how was he begotten? By sexual inter course with Sarah . the only one from that union.

Clearly the Father exist before the son , so how was Jesus brought into existence"

Yahweh had sexual intercourse with Himself, seems thats what you want me to say .... stupidity... most useless question I have ever been asked....

Isaac was the Begotten of Abraham even though he wasnt the only Son, even though Isaac including the other Sons of Abraham came as a result of sexual intercourse, Isaac is said to be the Begotten of Abraham.. You brought this up and I agreed with you..

So why this stupid question? YAHWEH BROUGHT FORTH THE SON,GENERATED THE SON BUT YAHWEH DID NOT CREATE THE SON.

and i am said to miss the point totally...




You see guys what he is doing? Because of proving a stupid point he clearly denies the teachings of his organization by refusing to aknowledge that Jesus is the Begotten Son of God. Because if he did that it shows Jesus is not an angel hence proving to the whole world that his organization is false and makes mockery out of them and himself. He choose to believe a lie than accept the truth.

He has also failed to comment on when I challenge him to show me where Jesus said He was the Son Of God. He showed that he was basing his argument on an ASSUMPTION..

He is also saying Jesus wasn't a perfect Human being and that Yahweh had sexual intercourse with himself to bring forth the Son.


SHAME ON YOU BARRISTTER07

zodiakzax:
..just a simple verse and all this round about.....


So if EVERY KNEE IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH AND UNDER THE EARTH MUST BOW TO JESUS AND CALL HIM LORD, WHY THEN ARE TOU SAYING HE IS NOT THE LORD OF HEAVEN AND EARTH? IT PLEASES YAHWEH THAT EVERYONE INCLUDING HIMSELF SHALL AKNOWLEDGE THAT JESUS IS LORD OF HEAVEN AND EARTH.

OneJ:
Matt 11:25
"At that time Jesus said, I PRAISE YOU, FATHER, LORD OF HEAVEN AND EARTH because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned , and revealed them to little children"


Lies , twisting and distortion na virus for your blood
zodiakzax !!!!!!!

haywizzy007:
Lool
The guy wanted Jesus Christ to say "FATHER MY LORD OF HEAVEN AND EARTH"

zodiakzax:
Honestly i admire the way you still fight a lost battle, if i was with you we would have discussed this over tea but unfortunately I have to expose your lies to the public again..

Let's start then:

You said: "When Jesus addressed his opposer's, he said David call him " Lord ". NOT David call him my Lord . any difference or misquote ? No. Cos it's the same thing."

So let's see if you are right that David didn't call Him My Lord... this is the verse Jesus was referring to:

DAVID SAID" The Lord said unto MY LORD, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool."
Psalms 110:1 KJV

So David clearly called him My Lord. Jesus in response to that said David Called HIM LORD. It will be a mistake for Jesus to say David called me My LORD, because David already called him My Lord.

You see how your lie has been exposed


Again you cited another example, you said "Scripture said Sarah called Abraham " lord " as a sign of subjection. 1 Pet 3:5,6"

Well Let's see the verse Peter was referring to:

Now Abraham and Sarah were old and well stricken in age; and it ceased to be with Sarah after the manner of women. Therefore Sarah laughed within herself, saying, After I am waxed old shall I have pleasure, my Lord being old also?
Genesis 18:11‭-‬12 KJV

So Sarah called Abraham My Lord. , no need for Peter to repeat that because Sarah calling Abraham My Lord means He was his Lord. yet another lie exposed, you lots think this is a joke right? You go about misleading people who are not vest in scriptures. So you think you know scriptures...

So who is daft now?

Again you asked

"Provide where Jesus is addressed as Lord of heaven and earth oga?"

That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Philippians 2:10‭-‬11 KJV

JESUS is the Lord of Heaven and earth and under the Earth.

Are you okay with that? So can I say your question was a stupid one since you already know so well this scripture?

