Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by CAPTIVATOR: 10:18am On Feb 09, 2019 |
Deadlytruth: You think only a tongue of flesh can feel pains? Did the spirits who were afraid of Jesus' physical torment in Matthew 8:29 have fleshy bodies or bones?
Where in Luke 24:39 did Jesus expressly say that spirits can't feel the pain of torment? I already showed you where spirits begged Jesus not to torment them. Jesus didn't hold fire with him when he asked the demon to come out ooo Deadlytruth, how can spirit have fleshy tongue ? Stop trying to rewrite the Bible. In Matthew 13, it is the evildoers themselves (not spirits) that Jesus says he will throw into fire to gnash their teeth in a furnace (which also can't mean Hades). Recall that Jesus was speaking literally here. So show me a Bible passage or an encyclopedia quote which equates furnace with Hades or grave. So its no longer disembodied sprits that leave the body that go to hell ?  Go back and read the story of Moses and the burning bush slowly. The fire there was not burning the angel not because an angel or spirit can't be tormented with fire, but because in that particular circumstance the angel was the fire itself doing the burning. That is the omnipotence of God. In once instance He chooses to torment angels (especially the ones belonging to the devil) but in another instance he transformed an angel into a fire that was burning a bush. Judging from the omnipotence of God highlighted above, The angel was in the fire. Go read well He doesn't need spirits or deamons to have fleshy bodies or tongues for them to feel the pains of torture from Him otherwise he will have lost his omnipotence. The story said specifically that the man has tongue and we all know the tongue is pure flesh, is Jesus lying that spirit don't have flesh ? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by CAPTIVATOR: 10:12am On Feb 09, 2019 |
achorladey: Barristter07: Finally brothers , continue to be readjusted. - 2 Cor 13:11.
Achorladey: What is needed to be READJUSTED in Matthew 23: 36-40 that made the GOVERNING BODY call themselves the MAN with the INKHORN and went AHEAD to seat on JESUS CHRIST SEAT judging people all over the place when the scriptures stated clearly that it is for Christ which the GOVERNING now believes.
This is just one of numerous case out there.
While this BELIEVE was HELD on to by the GOVERNING BODY and those they GOVERN, do you accept you are teaching what is FALSE?
Barristter07: Point remains this Christian congregation doesn't have scattered teachings, they all speak in agreement ... Completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought 1 Cor 1:10 , in cases where there are readjustment, EVERYONE is carried along. So we never speak in disunity.
Achorladey: 1 Corinthians 1: 11-13 For some from the house of Chloʹe have informed me regarding you, my brothers, THAT THERE are DISSENSIONS AMONG YOU. 12 What I mean is this, that each one of you says: “I belong to Paul,” “But I to A·polʹlos,” “But I to Ceʹphas,” “But I to Christ.” 13 Is the Christ divided? Paul was not executed on the stake for you, was he? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?
I only hope you you get the picture you were trying to paint, what was contained in 1 Corinthians 1:10 is said in advance by Paul to correct what was already a big problem in Corinth. You see am or not? DISSENSIONS is not a synonym for UNITY or AGREEMENT.
Barristter07: in cases where there are readjustment, EVERYONE is carried along. So we never speak in disunity.
Achorladey: That's is what INTERNALIZING the word CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION does to ones thinking.
You want to tell me that many of the Christian congregation denominations like yours don't do what you typed up there. SMH.
Taking a look at the larger picture those things that the GOVERNING BODY READJUSTED, while you still believe them and teach it before readjustment, do you consider yourself being part of the false Christian who teach falsehood in the CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION at large?
Barristter07: U get it totally wrong.
Achorladey: Take your time to read through, you will get the sense of it with patience.
Barristter07: Can the same be said about you?
Achorladey: About my own CONGREGATION or What?
Barristter07: If I ask your view of Trinity, hellfire, Future hope...Would it tally with that of others among your unknown gathering ? Though we know u be sit at home ministry , but let's play along like you got united members you can relate with..
Achorladey: Asking questions like these is bound to happen because obviously from your mindset from the onset of our discussion the CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES is not part of the CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION, but unfortunately for you your name carries the CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION before Jehovah's witnesses.
Now you want to play along with LIARS, STRONG HYPOCITE, ONIRO BURUKU e. t. c
Barristter07: They heard a wrong report about Paul, he never taught those things they said he taught
Achorladey: No one said Paul was teaching those things, which the Bible you cited below confirms
Barristter07: Act 21:24 "Then everyone will know that there Is nothing to the rumours they were told about you"
Barristter07: That's why they gave those advice to him NOT a matter of division.
