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triplechoice:1: Okay I agree it was fake. I saw the concocted image of someone in America back in 1992 in a remote part of the world with absolutely no link to my present life at the time who told me and did things that came to pass. I am a humble student to your school of hide-and-seek Children sometimes dream of cartoon characters, such as spider man, incredible hulk or even Santa Claus, and it doesn't mean they're real. In a dream anything could happen. A statue or something existing in a painting can come alive an start talking to usOkay. Watch your self in the next quote And it's also not uncommon for some people to dream of something they have never seen before, and which they get to experience , days ,weeks or years after in the waking state.After downplaying dreams earlier as "not real" , you somehow lent them some credit here where they actually "become real" this time even in the quote below. I recall I told you or someone else elsehwere that even the cartoon characters are real. The dream world had been sources of fashion, literature, "fiction" and our techs. Some individuals have met with their future wife in a dream before they later get to meet and marry them in the waking state. For others, it could be anything, the job they're currently doing, where they now live , parts of a movie they have never watched ,or a painting they have never seen. I myself have had such dreams countless times in the past.Good. This is good...here, you're saying dreams show us real people who exist even without us meeting them. I can guess our "higher self" or "soul" meet them in some timeline right? Let's keep going. You're doing very very well. Note so far, you said dreams are real, and others that could involve meeting Eck Masters are the exception. The reason people have those kind of dreams, popularly known as precognitive dream, is that one's higher self, the real being, also referred to as soul or the unconscious mind by others, has the capability to perceive things before they happen . Sou or the unconscious mind, can perceive the future in the present moment.Dang! You took the word right out of my mouth! But then this is only true if ECK masters are not involved right? We can see all others like our future wives, jobs, timeline but "ECK Masters"? Sam sam! What the higher self perceive, from its point of view is what the brain then records and play back to us as dream while we sleep. I accept that this explantation doesn't find full scientific support at the moment, and the reason is because scientists are yet to localised the unconscious mind to any part of the visible human brain in order to understand fully how it works in order to rationally explain such dreams.Are you in anyway suggesting the dream world is now real and the brain replays our experience back to us and we call it "just a dream"? That our scientists are yet to find out that their are other worlds with real people who may look funny to us (like cartoons) and we go there in our dreams and our brain due to our background fail to fully present these things? Could what I said earlier that creators of our cartoons are merely relaying what they saw in the so-called 'dream worlds"? Well it's possible if there are no Eck masters there. Even when science is not yet certain of the cause, the fact remains that people have such dreams.Wow. We might say even if people with a beef with eckankar do not think or proven that Eck Masters have existed since before time existed? Unfortunately, this natural occuring phenomenon is what Eckankar is now using to make its members and non members believe such dreams holds huge spiritual significance and proof that the some of the Eck masters which Paul created are real and can appear to people in their dreams. Nothing could be further from the truth.A'a, let me get something here. You're the one who said people get to meet people they will meet in the future in their dreams, say a wife. So if I met a wife in a dream at the age of 6 for instance and later meet her 20 years later, are you saying she was fake too? Let's grant your wish and say Gopal Das a whole abbot of a School in the capital of the astral plane whom diverse others meet in person and via Soul travel or dream was fake. My dad who met Harold and still haven't met him or even knew Harold was real to this day, can you give us some of that wisdom on this please? Does this mean my dad will join Eckankar or something? If he joins, willhis dream be that of a meeting with Harold which he saw before it happened? Note Harold can't travel, my dad can't travel either so they can't meet physically. Shy did he have the dream? Harold is the Living Eck Master. To you she's a neophyte, but might actually be someone with a higher state of consciousness having the ability to perceive other people's thoughts or imaginative invention ( the Eck masters). What she saw where phantom beings and it was why they appeared and disappeared each time the hu was sung. Real people don't appear and disappear.She actually is a neophyte still. She is that big spiritual right? Let's go on. Eckist have been made to believe that the masters would appear reach time they sing hu, and those thought forms was what she experienced while in the midst of those eckist who sang hu in that meeting. After that occasion she never had that kind of experience again , confirming it was what was going on then in that environment that led to that illusory experience.ECKists again believe nothing and prove