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I ran to my desk to get a pen and paper and started writing down the dream that was now coming to me.

I guess it must have looked a little comical, me sitting at my desk writing furiously, while the shower water was furiously running, unattended, in the bathroom.

But I didn't care, the details of where I had spent the night were coming out just as furiously as the water from the shower. As I wrote, it occurred to me that just as I had used the morning shower to awaken me, now as I wrote my dreams on paper, it felt like I was waking up.

The end


* Wah Z is the spiritual name of Sri Harold Klemp.


"Awakening," excerpted from In the Company of ECK Masters, copyright © 1987 Phil Morimitsu. Published by ECKANKAR. All rights reserved.

"What was I dreaming about?" I said, scratching my head and yawning.

I had the feeling that something really deep and helpful had happened while I was asleep, but I couldn't remember anything.

I started to head for the bathroom to begin my morning ablutions, when I remembered seeing Wah Z in my dreams. He had said something about "see you on the other side."

I wondered, what did he mean by that? Then it hit me as I was turning on the shower. A single word came to me: Askleposis.

Cont'd.

I turned to Wah Z with beseeching eyes. "What's going on?" I said helplessly.

Wah Z just looked at me with that calm smiling countenance, as if nothing in the world was wrong or different. All he said, was, "See you on the other side!"

Then the whole world folded in on itself.
* * *
My eyes popped open. The shrill screeching was the alarm clock going off, waking me up for the morning's work.

I found myself in bed, panting, trying to figure out who, where, and what I was. A second later, I rolled out of bed and pushed the button of the alarm clock to silence the insanity it was bringing.

I sat down on the corner of my bed in a disheveled state of not-quite-in-the-body-yet.

Cont'd.

He and Wah Z shook hands once more, and we left the temple. Once outside the massive doors, I could hear the children playing in the gardens surrounding the great temple.

Their little voices laughed and shouted louder and louder, until they seemed to condense into one high, feverish pitch. What was once a pleasant garden of tranquility was rapidly becoming an air-raid siren, screeching and causing a panic.

The whole city seemed to collapse into nightmarish destruction like a cardboard dollhouse full of pretty colors getting stepped on, to be tossed into a trash can.

Cont'd.

Periodically look over the dream journal, perhaps once a month, to see any patterns that may be forming. And look for the correlations of your dreams to your daily life situations.

When you have conflicts, look to your dreams, for they will always reveal the causes of your problems, if you know how to decode the censor's message."

As Gopal Das was finishing his last sentence, I noticed we were rounding the last corner of the temple and coming to the place where we had started.

"Well! I guess this concludes our tour of Askleposis!" he said, stopping at the spot where we first met and shook hands. "Feel free to come for another visit," he said cordially.

Cont'd.

"Now here are some ways for you to develop these skills: Upon arising from sleep, write down the impressions and remembrances of your dreams.

Write down the feelings you have, for feelings don't lie, and later on they may reveal the memory of a dream forgotten.

As you write these dreams down, write any thoughts that come to you as to why you may have dreamed it. Look for the truth. Become the little boy who isn't swayed by the illusion—call out the truth, even if it may surprise or be slightly unpleasant.

It's less unpleasant to face an ugly truth and deal with it honestly, than to live with it and let it build power into the illusion to loom over you because you're afraid to face it.

Cont'd

It would be like the emperor and the crowd forever believing that the emperor was indeed wearing fine clothing, but at the same time, all would be going about their business with an uncomfortable, unresolved feeling that something was not quite right.

This is because they had not decoded the message that the censor had scrambled. You'll notice in the story, when the little boy called out the truth, the illusion was snapped, and everyone 'woke up' to the truth. It's the same in life.

Once you can consciously wake up and see the illusions presented to you in your dreams, this same ability will become stronger in your waking state. You'll be able to see the illusions others try to throw at you.

Cont'd

Gopal Das continued, chuckling to himself about the story. "The correlation of this little tale and the dream state, is this: The truth was that the emperor was walking about in his underwear.

The censor was represented by the illusion of the fine suit. The little boy and his candid remarks represent the waking state's decoding of the censor's scramblings of truth.

The fact is, though, that many don't ever achieve the ability to decode these dream messages in their waking state, so the message of truth is lost to the dreamer.

Cont'd

They had been told that he would be wearing the finest suit of clothing, but no one wanted to think or say that he wasn't wearing anything, so they fell into the illusion that they were also seeing the emperor in a fine suit of clothing and applauded him as he went by.

This went on for a while, until a little boy in the crowd who came from a village far away caught a glimpse of the emperor in his underwear.

