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itsmeurLady:
It's just like asking what your name has got to do with you, your name tells a lot about your kind of person wether directly or indirectly. U might have used it for fun but it's not fun, when the first thing people get to see before they see the real you is Negative. It's just like bearing a profile name "Sadist" or "Prostitute" and sayin what has it got to do with you. Anywayz, your choice



Yes I'm praying for him already, if he doesn't then he is not the one, God never Fails! You can never Wait on God and then he will disappoint, it has never been recorded, So I'd rather be on the winning Side!

Coolgent:
the so called village people can never do anytin to u except what almighty God has destined.

mikejj:
baba if her death was God's will, no amount of prayer will heal her ok.

rottennaija:
I was second to comment on this thread.

https://www.nairaland.com/4404492/accepting-jesus-christ-same-thing#65934976

In the link above, I mentioned what it means to be born again. To say again, God does not choose anything. It's an individual that decides if he would be born again or not. It's like when you read Mt 5:3, it's an individual that decides if he will be poor or beggar in spirit, or as New world translations says, Conscious of his or her spiritual needs. It not God that decides for an individual. God has done his work, by sending his son to buy people for him, it's now left for the individual to decide if he would take up that opportunity or not

I think I have clarified it. Please, let's deal with the questions I posted to you.

rottennaija:
Explain how 1 John 5:1 and 1 John 3 :9 highlight the qualities of a person who has been born again posses and how such qualities is different from other who have not been born again.

When explaining, include why Jesus would tell someone whom he knew had no control on the matter of being born again, since as you explained is done by God,

who has no choice in whether he is born again or not that "he must be born again", else he would not see the kingdom of God.

Also, explain Romans 8:14 with John 1:12.

As a final question, when praying to God in heaven, addressing him as "our father in heaven", do you really feel the son-father relationship (Mt 6:9, compare with Ro 8:14, Jn 1:12, 1 Jn 3:9 and 5:1) or you simply call him our as "Jehovah"? Do you really see yourself as his son? Or you don't actually see him as your "father in heaven" as Jesus and his disciples feel it?

bedspread:
Just as u accepted HIM as Savior , U accept HIM as LORD...

Peacefullove:
The only thing that makes sense In your post is the first sentence. Which I will do

John 3:8
The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”

A person that is born of the spirit knows/ feel it that it has happened to them just as a person felt the sound of the wind as it blows in their direction .

The statement, you CANNOT TELL where it comes from or where its going shows the person themselves did not control the process , but it was done by The Almighty God . they only felt it.

In light of this, your second question becomes baseless because none of those who has experience this can actually tell how it happened, they only felt it within them that they had been born again.

Trying to explain it is like trying to describe how the wind blows to someone who has never experience or saw the wind .

Its Yeshua whom you call Lord that said so . Not peacefullove .

Jozzy4:
Its actually possible to accept Christ as Lord and Savior without necessarily being born again .

John the Baptist belived in Jesus Christ, yet he wasn't born again ... Cos the records said he won't be in the kingdom of heavens ( Mat 11:11)

- Also one of the thief's on Jesus side also accept him as Lord and Saviour , putting faith in him, Yet he wasn't born again because Jesus did not promise him heaven , Instead he promise him paradise ( which every Jew reading the Septuagint knew refers to the Garden of Eden , thus a reference to the New Earth ).

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1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:

15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ . This is the true God, and eternal life.

21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

Hairyrapunzel:
Like it was abstain from blood transfusion or human blood you saw there. Mtcheww

adadike281:
God forbid such a husband! na from d first hospital I go divorce am sharp sharp. many churches do twist God's word or Is there anywhere in d bible that Jesus condemn blood transfusion?

LordVoldermort:
You seem to be a master of diversion good one doesn't change the human sacrifice fact

Deadlytruth:
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The crux of our argument here is whether or not anyone could be a believer in the true Messiah before getting to know him in person or by name as "Jesus".
You said it wasn't. I said it was, and I showed you where it is so recorded so as to prove it that people knew him as Jesus and believed in him as the Messiah even though he had not been born let alone having the opportunity to meet Him.
But rather than accept it or prove me wrong, you shifted the goalpost to Hebrew text. How does that change the fact that Angel Gabriel mentioned Jesus' name before his birth? How does that change the fact that John the Baptist believed in him and baptized in his name before he ever met him in person?
It is only when you declare that John the Baptist was an unbeliever that I will believe you are sincerely convinced that no one could have believed in Jesus without having being preached to about him.
Who preached to John the Baptist?
Who preached to the Pharisees and convinced them to abandon the warrior Messiah expectation for the peaceful one which was already known as Jesus at the time they got so converted?
Was John the Baptist an unbeliever despite he was preaching and baptizing on Jesus' behalf?
Unfortunately you didn't offer a single response to all these posers but shifted the goalpost to Hebrew text.
That was pure rubbish! Answer these questions first before any other thing.