You said "The Father will never. Call him that , because Yahweh cannot call someone under him Lord."

Well Yahweh cannot call another Lord because He is the Only True God and beside Him there's no other God.....so likewise did Jesus call the Father My Lord?


You continued:

"Oga, Master of which heaven and earth ... Sky Atmosphere or planet earth ? Until you explain what that " heaven " and ' earth " means , you would keep running in one position"

must i explain that too? ..."Sky Atmosphere or planet earth?" Well Jesus Christ said Heaven and Earth, so pray to him and ask him which is he referring to.. ...You know he will personally answer right?.... most irrelevant question in this thread.....I must explain heaven and earth to you..


you were obviously not answering me by telling me where Christ called The Father My Lord. So your lack of not answering me made me forget what we even started, my apologies..

Now getting to the interesting part

You said:


"Isaiah 48:16 , you said the one sent is Yahweh , and the speaker is Yahweh .

unfortunately, the one sent is calling Yahweh Lord ( Sign of subjection ) . showing clearly, the one sent is not Yahweh . Yahweh is the most high and would never call anyone Lord , its a sign of subjection ."



So do you agree with me that the Speaker is Yahweh and not Isaiah?

If you agree with me that the Speaker in Isaiah 48:16 is Yahweh then I will gladly answer you.


You continued


"I cite how Jesus made this power point clear when he address his opposer's that how could Said call the messiah Lord if he is just a son . [b] the logic is if David is bigger, he won't have called that one " Lord "


You are now putting words in Jesus' mouth....
And that was not the logic... let us and the readers get the logic themselves from the scripture

The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool? If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?
Matthew 22:44‭-‬45 KJV

You see so the logic was what Christ said it was, that if David called Jesus Lord, how is He then his Son?


You said

"This you never responded to. But instead chose to bring irrelevant matters"

I did respond to that, so in response to that I asked where Jesus called The Father My Lord?

zodiakzax:
Honestly i admire the way you still fight a lost battle, if i was with you we would have discussed this over tea but unfortunately I have to expose your lies to the public again..

Let's start then:

You said: "When Jesus addressed his opposer's, he said David call him " Lord ". NOT David call him my Lord . any difference or misquote ? No. Cos it's the same thing."

So let's see if you are right that David didn't call Him My Lord... this is the verse Jesus was referring to:

DAVID SAID" The Lord said unto MY LORD, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool."
Psalms 110:1 KJV

So David clearly called him My Lord. Jesus in response to that said David Called HIM LORD. It will be a mistake for Jesus to say David called me My LORD, because David already called him My Lord.

You see how your lie has been exposed


Again you cited another example, you said "Scripture said Sarah called Abraham " lord " as a sign of subjection. 1 Pet 3:5,6"

Well Let's see the verse Peter was referring to:

Now Abraham and Sarah were old and well stricken in age; and it ceased to be with Sarah after the manner of women. Therefore Sarah laughed within herself, saying, After I am waxed old shall I have pleasure, my Lord being old also?
Genesis 18:11‭-‬12 KJV

So Sarah called Abraham My Lord. , no need for Peter to repeat that because Sarah calling Abraham My Lord means He was his Lord. yet another lie exposed, you lots think this is a joke right? You go about misleading people who are not vest in scriptures. So you think you know scriptures...

So who is daft now?

Again you asked

"Provide where Jesus is addressed as Lord of heaven and earth oga?"

That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Philippians 2:10‭-‬11 KJV

JESUS is the Lord of Heaven and earth and under the Earth.

Are you okay with that? So can I say your question was a stupid one since you already know so well this scripture?

You said "The Father will never. Call him that , because Yahweh cannot call someone under him Lord."

Well Yahweh cannot call another Lord because He is the Only True God and beside Him there's no other God.....so likewise did Jesus call the Father My Lord?


