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He is probably one of the eeidiots like neyoworld247 who come to Nairaland saying they have N10m, which country should they go?

Pacesetter123:
Cheap talk like this do pain me a lot.
Are you saying that our road infrastructure, healthcare system, educational institutions,our standard of living,etc are now in anyway better than they were during the subsidy regime?
That our economy is now attractive to investors than it was during subsidy regime?
It is like you don't even know what you are talking in your mouth.

And people who ask these kinds of questions pain me a lot because it seems to assume the government has money. We were borrowing to pay salaries we were borrowing to pay fuel subsidies. This has been happening since the days of Jonathan. Remmember when NOI said we were borrowing to pay salaries.


We have been living a fake life and on top of that our crude oil production dropped from 2mbpd to 1.4m.

Anybody who thinks you can arrest the rot of decades of bad priorities and you will feel the positive effects immediately clearly has a low IQ

Like I said because money for education was used for subsidy, we produce educated people like you who lack critical reasoning abilities….the reason your degrees are worthless for the few jobs that exist and why your fellow graduates are Uber drivers, sales girls and bank clerks.

It is safe to say that at 81 in 2027, Atiku will never be Nigeria’s president.

Abagworo:
All those allegations that few people were benefitting from subsidy are all lies as proven by the suffering of Nigerians. All of us were benefitting from the subsidy as planned but the Government feels it is better for her own funds to increase even at the expense of the people's comfort hence the removal.

That’s a short term mindset. We were all suffering before because there were no investment in roads, no hospitals no good schools. They gave you cheap petrol to stop you from feeling the impact of the damage the subsidy regime was doing to your futures.

What is the benefit of cheap petrol if it means your life and prospects stagnate?

You spend all the money (even borrowing) on subsidy, because you spend all the money on subsidy you don’t have a well educated Labour pool, poor roads and infrastructure etc because of that you are unattractive as a destination for businesses, because businesses don’t invest good jobs are not created, because there are no jobs you are unemployed and the few jobs that are available you are unqualified because the education system is so underinvested your certificates and degrees are worthless…..all because of cheap subsidized petrol!!!!

vowiski:
Saves $20 billion then goes around to borrow $2 billion

There is a lot of misinformation about the gains of subsidy removal.

What we gained from the removal of subsidy is in the not having to continue to borrow to fund the subsidy. Government is not communicating effectively. It’s not money we had/have that is saved.

As for forex that is more complicated.

As for new borrowings, we are borrowing to fu d the business of government: social services and infrastructure rather than to burn subsidized petrol in gas guzzling jeeps.

Odingo1:
Migration have ended in the world with technology innovation except what Fulani is doing in Benue by killing entire villages and taking over their land.

Igbos can never become indigenous to Yoruba land except if Yorubas do like Northern cities were they gave Igbo people outskirts area and call it Sabo Ngari, with time Igbos built up the area and become dominant in the area but yet it doesn’t make them indigenous, incase of Yorubas, Igbos are scattered in Yoruba cities with no concentration to a particular area like in the core North.

There are already areas that are known to be Ibo areas.

Festac is predominantly Ibo, amuwo, etc.

Odingo1:
These research is a reality on ground not for a joke.

Who says I am joking? It’s an inevitability. Everybody is a product of migration. You settle somewhere long enough and you become “from there”

Ibos did not originate from the place they call Ibo land today, ijebus are from Sudan, most Yorubas from are actually migrants from Ife, There are yoruba descendants in Warri and Bayelsa.

So what I stated is simply a matter of certainty. In a few generations Ibos will tell you about their roots and ancestors in yoruba land…..and they will be historically correct.

No joke, no tribal connotations just a certain effect of human migration that is inevitable.

Soon they will add Lagos, ogun Ondo, Ekiti and Oyo to the list of their states.

ottersberger:
Let me give you some valuable advice. Stick to what you know and stay away from things you know nothing about.

You've only succeeded in showing yourself to be ignorant of the matter you have chosen to pursue so passionately. If only you could bring yourself to call the Igbo by their real name instead of your derogatory "Ibo".

This shows your deep-seated contempt that is evident in your narrative.

You must be a small boy. This phenomenon of referring to Ibos as Igbo is a recent thing. Ibos have always been called Ibos and referred to themselves as Ibos. It is not derogatory, if anythinng, igbo in yoruba is derogatory because to us it means bush, forest or weed (drugs)

Even Zik repeatedly referred to his people as “Ibo”’ while addressing them! Read his speach of 1949 as one example, he repeatedly says “Ibo” not “igbo”. I grew up with Ibos, if it was derogatory they would have corrected me. My textbooks as a student referred to ibos not Igbos. Referring to yourselves as “Igbo” is a recent phenomenon and some of us are used to what we are accustomed to. Nothing derogatory!