everything. She was so grand as to be able to see "illusory thought forms", she didn't catch the one that "misled" her to an Eck center to see other "phantoms"...I suppose she would have known these guys are fake or perhaps she needs plenty more people to generate the thoughts so her "eyes" could see them? Yes the masters come to Eck centers, and even work with many others who do not know of the term "eckankar". Just like my dad, the soldier in the earlier story which your avoided and countless other humans and animals. A lie you portrayed was that Eckists generated the masters via their believes for your friend's wife to see. Eckists on the other hand focus to see the light via their pineal gland. Your wife's friend how ever never saw Jesus the epicenter of all church or the Holy Spirit who is ALWAYS invited to church service. Note that you suggested she saw from the psychich realms, so that she never saw Jesus isn't no excuse, she was not looking into the physical as you put it. Not even "holyghost fire". She had never seen these strong thought forms. Infact, she most likely had never seen any thought form in her life only in the case of the ECK masters. Kindly dial her phone on this quickly please. Shamus had nothing to do with Eckankar .He was an Islamic scholar when he was alive. There's no single evidence outside of Eckankar to prove he served has an Eck master or teach anything that has to do with Eckankar .That Shamus served as an Eck master was Paul's own fake version of history he superimposed on a well known figure who lived in the past in order give Eckankar an impressive historical past to make it appealing to those who would like to join the new religion he was trying establish in the 60s .People prefer what has been existing before to what is just starting now. That's the trick and that was why he associated Shamus ànd other prominent individuals who lived before with Eckankar. Other new age religion like Eckankar and some esoteric groups in the past or present have also done the same thing Paul did. So it's a well known method for setting up a new religion or any other similar organisation.Lol, you really have a beef with Eckankar. When Zadok for instance the Eck Master in the times of Jesus was around, I suppose you expected "Eckankar" is what the science is called? The problem of little or half knowledge. You indeed went to Eck centers yet didn't care to learn the basics. I told you earlier Eckankar was a science. You wouldn't have that and insisted it was a religion. I told you why it was registered as "religion" but no, that would 'exonorate' it from the hold of your bias. I need to see the look in your face right now after telling you the famous Pythagoras was an Eck Master also lol. I guess you will throw yet another tantrum. ECK means the 'Light and Sound of God' or whatever name you feel is right for it. In Shamus, they call it "Bani" or the celestial music. "Ankar" means "the way" or "path". This is very basic fact you would have chosen to grasp in your romance with Eckankar. "Eckankar" hence is a science around the ways of contacting and working with this force consciously. The science needs to fall under an umbrella under USA laws and had to be a for-profit or non-profit. It was registered as the former and then later as the later. It was presented in diverse of ways according to the conciousnes of the people relative to their time. As Zoroastrianism, parts of Buddhism, parts of Christianity, parts of Islam etc. The recurrent theme is ALWAYS the Light and the Sound! The masters give it out and withdraw the teaching and science accordingly. If it gets mixed up with cultures and unnecessary rituals and beliefs, someone like a Paul Twichell is given the task to remove these socio-cultural and religious trappings mixed into what's supposed to be a pure non-religious science who then reintroduce it again alif the consciousness of the day is ready for the teaching or science. The gist about the ECK Master Shamus: 'Eckankar' is a set of teaching around the subject of the Holy Spirit which Shamus was known for. Basically Eckankar and Sufism teaches you that this force is seen as light and heard as Sound. Shamus taught about the Light and sound of God. His student Rumi spoke of this force or "sound" in many occasions in his poems also. This is "Eckankar"!!! Even if taught in a church! ECKANKAR simply means "Science of the Holy Spirit" I don't know your beef... An Eck Master means a "Master of the Holy Spirit". As you know, humans can only create a religion of it but it can't be a religion. Physics is a branch of this science. His branch of Islam (Sufism) deals purely with the spiritual or "Ihsan". There are three levels of islam vis: Islam, Iman and Ihsan. Someone who has Islam is a 'Muslim'. Someone who has Iman is 'Muh'min' (Faith, believer). Someone who has Ihsan is a Muhsin. Ihsan means 'spiritual perfection'. You study Ihsan with 'tasawwuf' or "inner transformation". In other words sufism is mysticism under the umbrella of Islam. Note that mysticism like Eckankar is no religion regardless of the religious umbrella. They practice the 'zikr' (repeating of the spiritually charged words) like HU, the 99 names of Allah and do the 'dervish dance' to go into altered states of consciousness or Soul Travel. Shamus not only reached the God-realized state (Eck Mastership) he is also the keeper of a portion of the 'Shariat ki Sugmas' the Holy book of Eckankar. So do hate the organization (Eckankar), but then Eckankar is not an Organization. Paul has to do this for the books as I have told you severaly. 