Paul was not the one creating division it was the Jewish Christian who have not only become CHRISTIAN but were still ZEALOUS FOR ALL THINGS LAW and CUSTOMARY PRACTICES. Now you see where the DIVISION emanated from.
Barristter07: Have answered, Ephesians 4:13 UNITY of the Faith"
Achorladey: You seem to forget where this ONE FAITH palaver started. It started with Galatians 6:10 with you highlighting THOSE RELATED TO US IN FAITH. With your response above, let us bring back the question and see how well this your answer fit in.
Barristter07 at 5:50 pm Feb 04
Achorladey , Tell us this brothers with whom you are related in FAITH ? None ?
Barristter07 @ 10:40 Feb 07
Ephesians 4:13 UNITY of FAITH.
Achorladey: While I cited Galatians 3: 23 - 29. Do the analysis now and see how far this applies.
Barristter07: If you Re to ask different Witnesses their Christian view on Trinity, hellfire, Soul, Future hope . am certain they will express their Faith in one mind.
Achorladey: You want to ask them what your publications already taught and grouped as SATANIC DOCTRINES. All this teaching where most one them did not research and arrive at the conclusion on their own. I guarantee you most will resort to your publications as aid in answering those questions when posed to them. So as it were most were indoctrinated, it will be a waste of time and resources.
Barristter07: Achorladey, in your unknown Church ...
Achorladey: To that unknown CHURCH, which you seek is what I have continually and patiently DECLARED to you as THE CHRSTIAN CONGREGATION.
Barristter07: Are you United in Faith?
Achorladey: Yes ooooo, when you know the ONE FAITH, you will agree that we are united.
Barristter07: The colored prove Faith must be united
Achorladey: The issue discussed here was to show you that there were conflicting teachings in the Christian congregation back then in the first century which you have been trying to prove to be otherwise.
It is not Faith palaver that brought us here take a look at this as posted by you.....
Barristter07 @ 11:33 am Feb6
One fact is: there are no conflicting teachings among this Christians, even in the first century some lived sinful lifestyle BUT THAT’S DIFFERENT FROM CONFLICTING WAVES OF TEACHING.
Barristter07: Paul said he hand them over to Satan !!!
Achorladey: True, Was it for harm or beneficial purpose?
Barristter07: Jesus promise to deal with anyone with WRONG TEACHING and CLAIMING CHRISTIAN.
Achorladey: Na JESUS work, leave am make he do am. His promises don't fail.
Barristter07: Are your faith united in teaching?
Achorladey: Is faith and teaching the same. What is faith? What is teaching?
Barristter07: Will you state your beliefs in hell, Trinity, Soul , future hope ...
Achorladey: They are Satanic doctrines according to (Barristter07:2019) FUTURE HOPE as it relates to your doctrines na palaver on its own. SMH
Barristter07: Let's see how much you are UNITED in TEACHING with fellow members and friends of yours on this thread??
Achorladey: switching from TEACHING and FAITH repeatedly. Your case require patience.
Barristter07: Or you too have been handed over to Satan?
Achorladey: By who? Barristter07 I guess? I already gave a good report on non denominational trend , there are various of them with the tag " Christian church " etc but with varied teachings. I now understand why Barrister ask you to state your beliefs on those areas, you will be surprise how divided you and other non denominational people using the tag " Christian " vary . telling you , you are wasting your time. State your beliefs on those areas first, do you worship Jesus or God? john 4:23 , Others non denominational have different views on this too. Read that quote I gave you very well. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by CAPTIVATOR: 9:40am On Feb 09, 2019 |
Hairyrapunzel: 22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’
Is grave a place of torment? Interesting. Since the rich man is dead, unconscious and does not know anything how come he is asking for water and knows he is in agony of the fire?
Let me help you out. In hades that in the grave where he was buried, he was still alive according to CAPTIVATOR
John 14 “Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God[a]; believe also in me. 2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you?
So there are physical rooms in heaven?
Rev 10 :1-4 Then I saw another mighty angel coming down from heaven. He was robed in a cloud, with a rainbow above his head; his face was like the sun, and his legs were like fiery pillars. 2 He was holding a little scroll, which lay open in his hand. He planted his right foot on the sea and his left foot on the land, 3 and he gave a loud shout like the roar of a lion. When he shouted, the voices of the seven thunders spoke. 4 And when the seven thunders spoke, I was about to write; but I heard a voice from heaven say, “Seal up what the seven thunders have said and do not write it down.”
