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Wilgrea7:
.. i greet you all

this thread is wonderful

spacetacular:
Why are you hurt that I am who I am out of sheer hard work and grit? Do I intimidate you? All you have been doing lately has been all over what I do.

Do you even realise that before any attempt is made to be a plastic surgeon one has to first be a general surgeon?

UK isn't Nigeria so you need to stick with your place. I worked hard to be who I am and all deliberately done to fit into my field of focus but alas in all it has never been as gratifying as what I am doing now and all for the sake of Jesus and my "mobile intensive prayer unit" team (we are already building a network).

Poke all you want but it wouldn't alter who I am and what I do.

spacetacular:
Your quote below

Training for trauma surgeons is sometimes difficult to obtain. In the United Kingdom, the Royal College of Surgeons of England is responsible for training consultants via the Definitive Surgical Trauma Skills course (DSTS) for Orthopaedics.It remains the only course of its kind in the United Kingdom

At the bold text, I got it and I am glad I did and am one. You said trauma and orthopaedics are together. Can you point out where I said they were not?

Be honest when you read and not just to oppose me. Under General surgery you hold the power to choose your sub. based on your field of focus.

https://www.rcseng.ac.uk/news-and-events/media-centre/media-background-briefings-and-statistics/general-surgery/

The specialty includes military surgeons, who will be trained with a particular focus on trauma and emergency surgery.

lepasharon:
She's too comical What is this crap?

spacetacular:
There are 9 core specialties. Vascular surgery is regarded as a sub specialty

https://www.bma.org.uk/advice/career/studying-medicine/insiders-guide-to-medical-specialties/nhs-career-choices/surgical-specialties

Training for trauma surgeons is sometimes difficult to obtain. In the United Kingdom, the Royal College of Surgeons of England is responsible for training consultants via the Definitive Surgical Trauma Skills course (DSTS) for Orthopaedics.It remains the only course of its kind in the United Kingdom

Deicide:
Can you imagine? I really doubt that dude is a doctor even in Secondary school we learned all those basics stuff so am very suprised

adepeter26:
Catfish.Billy, I sight you with my oil immersion objective.....

What do you have to say

ThePrinceOfLuzz:
You shouldn't have let this slide, bro. She feels at the top of the world. She feels she knows best. She deserves some scathing shellacking that would put her in her place and show her how much she lacks wits. She needs someone to render her unable to recognize the position of the letters in the alphabet on her keyboard. The idea of "higher moral ground" is what gives nitwits like her free reign.

CanadianNurse:
Very funny how Atheists accuse and crucify Christians for the same thing they are guilty of

Objectively Atheism is the opposite of theism...
Darkness is not the opposite of light rather it's the absence of light
DDeath is not the opposite of life but the absence of life
If these two examples I stated up here were to be the status of relationship between Atheism and theism then y'all would have had a good course


Theism believe in God
Atheism believe in no God

Both believe in something!!!

Don't come at me with "atheist have a believe cos they don't believe in God" cos theist too can be like we don't have a believe cos we don't believe in inexistence of God

BBoth are just opposite!!

Creation cannot exist without a creator!!
Who the creator is I don't know but there must be a creator because matter cannot create matter!

adepeter26:
I'm patiently waiting to see how she dodge my raised points.

I know what her next response would be.
Not every part of the Bible should be taken literally

Watchout bro

IamaNigerianGuy:
Thanks for reading. Your compliments are appreciated. Interestingly, the Amberon11 fellow whose comments generated my response is a moslem.

IKC10:
I like that you await my post. Untill then. But you know this, ...nothing ever existed on its own. Only Jesus Christ is the self existent God.

avaa:
Freedom. Education. Exposure.

I think at some point, every atheist before abandoning his/her god would have asked him/herself this questions...

1. Why do I even think there is god?

2. What makes my own version of god more authentic than others'?

3. Are the stories I've been fed from childhood really through? (Now my kid brother has been asking me this particular question for some thine now).

These are just some of the many questions whose answers lead many away from the god idea, some to deism, some to other religions and others to atheism.

Something we can all agree on is that the way religion is played in Nigeria leaves much to be desired, but that is not enough reason, the worse that can lead to is a rise in the number of irreligious theists.

IamaNigerianGuy:
I would not normally respond to such obvious ignorance as you display here, but I view you as a junior medical colleague and it is incumbent upon me to educate you.

The highest certifying body for cardiopulmonary resuscitation in the entire world is the American Heart Association. I happen to be affiliated with them as well as the Resuscitation Council of South Africa. I am also at least a decade senior to you in medical practice but I base this rebuttal on scientific reasoning not appeal to my authority.
In my post you reference, I am not making a personal statement : I am telling you the expert consensus on resuscitation arrived at by a panel of 5000 expert practitioners who form the advisory council of the American Heart Association. Here is their website: https://www.onlineaha.org/

I do not know how far along you are in your studies so I will keep the discussion as simple as possible.