'HolySpiritAnkar' and HolyspiritMasters exist even in Nigeria and other planets. Francis of Assisi still comes physically to Eck Centers and disappears. There is nothing we can do about it. You're being dishonest here and now reacting emotionally . It's a shame that you deliberately left out some of the more important reasons I gave why some people see those phantom Eck masters in the dream or the waking state.I figured you loved your contrarian candy, so... Most christians don't expect or believe they would see Jesus physically, unlike eckist who expects that it's possible to see an eckist master in that way. Morever one's expectations, whether conscious or unconscious, can make one have certain experiences which they may not be able to explain rationally.A'a, even "holyghost fire" they don't see? What of the "blood of Jesus" they cover themselves with. I think that one should be visible even to our aunty that you'll call later to confirm something for us given the context of use and significance. What do you know about what goes on in people's consciousness especially at the unconscious level?Earlier you rubbished what our aunty saw as "phantoms that come and go" now she is "someone with higher consciousness" or "psychic", but who could not distinguish phantoms from real stuff? Do you know what a psychic is? You tried to mislead people earlier that Eckists combined to 'beam off' images of masters they're "fed to believe" and your "psychic" woman here was able to see them. A psychic would see how a charade organizes itself too because it's hard to hide things from that perspective. Any lie to uphold your beef. I think is better to end this at this point because this is not the first time you have tried to miscontrue my words or try to link me with things I never had in mind. Morever it's now my word against that of your spiritual leader ,Harold klemp, whose book on the reality of the Eck masters you have been serialising here. He says Eck masters are real .So with that, why should I expect you to believe or listen to anything I, who you also may have dismissed in your mind as a neophyte, have to say concerning the Eck master of your religion. I'm wasting my time.After I read how you tried hard to downplay my experience and those of others I posted here with the Eck Masters, I saw you will go any length. |
crows2ravens:White is a perfect mix of all colors because all colors are derived from Black and white. Note were talking of the origin of other shades of whites and black which are the so-called blues, pinks et al. If not, how did we get the first and next color to mix from? From which did the other one was derived? An object appears blue because it absorbs other colors in white light, except blue. So also is red or yellow. But objects appearing black absorbs every color in the spectrum. White objects doesn't absorb any of the colors.Talking about the 'how' of how the colors go to seem to the human eyes does not really dispute anything especially my earlier assertion that all colors emanate from black and white does it? Of course for any color to gain precedence, it must 'absorb' other colors, else it's in the 'shadows' and would be only a faint or 'non-existent' hue. Now if you pass white light through a prism, it will divide back into all the color spectrum of the rainbow, including invisible (to humans) infrared (at the beginning) and ultraviolet (at the end)And this up here is your answer! I spoke to someone earlier here about the concept of relativity which summarizes all your explanations. "Who is looking? using what? Why?, From where? What time? how are they?" goes to determines what 'reality' is. Physical objects are even made to 'disappear' relatively (for a human). My point is the human 'Indexing Mechanism' (Sensoria, world-view, conventions and acceptances, location etc) goes to make or mar what we deem a reality and in this case about what or which is actually the base color or what color we are actually looking at in the first place. A dead give away for me is to pass all other colors through the prism if they would give out all colors as white did. |
crows2ravens:I will take it that you're being metaphorical here that Science has a brand else you would be reminding me of an old dilusion where some religious group claim "every where man lived, God creates a river for them close by" when infact man actually settles by water sources. Spirituality, simply put, is extreme science. Ifa divinity is mathematical (16x16 matrix), Sango's staff looks somewhat similar to modern lightning catchers.The science of Sango's staff didn't start with Sango nor Moses. Scientists have replicated these staffs if you care to check the internet and cough out the money. We're not even talking of lightning catchers here. In the line of this subject; recently, you must have heard the Turkish chief saying earthquakes can be created using man-made tech...? I believe that used to be the prerogative of the gods. There's an energy field around every matter in Quantum Physics, Mystics call it aura. There's a combination of notes we call "devil's interval" in music. Truth is, science has not been able to provide acceptable explanations to all these concepts.Science had provided answers. Perhaps you haven't laid hands on them yet. Science call Aura 'Meissner and anti-meissner fields'. Some answers Einstein found were simply dumped because other scientists didn't understand them and they directly contradict the known