You are too sensitive and always taking offense in everything and that’s why you always deviate from the real issues. If you want to be pedantic, let me educate you. There is nothing like the yoruba tribe or language, the word is Yoruba is derived from Yoruba which is actually a Fulani/Hausa insult for people of the Oyo empire. We have Oyo, ijebu, Ijesha, egba, Ife, Ekiti etc. but we call ourselves and are called yoruba and we don’t take offense. Imagine Yorubas saying they don’t want to be referred to as Yorubas because it is derogatory after you have spent all your life hearing them call themselves yoruba? Must you ALWAAYS make an issue of everything, is everything an attack on you? STOP BEING SO PRECIOUS and acting like SNOWFLAKES , PEOPLE HAVE BIGGER THINGS TO WORRY ABOUT


My wife is referred to by her childhood friends by her nickname which is a combination of her first name and her maiden name……I don’t take offense, it doesn’t mean they don’t respect that she is now married. I have friends who I grew up with that changed their names for different reasons, I call them by the name I know them and if they don’t like it too bad!



Below are just a few instances from of his speech, where he repeatedly says “Ibo”. Not once did your leader, address your people as “Igbo”

This address was delivered at the Ibo State Assembly held at Aba, Nigeria, on Saturday, June 25, 1949.



Harbingers of a new day for the Ibo nation, having selected me to preside over the deliberations of this assembly of the Ibo nation, I am conscious of the fact that you have not done so because of any extraordinary attributes in me. I realize that I am not the oldest among you, nor the wisest, nor the wealthiest, nor the most experienced, nor the most learned. I am therefore grateful to you for elevating me to this high pedestal.

The Ibo people have reached a cross-road and it is for us to decide which is the right course to follow.

…… it is the road to self-determination for the Ibo within the framework of a federated commonwealth of Nigeria and the Cameroons, leading to a United States of Africa.

…It would appear that God has specially created the Ibo people to suffer persecution and be victimized because of their resolute will to live.

Is it not historically significant that throughout the glorious history of Africa, the Ibo is one of the select few to have escaped the humiliation of a conqueror’s sword or to be a victim of a Carthaginian treaty?

Search through the records of African history and you will fail to find an occasion when, in any pitched battle, any African nation has either marched across Ibo territory or subjected the Ibo nation to a humiliating conquest. Instead, there is record to show that the martial prowess of the Ibo, at all stages of human history, has rivaled them not only to survive persecution, but also to adapt themselves to the role thus thrust upon them by history, of preserving all that is best and most noble in African culture and tradition. Placed in this high estate, the Ibo cannot shirk the responsibility conferred on it by its manifest destiny. Having undergone a course of suffering the Ibo must therefore enter into its heritage by asserting its birthright, without apologies.

I have not come here today in order to catalogue the disabilities which the Ibo suffer, in spite of our potential wealth, in spite of our teeming man-power, in spite of our vitality as an indigenous African people; suffice it to say that it would enable you to appreciate the manifest destiny of the Ibo

…and on and on if you continue the peruse the speech, Zik the leader of the ibos addressing a tribal gathering of ibo representatives and tribesmen, repeatedly refers to his people as Ibo not Igbo.

Finally, as you can see from the 3rd picture, if you do a word search in the book “things fall apart”, written by a celebrated ibo cultural giant, Chinua Achebe, set in the context of ibo society and culture, the word ibo occurs 12 times, the word Igbo does not exist. Indeed Igbo only exists in the book 3 times as part of the names Ezigbo (twice) and Okadigbo (once). There is no mention of the word Igbo in the entire book. In the 4th picture, Achebe writes “as the ibo say”. Is he being derogatory? .


So STFU and go and sit down! Enough of this gaslighting! If your elders, Zik, Dadi Onyeama and your celebrated literary and cultural giant Achebe say your people are ibo, then who the fork are you small boy millennial who clearly does not know his own culture or history?

Derogatory is calling you an eeediot which you are, referring to people of the SE as Ibos is not derogatory!

Instead of offering advice from a position of ignorance, take my advice and learn your own history and culture so you don’t get schooled about your own history by outsiders. We have a saying in yoruba land that the day you join politics is the day you will learn your mother’s ex boyfriends. What it means is before you go out and make noise attacking others make sure you are sure of yourself.