JMAN05 is right for implicitly arguing that the recording of the announcement of Jesus birth in Matthew means that it happened in the new testament times?
That is the biggest illogicality I saw in recent times.
I can see that like calls onto like.
You can retain what some 8 men have brainwashed you to believe at the expense of your own logical thinking and self study. The day they adjust that doctrine you'll start singing another tune. We have seen a lot of doctrinal summersaults before now by you people.
You once claimed the world would end in 1914. When it failed, you shifted it to the mid 70s. When it failed again you moved it to the 2000s. The book of Deuteronomy says that anyone whose prophesy fails is not of God. But despite the failures of your organization's prophesies you still stick to it and yet claim to know the scriptures? What an irony!
Paul the Apostle warned that no one should believing in anyone who later adjusts his doctrine even if it is by himself. Yet you people keep adjusting your doctrines and you Ironically claim to know the scriptures? Who really takes you people seriously if not yourselves?

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Deadlytruth

Before the birth of Jesus, the scriptures had already made it known that the Messiah would be named Jesus - Mathew 1:22.
So whoever had read the scriptures already knew the Messiah as Jesus .

JMAN05:
You will have difficulty discussing with this guy. Had he been consistent and had knowledge of the scriptures, it would have been easier. Stating that what was written in Matthew has been there even before Jesus birth is a gaffe that gives him away.

Deadlytruth:
It's you who shouldn't be taken seriously anymore as you keep shifting the goalpost. You don't really have an idea of what you are saying.
It is a pity you are not able to read between the lines in Matthew's account.
Even though it is written in The new testament, the scenario which Matthew was referring to in that account all happened before Jesus was born and not after Jesus started his ministry.
It is like arguing that those ancestors mentioned in the genealogy of Jesus all existed in the New Testament times just because the genealogy account itself was given in Mathew - a new testament book.
Isiah Chapter 7:14 makes it clear that the Messiah's earthly mother would name him "Emmanuel" which means "God with us" . Prior to the Messiah's birth, Angel Gabriel told His earthly father to name Him "Jesus" meaning "God will save His people"
Yet before both of these instances happened all other prophets had prophesied that the Messiah would come and dwell among his people and save them. So who could have read the Hebrew text then and still not know that the Messiah was going to be called Jesus?

It is you who needs to sit down and do a core analysis and deep personal study of the promise of the Messiah while freeing your mind from a doctrine imposed on you by some 8 men who are just as human as yourself.

bloodofthelamb:
The Apostle were talking about animal blood here. I will give my life blood to save a life just as JESUS CHRIST gave his life blood to save the world eternally.

That man will be held responsible by God for the death his wife, except he repent.

Deadlytruth:
Let me help you one more time.
Before the birth of Jesus, the scriptures had already made it known that the Messiah would be named Jesus - Mathew 1:22.
So whoever had read the scriptures already knew the Messiah as Jesus, thus whoever genuinely believed in the promised Messiah as described in the scriptures automatically also believed in Jesus as the Messiah prior to even His birth let alone the launching of His ministry. Only the Jews practising Judaistic fundamentalism deliberately refused to accept it like that not because they were sincerely ignorant of it but because it did not conform to their own carnal minded idea of who a savior should be.
If, we were to accept your position that no one could be a believer in Jesus before he revealed Himself through the beginning of His ministry, then one would be misled into assuming that John the Baptist was an unbeliever prophet preaching and baptizing on Jesus' behalf just because he had not known Jesus physically.
Does that make sense?
In fact John the Baptist believed in Jesus without anyone having preached to him at all. Same with the Eunuch.

All those who came to John to get baptized knew that John was preaching the Messiah they were specifically expecting. Also note that the Pharisees and Sadducees who came for the baptism had repented of believing in a warrior Messiah and accepted the Messiah as Jesus. John the Baptist himself made this known in his declaration when he saw them coming.