laws of physics.If you grasp the concept of relativity, both Einstein and the contradicting scientists where neither wrong no right. The Sun is both morning, day and night depending on who is looking and from where. Either you stick to the science, and discuss it as pure science (with no strong answers). But if you bring God into the matter, you have to deal with those who have some experience "relating" to God.The whole of Science is built around the subject of ('sciencing') God. Science merely said it had to verify first... Scientist become sober when they use technology to do OBEs. A certain Knowing when they're out there makes them bow the knees. And you started this thread too, inviting people to Eck service: https://www.nairaland.com/7653775/eck-light-sound-service-liveI do that every weekend. I am not sure what you mean by me denying anything. Coincidentally, I've been to those services before on invitation. I've been to those of others too. So, nothing spoil. Everyone has a good reason to believe what they believe.Good for everyone 👍 |
The Original or Source Sound There is the primal Sound from which all Sounds are made as all colors are made from black and white. |
There are naturally-occurring sounds around us that if we mimick, they will present us the miracles we seek and you're not being kidded here! |
On how to utilize more of the Light and Sound in our daily lives... Fortunately someone here shared a scientific document released by the CIA on how Sound can be used to open one's awareness to the billions of possibilities that man is yet unaware of around him or those he can't be taught in his church or mosque. The program utilizes a scientific finding in sound by a group known as the "Monroe Institute " They sell certain Sound frequencies they call "Hemisync". I used to play some free on SoundCloud. The idea is that if certain parts of your brain work in unison, you may invent the next tech so to speak. |
oteneaaron:At least you can see why instead of lambasting the devil and God with "prayer points", some people will rather repeat certain Sounds over a long period of time for the effect while focusing on the mid brain (pineal gland). I have tried the Monroe Institute's "Hemisync" program...not bad at all and is cool as a head-starter for the naturally occurring Sounds around us all we can mimick for better effect. I use one that's completely free and more effective. You know it ![]() The simple things of life are indeed free ![]() In another research, Scientists have demonstrated that one can materialize their thoughts instantly. No long story, no drama and "enemies die". Science now prays and answer the prayer by themselves ![]() You will wonder why King Solomon says "in all things, get understanding ". |
Still on ways on opening one's consciousness to this ever-present light and sound: One needs to be in a relaxed and easy manner. "Easy does it" is a popular saying. Anger, fear and all negative emotions shuts the consciousness. People today feel people who love or express love are "simps". Well, it pays to be detached and only give people what they can accept. Being of a loving heart not just harmonizes our cells, it also keeps us from attracting problems or remaining too long in them. |
oteneaaron:Thanks for sharing. The 'Gateway Process' was Science's discovery of very ancient reality mystics have long known. Harmonizing both sides of the brain simply brings one into a state of 'at-one-ment' as a certain scientist puts it. At this point, the sky they say is the limit if at all limits are a thing. Being 'in the zone' doesn't even require one to be in OBE state to do all sort of super-human feats like walking on coal or through fire. |
crows2ravens:Which grail and which eck? Look at the document posted by someone here released by the CIA's research branch. Did they get it from "grail message or eck"? We're talking of advanced science and your own issue is the brand. |
It is pertinent to mention that some of these prayers sessions where one is in a tense fighting or war mood is actually counter productive. Your cells are actively listening. Likewise the Ether. As you go into war and anger mood when praying, you are stimulating the Ether to generate this anger and unhappy mood you feel. What you send out is what you get back and ignorance is actually no excuse. This is why most 'prayer warriors' tend to attract more problems or sadness. This is why one man said you have to forgive before you say "pim" in prayer, that do not let the sun set with your anger. In other words, be at rest and at peace... The Harmony state is peaceful and calm. |
chieveboy:Since we can see that intelligence is merely when this ether passes through the consciousness of brilliant people, or a healthy cell is simply one that is vibrating in tune to the default or original frequency of that cell. Opening One's Self to the Light and Sound All prayer then is an effort of trying to open one's awareness or consciousnesses so that this light and sound would repair or take care of a condition. It is the vibrating one's self or sick cell back to default state or to a state of Harmony. |
Continuing soon... |
oteneaaron:Mind blowing indeed. Sadly most of our discoveries in that direction is either coveted as 'best kept secret' or engineered for war and money. It will interest you to know that man had recently made a lot of headway in the aspect of the 'unseen' and what used to be "theories". Still, nothing is new under the sun. I wonder what Elon Musk found to make this tweet.