XerXers:
There are categories of land that are not for sale to anybody how does that mean Igbos don't sell land to outsiders?

You are an eediot with a low IQ. Learn to read and understand. Like Abati said I am responsible for what I say, I am not responsible for your stupid1ty. This is always the problem with you people, somebody says one man is taller than the other, you interprete it as he said a man is short.


Eeeediots

Kukutente23:
I'm still asking you to show where she claimed that Yorubas are victimising Igbo property owners in the last 2 years. It's obvious you're knee deep in bigotry and can't see beyond tribal lens in everything.

Go back and watch the video because it's obvious you did not. Abati relied on a report by TOS Benson and he did not mention umunna land. He simply said based on Benson's experience, Ibos don't sell land. Go back and watch it and stop making assumptions

Abati mentioned umunna land. Irrespective f that the situation with ibo land is known to all. It is not a new thing neither is it a generalization.

It is so acknowledged that there are scholarly articles written about it. Thankfully they are written by ibos.

These are just 2.

https://www.ajol.info/index.php/ujah/article/download/72632/61550

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/374160847_A_CRITICAL_REVIEW_OF_LAND_RIGHTS_OWNERSHIP_AND_INHERITENCE_AS_INFLUENCED_BY_THE_IGBO_CUSTOM

Saga
I am not going to waste my time fish8ng through old arise videos to show you how joy helped to fuel the victimization agenda during the Lagos land saga. I personally detest her as she is an air head whose isn’t a journalist but a beauty queen and whose sole purpose (so also Ayo and all the others) is to appeal to the gullible who are seduced by looks. Maope of channels is a journalist and a professional not the empty heads on Arise. There is no difference between the ladies on Arise and bank marketing staff. We know why they exist, it’s not because of what is between their ears! We all know when we are dealing with ibos anything you say that is not pleasing to their ears is met with resistance.

You are the one who should watch the video again, he specifically said ummunnna. The annoying thing about it is that you people are carrying on as if you don’t know these things are true. Social media is full of comments FROM IBOS and videos confirming what Rueben said and that it is not an isolated case but a cultural norm.


Again good night!

11:06. He specifically says “go and buy umunna land, you will be told you don’t belong even as an in-law”

THis is what you people do, thank God there is evidence, every narratibepve you spin, nothing is ever your fault, you are never wr9mg. Aside from the video below, these are just a few of the countless ibos who have confirmed that ancestral land and community land is traditionally not sold in ibo land, so I really don’t know what the noise is all about except you take offense at anything and like I said before the reason this is a big deal for you is you cannot stand up and fpdefend your culture with chest because you have spent you time outside ibo land disrespecting other peoples culture.

“It is cultural” would have ended this debate and promoted understanding but you couldn’t because your stock in trade is insulting other peoples cultures so how can you now say hen we don’t sell certain lands because of culture which is the reality ?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4t7FO84y4c?feature=shared

Kukutente23:
Can you show an example of where Ojy Okpe disrespected the culture of others as you claim?

You're still yet to prove your claim that most lands in Igbo land are not for sale.

It seems to me that you're projecting your bias on her. What she took up with Abati was the generalisation.
And for your info, Ojy is from Delta state and not south east though she's Delta Igbo. So quit projecting your bias on her except you mean it's Igbo even those in south south don't sell land as you claim.
The fact still remains that there are ancestral lands that the owners do not sell for whatever reason and anyone who has travelled Nigeria well will know it's not peculiar to Igbo and they don't owe you any explanation. In the north, no Muslim will rent you a house or sell land to you to rear pigs. So a pig farmer too will come and say northerners don't sell lands.
That's generalisation because we all know it's not so.

I have said what I need to say, I am not responsible for how you receive the message. Read again and tell me where I saidOjy disrespected the culture of others. This is always the problem with you people. What I said is Ibos are generally disrespectful of the culture of others. What I said is Oju has been going on about on her platform promoting the idea that yorubas are victimizing Ibo property owners in Lagos for the last 2 years. Whereas someone as enlightened and educated as her knows full well that Ibos were not the only ones caught up in the illegal developments and most of them had no titles and they built illegally.

What is a generalization? Abate was clear and precise, he said ibos do not sell ummuma land or whatever you call it and gave an example.. Is that a generalization, is it not part of your culture? It is not a generalization it it such a fundamental part of Ibo culture that there are numerous scholarly articles written on the subject matter. The problem with dealing with you people is you don’t like to hear the truth, you only hear what you want to hear. That’s why you don’t get along with others.

