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Wanting to Meet Paul Twitchell


The woman wanted to meet Paul Twitchell in person. So that weekend she and her husband and two children went to Cincinnati.

When they got to the hotel where the ECK seminar was to be, there was a sign that said Paul Twitchell would not be speaking at the seminar. She asked someone why not. They said, "Because he died."

Cont'd

triplechoice:
It seems you derive pleasure in putting the blame of what you don't understand very well on others. You don't really know what quantum physics says about 'fiction' ,and of course , I can see you placed it in quotes.

Instead of excusing my perception of fiction, you should make clear where you're coming from.

I very much understand what quantum physics says about this. Kindly confirm if you're from that background and let's have a technical discurse on that in another thread.

There's fiction, if not, we won't be able to differentiate between what is real and not real.

You're excused once again

And, it's not even true or correct to say that 'any wild fantasy and imagination' one can muster is 'real' because it's impossible to imagine 'anything outside existence or creation.

An imagined image of a human being or anything in one's head is not the same as that of a being existing outside somewhere in material form.[quote]Same here

[quote]You don't seem to know this difference, and it may be the reason you believe those masters are real, without any outer confirmation they exist or have existed in the past materially.

The brief on Rebazar didn't say the Hindu kush mountains is a dream I am sure...

Again, a question of how you chose to perceive. With all this, what guarantees do we have if you meet someone who met him? What guarantees do we have should you too meet him?

One would need to confirm first that they exist in material form somewhere before one can take serious any vision of seeing them, if not one is misled.

Kindly refer to the answer above please.

According to you, your father saw a vision or dreamt of Harold klemp years back before he later got to know that he, Harold, actually exist in a material form in the US, and he's also the spiritual head of Eckankar.

Again, you understood what I wrote wrong. Read again. I stated he might have drawn Harold Klemp, only I knew who he drew after joining Eckankar. Till today, he might only be meeting "this white man" as he called it in his dreams. States in the line of "He won't touch Eckankar with a long stick".
Clearly you need to understand first...

For the Eck masters, apart from seeing them in a dream or vision, have you or anyone else met with them, (especially the over 500 year old Tarz ), physically to confirm they actually exist añd not just your mind playing tricks on you?

Yes. Millions infact. Muslims, Christians, Pagans l, animals etc have.

In other words have you been able to confirm if Rebazar Tarz actually exist in material form in Tibet or elsewhere he might currently be residing?

Again "What guarantees do we have..."

'The Tiger's Fang', 'In the Company of ECK Masters', 'Dialogues with the Master's are books of people's encounters with these guys.

The human mind is capable of creating anything we strongly believe in and make us experience it as real. This is what I know and have confirmed for myself.

I can see a classic example here. At least you're edging closer to understanding and redefining what "real" and reality is.

Both of these ECK Masters are Vairagi Adepts, people whose only mission is to help others. The ECK Masters work not only on earth but in other worlds to help people find out about the Light and Sound of God. Their only mission, their only purpose, is to help people make their own way home to God.

So the two Masters had a good laugh. When the woman woke up, she said, "I'm going to get more information about Eckankar and Paul Twitchell." She did, and she found there was going to be a seminar in Cincinnati in September 1971.

Cont'd

When she threw the Eckankar information away, she was actually throwing out Paul Twitchell too; she didn't want anything to do with any of it. But she had come to trust this holy man in her dreams, and shortly after that she had another dream with Rebazar Tarzs.

Rebazar Tarzs brought a friend along, and it happened to be Paul Twitchell.

"He's OK?" she asked Rebazar, pointing to Paul. Paul Twitchell and Rebazar Tarzs started laughing and laughing. They thought this was the most hilarious thing they'd ever heard.

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Maynman:
How then did you come up with “supreme deity” if IT has no name.
Do you know what “deity” means, why do you think this IT is one talkless of a supreme deity?
Why do you think IT can battle, does IT have hands?

There is a thing known as 'Parts of Soeech'.

Kindly refresh on those. It will help you understand words better and then this question you asked will probably change.

Maynman:
Supreme deity? You mean deus?

Your masters didn’t teach you the origin of the word “god”?

IT has no name please.

As the woman read this book, she started having inner experiences in the dream state. At first she didn't connect them with Paul Twitchell at all.

In her dreams, she began to meet a holy man named Rebazar Tarzs. He was always dressed in a maroon robe. He would show her things that related to her daily life and things that helped her spiritually. Soon after, she found out about the Eckankar organization and that it was connected with Paul Twitchell.

So she thought, OK, I'll send for some information. But when she got it in the mail and looked at it, she said, "This is just another one of those organizations that's out to rip off people." She threw the brochures away.

Cont'd

When she got home, she began to read The Tiger's Fang. It's an account of a spiritual journey that Paul Twitchell took at one time. In the book he describes the different levels of heaven. Knowing about these levels is important because in the dream state people visit them.