You continued:

"Oga, Master of which heaven and earth ... Sky Atmosphere or planet earth ? Until you explain what that " heaven " and ' earth " means , you would keep running in one position"

must i explain that too? ..."Sky Atmosphere or planet earth?" Well Jesus Christ said Heaven and Earth, so pray to him and ask him which is he referring to.. ...You know he will personally answer right?.... most irrelevant question in this thread.....I must explain heaven and earth to you..


you were obviously not answering me by telling me where Christ called The Father My Lord. So your lack of not answering me made me forget what we even started, my apologies..

Now getting to the interesting part

You said:


"Isaiah 48:16 , you said the one sent is Yahweh , and the speaker is Yahweh .

unfortunately, the one sent is calling Yahweh Lord ( Sign of subjection ) . showing clearly, the one sent is not Yahweh . Yahweh is the most high and would never call anyone Lord , its a sign of subjection ."



So do you agree with me that the Speaker is Yahweh and not Isaiah?

If you agree with me that the Speaker in Isaiah 48:16 is Yahweh then I will gladly answer you.


You continued


"I cite how Jesus made this power point clear when he address his opposer's that how could Said call the messiah Lord if he is just a son . [b] the logic is if David is bigger, he won't have called that one " Lord "


You are now putting words in Jesus' mouth....
And that was not the logic... let us and the readers get the logic themselves from the scripture

The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool? If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?
Matthew 22:44‭-‬45 KJV

You see so the logic was what Christ said it was, that if David called Jesus Lord, how is He then his Son?


You said

"This you never responded to. But instead chose to bring irrelevant matters"

I did respond to that, so in response to that I asked where Jesus called The Father My Lord?

NCANTaskForce:
Marry another woman and see as she return to her senses, This is what happens when guy's fall fpr #NoSexBeforeMarriage scam

BecaciaBarbie:
Stop encouraging nonsense! Didn't you read where he said she used to satisfy him to the fullest before marriage? She decieved him or thought she could handle his constant sexual desires.

pocohantas:
Stupid and senseless statement.
Imagine a man saying this to another man, what stupidity...

jesusjnr:
TRUE STORIES OF HUMANS WHO HAVE BEEN TO HELL FIRE AND BACK

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ANGELICA ZAMBRANO'S TESTIMONY OF HELL FIRE

'...At that moment I hear the Lord’s voice, a beautiful voice with thunder and love, “Fear not, Daughter, for I am Jehovah, Your God, and I have come here to show you what I have promised you. Arise, for I am Jehovah, who holds you by your right hand and tells you, Fear not, I will help you.”

Suddenly, I arose. I had been kneeling down, looking at my body, wanting to get back in but not being able to. When I heard His voice, fear had left me, and I was no longer scared. As I started walking, the angels began to open a path.

There was a strong light shining, and as I gazed at it, I felt peace. As I looked, I saw a beautiful, tall, elegant, muscular man. Light was projecting from Him. There was too much light for me to see His face! But I could see His beautiful hair of brilliant gold and a white garment with a wide golden girdle that crossed His chest. It read, “KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.” I looked at His feet, He was wearing shiny golden sandals, of brilliant gold. He was so beautiful!

He extended His hand to me. when I took His hand, it wasn’t like when I touched my body, my hand did not go through it. I asked, “What is happening?” And He said, “I am going to show you hell, so that you return and tell humanity that hell is real; that hell exists.

And also, My glory will I show you, for you to tell My people to be prepared, for My glory is real and I am real.” He said, “Daughter, do not fear”- He said it again and I said, “Lord, it’s just that I want to go to heaven, but not hell, because I’ve heard that it’s horrible!” He said, “Daughter, I will be with you. I will not leave you in that place and I am going to show you that place because there are many who know that hell exists, but they have no fear. They believe it’s a game, that hell is a joke, and many don’t know about it. That is why I am going to show you that place, because there are more that perish than those that are entering My glory.”