Tinubu2027Agend:
Avoid the tendency to explain

South yeast is a dead zone.

DeOTR:
So the NE and NW wouldn't mind if the VAT comes from sales of alcohol and pork, seeing that they're getting more than 3 times of what they're contributing?

The North is actually a more productive zone despite their challenges. Their VAT collection is hampered because their is no VAT on food. They feed the rest of the country. Agriculture is the biggest contributor to our GDP but there is no VAT and the North feeds the rest of the country.

What I find really shocking is the decline of Kano. When I was young, Kano was toe to toe with Lagos in economic activity despite not having a port with Kaduna not far behind. Having said that, those versions version ofKano and Kaduna has been cannibalised into katsina and jigawa so that explains a part of the fall. Nonetheless

jmoore:
All these stats are misleading by the time you dig deeper.

Eg. An mtn consumer in Abia pays VAT which is counted under Lagos.

It’s not accurate but it is not that misleading. There are companies located outside Lagos for which the majority of their customers/consumers are located in Lagos.


Furthermore no one can deny Lagos is the commercial nerve center of Nigeria. So even if they attribute VAT to where the consumption take place, The most Lagos will drop to from 275b a month is maybe 150-200b a month. It means the N75-125b Lagos loses in VAT will be shared amongst the other 35 states and FCT where the VAT truly arose from. The most the entire SE will gain on a paltry figure is about 10-15b….still a pittance.

Kukutente23:
Most land? Are you sure about this that MOST land are not sold to outsiders? That's a big fat lie I can tell you.
She wanted Abati to clarify that he was not generalising about all Igbos. That's what she wanted and it's obvious from the video but Abati stuck to his guns and you can see he even claimed that he put a context to it which means he was also stylishly saying he never generalised.
So your treatise above is way off the mark. I don't know how you got to know that Ojy was ashamed to clarify by herself

My friend I don’t know if you are Ibo but what I expect from any Ibo who feels aggrieved by his comment is to explain why Ibo land is difficult. You have already admitted he did not lie. This issue about Ibo and land is not a new story. This was an opportunity for her to clear the air. She should have explained why people have that impression of false. She couldn’t because 1) Ibos serially disrespect the cultures of others. 2) she has spent the last year or 2 attacking Yorubas for having an agenda against Ibos on land property.

The land issue in Ibo land is a cultural thing. We all know and we respect it because we have cultures too. Again I repeat the reason why the Ibos are defensive when in fact they should be proud of their culture is because the land issue is cultural and they have serially and habitually disrespected other peoples cultures. So it is difficult for most Ibos to say it is a cultural thing because it will force them to confront the demon that they have been disrespecting other people cultures.

It is not a one off story, everybody knows land is difficult (I didn’t say impossible) to obtain in Ibo land because at least a significant portion of land is unavailable to outsiders, even Ibo outsiders so naturally what land is left is expensive. It is not like the SE has much land to begin with.

Kukutente23:
He did not lie but he shouldn't have generalised as well
To conclude that Igbos don't sell land due to someone else's narrow experience is hasty generalisation

What Ojy did was to deflect, when she should have used her position ans an Ibo with a platform to enlighten. Instead she played the victim card. Shee couldn’t for reasons I have explained in a previous post above. Instead she tried to to railroad Reuben and turn him into a bad guy.

Fact remains he did not lie and most land in SE is not available for sale to outsiders even Ibos. He did not state anything Ibos and the rest of Nigeria do not know

She should have used her position to explain but she couldn’t because of what her people have been doing to other people.

owobokiri:
Even the educated suffer the same Igbo phobia. Ruben has always been like this on Igbo issues for eons. People who don't know much about Abati, should go back to read all he wrote about the Igbos during the regime of Olusegun Obasanjo. At a point , he was boasting of how Obasanjo will cut off the head of Igbos if Uwazuruike didn't stop his MASSOB agitations. The whole thing raised a storm then. . These are all closet tribalists.

Land is costly in Igbo land because land is scarce. It is what it is. I am not sure of any Yoruba man willing to drop over 200 million to buy a plot of land at Nnewi. There are no real Yoruba presence in the east. You can not stay in Lagos or Okitipupa and be upset that the cost of land is high in Igbo land. Most of your guys in the east, live in groups like the northerners because of the high cost of accomodations. That you're out priced does not mean you are banned from buying.

There is no igbophobia. You people just get unduly defensive and sensitive.