The little boy hadn't heard that the emperor was supposed to be wearing the finest suit of clothing ever made and saw the situation for what it was. He called aloud, 'Look! The emperor is parading about in his underwear!'

"At that, the emperor, realizing that he'd been had by the two con men, felt embarrassment; and the crowd, upon seeing the emperor becoming aware of his situation, broke into jeering laughter. The illusion had been broken by the little boy who spoke the truth."

Cont'd.

triplechoice:
My question is, what do you know about the methods they're employing?

You're taking it too far, what objective call confirmation had their methods and tools delivered so far? What qualifies as "confirmation"? 2D images and and some texts? I don't think so

Scientists don't always see directly the things they're dealing with, but through the use of certain methods they're able to confirm if a particular element, not visible to the naked eye or instrumentation, is present somewhere. True or false?

True, and all we would and accept as fact or "proven" would then be mostly some aftereffects of 'reality' and facts that we take home as reality.

It becomes more unrealizable especially how results rely 100% on the hypothesis or theory inspiring the manufacture of the scientific tools and methodologies. You will see why I said this:

Natural science as far as it relies on physical tools, theories and hypothesis is a science of the aftermath of reality in it's most nearest meta-physical (not the stereo "metaphysical" ) definition, this is premised on the fact that the building blocks of what earthlings term reality are entirely non-local to our space-time domain. Basically, we're saying all we deal with here are aftermaths of 'finer' if not, 'true' realities.

This introduces the premise of half-truths or half knowledge which in most cases is an outright lie. Take the example of seeing a half moon and reporting it (A moon) as a crescent, and then all scientists in that domain build machines and methodologies that deals with crescents--disaster or a lie at best.

AWARE11 researchers haven't gotten to the stage where they can see images( don't think that would ever be possible) in people's head.

It's possible to see images my friend, and it had been done elsewhere already. I am not disposed to state where and by whom and pleeeease, move on and don't dwell on this. Didn't we all say that there is more than meets the eye?

Meanwhile, that the 'aware' guys didn't see images, sights and sounds means there are in the premise of half truths and outright lies. An OBE is not an MRI scan image neither is it whatever any 2D electronic data scientists chose to accept as a confirmation for an OBE. And OBE is an OBE, anything short of SEEing, BEing and KNOWing is a spectating of effects, and yes, Scientists in this same world we dwell do this (seeing, being and knowing).

That we should go with AWARE2's report for confirmation of NDE or OBE is an invitation to accept a very misleading information. We would only be romancing a mirage brought about by the 'granduer' of saying "we're scientifically proving NDE" and the drama surrounding the venture. We humans do that, for instance, we sold our kidneys for iPhone 4s.

They research is still at its elementary stage so nothing is completely confirmed yet.

At the moment,they're only concentrating on the veridical aspect of NDE in order to verify if the experience is hallucinatory or not. I admit they have some limitations, but it's not as you think.

So far, they have only succeeded in confirming just one case .Its not an easy task when you consider the nature of the experience.

This sounds like there isn't much to go home with is there? No harm in trying though, they should keep trying.

If you don't know what's veridical perception during NDE, you won't understand what I'm talking about.

It took me 1 minute to probe and grasp this.

I am not sure how this makes sense by the end of the day given the basic meaning of the term. Scientists are saying a 'Veridical perception' is when someone is seeing a plate of Akpu and describing the Akpu they all know.

Question is when one is having an OBE, supposing they hear sounds humans do not hear? Does this pass as veridical? It's simple, the dogs hear the dog whistle but we humans do not. When a human now hears this during an OBE, are we saying hearing sounds at ultrasound level is hallucinatory?

This question is if we do not extend it to seeing Buildings, people, etc during NDEs and OBEs that do not look anything like our conventions.

It's not possible to have veridical perception without an OBE.

I want to guess the root word in "Veridical" is "Very" because veridical basically means 'truth' according to the internet.

You statement here negates the meaning of a veridical perception. If you leave me, the term means imagining or "seeing" things that we have on earth and nothing more. Perception is not only via OBE. We perceive the smell of food daily and it's veridical. If we perceive food however and no obvious or hidden food around, we're hallucinating?That's the meaning of the term and it's application.

However, skeptics have argued that it's not even possible to have an OBE in the first place. So whom do we believe?

The skepticism arises from the issue about natural sciences I have told you earlier--that of studying and experimenting after-effects of reality. The drugs, the microscopes, the machines, etc are all inspired by second-class information. Not entirely bad because we dwell in the domain of after-effects and we can 'create' more of such for our daily lives. Half truths can be outright lies however.