When He said that, I could see tears streaming down to His garments. I asked Him, “Lord, why are you crying?” He replied, “Daughter, because there are more that perish, and I will show you this, so that you will go and tell the truth and so that you will not return to that place.”

HELL

Suddenly, as He was speaking, everything started to move. The Earth shook and split open, and I saw a very dark hole below. We were standing on a sort of rock with angels surrounding us. I said, “Lord, I don’t want to go to that place!” He said, “Daughter, do not fear for I am with you.” In a split second we descended into the dark hole. I tried to see but there was a terrible darkness. I did see a huge circle, and hear millions of voices.I was so hot, I felt my skin burning. I asked, “Lord, what is this? I don’t want to go to this place!” The Lord said that this was just the tunnel to hell. There was a horrible, repulsive and nauseating smell, and I begged Jesus not to take me. He responded, “Daughter, it is necessary for you to come and know this place.” I cried, “But why, Lord, why?” And He said, ‘so that you can tell the truth to humanity; humanity perishes, it’s lost and few are entering My Kingdom.”

In saying this, He would weep. His words strengthened and encouraged me, so I continued walking. We arrived at the end of a tunnel, when I looked down I saw an abyss covered in flames. The Lord said “Daughter, I give this to you.” It was a large binder with blank sheets of paper. “Daughter, take this pencil so that you can write all that I will show you, what you will see and hear. You will write everything as you are observing it, as you will live it.” I said, “Lord, I will do it, but I am already seeing so much, Lord. I am seeing souls being tormented, and immense flames.”

Then we started to descend into the abyss! I started to cry and scream, “Lord, no, no, no, no- I don’t want to go!” and He would reply, “You need to see this.”I saw horrible demons, of all types, both large and small. They were running so fast, and carrying something in their hands. “Lord, why are they running like that and what are they carrying?” He answered, “Daughter, they run that way because they know their time is running out, because time is so short to destroy humanity and especially My people. That which they carry in their hands are darts to destroy humanity, because each demon is given a name and according to the name that is given to them, they have a dart to destroy that person and bring them to this place; their goal is to destroy that person and bring them to hell.” And I would see the demons running and exiting toward Earth and He told me. “

They are going to Earth to bring and throw humanity into this place.” As He said this He would weep, He would weep so very much. He was weeping all the time and I would cry too.

THE BACKSLIDER - The Lord said to me, “Are you ready to see what I am going to show you?” “Yes, Lord,” I said. He took me to a cell where I could see a young man being tormented among the flames. I noticed that the cell was enumerated, though I couldn’t understand the numbers, they seemed to be backward. There was a huge plaque in that cell, and the young man had the number “666” on his forehead. He also had a big metallic plate that was encrusted into his skin. The worms that were eating him, were unable to damage that plate; neither did the flames burn it.

He screamed, “Lord, have mercy on me. Take me out of this place. Forgive me, Lord!” But Jesus would respond, “It’s late, too late: I gave you opportunities and you would not repent.”I asked Jesus, “Lord, why is he here?” Then I recognized him. On Earth, this young man knew the Word of God, but abruptly he walked away from the Lord, preferring alcohol, drugs and walking on the wrong path. He did not want to follow the way of the Lord. Jesus warned him many times on what could happen to him.

Jesus said, “Daughter, he is in this place because anyone who rejects My word already has a judge: The Word that I have spoken will judge him in that last day,” (John 12:48) and then Jesus wept.

When the Lord weeps, it’s different than we do. He would weep with this pain in His heart and He would sob profoundly. “I did not create hell for humanity,” Jesus said. So I asked Him, “Then why is humanity here, Lord?” He answered, “Daughter, I created hell for satan and his angels, who are the demons; (Matt. 25:41)but, because of sin and the lack of repentance, humanity ends here, and there are more that perish than those who reach My glory!” (Matt 7:14)

He continued weeping and it would hurt me so much to see how He cried. “Daughter, I gave My life for humanity, so that it would not perish, so that it would not end up in this place. I gave My life out of love and mercy, so that humanity would proceed to repentance and could enter the Kingdom of Heaven.” Jesus would moan as someone who could no longer withstand the pain, that’s how much pain He felt watching the people here.