Are angels humans? So as spirits they have hands and feet? Is it human or disembodied spirit? Lol The questions still stand . more head ache for you nd Deadlytruth. @ blue, Lazarus wasn't buried but carried bodily to Abraham side ? If the story is real, how come angels don't carry people from mortuary today ? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by CAPTIVATOR: 9:28am On Feb 09, 2019 |
achorladey: Barristter07: People had no problem recognizing members of "THE WAY" , that name identify them.
Achorladey: Who are members of "THE WAY"?
Acts 9: 2 and asked him for letters to the synagogues in Damascus, so that he might bring bound to Jerusalem any whom he found who belonged to THE WAY, both men and women.
What other names do people who belonged to THE WAY called?
Acts 11:26 26 After he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year they assembled with them in the congregation and taught quite a crowd, and it was first in Antioch that the disciples were by divine providence called CHRISTIANS.
Barristter07: They are so UNITED that Paul ask Colossian brothers to exchange LETTERS with Laodicean brothers.
Achorladey: They were so united up till the extent that by the time Jesus came to inspect them they were just exactly like the Philadelphians, the pergamum, Smyrna, Ephesus, Sardis.
Barristter07: Can same happen with you?
Achorladey: You want me to believe exchange of LETTERS shows UNITY. SMH SMH. Exchange of LETTERS SHOWS UNITY according to (Barristter07;2019).
Barristter07: Sit at home ministry,
Achorladey: Give my greetings to the brothers in La·o·di·ceʹa and to Nymʹpha and to the congregation at her house.
Philemon 1:2 and to Apʹphi·a our sister, and to Ar·chipʹpus our fellow soldier, and to the congregation that is in your house:
5 Also greet the congregation that is in their house. Greet my beloved E·paeʹne·tus, who is a firstfruits of Asia for Christ.
Oga Barristter07, where do all THOSE cited they carry out there Ministry, A. Inside Kingdom Halls B. Market C. Sit at home Ministry.
Barristter07: u have no SPECIFIC IDENTITY that people can use to identify YOUR people?
Achorladey: "YOUR PEOPLE" hahahahahaahaha! Na Achorladey die for them? that's why they want to be called CHRISTIANS, obviously "CHRISTIAN" is not a specific IDENTITY to Barristter07 used in identifying Christ followers.
Barristter07: Liar forming " US " online,
Achorladey: Oga Barristter07, I walk by faith and not by sight,
Barristter07:when he belong to SIT AT HOME MINISTRY.
Achorladey: SIT AT HOME MINISTRY na bad thing in the eyes of Barristter07 but the BIBLE says otherwise.
Barristter07: Are you aware that people knew Paul as one of those taking the lead among members of the sect of Nazarene as they are called?
Achorladey: 5 For we have found this man to be a pest, stirring up seditions among all the Jews throughout the inhabited earth, and he is a spearhead of the SECT OF THE NAZ·A·RENESʹ.
Paul was indeed a leading member of the CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION tagged by those opposing him as SECT OF THE NAZ·A·RENESʹ. It was not stated he was a leading figure of CHRISTIAN CONGREGATIONS OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.
Barrister07: Who are yours?
Achorladey: Have answered that repeatedly.
Barristter07: Asiri Tu
Achorladey: When you are done reading you will have learnt a lot from the Bible again. Asiri titu ni ise yin. Instead of you to cry, u are not intelligent enough to know sit at home ministry is an appellation for someone who doesn't attend any meeting with others, just sitting at home. Here is a good report on non denominational trend . " There is actually no such thing. When a church claims to be “nondenominational”, what they are really doing is refusing to label their denomination. That church will still take stances on controversial issues of scriptural interpretation. The stance on a given issue may be that that issue is unimportant, but that claim is highly controversial in its own way: Who gets to decide which parts of the Bible are “unimportant”? Now, what do so-called “nondenominational” churches do differently? Well, that depends. Which “nondenominational” church are we talking about? And differently compared to whom? " - Ronald Kimmons ,  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by CAPTIVATOR: 9:18am On Feb 09, 2019 |
achorladey: I will ask again, why were your GOVERNING BODY MEMBERS outside the CONGREGATION in that picture but the publishers were placed under the CONGREGATION?
What does that tell you about the AUTHORITY structure of your CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES?
Where is JESUS in that EARTHLY PART of the ORGANIZATION?
I SHOWED you in pictures where it is well written that if you Barristter07 were still a publisher as at now,are you are under the authority of the GOVERNING BODY?
You need answers, go back to that picture and look!