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Or we can also ask why of all prayer to pray, a certain people ask you to go keep repeating certain sounds to deal with whatever condition you are going through? |
I earlier asked rhetorically how we can use Sound to create a Mango tree. Perhaps we should ask is there a Sound 'A', 'B' or 'AB' that if played could cause the Ether to manifest a Mango tree relative to the background of the viewer? |
By now, we must have been seeing the connection of Light and Sound with the simple condition of being broke or sick. |
Light Some Scientists love to argue against the idea of the existence of a particle called 'photons' which is said to be responsible for what we call "light". They argue that you can't trap any particle in a suitable container and say "these are a photons". That the so-called "photons" are nothing more than what you get when you make an 'A', 'B' or 'AB' action inside this vacuum or membrane of Ether we all swim in and then light, matter or anything else comes to manifestation or is 'produced'. I will not dwell on the mainstream idea of "photons" ( light dust). |
Have you heard about this before: 1: "frequency of vibration" 2: "Resonant Frequency" How would you create lets say a Mango tree using Sound if you were God? |
Important things we can take from the video: 1: Sound notes changes the physical arrangement of Matter (Ether) 2: Different sound for different forms. 3: Sound A plus Sound B creates sound AB (quick maths ) |
From the video, you can see that "ordinary music" is not "ordinary" after all. If you're on Nairaland and had checked the religion section, you must have seen threads suggesting that some civilizations might have existed that used advanced technology than what we have today, or that people from another planets where here... Well, for every rumour!... Sound is today used as medicine in some hospitals. Ultrasound Vibroacoustic Sound Therapy (VST) are a few of such. We would one day be able to use it to grow limbs, power our electronics and vehicles and so many things we will call "miracles". |
The Marriage of Science and Religion For the next stage of this thread, you may need to watch this video. It demonstrates albeit crudely the logic of how the creator or manifestation of shapes and forms occurs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFAcYruShow |
When one is in contact with this light and sound, it tends to make the experiencer more like itself which is light. Kindly take time to contemplate the above. Remember the Light and Sound is what is responsible for anything amazing we have out there. |
orisa37:Thanks for that insight bro. |
There is a Place where this Light and Sound is stored. It reaches us from there after breaking itself down into forms and stages that are healthy and conducive for us. |
Most of us have heard the saying that "the pursuit of happiness is the pursuit of love or God". That's because the Light and Sound (of God) is responsible for the condition we call 'Love' or better yet, LOVE is what creates the Light and Sound. Even without being told, we know the more love is put into something, the more sweet, good, successful and worthwhile that thin is. |
Sound and Light of God are the appearance of God’s love in your daily life in a very real wayOther ways this Sound and Light manifests in people's lives is as : -The love between a girlfriend and a boyfriend -Between spouses -A pets love -Yokes being broken -What people call "divine intervention" So on and so forth |
We also see that no one then is left without this all-permeating force. Some scientists call it the 'Ether'. In other words, Ether is what science call the 'Holy Spirit'. What then is the big deal about this? |
So we can see that infact the so-called "Holy Spirit" is actually everything. It is responsible for the palpitation of matter. When it passes through the membrane of our minds, it passes on intelligence. It is the building block of matter right before our scientists caught a glimpse of it from the material plane as the 'Atoms' or 'Quarks' for those scientists who have gone beyond the atomic level. |
When one sees this unusual flashes or steady display of light in their waking states or when they are asleep or closed their eyes, they are experiencing what people call the "Holy Spirit" in its much purer 'dilution'. The colors also reflect the level or stage one is experiencing the Holy Spirit. It changes color and hue after it passes the membrane of a plane of manifestation. When it gets stepped down to certain degrees, it becomes stuffs like Electricity, Insight, Tip, inner nudges, a sweet feeling, atoms, Matter and any material thing we can see, touch or feel. |
The big deal is that, this Light and Sound is what all of you/us is actually looking for. Nairaland and the world is filled with people looking for one help or the other. Hospitals, churches, religions, organizations, governments, beliefs, rituals, disbeliefs, programs, technologies and so on are created or exists just to make this Ether work for us in one way or the other or to put it to work using crude and expert methods The Sound and Light is actually the 'Holy Grail'! The 'Philosopher's Stone' or the real 'Magic Wand' so to speak. All problems and solutions deal with this 'thing'. |
Much as I mentioned "God" (which turns off some people) this is not yet another religious or sermonizing thread. If anything, it's where religion and science meet. The truth is that the best of science morphs into mysticism or 'religion' at some point. So replace the following words with the suggested if it suits your state of consciousness: God-Source Love-Unity Holy Spirit-Ether Miracle-Technology I will update as I continue ![]() |
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