No Ibo man will deny that most land in Ibo land is ancestral or community land. The difference between the Ibos and most other places in the country is that Ibos won’t sell these categories of land to outsiders even Ibo outsiders whereas in most parts of Nigeria they will sell communal or ancestral land to no indigenes. After all what are omoniles selling if not communal or family land?

Instead of you to say this is our culture, land is sacred and to us so we dont sell ancestral or communal land to outsiders but there are other categories of land for sale. However because most land is ancestral or communal the land available for sale can be expensive… simple!

The reason why you can’t do that is that you go to other peoples area and disrespect their culture so it is hard for you to say the reason why land is difficult but not impossible in the SE is a cultural one.

The reason why this is an issue is because you have disrespected other people’s traditions and cultures in your travels and cohabitation with others therefore it becomes difficult for you to say with full chest that this is a cultural thing when in fact there is absolutely nothing wrong with not selling land to outsiders if it is rooted in culture or beliefs. The Hausa do not apologize to you for introducing sharia or marrying teenagers, it is their culture, the Fulanis defend their right to roam with their cows, it is their culture. If you had just done that, most non Ibos would and indeed do understand because we know it’s a cultural thing. Again you can’t defend your practice and culture because you habitually disrespect other peoples traditions and cultures. So instead you say igbophobia and other diversionary comments.

The truth is we all have our cultures and practices. You don’t respect other peoples cultures so you are now finding it difficult to defend this.


Ordinarily an Ibo man should be able to say with full chest and the pride the Ibos are known for “according to our culture, it is taboo to sell communal or ancestral land to outsiders, the remaining land is scarce therefore expensive…….it is our culture end of story. Please try and understand but if you don’t then go and hug a transformer.”

You can’t because you have consistently and habitually shown disdain and disrespect for the traditions and cultures of your hosts on your travels. And that is all there is to it.

Kukutente23:
It is not true that it only happens in the east
There are some communities in the north the have ancestral lands that they can't sell

So basically Abati did not lie?

Mercenary123:
Imagine the kind of hatred this people have for igbos. It's scary

Yoruba leaders are explicitly showing their hatred for igbos yet no Igbo leader find it worthy to counter these lies told by yoruba propagandist

Igbos are endangered species in Nigeria

Is he lying? Everything hatred, address the issue.

Nobody has said there isn’t land for sale to outsiders in ibo land but unlike other areas of Nigeria, there are certain categories of land family land and communal land that they will not sell to outsiders even fellow ibos. Is that a lie?

Whether it is cultural or not this is a fact.

pazienza:
Nigeria will disintegrate sooner or later.
There is no two ways about it.
No Nation ever thrived on injustice and forced unity.
Nigeria will get poorer, weaker and a burden to all associated with it, until it disintegrates.
Your Yoruba children are already paying for the sins of Awolowo and currently for those of Tinubu.
It will only get worse.
You can't keep a man on the floor without staying in the floor with him, this has been the case of Nigeria and Ndiigbo since 1970!

When you were doing forced unity with no secession clause and unification decree, you didn’t know? You thought it would benefit you, when it backfired on you you are now wailing?

Until then get out of here we are tired of your nonsense. You are never happy until you control everybody, Sardauna said it and he is right. The thing is you are not strategic enough to execute such a plan so it always backfired and leaves you worse that you were.

Nobody takes you seriously anymore, you are seen as a joke.

pazienza:
Facts on ground disagree with your above vituperations.
SW was never the fastest growing region in Nigeria before the war, Eastern region anchored by the Igbo who are prudent resources managers were, and I have facts to back this up, I will post it later. It just goes to show how you Yorubas love to make up your own lies and live in your self deception.

I have been in NL since 2006. No other Nigerian group goes green with bitterness and hate like the Yorubas does at the mention of Igbo independence from Nigeria.
Actions like I say speak louder than words! Only the North elites are scared of Igbo independence as they know they will lose, the poor northern commoners have gained nothing from Nigeria and don't really care about Nigeria disintegration. But in Yoruba land, both the commoners and the elites are United in bitterness at the mention of Igbo exit because they know they will lose.

Lagos is not better than Lome or Cotonou, it's Nigerian lopsided post civil war economic policies and population that make Lagos what it is.
If you say otherwise, why doesn't Ogun, Osun, Ondo, Etc look like Lagos
Lagos will shrink to Lome and Cotonou level when Nigeria disintegrate and all ethnicities return home to build their own countries.
The Port in Lagos will serve only Oduduwa, the embassies as well, the company headquarters will downsize too as they have to open new headquarters in the capital cities of the new countries if they hope to operate there.
The job loss will be massive, the real estate will plummet.
You all know this, your actions show that too, but your usual lying tongues claim otherwise but no one is deceived.