UNFORGIVENESS & BITTERNESS - Being with Jesus, made me feel safe. I thought, “If I let go of the Lord, I’ll be stuck here!” I asked, “Jesus, do I have relatives in this place.” He looked at me as I was crying and He said, “Daughter, I am with you,” because I was so scared. He took me to another cell. I never could have imagined seeing a relative of mine in that cell. I saw this woman being tormented, she had worms that would eat her face off, and demons would plunge a type of spear into her body. She would scream, “No, Lord, have mercy on me, forgive me, please, take me out of this place for one minute!” (Luke 16:24)

In Hell, people are tormented with the memories of what they did on Earth. Demons would mock people and tell them, “Worship and praise because this is your kingdom!” and the people would scream remembering that they knew God, because they knew the Word. Those who had known the Lord were tormented twofold.The Lord said, “There is no other opportunity [for those here]; there is still opportunity for those who are alive.”

I asked Him, “Lord, why is my great-grandmother here? I don’t know if she ever knew you. Why is she here in hell, Lord?” He replied, “Daughter, she is here because she failed to forgive…Daughter, he who does not forgive, neither will I forgive him.”I asked, “Lord, but You do forgive, and You are merciful.” And He answered, “Yes, Daughter, but it is necessary to forgive, because they have not forgiven many people,and that is why many people are in this place, because they failed to forgive…Go and tell humanity that it is time to forgive, and especially My people, for many of My people have not forgiven. Tell them to rid themselves of grudges, of resentment, of that hatred in their hearts, for it is time to forgive! If death were to surprise that person who has failed to forgive, that person may go to hell, for no one can purchase life.”

When we left that place, my great grandmother was engulfed in fire and she screamed, “Aaaah,” and began to blaspheme the name of God, she would curse Him; every person in hell blasphemes against God.As we left that area, I could see that hell was full of tormented souls. Many people would extend their hands out, begging Jesus to help them and take them out of there. But the Lord could not do anything for them and they would start blaspheming God.

Then Jesus would weep and say, “It hurts Me to hear them, it hurts Me to see what they do, because I can no longer do anything for them. What I will tell you is that I still have opportunity for he who is still on Earth, who has not yet died, who is still alive; he still has time to repent!”

LATINA POPSTAR SELENA IN FLAMES - The Lord told me there were many famous people in Hell, and also many people who had known about the Lord. He said, “I am going to show you another part of the furnace.” We came to a place where a woman was surrounded by flames. She was in great torment and would scream, begging the Lord for mercy. Jesus pointed to her with his hand and told me, “Daughter, that woman that you see over there, surrounded by flames, is Selena.”

As we started getting closer, she screamed, “Lord, have mercy on me, forgive me Lord, take me out of this place!” But the Lord looked at her and said, “It’s late, it’s too late. You cannot repent now.”She saw me and said, “Please, I beg you, go tell people about this, please speak out and do not be silent; go and tell them not to cometo this place; go and tell them not to listen to my songs, nor sing my songs.” (1 John 2:15) So I asked her, “Why do you want me to go and say that?” And she answered, “Because every time people sing and listen to my songs, I am tormented even more, the personwho does this, who sings and listens to my songs, is walking to this place. Please, go tell them not to come here; go tell them that hell is real!” She would scream and demons would hurl spears from afar into her body and she would cry, “Help me, Lord, have mercy on me, Lord!” But sadly, the Lord told her, “It is too late.”I looked all over that area, it was full of singers and artists who have died. All they did was sing and sing, they wouldn’t stop singing.

The Lord explained, “Daughter, the person who is here, must continue doing here, whatever they did on Earth, if they had not repented.” ((TAKE HEED of this warning regarding worldly music and throw it away!!))

