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walls01:
good point still science has limit and people still talk about God even more.
science has limit and they don't acknowledge this about creation. that is why they hurriedly pass the evolution theory as law even though their is no truth about it. science only make sense when it comes to simple question but sound very foolish when it comes to deep questions. imaging saying animals mutate

topelenege:
Well I once asked my father this question.
Here was his his reply:

" If you bring out a Calculator and multiply 3 by 4
It give 12.

3000 by 4000
It give 12,000,000

Now multitply
30000000000000000 by 40000000000000000000000000000000000

What does the calculator say
- it showed 'E' meaning error.

So does it mean a good mathematician can't multiply

30000000000000000 by 40000000000000000000000000000000000 ?
Of course he can but for the calculator it has reached the limit the designer created it for.

Answer: Yes we were created in God's image but there is still a limited of what our brain can logically comprehend.

walls01:
I don't know apply to only logic. from ancient man to modern man men have severally given account of God and the spiritual beings this are known fact. it was only the invent of science that brought the ignorant and I don't know part of man. science want to bend everything based on man laws whereas there are other laws that are not man's. so where science stumble on this they understand not they either say it is a lie (atheist) or I don't know ( unbelievers )

hopefulLandlord:
I have never heard an atheist ask "But who created God" that was not in response to the theist question of "Who created the universe? Everything that exists has to have a creator."
"But who created God" is merely used to point out the special pleading fallacy.

It is the theists who insist that everything needs a creator, but God is exempt.

winner01:
Something exists, our universe. We do not know how it has come to exist. Something seems sure though, that nothing does not produce something. I'm not being absolute on this but I'm just writing based on what we have seen and observed in real life. If there is a theory worth looking at, which proves that something can come from nothing, please submit it here.

You sound so absolute on the issue of time and space. It's the same thing you accuse religious people of. Absolutism.

Now you have also brought space into the picture. Are you saying there must have been a space within which the universe was not created? Space is something you know, not nothing. What makes you so sure that space is also a human construct. You sound so sure too, I'm willing to learn.
And I'm not concluding anything, I'm simply sharing my views on why I think a question is invalid.

You're correct, and it's because I'm human. I've pointed that out earlier. I, like many other people cannot seem to come to terms with the fact that "there was a time in which time never existed". Hell I don't even know the correct grammatical expression to explain a "time in which time never existed".
Just like you my thoughts are within the confines of time and space no matter how wild.
Timelessness is something we've never experienced. It's okay if it makes no sense to us. The Creator did not seem to leave us the ability of grasping the idea of timelessness or even nothing. The human idea of nothing is still something.

We might not be able to say the same for the universe simply because of reasons I've put forth earlier.
1. The universe (something) began to exist

2. In our own capacity so far, we haven't been able to observe or demonstrate that nothing can bring forth something.

3. Something or Someone must have always existed that brought forth the universe that now exists

4. This Something or Someone is most likely independent of the features we have observed in the universe

5. Our thoughts (and opinions on time and space) no matter how wild exists within the confines of what we have observed in the universe

6. If our thoughts exists only within the confines of a created universe, then It might be safe to say that the idea of no time, no space is impossible for a human to entirely grasp since he is within the confines of time and space.

7. The Something or Someone who brought forth or created the universe exists independently of what we know or have ever seen. This Creator exists outside the logic of His creation.

8. Something exists and we know this for sure at least. Something can't come from nothing except we modify our idea of nothing. This is what we know. However you must admit that what we know is within the confines of this created universe.

9. If Something can't come from nothing then we must agree that Something or Someone powerful existed before this universe where we have found ourselves.

10. We can also agree that the origin and existence of this Powerful Something or Someone is beyond our knowledge, since our knowledge cannot run beyond the confines of creation

11. I propose however that this powerful Something or Someone did not leave this area open to us, the fact that we are debating this is enough proof. Hence the question on the origin of such Powerful Something or Someone is invalid.

Jacktheripper:
Established for where?? Allow match finish first

olaifeboy:
This match would have been a little interesting, but the commentary is just totally awkward, the men are very annoying

valx2:
that's Mr onyemachi..lol

Hier:
Loooooool. So at creation, lemme reverse the order you listed them and let's see how you will spin it again Genius


I really find this your response illogical.