Deadlytruth:
You have deliberately misinterpreted the message to preserve your narrative in the face of superior argument.

The issue under contention is whether one back then could be a believer before ever knowing who exactly Jesus was, and the answer is a big Yes. John the Baptist and the Ethiopian Eunuch stand out as the best examples.

The Samaritan Woman and all the others you mentioned above came to believe in Jesus after getting to know him in person. The Judaist Jews were not believers because even though they were expecting a Messiah, the perception they had about the characteristics that Messiah would posses was contrary to that which was clearly spelt out in the scriptures they Ironically claimed was their guide.The scriptures described the Messiah as peaceful and compassionate, humane, loving, humble and self-effacing; but they ignored all that and created their own version of the attributes of the Messiah to include a physical warrior, a killer, a blood thirsty conqueror, etc. Such was a clear disbelief in the scriptures, hence they became unbelievers even though they were expecting a Messiah too.

On the other hand, both the Jews and non-Jews like John and the Eunuch, who chose not to create their own mental version of the messiah but believed the attributes of the Messiah as spelt out in the scriptures were believers hence did not need to have seen or known Him before believing in Him. That was a display of great faith which Christianity itself is all about. Thanks for your time too.

Deadlytruth:
As per the bolded; let me use another illustration since the Eunuch's one does not convince you.

John The Baptist was a believer spreading the message about Christ and asking people to repent. However, he had not known who Christ was despite Christ was standing right in front of him. It took the Holy Spirit telling him who Jesus was. This meant John the Baptist was a believer who however did not know the person he believed in until the Holy Spirit showed him. So he obviously kept on asking the Holy Spirit to reveal the identity of Jesus to him despite he had believed in Him and had been preaching and baptizing others who repented to follow Christ.
You can't be conducting baptisms on behalf of a person you are yet to believe in.

See the passage below:
John Chapter 1.

29. The next day John saw Jesus coming to him, and said, “There is the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! 30 This is the one I was talking about when I said, ‘A man is coming after me, but he is greater than I am, because he existed before I was born.’ 31 I did not know who he would be, but I came baptizing with water in order to make him known to the people of Israel.”

This shows clearly that he believed in and was preaching about a person he had not known.

32 And John gave this testimony: “I saw the Spirit come down like a dove from heaven and stay on him. 33 I still did not know that he was the one, but God, who sent me to baptize with water, had said to me, ‘You will see the Spirit come down and stay on a man; he is the one who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’ 34 I have seen it,” said John, “and I tell you that he is the Son of God.”


Based on the above the Eunuch was a believer in Christ and went to worship the God who sent Him even though he was yet to know who exactly that Christ was.

Deadlytruth:
Still taking verses in isolation thus out of context. In verse 27 of that Acts chapter 8, the Eunuch is reported to be on his journey back home after having gone for worship in Jerusalem. How could an unbeliever have gone to worship in Jerusalem?

And does Acts 11:20 record that they went from house to house among those Greek unbelievers?
Recall that the contention is about the rightness or wrongness of going from house to house among unbelievers.

Deadlytruth:


The Eunuch was of similar spiritual standing as Cornelius and he was studying the scriptures with a receptive heart thus he had already believed but only wanted to understand. Remember the kingdom is by first believing so that you may understand unlike science and human disciplines for which you must first understand before believing.

The use of "people" connotes nothing other than generalization. "The people" mean both believers and unbelievers. However, when you factor in the preceding verses and treat the passage as a whole, you can't deny the nuances.

You lie about Acts 20:2
It did not say anything at all about house to house preaching.
Here is what it says starting from verse 1, " When the uproar had ended, Paul sent for the disciples and after encouraging them, said good-bye and set out for Macedonia. 2. He travelled through that area speaking many words of encouragement to the people and finally arrived in Greece."
Now apart from the fact that it wasn't recorded here that he went from house to house while traveling through those places mentioned, it is inconceivable that a man who was hurrying away from a city where there was an uproar against him would decide to start wasting time visiting houses in just the neighboring territories.

As per the bolded, the verse spoke of teaching and announcing the good news but in analysing it you removed the word "teaching" in pursuit of the predetermined doctrine you are trying to establish.

Put the "teaching" back and ask yourself who needs teaching between unbelievers and already existing believers?
Don't you as an already existing believer receive teaching in your Kingdom Halls? Does that make you an unbeliever? How does a believer grow if not by teaching?
Teaching is exclusively meant for believers. Unbelievers have no business with it.