And as usual you attempted to rope SS into the discussion.
Well I'm not an IPOB and only care about Igbo Indigenous part of SS.
SS to me is a mini Nigeria and will have same issues as Nigeria should they remain as a single country without ofcourse Igbo communities there.
But that's their headache not mine.

No Igbo man actually is obsessed with Nigerian presidency. We just want the best man and quality political leadership at the helms which unfortunately isn't possible with Yorubas and the North as has been proven since 2015.
Your SW states outside Lagos isn't better in any metrics of measurement of human development or quality of living than SE states, so I don't know how producing Nigerian presidency in OBJ and now Tinubu has helped you lots or placed your commoners at better economic standing than Igbo commoners.

You are not getting Biafra and you are not getting the presidency. We are all paying for the sins of your fathers and your children will pay for the sins you commit today if you don’t change your ways. So I suggest you continue to enjoy the benefits Nigeria affords you like being able to have a market of 250m people and able to buy and own property in other peoples land. The day you realize the misadventures of your past leaders is what got you here is the day maybe you will realize what you are doing today will be paid for by your children.

Everything else is just noise!

pazienza:
The old usual Yoruba gaslighting!

Awolowo had opportunity to booth the Igbos off the union in 1966 like Malaysia did to Singapore, but he instead used all devilish tricks to keep Igbo in the Union against their wish! Awolowo words of wanting Independent Yoruba nation didn't match his actions when the opportunity presented in 1966-70, so we know who is lying once again.

Igbos are not the once forcing Nigeria unity and going green with bitterness at the mention of Nigeria disintegration, it's the Yoruba and North that are doing that. Why? Because the both groups know or atleast believe that they are better off in Nigeria, which means they are beneficiaries of Nigeria unity.
Ndiigbo on the other hand believe they are better off without Nigeria since 1970.
Actions speaks better than words bro.

Let me explain this thing to you. The SW region is capable of standing on its own and indeed was the fastest developing region in he world when we had federating units. Awolowo has always been in favour of autonomy and has famously said Nigeria is a mere geographical expression. Ofcourse membership of a bigger country has benefits but being part of Nigeria has been but an albatross to the Sw since the unification which by the way was done by Ironsi.


We are not afraid of break up, we do not seek it but if it happens we will be fine, in fact not just be fine, we will explode, in fact we as well as the Ss will be the biggest beneficiaries. However it is the ibos that have checkmated us all in this union called Nigeria and they make the most noise.

Awolowo is not the reason you are stuck in Nigeria, look towards Zik. Awolowo is not the reason we all lost 50% control of our resources, look towards ironsi. Awolowo is not the reason we have states and not independent regions, look towards the reactions necessitated by Ojukwu and his misadventures. Awolowo is not the reason the presidency eludes you, look towards Ifeajina, Ojukwu, Ironsi, Kanu, Ekpa etc.

Look at the theme running through everything I said….you are the architects of your perceived misfortunes. Your biggest problem is you don’t know how to coexist peacefully with others and that’s why you’ve lost trust. Despite that you are still the biggest beneficiaries of Nigeria. Secondly you are always shortsighted politically so you engage in moves ( be it secession clause, 1966 coup, civil war, IPOB insulting northerners, insulting yorubas etc) that backfire on you and leave you worse that you were before. Every time the ibo makes a political move, he sets himself back and then doubles down and makes his situation worse. The ibo man today has less chance of becoming president of Nigeria than he ever did.

All this Biafra talk is all about the presidency, if it were genuinely about leaving Nigeria, you would all be moving home and not buying and building homes in regions you claim you want to leave. We cannot and will not be gaslighted into an ibo presidency on the back of threats of breakup and insults. The more you do the more we withhold our votes. You are the ones trying to gaslight us but we have seen through you and called your bluff….do your worst! Heaven will not fall, no one is voting for a president or a tribe who supports secession and insults every other tribe. I am for one Nigeria, all this talk of break up are just the rankings of a deluded bunch, we are well past that. You are the ones who put us in this position, you will pay the price and suffer for you misdeed just like we have been suffereing the consequences of your misdeeds and misadventures. But that presidency….don’t hold your breath.