Lesson 20 was used to address the part you Barristter07 asked a question that goes thus:
Same February 4 at 5:50pm So Jehovah's witnesses preach Governing Body?...
My response at 8:50pm Feb 04
Barristter07: So Jehovah's witnesses preach Governing Body?...
Achorladey: You only need to look Lesson 20 of the brochure "Who are doing Gods will Today", Lesson 14 of the brochure Good news from God and the numerous Watchtower study edition available You have been shown a liar , that quote by Barrister from lesson 20 buried your entire hypothesis of Governing body is the head , they acknowledge Jesus ad Head . |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by CAPTIVATOR: 9:07am On Feb 09, 2019 |
Let's answer a fool to show him he isn't wise. Hairyrapunzel: God is spirit. He created man in his own likeness and image. God has body parts. God must have breast and penis too since humans are in his image . brain de.ad individual He can talk and walk and do all things. Spirits have tongue and teeth.
Matt 13:41-43 41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!
There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth in hell fire right? I no fit laugh. Luke 24:39 - Spirit does not have flesh ( like Tongue is ) and bone ( teeth ) |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by CAPTIVATOR: 9:01am On Feb 09, 2019 |
Luke 16 :23-24 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue , because I am in agony in this fire. Question: That water , physical or spiritual ? Do spirit have a tongue ? Make we no whether na human or disembodied spirit Jesus dey describe . I don laff tire. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by CAPTIVATOR: 8:37am On Feb 09, 2019 |
Deadlytruth: Didn't I say it that you would soon say it was a figurative grave and not a real one? For your information, Ecclesiastes is a record of the random thoughts of a man who at that time had fallen deeply into sin hence was very far away from God's guidance and inspiration hence a lot of his submissions can't be taken as truth. If you read the whole Ecclesiastes chapter 9 you will notice that in verse 2 of it the philosopher also said that the same fate awaits both the righteous and the wicked. However we know that such is contrary to what Jesus later clearly told us with the parable of Lazarus and the rich man, and indeed all His other parables. Moreover, if the same fate actually awaits the righteous and the wicked, would that not amount to God being an unjust God? Would anyone (yourself inclusive) today be denying himself all the comfort of this life to live a righteous life? That the book of Ecclesiastes is included in the Bible only signifies the fact that the Christian faith is broad enough to welcome all shades of contrary opinion with the ultimate goal of correcting them and redirecting those who hold them to the true knowledge about God. Who talk about figurative grave ? Please who discuss figurative grave with you ? U have problem o. Hades means grave , A GRAVE IS A BURIAL place NOT A PLACE OF TORMENT. SO JESUS WAS ILLUSTRATING. Luke 24:39 spirit does not have flesh and bones. Why did the rich man have a tongue of flesh if he was a disembodied spirit ? Deadlytruth be running away from this. Why did Jesus mention gnashing of teeth ( Bone) in Matthew 13, do spirit have bone ? The day u attempt to explain all this contradiction of your thought , the argument will end immediately |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by CAPTIVATOR: 8:33am On Feb 09, 2019 |
Deadlytruth: I have already answered Barrister's question by showing him where a spirit screamed due to being tormented by Jesus. I also showed him where souls spoke up in Revelation. No, u didn't , Barrister show you that the bible said spirit doesn't have a tongue, None of those verses say spirit have a tongue. Smh, didn't he prove to you as well that spirit can't be harmed by fire ? U haven't yet answered the 1. Do spirit have tongue ? Recall that your organization believes that the death spoken of in the Bible verse which says "the wages of sin is death" doesn't physical death but spiritual death which entails being spiritually cut off from God. If death itself will have been killed in the lake of fire as you believe , then doesn't that even mean that the dead sinners who were called from the grave would never experience death again but be alive forever to be in eternal punishment this being spiritually cut off from God as wages for their sins? Rev 20:14 death ( first death ) is thrown into lake or fire, don't be silly , Lake of fire is another death , hence called second death. When death an others experience this, they will be no more - Rev 21:4) Why have you been cleverly avoiding my question as to why Jesus, in His literal interpretation of the parable of wheat and tares, maintained that hell is fire rather than Hades? Jesus never mention hell thoroughout that parable , he mention fire . and fire means destruction to death , just as lake of fire means. How many times will I explain that ? Question 2: Since u are saying ur support hell, answer me , In his literal interpretation he also mention gashing of teeth, does it mean your spirit have teeth ? Stop evading this , |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by CAPTIVATOR: 1:22am On Feb 09, 2019 |