St. Paul said that he knew a man who was caught up even unto the third heaven. Christianity speaks of heaven and earth as if there were only one heaven. Yet St. Paul was speaking of the third heaven, which at least suggests heavens one and two. That knowledge has been lost in Christianity; they have no idea what he was speaking of, at least from my past experience as a Lutheran.

Cont'd

Encounter with ECK Masters
By Sri Harold Klemp


In the late 1960s a woman in Ohio was getting ready to make dinner for her family when she found she was out of bread. So she went down to the food store to buy some.

While she was there, she saw a book on a rack. It was The Tiger's Fang by Paul Twitchell. She bought it and the loaf of bread.

Cont'd.

Maynman:
Which of the gods? Yahweh?

None of those.

Eckankar teaches you that all those you mentioned are merely school masters of the worlds of creation.

The idea that an entity can battle or go against the Supreme deity is indeed laughable and if you know, you will understand that it is borne from a lot of ignorance.

Towart Managi (TOH-wahrt mah-NAH-gee). The ECK Master in charge of the Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad in the Temple of Golden Wisdom in the city of Mer Kailash on the Mental Plane; as guardian his title is the Koji Chanda.

He was the Mahanta, the Living ECK Master in Abyssinia, an ancient kingdom in what is now Ethiopia.

Yaubl Sacabi (YEEOW-buhl sah-KAH-bee). The ECK Master among the Mycenaeans (invaders of Greece between 2000–1700 BC); he was the leading figure among the Greek mystery cults and is now the guardian of the Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad, the sacred book of ECK, in the spiritual city of Agam Des, the home of the Eshwar-Khanewale, the God-eaters.

He served as the Mahanta, the Living ECK Master.

More about Yaubl Sacabi:
https://www.eckankar.org/explore/spiritual-teachers/

My job is simply to make you aware that there is such a thing as the Light and Sound of God and then help you become aware of your own divinity.


—Harold Klemp
The Awakened Heart

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How about we just find the guy. I feel compassion for him.

[quote author=post=122361067]Talk is cheap, prove it.[/quote]BetterChurch

Don't bother with this one. It's a troll.

triplechoice:
No. Eckankar is not science just like physics and mathematics. Eckankar is a religion founded by Paul Twitchell. That's what we know, and I don't think you can prove that the religion is the same like the natural sciences.


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That's what we're saying...

For instance, we have a Paul Twitchell who is said to found the organization or religion in 1965 while the post is hinting at an existence long before with one said to be over 500yrs living in the Hindu Kush mountains.

Shamus for instance (the one with the hat) is a popular figure in Iran (Persia). Rumi one of his student is much more popular down to the west. Rumi is a follower of ECK.

Shamus was teacher of Rebazar Tarz who you singled out (if my memory served me right). Heck he even has a Wikipedia page. I suppose you would challenge wikipedia for his Instagram handle too for photographer image? He too is much around!


He taught Eckankar as an islamic sage. Again maybe you'll want to ask what then is this Eckankar? Because thousands of Muslims in Iran, Nigeria and many other countries study it too.

It was registered as a 'religion' for the books. In the USA it is either an NGO, or for profit. Paul's job was to reintroduce it to the world once again after the teachings going underground due to persecution.

Even without me saying, we're saying you're not connecting the dots.

Link to Rebazar's teacher Shams

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shams_Tabrizi

triplechoice:
You ignored ' in your religious books' in my reply

And I mentioned "In our religions books kwa", did you get that part?

A fictional character is not 'there' and so where would the fear come from?

I would excuse your perception of fiction.

This is because even ordinary quantum physics tells you, no such thing as "fiction".

Any wild fantasy and imagination you can muster is 'real'. All of it. You cannot imagine anything outside 'existence' or 'creation'.

This is another story for another time.

triplechoice:
As for meeting him, why do you want me to meet with a person that you have been unable to prove actually exist ?

How can people meet him[b] if actually he is a real and not just a fictional character in your religious books[/b]

I think you answered your own question. In the bolded. "To find out" is your answer.

Are you scared of meeting a fictional person? Well they are very jovial and easy-going folks.

triplechoice:
And why the obfuscation if the person you're talking about is real?

A metaphor is a direct comparison that shouldn't be too obscure for people to understand easily.

You're probably speaking in parables here but I don't see the point in the context of the ongoing conversation.

As for meeting him, why do you want me to meet with a person that you have been unable to prove actually exist ?

How can people meet him if actually he is a real and not just a fictional character in your religious books

The problem is you didn't quite digest the gist, if you had, you will understand that these masters are not in the business of popularity contest or validation not to talk of posting their pictures to the world to say "see o, na me be dis".


Metaphor or drift which seems to still elude you is in the idea of an Eckmaster having an Instagram account. So as to post videos of his/her miracles for people to believe them.

Religious book kwa. Eckankar remains a science just as physics and mathematics. It exists whether an organization exist around the subject or not. This includes books.