You don't teach unbelievers. You first convince them by announcing the good news and healing them of their diseases since, as unbelievers, they require signs and not teaching.

In fact trying to teach an unbeliever is usually counterproductive because he too already has a belief structure which he rigidly believes in. When you speak he can counter you with superior arguments. When you challenge a Moslem's faith by trying to teach him the Bible you are very likely to fail because most of them study the Bible more than Christians and you inclusive. Same with Bhuddists and even Atheists. But by demonstrating the power and love of God through miracles you melt their hearts. That is why Paul says in 1 Cor 4:20 that the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk but of power.

Deadlytruth:
It is very obvious that you have not taken the pain to follow this thread from the beginning.
This verse you quoted in different translations a
is a part of a larger narration which the book of Acts contain. My argument here is that it is wrong to pick verses in isolation to the entire passages in which they are just a part. That exactly is what you have done. Drawing the hands of the clock back and asking me to be sincere. That advice is actually meant for you.

Deadlytruth:
As per your first paragraph, what you see in that verse is a generalization which does not alter the specific nuances in the details. I have repeated this enough.

Acts 8:35 has nothing about house to house preaching. It is rather an encounter between Philip and the Ethiopian Eunuch who was on a journey and was reading Isiah without understanding. This means the Eunuch was not really an unbeliever. And even at that Theo's angel directed Philip to catch up with the him on his way home and not in his home on arrival. So your argument fails again.

Let me now go a bit more detailed about this Acts 5:42 you've been holding onto as your remaining lifeline. What we have there is that they were teaching and proclaiming the good news from house to house. Now, aside the fact that there was no single person in Jerusalem to whom the gospel was altogether strange at that material time, you need to go back to Acts 5:12 - 16 where the whole show began. It records that the Apostles and believers performed healing miracles on the people who gathered around them either in the streets or at Solomon's Colonnade of the Temple and because of this more men and women were added to their numbers. This means they won new converts in the Temple and in the streets but never inside people's houses. It was on this note that the high priests and Sadducees got to know and out of envy got the Apostles punished. Had they won the converts inside people's houses privately it would not have been a public issue and the Chief priests and Sadducees would not have heard about it let alone getting them punished.
Again, if you read Acts 4:32-37 you would see that the believers lived communal lives relative to one another. This means they shared all they had among themselves even though they were living separately in the physical sense. For people residing in different houses to live communally, they must visit one another's houses to share those belongings and strengthen one another's faith by teaching and proclaiming the message which constrained them to live such pattern of life in the first instance. This is what house to house manner refers to in the verse you cited above, and not the evangelism targeted at unbelievers.
Till now you have not been able to cite outside Acts any passage or verse which clearly approves house to house preaching in unambiguous language.
I have successfully cited some outside Acts.
Whatever position we want to defend, we must be able to draw clear evidences from as many books as possible as long as we believe that these books are not cross-contradictory.

achorladey:
1 Peter 4:7 go continue to beat you. Why waste precious time flogging a dead horse? Whenever you see good sound reasoning, admit and learn. It is not too much for an indivivdual that is mentally stable to do only that the series of your post is proving otherwise.

Hairyrapunzel:
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The end is not near at all. Come and beat me. Is it me that told you to remain in bondage? The end is not near.

Sorry to disappoint you. Your much awaited imagined end is only in your head. You will continue shunning your loved ones and dying because of blood transfusion ban for nothing. You will not celebrate the good things life on earth has to offer because of the other life on earth your leaders imagined in their head for you people. You will keep waiting for the much anticipated imagined end yet nothing will come. You will end up dying of heartbreak just like your past and present leaders. This good world will continue to progress.

Do you know there is so much good in this world? I guess not because your organization has told you its only bad people aside jws that exist in this real life on earth.
If you like don't live a meaningful life. You can shun all the disfellowshipped people, can kill yourself and children by blood transfusion refusal, can have orgasms for news about disasters and crimes, can dream about mass genocide etc. It won't happen another life wasted. [/s]

Shewbread:
My Bro, Did it happen? Yes. Is it unusual? Yes. If we live in a world of cause and effect - What caused it? God. These are the facts I expect anyone to talk about instead of bringing up what was not in the text.

Hairyrapunzel:
There has always been wars even in bible times. Bros the end is not near. Its people like you that Jesus said we should flee from.