THE UNREPENTANT - As I was observing the area, I noticed a lot ofdemons that were spilling down some type of rain. I actually thought it was raining. But I noticed the people in flames running away from the rain and shouting, “No, help me, Lord!…No, this can’t be,” and the demons would laugh and tell the people, “Praise and worship because this is your kingdom forever and ever!” I saw the flames increase and people’s worms would multiply! There was no water there, it was brimstone that would multiply the flames and increase each person’s anguish. I asked Jesus, “What’s happening?…Lord, what is this?” The Lord replied, “This is the wages of anyone who has not repented.” (Psalms 11:6)

A POPE IN HELL - Then the Lord took me to place where there was a very well-known man. Before now, I used to live as a double minded young Christian girl. I used to think that any person that died would go to Heaven; that those who celebrated mass, would also go to heaven, but I was wrong.

When Pope John Paul II died, my friends and relatives would tell me that he had gone to heaven. All the news on TV, on Extraand many other places would say, “Pope John Paul II has died, may he rest in peace. He is now rejoicing with the Lord and his angels in heaven” and I believed all of it. But I was only fooling myself, because I saw him in Hell, being tormented by flames. I looked at his face, it was John Paul II!

The Lord said to me, “Look, Daughter, that man that you see there, is Pope John Paul II. He is here in this place; he is being tormented because he did not repent.”But I asked, “Lord, why is he here? He used topreach at church.” Jesus replied, “Daughter, no fornicator, no idolater, no one who is greedy and no liar will inherit My Kingdom.”(Eph. 5:5) I replied, “Yes, I know that is true, but I want to know why he is here, because he used to preach to multitudes of people!”

And Jesus responded, “Yes, Daughter, he may have said many things, but he would never speak the truth as it is. He never said the truth and they know the truth and although he knew the truth, he preferred money over preaching about salvation. He would not offer reality; would not say that hell is real and that heaven also exists; Daughter, now he is here in this place.”When I looked at this man, he had a large serpent with needles, wrapped around his throat, and he would try to take it off. I pleaded with Jesus, “Lord, help him!” The man would scream, “Help me, Lord; have mercy on me; take me out of this place; forgive me! I repent, Lord; I want to return to Earth, I want to go back to Earth to repent.” The Lord observed him and said to him, “You very well knew. You knew very well that this place was real…It’s too late; there is no other opportunity for you.”

The Lord said, “Look, Daughter, I am going to show you the life of this man.” Jesus showed me a huge screen on which I could observe how this man offered mass many times to the multitudes. And how the people who were there were so idolatrous. Jesus said, “Look, Daughter, there are many idolaters in this place. Idolatry will not save, Daughter. I am the only One who saves, and outside of Me, no one saves. I love the sinner, but I hate sin, Daughter. Go and tell humanity that I love them and that they need to come to Me.”

As the Lord was speaking, I began to see how this man received multitudes of coins and bills; money, all of which he would keep. He had so much money. I saw images of this man seated on a throne, but I was also able to see beyond that. While it’s true that these people do not get married, I can assure you, I’m not making this up, the Lord showed it to me, those people do sleep with nuns; with many women there! [1 example]The Lord showed me these people living in fornication, and the Word says that no fornicator will inherit His Kingdom.

As I was watching all of this, the Lord told me, “Look Daughter, all of this which I am showing you is what goes on, what he lived and what keeps on happening among many people, among many priests and popes existing.” Then he told me, “Daughter, go and tell humanity that it’s time to turn to Me.”...To be continued

Claireshan1:
This guy sef just thank God you guys broke up the girl never truly loved you but your money hence the reason her attitude changed when the money stopped coming through

I'll advise you to go hustler for yourself don't even think of going back to that girl


I wish I can see a guy that will love me this way,I always meet the opposite set of guys

jesusjnr:
Oh thought you were someone ignorant on these spiritual matters that really wanted to learn, but it turned out that you're only interested in vanity.