Deadlytruth: The bolded really cracked me up. Very true! They claim that people are unconscious in the grave but they believe the rich man was speaking from his grave and feeling pains there. Now that you have caught him and showed him this self contradiction, he will soon tell you that the grave they are talking about is figurative and not real, or that the loss of consciousness in the grave is meant to be in the figurative sense. He will quote Encyclopedia Brittanica to show you that the rich man was not in a literal grave. Bwahahahahaha.... You still don't get it. Since we have proved the rich man was In grave ( Hades ) , that shows the story isn't real . People are not conscious in the grave ( Eccl 9:10) |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by CAPTIVATOR: 1:18am On Feb 09, 2019 |
Deadlytruth: You are very daft. Are we talking about whether grave is Hades or we are talking about hell being fire? Revelations 20:13 says the dead were called from hell first. Then verse 14 goes on to say that after judgement, those found wanting were thrown into a lake of fire. Why doesn't it say they were thrown into Hades after judgement? Are you sure you did comprehension in school at all? The parable of the rich man vs Lazarus similarly says that the rich man was first buried in his grave and then thrown into hell fire after Judgement. Compare the bold with this. Deadlytruth by pointing him back to the entire passage which rather explains that after being called from their graves both on land and in the sea, See how you use your own hands to prove the truth. Grk Hades ( hell in some bible) = Grave.  truth will always prevail over Lies Deadlytruth refer to hell as grave Lolzzzzzz the evil ones were thrown into a lake of fire. Lake of fire isn't hellfire . it's a symbol of second Death , Death, Death , Death. It means Death , Death., Death . opposite of life , what dies is no more. That's why when u read that death Is thrown into lake of fire ., do you mean death is literally burning ? Noo, Bible explains it means death will be no more ( Rev 21:4) that is the meaning of lake of fire. Jesus gave the parable of wheat and tares in which he mentioned hell. His disciples asked Him for a literal interpretation. He obliged them and in his literal interpretation he mentioned physical fire in place of hell. Why didn't he mention Hades for fire in the interpretation he gave? Yet you are still saying that hell fire means mere grave. U yourself have confirm Hades mean grave. Hell means grave. I really wish you are bold enough to answer baristet question, in his literal interpretation he also mention gnashing of teeth , does it mean spirit have bone ? How I wish u can attempt it. You dare not |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by CAPTIVATOR: 6:33pm On Feb 08, 2019 |
Deadlytruth: Why are you this dishonest? The whole debate started as to whether Hell fire is real or figurative and never about whether Hades means grave. I have showed you and your captivator where Jesus mentioned fire in the parable of wheat and tares, and in his literal interpretation He still referred to it as fire. Captivator dubiously cited a verse in isolation but when challenged to read further he ran away till now. Why do you want to address verse 14 separately? Is it not part of the passage hence must be addressed in the context of the rest verses in the passage? Or you want to take it in isolation according to the usual practice of your manupulative organization? I wasn't online all this while, I guess you are not intelligent enough to check my Nairaland Last seen. Simple question: Do you now accept Hades Is Grave? I quoted Revelation 20:13 to prove that Hades which the rich man was is Grave. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by CAPTIVATOR: 4:24pm On Feb 05, 2019 |
Deadlytruth: You would not know because you read a Bible from which such parts have been expunged in order to suit your preconceived doctrine. For example the rich man cried from hell and complained that the heat was to much for him to bear. Luke 16:24....So he called out, 'Father Abraham! Take pity on me, and send Lazarus to dip his finger in some water and cool off my tongue, because I am in great pain in this fire!' Called out from " Hades". Is Hades not Grave (Revelation 20:13) ?.. That should tell you it's not a real description |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by CAPTIVATOR: 4:18pm On Feb 05, 2019 |
TATIME: They're all on the road to life even when they keep contradicting one another IJN!   |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by CAPTIVATOR: 4:17pm On Feb 05, 2019 |
Deadlytruth: They are contradicting one another on their personal opinions and not on their interpretations of the Bible unlike your organization which contradicts itself in its own interpretations of the Bible. See the difference now? . Trash , I will address your hell post soon |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by CAPTIVATOR: 4:15pm On Feb 05, 2019 |
johnw47: false jw cap You think you are onto something don't you make yourself clear if possible, and I will show you that you are still a duh Broz respond and define what U are asked |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by CAPTIVATOR: 12:38pm On Feb 05, 2019 |
achorladey: Barristter07: B. They belong to those approved
Achorladey: Prove and show where your approval came from?