Well, felixomor, bennyann, kingebukasblog, mrpresident1, asuustrike2009 come and explain the impossibility in what this guy is saying

He's literally saying, atoms and molecules formed cells, but this site with many views by the ape descendants claim cells cannot survive outside
a body without being cultured, so, naturally, if big bang happened and after some time, without culture a nutrition, it dies, oooooooh, poor big bang is dead and gone to the grave before it became a tissue, or the same thing with the tissue and its chances of surviving, before it became an organ, no culturing, no nutrition, the body parts are not complete yet, MR NIGER D, not fully in place and you mean the survived all those stages.

Even the Holy Spirit is embarrassed by the way you reason. I thought you guys love logic, this is one, deal with it, and don't quote me, moreso, either you go back to church and get saved or DONT BLAME GOD IF YOU WIND UP IN HELL, because of your dumb excuses

www.scienceforums.net/topic/34240-can-a-human-cell-exist-independent-of-the-rest-of-the-body-answere cells

www.nairaland.com/3881592/dont-blame-god-wind-up

valx2:
umuahian?

onyenze123:
I have 8years experience in accounting. I want to be the Fin Sec

0temAtum:
pls I beg u don't join them. Generations to come must not be deceived. Let's help them by defeating the church of dog(Yahweh), especially at this moment when Yahweh is in his spiritual cage.

hahn:
Christianity is the perfect religion for exploiting the gullible

Can't wait till I open my own church and start exploiting these gullible people

dalaman:
Yeah, I strarted going to church with my first daughter. The second was lIle a year when I became an atheist so she's never seen me engage in any religious activity.

Letting your children grow up in Nigeria without religion isn't a good thing in my opinion. It will lead them to different types of trouble especially in school.

If you are living in Europe or America then fine you can do that.

frank317:
My village... Mbaise in imo state

But I stay in ajah Lagos

dalaman:
My children are christians. They will grow up to be very liberal christains. They don't have the kind of indoctrination I had. My wife attends COZA so she takes them with her. But I still teach them some of my ways. I tell them witches and wizards are fictional and not real, I let them know that most of the superstitions they hear around are not real.

Luckily kids today are growing in a very different environment compared to ours, they have access to information we never had. Over time as they get old and reason better I'll tell them about the history of Christianity and how it came to be, how the bible came to be, let them read about other religions and how they came about. Just let them read about religion from a historical point of view and let them know why I am an atheist. I really don't care if they end up as atheist or not. I just want them to understand why I am not a christian and accept my choice the way their mum has accepted it and is very cool with it.

vaxx:
even as an African traditional faithful ,I do find it difficult to cope among my Nigeria friends(students ) here

when ever i try making them see reasons why they need to appreciate African religion. it is usually taken as a metaphor for the opposite of everything considered good about Western religion. Christian and Muslim in particular.



but i found the Hindu and the Buddhist interesting as they are more than willing to learn. I will like to know if any of them are on nairaland

my encounter with atheist are not much?

dalaman:
Nice. Glad to hear that your ways work for you as an open athiest. The only person that knows am an atheist is my wife (but she encourages me not to tell people). My father inlaw is suspecting me maybe that's because he's a closet athiest himself. He doesn't go to church or engage in any religious activity.

That has made my wife to accept my atheism because she grew up with a dad that stopped going to church when she was a teenager. That kind of made her to accept that some people can be irreligious when I came out and told her that I am no longer a believer. I became an atheist after we got married and she is now very cool with it. She always tells me that she'll beg her God to take me to heaven.

frank317:
For me, I don't feel this way... My family, my friends and co workers all know I am an atheist.

I am the kind of guy the takes charge of my environment... Rule my world and have a way of making people listen to me. I also have a way of making people look stupid.

My self esteem is at top notch... I make Religious folks look stupid because I talk better than them all.

My study in psychology made me make myself an authority.

My fiance is a Catholic (trad wedding is on 30th sept by the way, u are invited) and loves listening to me argue, she says she likes the way I present my case despite not in agreement. She thinks am the smartest and nicest guys she has dated.

People still love me as an atheist... Friends and well wisher all want to be at my wedding, knowing I have openly declared war on their belief but I see no difference in the way they relate to me... I receive at least 150k as dash every week since the day I announced my trad date and more is coming that I might not touch my savings.

Am not rich, just an average guy, yet my belief does not affect me in any way.

People have always loved me for being real and outspoken... I am just the kind of guy u can't be an enemy to.. ask analice. This is because u will definitely be on the loosing side.

Ajakayekoke:
Mr If you are rich as You said,Can You help me?i am trying to start a transportation business,i have over 40%,of the capital,still saving up,Can/will you help?You are kuku rich...

hopefulLandlord:
bro, where in this thread did I claim to be "rich?"

are you sure you aren't quoting the wrong person? maybe you're tryna troll me?