So at least you can pride yourself in the fact that you were able to eke out such a spiritual gem from me, which you can abuse and do whatever you like with.

However you know how long it took for you get this much out of me, so based on what you'd with it, don't expect anymore of this anytime sooner or later!

jesusjnr:
No it doesn't because it's a part of the spiritual body of an individual called the soul.

Now do you believe that spirits and ghosts can feel pain as well, even though they do not have flesh?

If yes, then that also means you also believe that spirits and ghosts have bodies, because without bodies, where then would they feel the pain?

And so if they indeed have bodies, then next question is what do their body consist of?

If they can see, that means that they have eyes. If they can hear, that means they have ears. If they can talk that means they have a mouth, and so on and so forth.

Therefore that doesn't mean that they have flesh, for all these are not physical body parts but spiritual!

And the spiritual body doesn't need physical food or even physical water to sustain it, for it abides for ever and doesn't die like the physical body or flesh!

In fact it is what gives the flesh or the physical body life, and that's why when it departs from the body of man who is flesh, he instantly becomes lifeless, which is what is also termed death.

Now that lifeless state of a man's body without his soul, or when his spiritual body departs his physical one, is similar to the way he was after God had formed him from the dust of the earth in the beginning, even before God breathed his Spirit into his nostrils, that is the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

For what God gave to man was a spiritual body to give life to his physical body, so when that spiritual body departs from man, in a sense man returns to the previous state he was before God put into him that spiritual body which gave his physical body life in the first place and made him into a living soul.

Now God himself is a Spirit, and he made man who is flesh in his own image, and after his likeness(Gen 1:26), therefore even before man 's physical body and flesh ever had eyes, ears, mouths etc., spirits had eyes, ears, mouths etc., as God who is Spirit made man who is flesh after the image of spirits and hence to have similar body parts as that of a spiritual body.


Therefore that instance of the rich man in hell refered to a spiritual tongue and not the physical one or that of the flesh, as it was a part of the rich man's spiritual body or soul which had already departed his physical body and flesh in the earth, and hence rendered it lifeless and dead, that was now being tormented in Hell Fire!

jesusjnr:
If you cannot precisely tell me which tongue you were referring to, if the spiritual or physical (flesh), then forget it because I'm here for serious business, and not to play!

jesusjnr:
So that was John the baptist, who was the forerunner of Jesus, using a similar illustration as that of Jesus to describe what would happen to those humans who do not repent and turn from their wicked ways, that they thrown into hell fire!

jesusjnr:
I'm sorry i would have easily answered your first question but your second came and contradicted the first. So decide if it's the spiritual tongue or the physical one (flesh), you want to know about and then get back to me on that.

LordReed:
I speak with facts.

The world's conditions are the way they are due to the interaction between the physical laws of the universe and chance.

Men die because all systems we have so far obversed tend to towards higher entropy, even the universe seems to be going that way. All living things seem to have a more or less quicker entropy scale.

They speak different languages because language like men evolves. Anytime a group of men are separated from another homogeneous group, they'll eventually change language and become a distinct group. A plain example is America and Britain, American english is distinct from British english even though American english is a direct offshoot of British english.

LordReed:
I know you will argue with an interpretation that suits your claim. Fact remains your storybook says God knew about Jesus long before he would come. Meaning God will watch men suffer and die for 4000 years before Jesus' arrival. This story is just bunkum. Learn something about your world, there is no magic sky daddy redeeming you through human sacrifice or waiting at the end of your life to judge anybody. Justice is done by the living, fight injustice and unfairness anywhere you are, instead of waiting for magic sky daddy.

LordReed:
I know you will argue, read your fairytale book:

Ephesians 1:4 King James Version (KJV)
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world , that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Revelation 13:8 King James Version (KJV)
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

1 Peter 1:
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world , but was manifest in these last times for you,

It is clear as daylight that your fairytale god knew what will happen in the future.