Barristter07: By virtue of their teachings, they follow the step laid down by Christ through his apostles.
Achorladey: other Christian denominations like the Jws don't do follow steps laid down by Christ through his apostles abi? They follow that of Satan and those laid down by disciples of Satan.
Barristter07: Let it sink inside your head again: Jehovah's Witnesses are CHRISTIANS.
Achorladey: You are afraid of getting yourself disapproved, I thought Jehovah's Witnesses are pagans before Ni! AS if I told you in the course of our discussion so far that you are not Christians.
Barristter07: The SAME CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION of that time exist today,
Achorladey : why you barristter07 no call am THE SAME JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES CONGREGATION of that TIME exist today. SMH.
The fact is you remain Christian Congregation OF Jehovah's witnesses and not Jehovah's Witnesses of Christian Congregation.
Barristter07: united brothers related in faith Galatians 6:10
Achorladey: What is the ONE FAITH that RELATES all CHRISTIANS together? This is to ascertain if indeed you understand Galatians 6:10.
Barristter07: Before a person becomes a part of this congregation they learn about God whom we worship and Christ himself.
Achorladey: If I had lack reasoning skills and comprehension WA ti ko RUBBISH si mi Lori. So you now agree that the knowledge about the Truth first and not the knowledge about Jws First.
Barristter07: AFTER THIS they became a member of Gods household , related in faith
Achorladey: No they need to know Who JWS(pillar and support of truth) first.
For the record, IT is After knowing the TRUTH, not the ones peddle about as PRESENT, PAST or FUTURE TRUTH by the JWs but the TRUTH as it revolves around JESUS the TRUTH because bearing witness ABOUT the TRUTH is WHAT inspires PROPHECY. Such individuals become pillars and support of the truth.
Barristter07: Achorladey , Tell us this brothers with whom you are related in FAITH?
Achorladey: Who did Jesus call his brothers and sisters and mothers? Why will you not keep asking when you decided to not to even attempt the question at the beginning of the post you responded to.
Barristter07: None ?
Achorladey: It really shows how your mind is playing with you. You are willing to answer your question by yourself. You are talking nonsense , Where did Jesus or his apostle teach satanic doctrines like hellfire, Trinity, immortal soul etc that these denominations all preach ? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by CAPTIVATOR: 12:27pm On Feb 05, 2019 |
CAPTIVATOR: Define it first!
Barrister cannot beat you now  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by CAPTIVATOR: 12:26pm On Feb 05, 2019 |
CAPTIVATOR: Define it first!
Barrister cannot beat you to  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by CAPTIVATOR: 12:26pm On Feb 05, 2019 |
johnw47: fake jw's can never be the original pharisees is that what you mean?
lie lie barristter it's very easy to define soul and body from the internet if i didn't know the meaning myself but you know i don't do assignments for false jw's-satans mob
however i will repeat: "you believe a persons dead body doesn't mean the person died", laughing Define it first! Barrister cannot beat you Now  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by CAPTIVATOR: 1:51am On Dec 08, 2018 |
zodiakzax: [s]
I will respond Barristter07, clearly your mind is Full of shit, I took my time to explain that to you but because you are so dumb you refuse to understand... I know you are all uneducated, so it's difficult for you to use your mind to think and educate yourself, so arguing with an illiterate and a fool is the most difficult thing one can do., your stupid organization tells you school is not important yet they fall on scholars to understand the bible, stupid stinking devils.. 