Hypothermia is known to reduce metabolic activity sometimes so much so that vital signs become undetectable without suitable equipment. This knowledge is utilized in cardiac surgery, neurosurgery and in ICU settings (therapeutic hypothermia)
A patient brought in with a history or obvious signs of hypothermia should not be hastily certified as dead. An attempt must be made to raise the core body temperature to physiological range i.e 36.6 to 37.2C. while following ACLS protocols. This is termed 'active rewarming'.
Else you just might bury a living person.
Survival after CPR in hypothermic patient has been recorded after up to 6 hours of coma :
Axelrod YK, Diringer MN (May 2008). "Temperature management in acute neurologic disorders". Neurol. Clin. 26 (2): 585–603, xi. PMID 18514828. doi:10.1016/j.ncl.2008.02.005.
This is the basis for the clinical pearl you scoff at - a person is not dead until he is warm and dead. (I trust that you know what a 'clinical pearl' is.)

Even a simple wikipedia search which - you have failed to do , supports my assertion : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothermia#Prognosis

As a medical student and future doctor, you should hold yourself to a higher standard and be more circumspect in your statements especially as it concerns scientific issues.
I wish you good luck in your endeavors.

ftechclass:
Where are the atheists? They ve returned to their shell.

Its painful smart people aint commenting. I believe CatfishBilly is a doctor as well, what's up? You died down.

spacetacular:
Now you go on about Plasmodium and malaria. You and catfishbilly seem to both share malaria as your specialty especially since both your medical knowledge is only limited to malaria.

All I have been reading all day has been malaria this and malaria that.

You still do not realise that malaria is simply a human pathogenic disease.

felixomor:
Malaria meant "bad air"
because they thought it was "air borne"

Please get your facts right.
Your desperation is at work again.

On the other hand death is as good as a Law among almost all living things.

Comparing malaria that was already known as disease with death is the real laziness.

felixomor:
Not only because of belief of the scientists,
Firstly nobody ascribed Malaria to God
Secondly, there is nothing about malaria that goes against basic physiologic mechanisms unlike Coming back from the dead.
Malaria is pathogen, vector, blood, symptoms, treatment.

So your malaria argument is like comparing apples with aeroplanes.

felixomor:
Not only because of belief of the scientists,
Firstly nobody ascribed Malaria to God
Secondly, there is nothing about malaria that goes against basic physiologic mechanisms unlike Coming back from the dead.
Malaria is pathogen, vector, blood, symptoms, treatment.

So your malaria argument is like comparing apples with aeroplanes.

felixomor:
Your malaria argument usually doesn't make sense because many of the people who worked on malaria, vaccines etc believe in God and his powers.

Besides, once u can explain it, it means it can be reproduced just like treatment and outcome.
Which will never happen.
All living systems in humans are programmed to die after a certain time.
That itself is a mystery.

spacetacular:
So if according to your statement miracles do happen which as you said, "things go against science all the time and that does not make them wrong (which puts miracles smack in the centre of this) ", what then would you ascribe those things to? Coincidence? Stroke of luck? An evolutionary bypass?

spacetacular:
What will you do if science never can explain it and they admit to it and Lazarus syndrome remains a medical mystery till the day you suck in your last breathe? Would you ask those around you to make sure they attempt resuscitation on you just in case autoresuscitation ends up happening to you after death?

Would you declare there is God or claim its just one of those things and move to the next menu on your plate?

felixomor:
The miracle is not really your problem
Oh so its the "God" part that pains you?
I see

felixomor:
Wow
So why do u question miracles?

adepeter26:
Lol, you wanna initiate another drama àbí...

Kwantinue.

felixomor:
Sorry, there is no explanation because u will go against many basic physiologic principles to try to explain it.
Thats why its unexplainable.

Not because there will be explanation in the future.

felixomor:
A syndrome is not an explanation.
Maybe u need to check a dictionary.
The last time I checked, u couldn't explain the pathophysiology which is as good as the reason behind it
You also couldn't tell us your specialty.

spacetacular:
We are not talking about cancer. We are talking about death and autoresuscitation not spontaneous remission and you and I know why you would rather drop dead than agree that your Lazarus syndrome is not tenable in medicine as it is not an empirically verifiable medical position but simply an attempt to give a name to a mystery.

spacetacular:
Why would I not call it by its given name or should I have constructed a non existent name for it? My calling it by name does not show acknowledgement but it shows reference to another position which wasn't mine. Get it?

Lazarus syndrome is a known entity in medicine which is shrouded in mystery so do not make it sound like its a known entity as a fact of medicine which is empirically verifiable. That would be dishonesty.

Why don't you try this. The next time a person dies on your watch and you try resuscitation and it does not work, do not put down time of death but leave him to experience the Lazarus syndrome since all who came back according to you all had resuscitation attempts first carried out on them.

Try this on 100 dead people under your watch then state your observations. Deal?

hopefulLandlord:
aka, "God of the Gaps"