Finally let me say this. Every region of Nigeria is self sufficient (the SE will prosper but a significant number of ibos will need to leave their enclave to eek a living) , the people who fear the breakup of Nigeria the most are the north not the yorubas and let me educate you why? [b][/b]After the killing of Sardauna (by the ibos), the North has not really had true leadership. Think about it, Buhari is the closest they have had. The north is not as united as we tend to think and there are many different factions in the North. The fear of the North and why they tolerate your nonsense and don’t allow you to go with your N8B a month VAT is because they fear that the North will be Balkanized. This is the real reason the North tolerates all the noise from the SE. but they have you where they want you, they will not give you the presidency you crave but thanks to your leaders you are stuck. It is your killing of the Sardauna and them not having a natural successor that is haunting you. Nothing to do with yorubas or Awolowo. If you know where we were in 1966 and where we are today, we have paid a severe price for this union. Unlike you we don’t engage in fruitless battles, we make the best of the supituation that is why the SW in spite of everything is the best performing region. It will always be, within Nigeria or on its own. That why you troop here in droves to eek a living.

I have always believed that rather than fear the exit of the SE and consequential balkanisation of the North, the North should allow a referendum and secession, I say call their blufff!, They are making noise and not letting us have peace because they know there is no referendum or possibility of secession. If you give them the option and they realize what they will lose, they will all borrow themselves some brain cells. Like I said the ibos benefit from Nigeria more than any other tribe. Give them the referendum, call their blufff and let us have peace!

Goodmarlian:
I desperately want to be expelled what are you waiting for? And what if the elites want to relocate will you force them to stay besides Lagos will become useless by then,hausas gone,igbos gone,calabars gone,tivs gone who will wants to do business in such an empty place with hungry agberos.

Can you not go home on your own? Do you need to be expelled if that is what you truly want? We have seen through your BS that is why Kanu is in prison and nothing will happen, that is why Ekpa will be imprisoned and nothing will happen, that is why presidency will elude you and nothing will happen.

pazienza:
Lol!
That's not how it works.
First we need to divide the country peacefully so that Igbos in SE will unite with Igbo clans indigenous in SS and NC and peaceful leave your Nigeria for you if you so wish.
It shouldn't be a thing of bitterness or gaslighting, unless ofcourse, you are not saying the truth, which is that you benefit most from the union and is pained by your impending loss should the union end!

Czechs and Slovaks both knew they were better off without the CzechSlovakia country, hence they sat on table and amicably divided into Czech Republic and Slovakia.
The bitterness and hate only comes in when parasitism exists and the true parasites are bitter at the lost of their host.

Think about it!

Abeg go and rest, you have turned yourselves into a laughing stock. Nobody take you seriously.

pazienza:
Exactly.
We are watching what Yoruba man does, not what he says.
Yoruba man resents Igbo!
Yoruba man claims to be generating billions in VAT that he must share with parasitic Igbo.

Yet at the mention of disintegration of Nigeria, an event that will enable the Yoruba man to booth Igbos out of Lagos and enjoy their VATS and IGR alone, the Yoruba man becomes filled with bile, bitterness, evil thoughts, gaslighting deception and other funny behaviours towards the Igbo!
The Yoruba man starts preaching to the same Igbo they resent on why the Igbo must stay united with Yoruba in Nigeria, nah so you love Igbos reach? Who is deceiving who?

I mean, your actions don't match your words. We know who is lying!

This is my last comment to you. We are not the ones holding you back. Sardauna and Awolow insisted on secession clause. Zik was the one who insisted on not including one and he managed to prevail. Even then Zik knew the ibos cannot survive without Nigeria.

If you want to prove you want Biafra, let your actions show that you really want Biafra but to the rest of us, the shouts for Biafra are merely a presidential political negotiation tactic that is designed to fail.

Good night.

pazienza:
Why have Yorubas in Benin republic not developed Cotonou or your development prowess starts and ends in Lagos?

Lagos will not be any different from Cotonou and Lome once Nigeria is disintegrated and Lagos serves only Oduduwa republic!
Lagos is a beneficiary of monopoly of large Nigeria population!

Your elites know this.
Even you yourselves know this which is why you go green with bitterness, evil thoughts and hate filled machinations at the mention of Nigeria disintegration.

If at all you believe your deception that Lagos is better off without Nigeria, you will not be exhibiting the above actions at the mention of Nigeria disintegration.

This matter is not hard. If you don’t need Nigeria, go and earn your living in the SE and let us suffer in the SW for not appreciating you.