Don't worry, just trying to make enough time for myself... I'm a family man you know... [/s] energy spent typing the above unintelligible post would have answer those posts he made . |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by CAPTIVATOR: 1:41am On Dec 08, 2018 |
zodiakzax: They said the Father is Jesus' Lord, i aked them where did Jesus called The Father my Lord? Till now they are jumping from one assumption to the other and not a single verse to.prove the case.. ... Jesus is the one Lord, Father is the Sovereign Lord. If your brain is working that render your question useless . just like you are assuming when asked where Peter called Jesus My Lord. Why did Jesus question the people about them believing He's David's Son when He is David's Lord, but later said he was David's offspring.. this fake JW Christians couldn't even answer... ... If He didn't deny being David's son and yet David called Him Lord, then why do you fuse around when the Father aknowledges Christ as Lord? ..... sense should have tell you that Jesus exist before David. That make him David's Lord, Jesus exist before the Father ? Zodiakzax you don't have sense Jesus Christ is no Angel, in this note the JW's, OneJ, barrister07 agreed Jesus is not an angel, directly insulting their own organization.. at least we agreed here  Angel is messenger , they tell you nah. Made better doesnt mean he wasn't one . right now he heads Angels whose voice will raise the dead ? Jesus or that of the arch angel . also, who is the Angel of the Lord who answers the name Yahweh ? They said he wasnt raised in a physical body, yet Jesus had wounds on his body, nasty ones, so if he wasn't raised bodily why the wounds? ..sometimes they sound so stupid that my dog looks alot wiser.. The wounds prove he wasn't raised bodily, abi you mean Jesus wasn't raised with a perfect body ? But dishonored one ? Bible said the dead are not raised with dishonor, don't go and say someone with hunchbak will he raised with such dishonor , or someone burnt by fire with such dishonor . use your sense nah. ... He only materialized like angels did in the past Isaiah 48:16, has disgraced them to show them Yahweh calling another Yahweh. They jump up and down yet cannot prove anything, some said it was Jesus being sent, some said it was Isaiah etc, confused stupid pagans One thing is certain, Yahweh has no Lord... So rule Yahweh out as the one been sent. Is that hard for u again ? They said Christianity is monotheism yet they say there arw many gods apart from Yahweh in Christianity ..I know right... well can't blame them they've not gone to school.. .. One God is just the Father - 1 Cor 8:6 When confronted about Russell their founder they deny him because Russell himself is against this apostate religion..
They quoted a verse to show mountains are born, to imply that create is equal to born... I asked them show me a scripture that says mountains were created? Till now they can't .. thyve been jumping from one stone to the other without a single verse showing that mountains were created.. ..i asked them were you born or created by your mother assuming born and create is the same..They said God created them.. ....Yeah I know that wasn't the question.. were born or not by your mother? They can't even understand this simple question,.So how can they answer  Jesus is created Mr Man. Jesus is the beginning of the creation of God. Rev 3:14. No assumption . even mountains are created, didn't he prove it by Act 4 vs 24 ? They lie here and there changing their mouths but everything is on records.. which group were Christians called in the bible, pagan Tatime admitted Jesus never said we should be called groups, yet he continues to ask a stupid question about groups in the bible... that's how stupid they are.... respond to Barrister07 3 points why is taking you forever Sir ? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by CAPTIVATOR: 1:21am On Dec 08, 2018 |
Barristter07:
funny, I will surely visit that Brother All right bro, am very much loving the way you ignore that troll begging for your attention |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by CAPTIVATOR: 1:02am On Dec 06, 2018 |
Gruni1234: You see my dear, first of all let me make this clear. The book of Hebrews makes it clear that Jesus was and is not an angel. Anyone who says otherwise is wrong according to what Hebrews says. I will challenge a Christian Trinitarian or not to prove otherwise. I am presented with the fact and truth and i go by it, I see A and know it's A, so why do you tell me it's B when what you are using to support your claim is base on assumption and speculations. Evidence I have of your own bible says He's not An angel. Now if Yahweh gives his name to an angel, does that make that Angel Yahweh? Interesting, one error of trinity shown not at all, same applies to Jesus . he is a "representative from God" NOT Yahweh himself - John 7:29 Hebrews tells us no angel was begotten of God. Only Jesus was/is. That's a fact presented to me. And I will go by it. Unless the bible contradicts itself. Do you know it as an angel that appeared to Moses in the burning bush? Do you know it was an angel that told Abraham not to kill Isaac? You Christians assume so much yet know little about the Torah. Dont misquote , Who are his fellows at verse 9 ? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by CAPTIVATOR: 12:52am On Dec 06, 2018 |
CAPTIVATOR: Bro , I said Gruni1234 is a pretender and underground trinitarian on this thread , an objective researcher would have asked questions as Tatime said to uncover areas which might not have been evident to an average reader , Bro many trinitarians believe that there is an Angel In the old testament whose identity is Jesus . If you have the time check this trinitarian website , and you too Gruni1234, https://crossexamined.org/who-is-the-angel-of-the-lord/ it says in part it becomes evident that the angel of the Lord is none other than the pre-incarnate Christ Himself
zodiakzax see your fellow trinitarians