Do you know what veridical perception is during NDE and how it's confirmed?


It won't make sense to share a link about something you may not understand.

Go through the below

https://neuroskoki.pl/en/awareness-during-resuscitation-results-of-the-study/

I did, I was surprised to find that the research depends 90% on the experiences of people (see screenshot). People where made to identify pictures and events while outside their bodies. I recall you faulted this scientific method. How people come from no where and identify the ECK Masters like even me.

All the while, I was thinking AWARE2 'gets inside the head' of the Subjects with some special device, probe and send brain wave or activity scans as 2D images or frequencies.

Veridical perception lastly dismisses hallucinations", further on what I said earlier. It is a big mistake arising from too much romance with half knowledge and half truths which are lies mostly. If anything, hallucinations stretches the human sensoria to extents where further realities are observed comfortably or uncomfortably. Thanks

triplechoice:
But you have not been able to show how it's not based on a set of beliefs.

For instance, how is it not a belief that the living Eck master is God's only true representative on earth?
As for AWARE 11 , please stop mentioning anything about it because you have shown that you have no knowledge about what they're doing. They have no means to confirm or see what people experience subjectively, but have devise a means to verify what people report during NDE.

Go and read the report first before passing judgement. What you continue to say about AWARE 11 is completely off the mark and it's annoying you keep repeating it with the confidence of someone who's abreast with what is being done

I can bet you $1 that whatever the report, all you're getting is 2D data as "confirmation". Since you know about the report, kindly summarize here. It will be nothing to go home with.

Brain effect of OBE experiences can be perfectly replicated with some of the fantastic drugs and herbs out there if you don't know. Alpha, Delta and theta states of the brain are just what the scanners wil be able to capture. Nothing more.

If you employ advanced means like Soul Travel however, you get the main thing like the scientist I told you of earlier whose report you're not getting online. So for science to properly investigate mere Supra physical event, they need better machines than 2D-reporting ones.

triplechoice:
I missed the above

Personal stories without proper verification is not evidence in the natural sciences, please.

What was the method used in verifying the stories you have been sharing? It's not enough to say because people report the same thing, then that's the evidence.

You will recall you used the AWAKE 2 as reference for a confirmation or verification of people having NDEs, and I reminded you that the AWAKE 2 if it merely focuses on the MRI image scans (I called it "brain dance images" and "brain postures" earlier) of people's brains, still does not pass a confirmation of anything EXCEPT if scientist are able to view in real-time the experience of the OBE subjects.

My point is:

1: Monks have been scanned when they are in high meditative state. The scans showed unbelievable brain activity. I suppose they'll be similar to those in AWAKE 2. Exception of course if AWAKE gives us video feedback of what the OBEd guy sees, smells, and feels.

2: If you would accept 2d images (MRI reports) as confirmation of a more grander occasion and experience, fine. Know however that in the case of similar scientific study and discipline like 'Past Life Regression', the experience of the subjects is the primary data for confirmation. Brain scan images are not used.

3: So personal experience even in Law is admissible if logical enough.

The only missing thing here is for scientists to develop interest to decide to converge and focus on the reports of Eckists on the Eck Masters.

What's the percentage of people who have reported the same thing as against the general population?

Hundreds of thousands if not millions infact. In your romance with Eckankar, you must have come across how they often do not always market a religion or point people to any immediately. Also how these masters work with groups in diverse fields of study if it suits their mission. Rebazar Tarz and a particular Master not mentioned at all in the Eckankar literature is said to romance Hollywood resulting in movies that stretch the consciousness of man.

You have them Agriculture, Tech especially, Medicine and, Mysticism and so in. If you must know, Nigerians are part of what we call Eck Masters too.

What's the cause of the experience?

Many:

1: Past Life relationships
2: Soul's readiness for Truth
3: Love
4: Divine Intervention

You said Eckankar is equal to the natural sciences such as physics chemistry and biology.

Natural sciences rely more on experimental data to prove its claims and not experiential data.

I must have made an understatement if at all I ever equated Eckankar with Natural sciences. Based on your antecedence l, what I can tell you is that what we call Natural sciences today are elementary mysticism or religion in advanced climes.

Science is even admitting to this--"The best of technology being equal or indistinguishable to magic"

Since you haven't been able to provide any such data, it then means Eckankar is not what you want us to believe it's.

I will let you have whatever arises from this assertion.

Eckankar however is not a belief path.

Anyone who believes anything from Eckankar without making effort to confirm is suffering from Social engineering of religion. Eckankar is not made for that.