People's awareness of them isn't even a concern, so long as this allows them do their job. Someone living in such remote location seeks validation to you?

An accomplished author by the name Phil Morimitsu has a comprehensive account of his experience with the ECK masters.

The name of the book is " IN THE company Of Eck Masters"

https://amzn.to/40P7SYt

triplechoice:
What then is the difference between a camera man and an artist capturing the image of the same person?

You think he won't pose for a camera because he's not a celebrity or looking for recognition yet this same person has allowed his image to be put down on canvas by an artist to serve the same purpose.


Posiing for a camera is not what makes people celebrity ,but what they have achieved or done .

And, how do you request to see him in person when he won't allow his authentic image to be captured by anyone?

Certain things are not adding up here

On not being a celebrity, perhaps you will understand more about metaphors later.

Besides, what stops you from meeting him? I told you he is very much around. This way, you won't need any artist impressions or a nairaland post that is likely fake or fabricated

yet this same person has allowed his image to be put down on canvas by an artist to serve the same purpose.

You must have read where I wrote my experience at the age of 6 or 7 here I met a different ECK master who is not even bases here on the physical world like Rebazar. If I could, I could have drawn him. The mental image of that dream remains even today. I am not born in the late 80s by the way.

My dad met with the current spiritual leader of Eckankar in his dream back in the 80s and has a drawing of him.

I am not sure if my dad knows much about Eckankar even today. He is a Christian.

Paul Twitchell

Twitchell, Paul. Mahanta, Living ECK-Master from 1965 until his departure from the physical world in 1971; he brought the modern teachings of Eckankar to the people of the world through many books, lectures and writings; as the spiritual leader of Eckankar, he brought new life and hope to thousands. (Also known as Paulji or Peddar Zaskq).

A Cosmic Sea of ​​Words: The ECKANKAR Lexicon
by Harold Klemp

Kata Daki (KAH-tah DAH-kee). An ECK Master in the Ancient Order of the Vairagi Adepts. . . . Although her true age is beyond belief, she appears to be in her midtwenties to early thirties.

She is five and a half feet tall. Her light brown (honey blond) hair often falls to her shoulders, but she changes hairstyles to fit her duties.

Like all the ECK Masters, she serves Sugmad (God) by helping others find the Mahanta, the Living ECK Master.

Her pet project is to help people get back on their feet during hardship.
More about Kata Daki:
https://www.eckankar.org/explore/spiritual-teachers/

Fubbi Quantz (FOO-bee KWAHNTS). The Mahanta, the Living ECK Master during the time of Buddha, about 500 BC. He completed his mission, then immortalized his body, and is now the guardian of the Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad at the Katsupari Monastery in northern Tibet.

A teacher of Firdusi, the Persian poet, he was also the spiritual guide for Columbus and encouraged his voyage to the Americas in order to revitalize the depleted nutrition of the Europeans.
More about Fubbi Quantz:
https://www.eckankar.org/explore/spiritual-teachers/

I have a thread about this one. The venerable Fubbi Quantz! Meeting him, you are quick to bow down and worship because you think you've met God, and he lets you know it is grossly wrong to do so.

He lets you know whatever you see is what you are capable and going to become some time.

Someone described him in the Book of Revelations incorporated into the Christian Bible as "one like the son of man"

triplechoice:
Oh!
This doesn't help.

Anyone can also make similar claim that you have made, and when asked for proof , reply with the excuse of a 'time travel machine perhaps'

Your claim about Tarzs teaching Mozart still remain very doubtful.

Doubt is good. It's the first stage of verification. I had told you that you can meet him of you wish.

We in Eckankar do not do blind beliefs. We verify. This is how all religious claims and whatnots should be verified too.

Man is created to naturally be capable of expanding his awareness beyond time and space. This is not like a blurry dream that you struggle to remember. Its much more clearer than when you take the best nootropic out there, and much clearer than you best sober moment.

Sri Harold Klemp

was born in Wisconsin and grew up on a small farm. He attended a two-room rural school before attending a religious boarding high school in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.


After college in Milwaukee, Fort Wayne, he was drafted into the US Air Force. There he received training as a language specialist at Indiana University and radio operator training at Goodfello AFB, Texas. This was followed by a two-year stint in Japan, where he met Eckankar for the first time .

In October 1981, he became the spiritual leader of the Eckankar, Light and Voice of God religion. His full title is Sri Harold Klemp, the Mahanta, the Living ECK-Master. As Living ECK-Master, Harold Klemp is responsible for the continuous development of the Eckankar teachings.

His mission is to help people find their way back to God in this life. Harold Klemp travels to North America, Europe and Pacific Ocean for ECK seminars. He also visited Africa and many countries around the world where he met spiritual seekers and gave inspirational talks. Many videotapes and audiotapes of his speeches are available.

In his speeches and writings, Harold Klemp's sense of humor and practical approach to spirituality have already helped many people around the world find truth in their lives and greater inner freedom, wisdom and love.

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