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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by CAPTIVATOR: 12:48am On Dec 06, 2018 |
zodiakzax: Who is one Lord? You are here shouting God alone is Lord, no Lord above Him, Who is the one Lord? You will see he will run away like a scared dog.. the issue is who is the one God . and that has been answered . the Father, if you want to argue who is the one Lord it's baseless , Jesus was Made Lord by his Father. So he earn it by privilege . Bible said God made him Lord ( Act 2:36) , Who is the one God, ? Thank God you can't counter that one. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by CAPTIVATOR: 12:43am On Dec 06, 2018 |
zodiakzax: Silly little girl, idiot.....Now you have mouth to talk, when you lied and you were confronted did you respond, now you can talk.... stupid if Jesus wasnt raised in that body why did he have the nail prints in his hands and legs and his pierced side, liars the question should be if truly he was raised in that body, he shouldn't have those marks and wounds , should he ? According to Bible, The dead are buried in dishonor but will be raised in Glory. Are you telling us Jesus was raised with dishonor of wounds and those scars ? Contradicting the bible ? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by CAPTIVATOR: 12:33am On Dec 06, 2018 |
zodiakzax: Try to shut up and read carefully, if you can't read and understand go andgive it to someone to do so. That's not even the point he was making.... illiterates....pagans Shouting as usual, thank God " a god " is not a wrong translation |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by CAPTIVATOR: 6:17pm On Dec 04, 2018 |
Gruni1234: My dear Tatime, you were an ex Muslim right? You believed in one God right? Muslims are not polytheist right? Now imagine in the quran there are two Allahs, that will go against the beliefs of Islam. Now I looked up the Corithians 8: 4-5 you mentioned and it's clear that the writer said unto them meaning you Christians there's but one God. So Christians are not Polytheist. You see i looked up this Moses Pharoah issue and the right translation is "Like God", going through the Torah and independent of the bible, it is clear that God said he will make Moses Like God to Pharoah not God. You can be like someone and yet not be that person. You can look it up yourself.
Christians having one God in that context my dear Tatime is not to mean one religion and one doctrine. It simply means One God. Others believe there many gods, that's their belief but unto you the Christians there's but one God and not many, to say there are many then like the Greeks you are polytheist. Greeks do not believe in One God, they believe in many gods so if John 1:1 is to be translated "a god" then it means you Christians are also polytheist my dear. But if its left as " the word was divine" then it is God because if not that then Polytheism would be taught in that regard. Barrister was right that you are not fit to do any analysis here, when Tatime ask you to read 1 Corinthians 8:5,6 did you ? U dont or your bias mind is so at work that you didnt see where it reveal the identity of that one God.
English Standard Version yet for us there is one God, the Father , from whom are all things
Who is the one God ? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by CAPTIVATOR: 5:56pm On Dec 04, 2018*. Modified: 6:18pm On Dec 04, 2018 |
Gruni1234:
Yes my dear. It is, the appropriate should have been God or divine. No one had the right to assume it was a smaller god. I have done enough search into that when OneJ asked me to, and from all angles including Atheist greek scholars, the word was divine, that should be left alone as it is or as God. You become a polytheist which your very religion is against. Polytheism is the believe in many gods. So if you say the word is a god, you them say there are two gods. apply what you said. That means it wrong at Act 26:8 too , right ?
" Howbeit they looked when he should have swollen, or fallen down dead suddenly: but after they had looked a great while, and saw no harm come to him, they changed their minds, and said that he was a god " KJ . |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by CAPTIVATOR: 3:30pm On Dec 04, 2018 |
Gruni1234: I have nothing more to say, John 1:1 was an example to show you that Atheist believe in the translation as God not "a god" , to tell you that an Atheist doesn't believe in God even though he was called upon. He could have just rejected them and say go away I don't believe in God, but you see we are more civil and learned to accommodate everyone. Afwtrall you can't prove God exists so why do I fight with you. God exists yet there's hunger, murder of innocent children. Then he's no God.
But it's obvious our communication,logics and comprehension of simple English language is quite on a different level. So with your case my dear friend, I have nothing more to say. You are just confirming everything zodiakzax says about your lack of intelligence. is " a god " a wrong translation ? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by CAPTIVATOR: 3:28pm On Dec 04, 2018 |
Gruni1234: I have nothing more to say, John 1:1 was an example to show you that Atheist believe in the translation as God not "a god" to tell you that an Atheist doesn't believe in God even though he was called upon. He could have just rejected them and say go away I don't believe in God, but you see we are more civil and learned to accommodate everyone. Afwtrall you can't prove God exists so why do I fight with you. God exists yet there's hunger, murder of innocent children. Then he's no God.
But it's obvious our communication,logics and comprehension of simple English language is quite on a different level. So with your case my dear friend, I have nothing more to say. You are just confirming everything zodiakzax says about your lack of intelligence. Which zodiakzax ?  . you believe something is right doesn't mean its correct, if you are intelligent you would have tell us if a god is a wrong translation of that Greek word . is it? |