These posts as you have been told are to inspire the spirit of adventure and exploration for one to know that perhaps, there may be more to the boundaries of religion.

"The dream state never lies about one's true feelings.

The mind's censor will scramble the truth, so the blunt message of truth won't shock or shame the individual in the waking state, but it can't obliterate truth entirely.

Once you can decipher the censor's scramblings, you'll be able to find the answers to any problems in your life.

"Do you recall the old tale of the emperor's new clothes? Briefly, some con men sold the emperor on the idea that he was wearing the finest suit of clothes—which in fact was nothing at all.

News spread throughout the kingdom that the emperor was going to parade himself to his people, so that they might see his magnificent new clothes.

When the emperor came out for the parade wearing nothing, the crowd was perplexed.

Cont'd

"Quite simply, it taught the acceptance of the random awareness while asleep, so that one may learn to gain freedom in any situation while in the dream state.

Once this is accomplished, it can easily be carried over to the waking state. One reason it is easier to accomplish this random state in dreams is that logic is absent and the conscious mind can be bypassed in order to attain freedom.

In the waking state, the logical aspect of the mind becomes a hindrance—always telling the consciousness that it can or can't do this or that. In the dream state, the rules are more flexible."

Gopal Das looked at me with a side glance and immediately saw that I wasn't comprehending all that he was saying. We walked for a few moments in silence as he stroked his chin with his right hand. Shortly, he began again.

Cont'd.

As he spoke, we came to a smaller room that was lit like the other rooms of the temple.

In a small alcove was a book stand with a thick volume opened to the middle. As we approached the book, I could feel my head becoming lighter from the strong energy radiating from the book.

Gopal Das spoke again. "I was responsible for the writing of an Egyptian book of dreams for the pharaoh of the dynasty in which I served while on earth. It is a compilation of dream knowledge gathered from the continent of Mu.

Pharaoh wanted the knowledge in order to know his future for material reasons. But instead, the ECK was given a chance to bring this vehicle of freedom to earth so that man might know the basic steps of Soul Travel through the dream state.

Cont'd.

"Freedom is finding existence outside of limitations. It is at this point that creation becomes one with beingness.

The need to assert oneself through creation ceases, because in true beingness, one is pure cause. One sees life in pure randomity by direct perception through the eyes of Soul.

When you visit new states of consciousness through Soul Travel, you're creating a new state of awareness within your own state of consciousness in order to accept the new things you experience.

The conditions you experience are not as important as the new consciousness you create, for once you are able to consciously create the conditions for the new awareness to come into your life, you will always be able to attain freedom, no matter how restricting the outer conditions. Look here!"

Cont'd

Gopal Das became silent for a moment as we turned one of the corners of the temple.

The three of us walked across the highly polished floor, and it occurred to me that I hadn't heard any of our footsteps echoing in the cavernous depths of the wide corridors.

I looked to Wah Z at my side, noting his quiet stride. Then Gopal began to speak again.

"There is but one way to attain true freedom in life—through Soul Travel. And many times the first steps are taken in the dream state, here in Askleposis."

Though Gopal Das's words and demeanor were soft, his message carried strength and conviction.

Cont'd.

"They come here, because this is the one place their unfulfilled dreams can have some reality.

What man wants most in life is freedom. And if this is denied in his waking state, he'll fulfill it on the Astral Plane while he's asleep. The next question, then of course, is, what is freedom?"

As we strolled down a corridor, I caught a glimpse of one long, great hall—larger than any of the others in the building. At its end was a glowing light coming from a book stand; I guessed a thick volume of the Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad was resting on it.

Gopal Das continued, "The essence of freedom is expression, and freedom is measured by the degree that one is able to express oneself.

In the lower worlds, there are numerous limiting factors to this freedom. Society is nothing but a set of limiting rules.

So we find that the common man is becoming bullied by outer conditions more each day, and in his desperation, he finds that the only way to have any semblance of freedom is to create—to cause effects.

Then we get into the matter of setting policies, the science and application of power, in order to assert these creative actions.

Multiply this by the number of Souls on earth at any given time, and you can see why there is so much struggle, war, and interference with one another's space."

Cont'd

I looked at Wah Z, who gestured that it was up to me.

"Sure! I'd love to, if you have the time," I said, trying not to be too much of an inconvenience.

Gopal Das laughed, "That's what we're here for. Come this way."

As we walked through the shining, polished halls of the great temple, Gopal Das pointed out some paintings and tapestries that lined the walls and then started talking about things other than the building.

"You know, on the Astral Plane, we get a lot of seekers—seekers of freedom," he said while pointing to a giant wall hanging to his left.