You should learn to recognize that these things are open to all sorts of interpretation because they are man made stories.

LordReed:
Any way you slice it, it shows this god story is just a pile of bunkum.

A god who has the power to know how his creation will turn out, evidenced by the fact that the story says he planned in advance for the fall, he sits and watches his creation fall to pieces over several thousand years as well as the suffering and deaths of billions.

There is no scenario you cook up to justify this. It is quite obvious the state of the universe requires no god to explain it while all god stories are basically savage fairytales.

KayceeBanks:
Meaning God knows what we will do but wants to see whether he can be wrong but finds out later he can't be wrong because he knows everything in the first place and can never know no wrong. In short, God is using man for his amusement because....., Well he can.

Anas09:
CONT.
While on the Cross, the Substance left the body, becos the substance = divine, can not be joined to sin, and natural human body carried the sins of men and cried out 'My God, My God why... Again, if the substance had not separated from the natural body of Jesus, He wouldn't have died, because substances doesn't die.

The substance entered back into the natural body and it got up from the grave. Jehovah and Immanuel = God with us, are not two separate entities. That's why He kept saying 'I and my father and one. I am inside my father and my father is inside of me. If you have seen me, then you have seen my Father.

@OneJ, the case here is not the same with an earthly human Father sharing looks or inheritances.

If you read the book of Apostle John, you'd see Jesus practicably saying He is God.

TBC

Dantedasz:
God is supposed to be omniscient!

Omniscience

Omniscience is the capacity to know everything including the future. In monotheistic religions, such as Sikhism and the Abrahamic religions, this is an attribute of God.~Wikipedia

Brock1:
Not convincing at all, call me ur senior pastor. U shy away from main point.

johnydon22:
'And so, the stars rained down on earth like fig fruits falling from a tree covering one third of the earth'

Second scribe: (Peeks into the scroll of first scribe) Dude, you know stars are like very huge balls of burning gas, millions of times larger than the earth right?

First scribe: Really?

Second scribe: Yes.

First Scribe: See, don't think about this, just go with it.

Second Scribe: Where were we going with this whole book again?

First Scribe: Honestly, i have no idea from the part he ate a scroll.

Second scribe: Are people really going to believe this?

First Scribe: Haaaaa! You will be surprised my friend. Remember that guy Jonah who got swallowed by a fish and got vomitted 3 days later?

Second Scribe: OMG you are so right, people can believe some straight up crazy stuffs.

jesusjnr:
Sound like you're already very familiar with the story, so even though i'd not completed it yet, what other proof do you need that's not already provided there? To first experience it yourself? For firstly, Jesus-not me-said that it was in a place called "Hell" the rich man lifted up his eyes. Secondly, he was in "Torment". Thirdly, he spoke to a true-life character of renown, Abraham-to prove that it wasn't fictional-and asked him to have mercy on him, and send Lazarus-another true-life character, who he very well knew during his time on earth to be a beggar-to dip "the tip of his finger in water" and "cool his tongue" to show the extent to which he was "tormented in this flame". And there's yet more in the remaining part but if you are not able to even put all these ones together and get "Hell Fire", then i'm sorry ma, i can't help you. For if Jesus himself by his own words, can't make you believe, then who am i?

Brock1:
good one, but we never asked for d free will?!

Let say u created a Being, and u now place life and death before d being, u automatically av ulterior motives, and wia did u even got d option of death (evil) from? Jus cari am commot from d being dat is naive.

U av a baby, u placed water and fire before d baby, d baby will definitely test d two, no matter ur warning.

Brock1:
Pls explain d attribute called omniscience, and wat d Bible said as I am d almighty God, the one that knows the end from d beginning!

iamdrfresh:
He created the world even tho we never asked for it
he decided to put us in there even tho we never asked for it
he gave us choice that we didn't ask for
he made sin look attractive
we fell
he decides to burn us in hell

seriously, who's at fault here??