Is it hard?

pazienza:
You are talking nonsense.
SE is the most densely populated region in Nigeria.
We have millions of our people back home and doing greatly.
SE top all SSCE statistics for the past decade!
Our home front is strong.
Buses leaving SE to other parts of Nigeria don't return empty, they carry our people there too back to SE!
Chinese people are everywhere, in USA, Europe, even in dead Nigerian villages, you see Chinese there.
The world is an Igbo man play ground, we will explore the world and bring back gains to Igboland.
We are adventurous in nature. That's who we are and the world will always belong to those who dare leave home to explore other climes.

You are doing greatly but you are the lowest VAT generating region in the country?

Abeg yeye Dey smell!

Every day you come you make noise, everyday you say invest in the SE, instead everyday you leave in bus loads.


Watch what a man does not what he says.


You that are posting I am sure you are not in the SE. I am Yoruba, I am in the SW. 90% of all tribes in Nigeria are in their zones only you are all over the place…why?

Goodmarlian:
My brother the day Nigeria breaks up majority of non yorubas will leave the southwest and Lagos as a whole I hope you know this includes business and investors dont forget 90% of Lagos revenue comes from taxes on these businesses think deep southwest if they don't sit up will suffer severe hardship all creative people will survive.

You overate your importance. You think Lagos was not developed before the influx of ibos? You think yorubas were not engaged in spare parts before you came into the SW? What is business you do that cannot be replaced, selling spare parts, fake drugs and second hand clothes?

Don’t also forget any land you own in Nigeria is a 99yr lease and can be revoked at the discretion of the governor.


Let me explain to you how countries function, in a breakup, your elites will remain in Lagos because they add value and they need The SW especially Lagos, the parasites, the dross (people like you) will be expelled.

VaselineCrew:
So if you are sick and someone leads protest to prevent you from getting treatment, I guess you will praise him, based on you guys useless "technicalities"

What exactly is your useless point, like for reals?

All you shameless lot in this country, disgusting.

Didn't this same man bring 2 bullion vans to his house on election eve?

Didn't this same man commit all sorts of attrocities?

What exactly is your point? That we should praise Tinubu for protesting GEJ or what?

Your last sentence shows your low level of intellect if that is what you concluded from
My post.

The sad reality of the miseducated is that by a certain age it is impossible to re-educated the miseducated.

All this talk of going home, why haven’t you gone home already? Why do you flood out cities and towns everyday in droves?
We are calling your bluff. Nobody is talking you seriously and will take you seriously while you talk of breakup or Biafra but every day leave the Biafra to earn a living in other peoples land.

pazienza:
Lol!
Keep lying to yourselves, maybe one day you will start believing your lies.
The greatest beneficiaries of Nigeria are those who get bitter, get full of hate, start gaslighting techniques, get brain discombobulation at the mention of Nigeria break up!
Ndiigbo are scattered all over Africa even in Central Africa Republic, you still find Igbos there.
We know fully well we will adjust and do better without Nigeria which is why we want her gone.
Those who know they wouldn't but want to gaslight others like you are doing are jokers.

Once Nigeria disintegrate, there wouldn't be any difference between Lagos and Cotonou or Lome.
Those your imaginary VATS will vanish as all man will go home to build their own countries.
Your elites know this, I believe even your commoners know that which is why your hearts becomes filled with bitterness at the mention of Nigeria disintegration.

Why are you all outside SE? Do you see any tribe earn a living outside the SE like the Ibos?

Nobody leaves the comfort and familiarity of his home to earn a living elsewhere if home has all you need to survive. People don’t japa to Canada and Europe because they like the cold and snow, they go because they can’t fulfill their potential at home.

Bigkoko:
Hahahaha... That foolishness to feel you can speak for everyone on nairaland! Kunle na so your mumu don reach?

Just tell us you don't know how to read, we will understand. After all, your president finished secondary school before them build the school!

Jokes apart Kunle, I'm not responsible for your foolishness and misery. Face Bourdilion and Aso Rock Biko!

Look at the post. For all the effort you put into it, not a single like or reaction! You know why? You have to go the end of the post to like a post. Nobody got to the end……because it was apparent from the 1st sentence it was the rantings of an eeediot.

Even my comment on your post got 2 likes.

Bigkoko:
Hahahaha... That foolishness to feel you can speak for everyone on nairaland! Kunle na so your mumu don reach?

Just tell us you don't know how to read, we will understand. After all, your president finished secondary school before them build the school!

Jokes apart Kunle, I'm not responsible for your foolishness and misery. Face Bourdilion and Aso Rock Biko!

Look at the post. For all the effort you put into it, not a single like or reaction! You know why? You have to go the end of the post to like a post. Nobody got to the end……because it was apparent from the 1st sentence it was the rantings of an eeediot.