Cont'd

Wah Z smiled, clasping Gopal Das's hands in his own. They seemed to know one another quite well.

"Yes. This is one of my chelas. I believe he'd like to talk with you about some matters concerning his life on earth," Wah Z said.

I squirmed a little at the thought, but it was true. Somehow, you couldn't seem to hide the truth from the Mahanta, even in the dream state.

"Well, there have been some things bothering me . . . but I don't think it's anything too important . . . ," I stammered nervously.

Gopal Das and Wah Z just looked at me and smiled in a knowing way.

"OK," Gopal Das said cheerfully. "Would you like to see some of *Askleposis?"

*Askleposis is a learning center in the capital city of the first heaven (AKA astral plane)

Cont'd

Immediately, without words, we moved toward the center of the city where a large building stood amidst a green-hedged garden.

High domes loomed above tall columns on a foundation of light red or pink stone. We rose up the great staircase and entered the temple.

There was a glowing light, as I had seen in other Golden Wisdom Temples, that illuminated the interior. The highly polished floors reflected the candles that also added to the light.

There was a hush to the place, like it was frozen in time, in the dim past. I felt as if I had entered eternity itself.

Soon, a tall figure in a light blue robe strode toward us. As he came closer, I recognized him from the descriptions in Paul Twitchell's books as Gopal Das—the shoulder-length blond hair, the light blue eyes, round face, and fair features.

"Welcome!" he said to Wah Z and myself. "May I help you in any manner?"

Cont'd

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Awakening
By Phil Morimitsu

I had been wrestling with a problem at work for a week, to no avail. Somehow, I felt trapped in my job, and feelings of frustration and anger kept me from thinking clearly about not only this matter, but about anything in general. Tired of trying to come up with an intelligent solution, I decided to retire for the night.

I slept fitfully, not really sure if I was dreaming or if I was awake, just thinking I was asleep. After what seemed like hours, the deep blackness of sleep overcame my clinging to the waking state.

The scenery changed into a sparkling city of lights and color. The instant I arrived, I was aware of the presence of the Mahanta, Wah Z*, standing near me. He waited for me to take notice of him before he spoke.

"Hello," he said in a melodious voice.

Cont'd

Demon centers abound in the name of Christ

Never Patronize voodoo young man.
I am not saying he did.

My experience with Brando helped me keep going. His presence made me aware that a higher truth awaited me.

A year and a half later, someone suggested I investigate Eckankar. I read some of the books and was about to begin study when I decided to go to the local Eckankar center for an introductory lecture.

Once there, I noticed the line drawings of several ECK Masters on the wall. I broke into a cold sweat as I recognized one of the drawings as Brando. I had found the answer to a two-year-old question. His name is Gopal Das—the great ECK Master who lived in Egypt in 3000 B.C.

I asked this man if I could call him Brando; he smiled and said that would be fine. I felt he was my friend.

After a couple of months, Brando left. His presence had been a constant reminder to me that there was far more to truth than what Daniel and Jane had been teaching me. By the time he left, I knew that my time of studying with Daniel was over.

Daniel was reluctant to let me go, and a battle ensued on the psychic planes. These people were my only friends; leaving their sphere meant giving up everything I knew. But through a year of inner struggle with Daniel, I learned that even a black magician had no power over me if I didn't surrender myself. I learned the lesson of self-responsibility.


Cont'd.

I saw a boy and a girl standing at the base of a pyramid. It seemed as if they were at an altar, and a man was standing over them. The man had flowing blond hair and a solid, strong face.

Describing him later, I said that he looked like Marlon Brando in the movie Superman. I could tell that he was a great man.

Jane was very curious about this man. She continued to feel his presence around her house. We decided to ask the man who he was. When we asked him, "What is your name?'' there was no reply.

"Why are you here?'' we then asked. "I'm here for Steve,'' he said. "I have something for him, but he is not ready yet.'' He paused a moment and spoke again, "He will be.''

Cont'd

Brando
By S. N.

Source: https://eckankar-hu.org/Masters/Gopal/Story02.html


In 1983, I moved away from home for the first time, leaving south Texas for a city in the Midwest. There, I embarked on a search for truth. I accepted an invitation from a man named Daniel to study with a spiritual group.

As the weeks went by, his classes moved from introductory mysticism into magic, and I became a promising student.
I developed a close relationship with a woman in the class named Jane.

It was a relationship originally engineered and observed by Daniel, who was our spiritual master.

Jane and I spent a lot of time together practicing the psychic arts. On one occasion, we were doing a past-life regression, and an experience unfolded for me.

Cont'd